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I am wondering what voltage the Xda car adaptor runs at?
I have a couple of Nokia car adaptors here that run at 7volts, even thought the mains adaptor runs at 5volts.
Is 7 volts going to fry my Xda II ??? :?:
I have a 3rd party combination unit. It has a USB sync-charge cable but also has a mains power adapter and a car accessory socket adapter both with a socket to accept the USB end off the sync-charge cable. So you can charge the XDA II by mains power, car, or USB port on PC.
Anyway, my point is the output voltage of the mains and car accessory socket are both 5.8v
Will 7v fry your XDA ii? I don't know but the cost of a compatible car charger or a 3rd part unit like mine is a lot less than the cost of a replacement XDA II
Ed
On my AC Adapter, it says the output is 5V and 2A.
I'd stay away from 7V, it's nearly 50% more than it wants.
Blaze_au said:
I am wondering what voltage the Xda car adaptor runs at?
I have a couple of Nokia car adaptors here that run at 7volts, even thought the mains adaptor runs at 5volts.
Is 7 volts going to fry my Xda II ??? :?:
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I am really interetsed to know what the 12volt car adaptors run at. If someone has one can they put a meter on it and let me know.
As I said above, the nokia AC adaptors are rated at 5volt, but the car charger gives out 7volts and the nokias seem to survive ok.
I'm not keen to plug my XDA in until I get a reading on the car charger's output..
I don't have a car charger, but I can't imagine any reason why it's output would be any different than the ac charger.
if one are going to measure the volts out of an car chager then it's best to measure it while it's charging a device since volts when there are no amps being drawn are often higher then when the amps are being drawn
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the correct answer is min 4.8 - max 4.9 volts 2A :lol:
I've often used the same USB to Mini USB cable for multiple devices (after all it's only a wire). For example, the one in my laptop bag came with my old mobile, but I use it for my digicam and mp3 player also, and the one in my bed room on top of a pile of CDs/DVDs came with my mp3 player, but I also use that with my mobile, etc... you get the picture!
Anyway, it's just a universal lead (or so I hope!), and whatever mobile I use it with it charges the mobile no problems, so this suggests USB ports are a fixed power supply which is universal for devices that can be charged from them.
My question is, have all devices that support charging via USB been produced with the same power requirements, allowing their AC adapters to be interchanged?
usb is 5volt
the issue could be that depending on how the device handled changing
1 device could be charged by a range of volts
so it's ac adaptor could use 10volts and still work when using with usb's 5volts
but another device would die from having 10volts
you gotta read the ac charger really if it's 5volts or close it should work with all
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usb is 5volt
the issue could be that depending on how the device handled changing
1 device could be charged by a range of volts
so it's ac adaptor could use 10volts and still work when using with usb's 5volts
but another device would die from having 10volts
you gotta read the ac charger really if it's 5volts or close it should work with all
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Ah ok.
With my PDA I have an adapter with a USB socket in it which plugs into my car cigarette lighter socket, which then allows you to use a USB cable to charge the PDA.
I always forget to look at the voltage when I'm in the car
But it would be great if I could use the same adapter for my mobile.
Hi!
Has anybody tried Gembird universal charger with Diamond ?
http://www.gmb-online.nl/eGMB/item_view.aspx?id=3315
Is the current of 500 mA enough for Diamond ?
i think you will find the output current too low to actually charge the Diamond.
The official HTC Car Charger has 2A output, the one you are looking at is 500mA...
mugglesquop said:
i think you will find the output current too low to actually charge the Diamond.
The official HTC Car Charger has 2A output, the one you are looking at is 500mA...
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Thank you!
That is what I thought, the current is too low...
charger
i have charger to my car with output 5.4v.
in the diamond book it is 5v.
both of them is 1A.
can i use it?
ami
500mA wont charge the Diamond -it wont even light it up!
Not very funny when you find that the 500mA car charger you used for years with no problem on other phones, wont charge your Diamond, and you end up lost, with no GPS and no phone - just a dead battery in the middle of the bloody countryside at night.
Take my word for it
PaulusUK said:
500mA wont charge the Diamond -it wont even light it up!
Not very funny when you find that the 500mA car charger you used for years with no problem on other phones, wont charge your Diamond, and you end up lost, with no GPS and no phone - just a dead battery in the middle of the bloody countryside at night.
Take my word for it
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500mAh will charge your phone, but under heavy use you may not get much of a charge. Your computer's usb ports will deliver up to 500mAh and will charge your phone.
I have two car chargers which output 1Ah. They work fine. I found one in the game accessories for the Nintendo DS.
ami12345 said:
i have charger to my car with output 5.4v.
in the diamond book it is 5v.
both of them is 1A.
can i use it?
ami
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Yes, you can use it. But the question is, "Should you use it?"
No, you should NOT use it. Current must be of a minimum value to work. Voltage must be a maximum to be safe.
Best not to chance burning out your phone unless you can test the charger output under load.
thank you very much.
i am going to buy new charger.
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500mAh will charge your phone
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I have a 500mA car adapter and mains plug which use a USB lead and non of these will get the phone to charge.
These work perfect with lots of other phones.
I have not tested them to check if they are actually supplying 500mA current, but I see your point about a USB PC port supplying 500mA
I ordered my Nexus One without a charger and was wondering if I could just use my iPhone USB charger with the supplied USB lead?
I'm guessing that's all the charger is right? Just a charger with a USB port or a miniUSB charger?
all nexus one orders come with a charger. They also come with a usb cable, back-slip carrying case, and a headset.
Not when you want it shipped to the UK.
It adds a charger to the basket so I just deleted it
If it is in the box I'm guessing I will still get the US charger and can just use an adaptor to use in the UK..
Actually I have used the apple iphone charger with usb cables to charge a BlackBerry 8900 and a G1. I would guess it would work for this, but its your phone and your money if you burn it out
yeah youll get a US charger then. In any case all USB chargers are the same. if you have any USB charger with a USB port, you can jsut connect your included USB cable to the charger.
Driften said:
Actually I have used the apple iphone charger with usb cables to charge a BlackBerry 8900 and a G1. I would guess it would work for this, but its your phone and your money if you burn it out
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this has micro usb i believe and the charger's you are talking about are all mini-usb. not compatible.
this is not true. the side that connects to the charger itself is still all regular USB. both mini and micro USB cables have the same pinout and electrical output standard.
i know. i'm saying that the end of the cable that plugs into his G1 will NOT FIT into the nexus one because it's MINI USB and the nexus one is MICRO USB.
thats not wat hes asking. hes asking if an iphone wall charger (which simply has a standard USB port on the other end) will work.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh sorry
melterx12 said:
yeah youll get a US charger then. In any case all USB chargers are the same. if you have any USB charger with a USB port, you can jsut connect your included USB cable to the charger.
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i think your wrong with the "all usb chargers are the same"
my usb charger (micro usb) for my bluetooth headset will not charge a cliq, it its the same in appearance, but somehow it is actually different
however, the charging cable i had when i had a cliq charged my bluetooth, but I avoided it because it was obvious the 2 chargers where different.
wootroot said:
i think your wrong with the "all usb chargers are the same"
my usb charger (micro usb) for my bluetooth headset will not charge a cliq, it its the same in appearance, but somehow it is actually different
however, the charging cable i had when i had a cliq charged my bluetooth, but I avoided it because it was obvious the 2 chargers where different.
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correct. Certain chargers have different amp ratings. For example, GPS chargers generally require higher amount of amperage than cell phones, and certainly a lot more than bluetooth headsets
the g1 charger will not work with the nexus one. I have both phones. The behold II charger will work with a nexus one phone. my gf had the behold ii phone.
ShyTownFantasy said:
the g1 charger will not work with the nexus one. I have both phones. The behold II charger will work with a nexus one phone. my gf had the behold ii phone.
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You mean plug-wise it won't work right? Because I just took my USB charger, took a Mini-USB to Micro-USB converter and used the G1 charger to charge the N1 and it works.
I'm not sure about the Nexus One but I know on the N900 you could have the problem of that charger not supporting the Data pins(D+ & D-) to communicate with the device and establish a power draw rate, in which case the charger won't work with the phone. The solution was either clipping the data lines in the USB cable, or shorting out the pins in the charger. I doubt the Nexus will be that picky about chargers though.
Usb Charger
Hi,
I just have ordered mine from US. I am from Europe and i will definitely have the problem with the originally supplied charger.
As i am aware all usb ports works with the same voltage - 5V., only amp rate is different. We just need the output amp rate of the original charger and have to be careful not to exceed it. The smaller amp rates are OK (just the charging time will be more.
For example in the originaly stated data from Google says:
"Power and battery
Removable 1400 mAH battery
Charges at 480mA from USB, at 980mA from supplied charger"
Just one to confirm is the original charger amp rate 980mA as Google stated?
I think you'd better to buy a new mobile phone charger for your nexus one for safety.
Just tested plugging the N1 in directly to computer using a miniusb cable w/ microusb adapter and works perfectly. It detected the phone and did that Mount SD notification. I mounted, transfered couple GB of files w/ no interruptions. Also, it charges it like normal.
Usb standard is 5V, most chargers with usb output should be 5V. The Amp is determined by the Voltage and (electrical)resistantce, check Ohm's law.
However the chargers are probably limited to a certain amperage(max amp output). All chargers I've seen have inscripted input and output values, as long as output values are within usb standards it should be ok.
I have an iphone car charger with usb out. It stays in the car and charges my family's gadgets no mather the manufacturer/type of device, as long as it supports usb charging.
So theoreticaly it should work. To be safe check the output values on the usb charger.
If n1 came with the american charger you can check the output values of that against the iphone charger output values.
Would a simple US 2-pin to UK 3-pin plug adaptor be fine?
The few gadgets I've got with US plugs I would just buy a UK version plug but since you cant just buy these in any shops (yet) will just have to wait and see what they supply first.
Anyone here with the US charger could you post the output values please
It seems the only way to fast charge a N1 is with the supplied wall charger. Standard Micro USB chargers whould only allow at much as 450mA of charge current regardless of the adapter current capacity.
The bundled charger however, manages to push 900mA into the N1. I made a cut in the charger wires and measured the current draw to make sure.
Now.. I'd like my car charger to be able to do the same. There must be some hack in the plug of the N1 charger since there are only 2 conductors from the case to the plug. You can see that the plug is somewhat longer than similar Micro USB plugs..
So I tried to see if one of the 3 unused pins can tell me anything but.. they seem unconnected as far as I could tell. Diode measurement (to test for any digital part inside) also did not produce any results. The next obvious step is to take the molded plug apart but I'd rather not...
Does anyone have any clue as to what makes that plug so special?
And please - I did my tests with a bench power supply - not the car chargers - so don't go around telling me it has to do with charger current capacity.
Thanks,
Nir
are you sure the micro usb cords you are using are able to handle the amps? most chargers made prior to now, only push about 450mA, the G1, and N1 chargers i have push a full amp though. I just ordered a car charger that pushes an amp too. There is nothing "special" about the plug.
followinginsanity said:
are you sure the micro usb cords you are using are able to handle the amps? most chargers made prior to now, only push about 450mA, the G1, and N1 chargers i have push a full amp though. I just ordered a car charger that pushes an amp too. There is nothing "special" about the plug.
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I beg to differ. All the cords can easily supply 1 AMP. It is the phone itself that decides how much to draw from the charger based on something IN THE PLUG.
I am an electronics engineer so do understand I know perfectly what I am talking about
And your 1A car charger does not supply anything over 0.45A to the phone.. you will see that if you are using the phone while it charges (say nav or phone call) the phone actually looses some charge albeit it being charged... This will not happen with the stock wall charger.
I have a 900mAh car charger that I use and it does in fact give 900mAh to the phone while charging. I can tell because I used a 450mAh charger at home before and it was slooow and I could drain my phone while charging it. With the car charger I can stream music with spotify, use the GPS, have the screen on full brightness and the battery % will still go up.
I also bought a new wall charger recently, which is 850mAh on the USB port and has a 350mAh charger for a loose battery as well, works quite nice.
Has anyone measured the voltage or put a scope on the output of the stock charger?
maybe stock charger has a slight variance in voltage over USB chargers or some signalling going on and this tells the N1 to take more current from it?
I would like a solution to this too I've seen my phone discharge while on a supposedly 1A car charger using co-pilot.
SBS_ said:
I have a 900mAh car charger that I use and it does in fact give 900mAh to the phone while charging. I can tell because I used a 450mAh charger at home before and it was slooow and I could drain my phone while charging it. With the car charger I can stream music with spotify, use the GPS, have the screen on full brightness and the battery % will still go up.
I also bought a new wall charger recently, which is 850mAh on the USB port and has a 350mAh charger for a loose battery as well, works quite nice.
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Forget the numbers on the chargers - what counts is what really goes into the phone and that needs to be measured with a current meter (test equipment). What you may think to be fast might not be that.
Original HTC chargers obviously do the trick of fast charging but this comes at a price compared to the $3-$4 garden variety on Ebay and the likes.
now I cannot help you with the electronics at all, but, my old HTC Touch Pro charger seems to charge the same as the one which came with the phone, is this correct?
(suits me if it is, as then I have a charger for home and work)
my blackberry bold 2 charger only says it outputs 700MAh, but both the google and htc chargers both say 1.0A
dnts said:
Forget the numbers on the chargers - what counts is what really goes into the phone and that needs to be measured with a current meter (test equipment). What you may think to be fast might not be that.
Original HTC chargers obviously do the trick of fast charging but this comes at a price compared to the $3-$4 garden variety on Ebay and the likes.
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Yes, it is just anecdotal evidence as I don't have any equipment to measure it. But my phone no longer discharges when I use it while charging, which it used to do with the old charger I used. So while I can say for a fact that the charger I use now is faster, I can't say by how much (this goes for both the car charger and the one I put in the wall socket).
I ordered this charger a few weeks ago and it charges my phone as fast as the original charger. The label says 5v / 1200mA.
Genuine Nokia Mini AC-10U US Type AC Charger (100~240V)
$7,25 and free shipping. (Takes a while before you get it tho.)
GazzaK said:
now I cannot help you with the electronics at all, but, my old HTC Touch Pro charger seems to charge the same as the one which came with the phone, is this correct?
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HTC Touch Pro = mini USB
Nexus One = micro USB
Not an engineering here, but I am guessing the phone not always drawing more than 500ma may be is to do with the charger itself.
There is this "fast charge" USB standard where a wall plug has the USB data pins shorted to indicate that it is a wall plug and hence the phone knows when to draw more power. So even if the charger is rated 1A, the phone might not know if it could utilize that if those pins aren't shorted. Try doing a quick Google on this ....
If someone can test if the stock charger that came with the phone in fact does have those pins shorted that would confirm part of this theory.
For all practical purpose - I used two cables/plugs with a bench adjustable power supply. Simple micro USB plug would only let me draw 450mA regardless of power supply voltage in the range 4.5-5.5V. Tried shorting data pins - nothing. Tried shorting spare pin to VCC or GND or any of the other pins - nothing.
Used original cable and plug - draws 900mA at voltages from 4.9-5.5.
So it's in the plug somehow.
Tried (very difficult) to see if the pins on the plug are shorted and all 3 spares (except for 5V and GND) seems unconnected.
Next step is the irreversible hot knife...
I'm bugged by this, too. I tested with my desktop dock connected to my car charger (which states 1000 mA): it loads slowly and my battery widget reports USB- instead of AC-charger.
Might it be that the phone tries to load more than 1000 mA at the beginning to be sure that it doesn't overload the charger? And if that fails, it falls back to 500 mA?
Could N1 use a simple logic of:
- always watch the voltage
- start drawing 500ma (or whichever is the lowest current as per USB spec)
- increment in say 50ma steps
- if voltage drops below 4.x V, back off and stay at that level
I just did a little test of my own. I have a Palm Pre car charger (actual Palm brand one labeled as 1000ma output) and I plunged my N1 into it on my way home from work. In twenty eight minutes, my battery went from 47% to 70%. Much faster than plugging into my computer, which is 500ma max. I don't have any fancy test equipment, and don't claim to know a whole lot about electronics, but seems pretty fast to me.
I have a 4-port 2A 5v USB charger, and connecting it to my Nexus OR Milestone with a MicroUSB cable (the one that shipped with either phone, or the one from my Kindle) yields painfully slow charging - it basically won't charge if you are using the phone.
Connecting the Nexus One charger yields fast charging on either phone - so it is not HTC (or Motorola) proprietary.
The Milestone comes with a 900mA USB plug, and connecting THAT to either phone with either of the MicroUSB cables yields fast charging.
I have another aftermarket 2 port 2A 5V USB wall charger (brand: T'nB) AND I have an iPhone USB plug, and both give fast charging on the Milestone, and I have not yet tried them on the Nexus One.
Breakdown (on things I've tried):
FAST CHARGING on Nexus One AND Milestone:
Nexus charger (either in the US (110v/60hz) or in France (220v/50hz) through an adaptor)
Milestone wall French USB plug (which I think is something odd like 850mA at 5.9v) with ANY microUSB cable (in fact, it seems to charge both of the phones faster than the stock Nexus One plug)
SLOW CHARGING on Nexus One AND Milestone:
USB plug on computer
One aftermarket 4 port 2A 5V USB charger (NOT a hub, only a charger)
FAST CHARGING on Milestone, untested with Nexus One
T'nB 2 port 5v 2A USB wall charger
Apple iPhone 1 port 1A 5v USB wall adaptor
Seems found the answer for Fast Charging N1
I had just do some test for Charging N1 With Original AC Charger , Other band USB Charger and PC USB charger.
1. Orginal Charger give N1 from 0% to 100% at about 2 hour and something.
2. The other band AC charger and PC USB Charger can only finish the same job over 5 to 6 hours.
The Fast Charging is Due to 5.1V (Measured at N1) and 5.2V(Measured inside AC charger). 0.1V Drop is due to resistance of USB cable.
The Slow charged is due to 4.8V (measured at N1) and 5.0V (measured on PC USB and Other AC Charger)
i.e. Original Charger mod from 5.0 V to 5.2V (about 10% increase in Voltage)
Looks my theory is correct then ? N1 watches the voltage and if it droops too much, it backs off the current.
So the key would be: get a charger than can maintain at least 1A @ 5.2V, use
a decent gauge, short wire from the brick to N1.
Has anyone tried a Blackberry charger on the N1? Will they work to full capacity as well? (They're on Amazon for a fiver)
Because the nokia charger is working
http://pinoutsguide.com/CellularPhones-Nokia/micro_usb_connector_pinout.shtml
see info under table.
I tested also HP charger + standard USB cable delivered with Nexus, and it is charching cca 1A.
Then I tested one noname Carcharger + standard USB cable delivered with Nexus, and also charging cca 1A.
I dismantle the noname carcharger and here is a result:
data line (pin2+3) is shorted and connected do + (pin1 ,Vcc) thrue resistor cca 630kOhm.
1 - 4 = 5.1V
2,3 - 4 = 3.2V
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Looks my theory is correct then ? N1 watches the voltage and if it droops too much, it backs off the current.
So the key would be: get a charger than can maintain at least 1A @ 5.2V, use
a decent gauge, short wire from the brick to N1.
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I try to use power supply 5.2V 2A with cable without dataline (pin 2and3 not connected) and it is charging 480mA only.
I have now tested with an HTC car charger for the HD2. It's fast charging (tested with Waze running, two bluetooth connections and playing mp3 - and it's still loading the battery, whereas before it would be stuck at the current percentage) and even shows AC power instead of USB.