Hi everyone.
This is a really nooby question, but I can't find the answer anywhere.
If I open my internet browser on my phone, it automatically connects to the internet.
When I close my browser, it stays connected.
I have to go in to Comms Manager, switch my phone in to Flight Mode and back to Phone Mode so it switches off.
What if I just left it on?
I believe GPRS is chargable by the amount of data downloaded rather than dial-up-esque paying-for-the-amount-of-time-connected.
If I left it connected, would I be charged for it despite being idle?
I am on Orange UK Dolphin contract.
no unless they charge for the "keepalive" comm to the isp
various isp's could have various takes on that
yes you will be charged if it periodically downloads data like the weather plugin in htc home. You dont state what device you have but you can actually click on the G/E/H symbol next to the radio signal on the today screen and click on the disconnect button(if it is enabled). If you havent got a disconnect button . Download and try schaps advanced config v2 and try that if that doesnt work download tweak2k2 net that has the option to switch the button option for you
I called Orange. They don't have the 'keep alive' charge. She said that it really doesn't matter, so long as nothing gets downloaded to my device then I won't get charged for it.
Weather updates and email etc. is all set to manual.
But, none-the-less I will be looking into the programs noted by Martin.
Thank you both.
P.S. I have a Hermes. I should probably put that in my signature.
Holding the end call button for a few seconds will switch it off.
jez83uk said:
Holding the end call button for a few seconds will switch it off.
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I know I'm a bit late. I thought this thread would be dead and buried now, but I wanted to say thank you. This is the exact bit of info I was looking for.
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Hi, I know this topic has been covered many times, but I here's my issue.
I have phoneAlarm running on my Trinity and set phoneAlarm to cut my data connection after 1min of data inactivity and it all works fine. I can browse the web, check emails using the WM5 inbuilt email application. After 1 min of data inactivity, my connection is cut, brilliant, works like a treat.
However, once the device is asleep, and my email application polls, the data connection remains connected (if there are no emails, it won't wake up) and I have to switch on again and either let it disconnect when awake, or manually disconnect it.
The funny thing is, its just the email application thats causing this. If I was browsing using PIE and just press the power button whilst it was still connected, it times out and it gets disconnected, and the next time I wake up the device I can see there is no data connection.
it seems like the WM5 email application whilst asleep is either holding on to the connection or some data is being transferred, as I said it doesn't happen if the device is awake.
This really is bugging me, as the whole point of setting up "Auto disconnect" is so I can leave it and trust it to only connect when need be. Currently, if I don't use the phone and don't receive any emails, my GPRS connection is on all the time whilst the phone is asleep.
I have tried other programs, but generally, all of these applications perform the same registry tweak.
Sorry for long post.
I did a program (ConnectionManager) that wakes up the pda to Idle state (screen off, no sound and cpu to minimum level) each 3 minutes and check the states of connections. If there isnt traffic in 2 minutes the connection is closed.
Hi,
Interesting. Do you have a link to that program? Tried to find it in the forum by searching for "ConnectionManager" and found nothing.
So when the device is in idle state, min CPU, screen off etc, there's no problem in accepting calls etc?
I was reading a thread regarding the other program you wrote that switches bands, was interested in that too.
Thanks for your help.
Don't worry, I've found it, and it WORKS. You're a star!!!
exactly what I was looking for. It did come across it before, but for some reason I thought you didn't check for data flows and close the connection full stop. Obviously i mis read
I've downloaded WM5 SDK, but didn't really know where to start, I am a developer, but don't know anything about the WM5 APIs. Cheeky question, but is it possible to let me have the source code?
I would love to enhance something like this, would love it to be a today plug in and let you enable it without opening a new form. Settings about how long before checking. Not sure how easy it would be.
Just a comment really, not sure if its just my device (Trinity) but the Close Program button seems to be out of shape, i.e. larger than the other 3 and goes right to the edge of the screen.
Oh, one more question, do you think having the device on idle will have much impact on battery life. Once the device is in idle, does it suspend again, or does it keep it in idle until you switch it on again?
Thanks again!
Hi, another thing. Having tried this program out for a little while now, it seems to not let the device time out into suspend state. For me, it seems to just lower the brightness of the screen. The program still works, but it won't let the device suspend automatically, i thought it would switch it to idle, and turn of the screen.
Once the machine is suspended manually by pressing the power button, then its fine. Do you have this issue?
Still works like a treat though, and better than anything I had before!
Thanks again!
Sorry, my mistake. It all works fine!
Hi. I was going to do other release (the user can modify connections check, etc) but i will post the source code, sure (but the source code is in my laptop). tomorrow i will post it.....
Greetings
hongsit said:
Don't worry, I've found it, and it WORKS. You're a star!!!
exactly what I was looking for. It did come across it before, but for some reason I thought you didn't check for data flows and close the connection full stop. Obviously i mis read
I've downloaded WM5 SDK, but didn't really know where to start, I am a developer, but don't know anything about the WM5 APIs. Cheeky question, but is it possible to let me have the source code?
I would love to enhance something like this, would love it to be a today plug in and let you enable it without opening a new form. Settings about how long before checking. Not sure how easy it would be.
Just a comment really, not sure if its just my device (Trinity) but the Close Program button seems to be out of shape, i.e. larger than the other 3 and goes right to the edge of the screen.
Oh, one more question, do you think having the device on idle will have much impact on battery life. Once the device is in idle, does it suspend again, or does it keep it in idle until you switch it on again?
Thanks again!
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Idle is a state with minimum impact...but is bigger than suspended. When the device wakes up to idle state it is suspended again after a few seconds if the cpu isnt used too much. When the device is woke up by a app notification (Its our case) the system suspends very quickly. In my tests (using log method) the program does its stuff (1 seconds) and 10 seconds later the system is suspended again...
I ve used Visual Studio 2005 and the program was wrote using C (not MFC)...
Hi Daniel
Where can I download this app ?
Thanks and regards
Martin
I am curious if you gprs comes on for your push mail, can you still make outgoing call and also send text messages?. I have this issue for my atom exec and it's annoying me. Thanks
hongsit said:
Hi, I know this topic has been covered many times, but I here's my issue.
I have phoneAlarm running on my Trinity and set phoneAlarm to cut my data connection after 1min of data inactivity and it all works fine. I can browse the web, check emails using the WM5 inbuilt email application. After 1 min of data inactivity, my connection is cut, brilliant, works like a treat.
However, once the device is asleep, and my email application polls, the data connection remains connected (if there are no emails, it won't wake up) and I have to switch on again and either let it disconnect when awake, or manually disconnect it.
The funny thing is, its just the email application thats causing this. If I was browsing using PIE and just press the power button whilst it was still connected, it times out and it gets disconnected, and the next time I wake up the device I can see there is no data connection.
it seems like the WM5 email application whilst asleep is either holding on to the connection or some data is being transferred, as I said it doesn't happen if the device is awake.
This really is bugging me, as the whole point of setting up "Auto disconnect" is so I can leave it and trust it to only connect when need be. Currently, if I don't use the phone and don't receive any emails, my GPRS connection is on all the time whilst the phone is asleep.
I have tried other programs, but generally, all of these applications perform the same registry tweak.
Sorry for long post.
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where can I find this piece of software?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34693&d=1172683590
Hi
I just got my first htc phone today the touch diamond it all seems very nice so far im sure i'll figure it all out soon i tried out the wi-fi but now not sure how to turn it off, it keeps popping up with new notifications of the connections available could anyone advise how to turn it off, many thanks
another question as well the 3g sign at the top just means its available doesnt it? i browsed the web briefly to see what it was like i dont want to be charged for on the net as my unlimited web browsing doesnt start for a couple of weeks, i guess when you exit the page your exited out of the internet, is that correct? many thanks
best to have a good play around with the device to learn all of what she has to offer tap start, settings connections tab then wifi then menu "turn off wifi" - press and hold the hang up button you will be provided with the option "terminate data connection".
have a look in the diamond thread lots to read and learn also check out the wiki also
hope this helps
When I leave the house, I usually turn off Wifi. Then, the phone turns on Data Connections. I have no data plan. How do I shut it up for good?
Secondly, if I turn my phone to sleep mode with that bop on the top of it's head, will it look for Wifi signals? Or does it shut that off too? I'll just leave it on Wifi the whole time if thats the case I guess.
Thanks.
Install Advance Config 3.3 if you haven't already. There's a section for Connections where you can disable all data connections. This way the phone will not try to connect through any of the data connections.
There's also an option in there for wireless.
keeping your wifi on all the time will drain your battery fast!
my suggestion is if you dont have a data plan is go to start-settings-connections, connections. advanced on the bottom then select networks. There you have 2 drop down boxes, set each to "My Work Network" then click edit on one of them and make sure in the modem tab that its empty (nothing there). Your device should now stop attempting to establish a data connection.
Perhaps you are running some software,that forces internet connection. Are you sure you have disabled all of them(maybe auto-update of weather,RSS,etc...)?
Auto-update of weather will do that? Man thats dumb. I'll turn it off but once I am smart enough I'm going to install that commander program. But right now I am too scared to even plug the USB in to my computer.
Anyone care to help me over GMail chat or something?
this thread and this thread should be merged because they're dealing with the same thing.
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Auto-update of weather will do that? Man thats dumb. I'll turn it off but once I am smart enough I'm going to install that commander program. But right now I am too scared to even plug the USB in to my computer.
Anyone care to help me over GMail chat or something?
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I am using SBSH PocketWeather and I have options there to Enable autoupdate and Force connection(when the connection is deactivated,it activates it). This is very dangerous while roaming,espc.here in EU.
Hi,
I have been experiencing major problems with my email checking. Most of the time it doesnt follow the schedule I have set up and if it does, it never disconnects the data connection.
I had tried everything, changing the battery and ac resume from suspend time to every option, setting the auto disconnect after x time feature in advance config and whatever I did I could not get a reliable solution......
Until now.
Its a bit long winded but it works, I have been testing for the last couple of days.
What I have done is
1. Install SKSchema (You do need to buy this software but it is well worth it) http://www.s-k-tools.com/index.html?m_downloads.html#sc
2. Install rk-OSR (Thank you tytnguy) http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=54284&d=1192440286
3.Install Advance Config (Thank you schaps) http://www.touc...anced-configuration-tool-33-cab-install.html
4. In advance config, under power management, set battery resume and ac resume from standby to 90 seconds, save and soft reset.
5. In SKSchema, go to settings and turn watch mode on. Then go to tools, press watch and then new. Under 'watch for', select 'any connection', under 'any connection' select 'connected', under 'execute', select 'device' and 'screen on'. Under 'with parameters' where it says #p() in betwen the brackets put in the name of your internet connection that is used to get your email for example mine is contract internet so it looks like #p(contract internet). Press OK.
6. Still in SKSchema go to tools again, press watch then new. Under watch for, select 'any connection', under 'any connection' select 'disconnected', under 'execute' slect 'device' and 'screen off'. Under 'with parameters' do the same as above and put your internet connection in between the brackets. Press OK.
7.Open up rk-OSR. Under 'accounts' make sure outlook email accounts and the email accounts you want to check are selected then tick the enable box.
Under schedules, add the scheduled times you want.
Under 'outlook', tick auto close outlook
The wait time to sync is the time it takes to check your accounts so select a time you think it will take to carry out these tasks. I have mine set to 20 seconds, you may want longer if you are checking multiple accounts.
Under 'internet' I have mine set to default connection which uses 3G/GPRS but you can set it to use wifi if you are in a available network. It will turn the wifi on, sync and then turn it off. If you select the option to use wifi or default this will look for wifi and if it cant connect will use 3G/GPRS.
Make sure you tick the switch off GPRS/3G box. This turns teh data connection off after sync.
The connection wait time is set to 20 secs
Under 'options' sync only if device is sleeping means that if you are say using tomtom, it wont sync whilst its doing this. I have this un selected.
Silent sync means it wont wake up the device. I have this selected
Notify of unread emails does exactly that as does notify failure to connect. I dont have wither of these selected.
Sleep device after sync i have ticked.
Press save and then ok
8. In the device sounds and notification settings under new email message, make sure you dont have the show message on screen ticked other wise the application wont close properly if you get a message.
Thats it, you are done.
Basically the reason for the SKSchema part is that when my device ws locked and in standby, the email sync would happen but it would get stuck on the messaging app and not go back to the today screen. The scripts basically turns the screen on when it has connected to the internet and then off when it is disconnected allowing the app to close properly.
I know it is a bit long winded but it is the only thing i have found that works flawlessly.
I hope it helps someone else.
I just realised how long this post is so i am sorry.
Matt
thankyou very much for thisssssssss
yea I hate my data connection staying open, but this seems a little much. I wonder if someone could make a little app that basically does what all these do for the fix to work. or maybe MS should just fix it.
You could just use DiamondTweaks and enable "DisconnectAfter" it will disconnect your internet connection after the specified time of no activity.
Hmmm... the diamondtweak is in fact an Option but the Problem with this method is, that the Connection wont disconnect while in Standby, because (i think) the Tweak isnt active during sleep mode (just like any other app/method). You will recognize that when you establish a connection, go to sleep mode immediately and wake up the phone after lets say 20 minutes. The Connection-Bubble will tell you, that the data connection has been active during the whole sleep-time...
So still no solution here apart from the quiet complicated one in the first post, huh...? (Thanks anyway
rk-OSR works for me
i had the same problem when auto syncing my hotmail account. i downloaded every auto disconnect program i could find and it worked most of the time.
it was mainly when i auto synced hotmail that the data connection would just stay open. however when i auto synced my google mail account it would close, whether it was in sleep mode or not.
so after searching for more solutions i came across this thread. i didnt follow all the instructions. i just downloaded the rk-OSR program and set my schedule and other preferences.
now the syncing of both my accounrs happens automatically through this program and my data disconnects as it should.
Disable all data connections
I had a huge problem with a few applications auto starting a data connection in my pocket and never shutting off. I wouldn't have a problem with it if I pay for unlimited data(which I don't). My solution to this was going into the connections settings and change the "select which networks are automatically used" to "my ISP" which I never set one up. This way, anytime it tries to connect using data from the cell provider, it pops up an error message and yea, no pocket data transmitions. I guess you could set up a false "my ISP" if you have already set up one.
There is an option somewhere in WM6.5 to turn off data connection when in sleep mode, i enabled it, but now it does not turn the data back on to check email. I spent 3 hours searching through the options to disable this feature and put it back to the default but it appears to be gone or I can no longer find it. Does anyone know where this option is supposed to be hiding so I can confirm if it in fact disappeared?
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There is an option somewhere in WM6.5 to turn off data connection when in sleep mode, i enabled it, but now it does not turn the data back on to check email. I spent 3 hours searching through the options to disable this feature and put it back to the default but it appears to be gone or I can no longer find it. Does anyone know where this option is supposed to be hiding so I can confirm if it in fact disappeared?
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Anyone know which menu has the setting? Been drivign me crazy the last few weeks
Yes, i figured it out and posted the solution here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7920303&highlight=getmp3s#post7920303
I konw a fix called "GPRS-Tweak.cpl" can help you to disconnect the network when you shut down you app which must connnet the network.
I just have a chinese version, unzipped the attachment the copy into the window folder then, you will find it your startmenu>setting>system .
but is a chinese version ,if you want english version you'd better search on google.
sorry for my poor english
Found an easier way:
Settings > phone
then go to one of the last 'tabs' and the option to turn on/off GPRS etc when in standby is there...
Basically, im trying to find a program which will turn off
any data connections you have.
If there is, Id assign it to the send key (press & hold)
This would remove the need to open up the comms
manager then click "data connection"
Hope there is, it would make life a lot easier for me
and everyone else who uses mobile internet a lot
but doesnt want to murder their battery.
I use the internet a lot because of being on contract
and have unlimited internet usage, but if I left it connected
all the time, my Touch Pro 2 would probably only last
about a few hours. Im constantly having to open up
the communication manager and turn off my data connection
that way.
alternatively, do any programmers know how to turn off the data connection through coding? I know a bit of Visual basic and would happily make my own program for this, I just cant seem to find out how to turn it off.
Does holding the end-call button for a few seconds work? It has done on all htc models I have tried
now i feel really stupid
I knew that, I simply hadnt set it up to.
It was set to lock the phone whenever I held the end key,
so I just put it out of my mind. lol
thanks
youve made my life a lot easier
Ive now bound the Notes app to the green key ;D
Isnt it just sweet when theres a simple answer
Ill change your title to solved and close the thread