Hi
I currently have a qtek 9100 (wizard) and I'm kinda happy with it. Soon it will have sdhc support and the new wm6.1 rom is much faster, but I still think it's a bit slow.
I now have the option to buy a (almost new) 9000 universal and wanted to know a few things comparing these 2 pda's:
Note: I don't need howto's or guides, I can search for that, I just need a quick answer like "it can be done", "it can easily be done" or "it can't be done".
1- How's the battery? My wizard can hold about 2 days (with the new rom) with minimal calls (about 2 minutes/day) and 3h/day of listening to mp3 and/or viewing videos. (and of course standby the rest of the time). Can the Universal do this too?
2- How's the performance, compared with the wizard? Is it really 2.5 times greater as the clock speed suggests? Can it be over/underclocked as the wizard?
3- How's the app compatibility? I don't mind if it only works with QVGA, as long as it works.
4- SDHC support, is it real? Can I really use a 16Gb card and still be fast?
5- Size/weight, compared to the wizard, is it much bigger? Does it look less like a brick?
6- CID/SIM unlock, is it easy? I still don't know if I'll buy a G3 or G4 pda, is there a difference in unlock?
7- New Rom/new functions support, I'll sure to read that section of the forum carefully before upgrading, but it look like the wizard section is extremely active, is it the same here?
I'll appreciate all help here.
1. Universal can hold on battery 1-1,5 days with your using
2. Universal is much faster than wizard, is has also VGA screen, wich will slow down it's fast processor, but after changing from omap 201mhz to xscale 624mhz you will feel a hudge diffrence, for better of course
3. Most of HTC Apps, like contact manager, task manager, large start menu or htc home dosent work's correctlly. But some people use, for example, using HTC Home on Universal, wich for me is to small. Other apps, specially this commercial one, works normallny (Resco, SPB, SBSH etc.)
4. I'm using 6GB SDHC Card, 16GB should also work
5. Yes, it's much bigger, but you will get bigger 3,6" VGA screen, UMTS support, bigger keyboard.
6. If you can unlock Wizard, you will also can unlock uni. In diffrent way of course, but you will find toturials on XDA
7. Universal dosn't have so many cookers like Wizard, but we have couple of WM 6.1 roms, non of cookers develop working videotelephony on WM 6 rom, you must remember that
I'm selling PDA's, i have acces to all PDA's that are actually on market, but for me Universal beat's them all. It's most functional device I've ever userd (I dont use GPS).
thanks for the quick reply. The major problem I see now is the size, I'll see if I can compare it to my wizard. About the HTC apps, I never use them anyway, so it won't be a problem. Most likely soon I'll join this community and be a happy owner of a universal.
Oh yes I have wizard too!!!!
If you test the Universal you should like, the VGA display, the speed, the fantastic keybard...
You should be hate the size of the Uni (slim brick), you cannot put it in your pocket, no full shutdown, no hard button for vibrator (but vidra switch app exists stable if not in roaming cases), less WM6.1 version than for Wizard
Now I don't use my Wizard because the uni is very more faster and the screen is MEGA beautiful.
The Uni is less ruggest than Wizard, be carrefull.
paulo_andre said:
Hi
I currently have a qtek 9100 (wizard) and I'm kinda happy with it. Soon it will have sdhc support and the new wm6.1 rom is much faster, but I still think it's a bit slow.
I now have the option to buy a (almost new) 9000 universal and wanted to know a few things comparing these 2 pda's:
Note: I don't need howto's or guides, I can search for that, I just need a quick answer like "it can be done", "it can easily be done" or "it can't be done".
1- How's the battery? My wizard can hold about 2 days (with the new rom) with minimal calls (about 2 minutes/day) and 3h/day of listening to mp3 and/or viewing videos. (and of course standby the rest of the time). Can the Universal do this too?
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I think yes, third day with only calls, sms, little bit of wifi --> 59% bat available
paulo_andre said:
2- How's the performance, compared with the wizard? Is it really 2.5 times greater as the clock speed suggests? Can it be over/underclocked as the wizard?
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The Universal is very more powerful (no big latency like wizard) but the screen refresh is slow with TomTom (It's VGA display), It's Ok for me
Standard divx can be displayed without problem and witout special compress (I tested it on 4Gb SDHC).
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3- How's the app compatibility? I don't mind if it only works with QVGA, as long as it works.
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In standard, the Uni works on 192dpi, it's like QVGA display, all QVGA apps works fine. In several cases you are poor display resolution due to the quality of the apps design.
If you use Real VGA for 128dpi or 96 dpi (real 640x480), I use 128dpi because 96 is too small, some applications are not compatible (Wargus, Worms, S2U2,...)
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4- SDHC support, is it real? Can I really use a 16Gb card and still be fast?
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Yes, the 4Gb SDHC is very well support, for 16Gb it depends of the rom version (you can add the driver by yourself) but it works.
With the 4Gb sandisk is fast (I can display divx without problem of speed).
paulo_andre said:
5- Size/weight, compared to the wizard, is it much bigger? Does it look less like a brick?
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Weight no problem, wizard is not very better
The size can be a problem for pocket transport. I have a PDair standard leather case (remove PDA from case to use it). It's OK
Not easy for received call.
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6- CID/SIM unlock, is it easy? I still don't know if I'll buy a G3 or G4 pda, is there a difference in unlock?
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The procedure is more complex than for Wizard, but if you respect it carefully, it works fine (SFR model on Bouygues network for me)
paulo_andre said:
7- New Rom/new functions support, I'll sure to read that section of the forum carefully before upgrading, but it look like the wizard section is extremely active, is it the same here?
I'll appreciate all help here.
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Wizard section in more active but here in the Uni, the same OS builds are available.
If you have money, you can upgrade your Universal with 128mb ram.
Related
I know it's not an HTC device, but this looks like it'll wipe the floor with all of its predecessors!
ASUS P525
Definately want to get it when it comes out, can anybody spot a down-side to it other than miniSD?
T9 will be a god-send. It's only a tiny bit longer than the magician apparantly. The 2MP camera is supposed to be the best on any pda yet.
Take a look http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=5775
Yes, that does look nice. 8)
From my take, if you're someone who uses PDAs/PDAphones as a gadgeteer, like me , and care most about specs over everything, then MAGIC will lead the way:
http://www.advancetc.com/
What I'll be missing is 3G, and a VGA screen....
Spec looks ok but not sure about that navigation button in the middle of the keys. 64mb ram seems a little tight for a new device as well.
Will be interesting to read the reviews when it gets released.
Yeah, I agree with grumble. Sorry m8, but I gotta say, the performance looks a bit worrying
The link provided doesn't mention EDGE or other methods of fast internet over cell network. If they are missing that would be a downside...
I suppose it depends on the user (Re: EDGE).
I'm a music student so more than anything I need a reliable and quick to use calendar (well, diary), an easily accessible and sortable contact list, and ability to send/receive the odd urgent email on the move.
Other than that, I don't really use GPRS except for if I'm stuck in london somewhere and need to use the TFL website to find a route home, but I don't need EDGE for that!
Personally I feel mobile internet is still a bit of an expensive luxury for the average user, only necessary for businessmen. As for performance, I currently have a magician to compare to and I generally run it with 20MB spare for program memory. This is plenty responsive enough. Let's not forget the ASUS has a 416MHz cpu, so it's not really fair to compare the performance based on RAM with a wizard for example.
I text a lot, so numpad is great. Know what you mean about the joystick in the middle but I'm sure I'd get used to it! I also use A2DP so fast CPU is great. And it's quite compact of course.
errm... Joehood, no offense meant here, but if you had noticed, WM5 is actually quite slow compared to previous WMs. Magician, with 64 RAM (or, your 20,) and a 416 processor might actually have the same, if not better, performance than this Asus. Just my two cents... or three :lol:
Ah right, I've never owned a WM5 device so I wasn't really aware. Have had a play with my mate's wizard though and even with the O2 Active software on it, it seemed pretty nippy!
Hi all!
I'm trying to make up my mind on whether or not to get a Touch Cruise...
My current shortlist is:
HTC Touch Cruise
Glofiish X800
(waiting for a VGA-unit with enough RAM & preferably a GPU)
Who can sway my mind in any direction here?
My usage profile is: a couple of SMS'es per day, perhaps a MMS as well. A couple of (short) calls per month(!). Occasional GPS'ing (got a GPS in the car, so don't really need it for that). Some web browsing via WiFi. Watching some videoclips and/or listening (via A2DP) to MP3's in the bus to/from work (about 1 hour in total each day).
Is the Touch Cruise up to this all, both processing-wise and battery-wise?
Eten Glofiish should be the best if you need a VGA in qVGA' size!
Regards,
Carty..
buy Cruise today and a vga model with enough ram tomorrow
The glofish is too slow and 64 Mo ram is poor
;o)
Ziggy
Ziggy95 said:
buy Cruise today and a vga model with enough ram tomorrow
The glofish is too slow and 64 Mo ram is poor
;o)
Ziggy
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Correct! VGA is not that necessary in a device with 2.8" screen.
athanaso77 said:
Correct! VGA is not that necessary in a device with 2.8" screen.
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Is the difference between VGA & QVGA clearly visible:
when watching a videoclip?
when using the UI & programs?
with photo's?
evert said:
Hi all!
My current shortlist is:
HTC Touch Cruise
Glofiish X800
(waiting for a VGA-unit with enough RAM & preferably a GPU)
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My current list is:
HTC Touch Cruise
i-Mate Ultimate 9502
Since 9502 is not on the market yet, and seems not to have official reseller in Europe, target is TC...
Forget Eten untill they change chipset, which currently doesn't support more than 64MB RAM. Or wait...
I mate 9502 is nice but 200g is heavy
Ziggy
I had a similar decision to make. VGA is nice, but it seems that it's only a detail like USB 2.0 (the phone still isn't faster only because it uses USB 2.0). Many people told me, that on 2,8" you can't see a difference between VGA and QVGA. In fact they were concerned, that VGA will cost more CPU Power and as a result, drain the battery more than a QVGA device and make it slowlier.
Maybe the Eten has a better panel (I mean better viewing angles for example). One thing I noticed was that the support of Glofiish should be worse. But thats only what I heard in Germany. Maybe support in your country is better.
vga can give issues when using pocketpc progrms which are not vgaAware plenty of threads about it in universal and other forums
Straputsky said:
I had a similar decision to make. VGA is nice, but it seems that it's only a detail like USB 2.0 (the phone still isn't faster only because it uses USB 2.0). Many people told me, that on 2,8" you can't see a difference between VGA and QVGA.
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Who knows of any site where there are some GOOD comparison photo's of a VGA screen vs. a QVGA screen? Preferably 2 units showing the same thing in VGA vs. QVGA resolution.
I'm having the same problems.
I can't really decide between the:
Polaris
Kaiser
I don't realy care about the VGA display, but a bit more color depth would be nice...
Does anyone have some personal experience whith these two?
evert said:
Who knows of any site where there are some GOOD comparison photo's of a VGA screen vs. a QVGA screen? Preferably 2 units showing the same thing in VGA vs. QVGA resolution.
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click here: http://www.tmdisplay.com/tm_dsp/press/img/VGA_QVGA0.jpg
evert said:
Hi all!
I'm trying to make up my mind on whether or not to get a Touch Cruise...
My current shortlist is:
HTC Touch Cruise
Glofiish X800
(waiting for a VGA-unit with enough RAM & preferably a GPU)
Who can sway my mind in any direction here?
My usage profile is: a couple of SMS'es per day, perhaps a MMS as well. A couple of (short) calls per month(!). Occasional GPS'ing (got a GPS in the car, so don't really need it for that). Some web browsing via WiFi. Watching some videoclips and/or listening (via A2DP) to MP3's in the bus to/from work (about 1 hour in total each day).
Is the Touch Cruise up to this all, both processing-wise and battery-wise?
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To be honest, I've pass by the same reflexions/questions as you. I've finally choose to buy the Cruise and I really don't regret my order. This mobile really impress me. It is the right evolution and a perfect mix between the p3300 and the p3600 + the Touch function. The Touch will allow you to do a lot of things with your fingers.
I've installed a MicroSD card 4Gb (SanDisk). This mean that this mobile support High Capacity card (good point !). The GPS is simply perfect ! Previously I've used a TomTom Go 910 and sincerely I don't regret it.
Well.. I'm a bit an HTC addict but I really think that this Company is currently making the best Windows Mobile machines.
Now about Eten, what I heard is that they are good but not really reliable (some customer complain about problems with the recent machines). Personally I've worked with an Eten G500+ some months ago. Good in GPS but not (really not) so good as the HTC's as phone.
Hope it help.
gnick666 said:
I don't realy care about the VGA display, but a bit more color depth would be nice...
Does anyone have some personal experience with these two?
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I have the Touch Cruise and i know the display of the Kaiser and i have to say that the display of the cruise shows the colors much better than the Kaiser.
But, thats not the question, the cruise is smaller, lighter and has the flush screen, but the Kaiser have a keyboard which is the only positive point for the kaiser
I will sell you my Kaiser?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....39064&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab=Selling
Borizli said:
I have the Touch Cruise and i know the display of the Kaiser and i have to say that the display of the cruise shows the colors much better than the Kaiser.
But, thats not the question, the cruise is smaller, lighter and has the flush screen, but the Kaiser have a keyboard which is the only positive point for the kaiser
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Tnx, I was leaning towards the Polaris anyways...
Considering that the keyboard slide can wearout after sometime...
I have the Hermes, and that's why the Kaiser was an option.
Don't forget that the Kaisers keyboard can turn fragile after some time (that's my fear), the kaiser is also way thicker and heavier than the polaris. And the kaiser will cost € 100,- more than the polaris.
If I were you, I'd go for the polaris. Just like I did
brrrt said:
Don't forget that the Kaisers keyboard can turn fragile after some time (that's my fear), the kaiser is also way thicker and heavier than the polaris. And the kaiser will cost € 100,- more than the polaris.
If I were you, I'd go for the polaris. Just like I did
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There's only a 40€ difference between the Polaris and the Kaiser...
The Polaris is around 630€ and thats the cheaper between the two.
So the money wasn't an aspect, I only wanted some personal oppinions about the two to help me decide
gnick666 said:
There's only a 40€ difference between the Polaris and the Kaiser...
The Polaris is around 630€ and thats the cheaper between the two.
So the money wasn't an aspect, I only wanted some personal oppinions about the two to help me decide
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Personally, I'm a bit skeptic with PDA with keyboard. First because of the mechanic that may have problems with the time. And second because the PDA is more thick.
If you plan to wrote a lot, the keyboard may help. If not, the stylus is okay.
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click here: http://www.tmdisplay.com/tm_dsp/press/img/VGA_QVGA0.jpg
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A perfect example. Thanks!
I will scale them both down to 3" so I have a more accurate comparison
Hi,
Ive decided to go with Wm over UIQ3/S60 due to more software.
Ive never had a ppc, but i expect to do some tinkering in terms of software and maybe custom rom's
Turns out that choosing the os was the easy part.
Im now faced with hardware dilemmas. Sorry if this is long, but i dont want to throw away 400$ or more on a phone that may not meet my expectations
1. The devices i looked at range from 200mhz omap to about 500mhz from various chip makers. How noticeable is the cpu speed if a phone has the same ram?
2. Next is Ram, how important is it to have 128 megs??
3. last is Rom, how useful is this- cant u just dump progs to the expandable memory card. performance wise how diff are progs installed on the rom verses the expandable memory?
phones i am considering are gsm: htc touch, touch cruise, SE x1, asus p527/p750, lg ks20, glofiish x650/x600, toshiba g810, gsmart i3xx?, samsung i780. How crippling is the htc driver problem?
a) i kinda want my phone to have some metal on the case- will it get less scratches?
b) how useful are phones with just direction and 2 buttons-send/end call? how useful is a 9# keypad in real buttons? seems redundant with soft key option
c) Am i better off with the cheaper options to get used to wm rather the go for a more luxury option?
I plan to keep the phone for about 3 years.
also how useful is the wifi versus data plan( i am in Ontario Canada)?
i plan to use it to call long distance in Canada via Voip, as i am around wifi hot spots often.
Thank you to all who give me some input.
I'll chime in where I can:
2. Very important. I find that 64 is not enough and 128 is too much. If they made 96MB RAM it would be perfect. But noone does that I know of. Better to have too much than too little. Battery life will suffer a little (less power used for less memory).
3. It's pretty important. I have 256 MB ROM and after everything I only have 128 free. If you only had 128 to begin with, who knows how much you'd be left with? Some apps need to be installed in ROM and not Storage Card. Get 256 if you can.
b) I never really use any buttons other than on/off and talk/end. I have a hardware button setup for the today screen, which helps me because I use it alot.
Hope that helps!
That clears it up thank you wildcard.
Ths could eliminate some phones from my list.
Could anyone clear up processor speed for me, does it really make a diff given enough ram?
Also out of the phones I mentioned, is there a clear choice that satisfy me- ignoring the phones not yet released( x1, g810)?
Is there an gsm htc touch clone from o2 or whoever that mimics the CDMA version ( 400mhz, 128 ram)?
Don't take this as entirely factual but:
-64mb RAM is good, but I could have used 128mb. Battery life is affected, but I don't know how much.
-CPU probably has some effect, but 400mhz is standard and fine. 200mhz is probably much slower.
-There is no 400mhz/128MB RAM Touch clone for GSM
-Apps run faster from ROM. With only system utilities on my device and with the ROM made spring clean, I could not have more than 32 out of 49MB of free RAM left. 64 is really small, 128 is a minimum if you don't want to count on your card or keep extra fonts/voice commands/media.
-You MUST have Wi-Fi. What kind of sane Canadian would rely on data... probably a filthy rich one! Rogers is about to bring affordable unlimited data soon tho, but they say it will be for "a selected list of phones" which will probably exclude the very phones that need it IMO. iPhone whores...
-If you're not sure about Windows Mobile, try an emulator (found on microsoft website using google) for developers and surf around. It's far from what you can actually do with your device but it helps you see what it's all about.
You might want to try PalmOS if Wi-Fi and web browsing is not a necessity. I changed to WM and would never switch back, but some did the opposite and loved it.
Suggestion:
-TyTN / TyTN II have plenty of buttons+hardware keyboard, great for playing video game ROMs and games in general, but makes the device much thicker. You will love having lots of hardware buttons (one for flashlight, another for calendar then another for...)
-HTC Touch. It must be slower, but if you remove web browsing, heavy customization and the like, it will be a nice pocketable device. It's so damn cute compared to my fat TyTN (which I love). It only lacks more buttons and some power under the hood.
Thanks again.
Rogers has some sort of Rogers Vision Plan that includes data for 7$ still dont know much about it, its all new. I'd rather not pay anything extra LOL.
www.tryphone.com has a preview of palm os, but that doesnt interest me.
I couldnt figure out the windows mobile simulation from microsoft, but i did use a htc briefly in a store.
Anyways from whats been posted:
Avoid 200 mhz
Avoid anything less then 128 ram
Avoid anything less then 256 rom
This basically leaves HTC, Samsung, toshiba, Hp 610 and upcoming expensive X1.
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From what i understand Rom flashing is basically reinstalling WM and bundling less progs with it? Am I correct?
Could any one point me into the direction of more info on ROM flashing?
How hard is it to make a custom Rom from scratch in case I go with a non HTC phone i.e. Samsung/ Eten / Asus .. i gather the other communities dont have it as rich as this one.
Avoid LG KS20 !
Hello andrey08,
There is one thing I can tell : do not buy a LG KS20 !. It is plagued by totally flawed display drivers : many GAPI apps do not work, and most DirectDraw ones do not.
Moreover, LG stripped from the ROM QTV support, so you will not have hardware accelerated video playing.
There is also a problem with the microphone while phoning, which stops functionning while switching between GSM and 3G bands.
Finally, their customer support is even worst than HTC's since they always pretend not being aware of these problems and do not plan to release a new ROM to correct anything when asked (since there is no problem according to them...).
I'm the poor owner of this piece of crap, and can not even resell it since it would be scam (you can't not even rely on it to phone !).
You can search the internet to confirm what I say : european forums are full of messages of angry customers. Our problem is that we can not have class actions in europe as in the US, and it is not an easy task to individually sue vodaphone or LG.
Lastly, concerning HTC recent products : if you read this forum, you will find that recent MSM7xxx HTC products are plagued by a very slow display. Compatibility and applications support seems OK though.
what about screen type
i know VGA is 4 times the display ability of QVGA, however whatsthe draw back of VGA
do all programs run on both VGA/Qvga screens??
whats the issue with video play back??
andrey08 said:
what about screen type
i know VGA is 4 times the display ability of QVGA, however whatsthe draw back of VGA
do all programs run on both VGA/Qvga screens??
whats the issue with video play back??
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I would go for a VGA phone every time, but the advantages are relatively subtle.
Most QVGA programs will work on VGA, either because they are natively supported, or they use pixel-doubling.
You won't notice much of a difference for most of the built-in programs apart from smoother fonts and cleaner icons. This can be hacked using something like realVGA, but I find the icons get too small for practical benefit, although YMMV.
VGA, however, definitely comes into its own when you are web-browsing or using the remote desktop client, because the increased resolution means that you can get a near-desktop experience.
The disadvantage is that VGA displays theoretically sap more battery, although I haven't found this to be a problem in practice. Video playback is also more dependent on what hardware you have on the device and whether there is any acceleration.
ZSX said:
I would go for a VGA phone every time, but the advantages are relatively subtle.
Most QVGA programs will work on VGA, either because they are natively supported, or they use pixel-doubling.
You won't notice much of a difference for most of the built-in programs apart from smoother fonts and cleaner icons. This can be hacked using something like realVGA, but I find the icons get too small for practical benefit, although YMMV.
VGA, however, definitely comes into its own when you are web-browsing or using the remote desktop client, because the increased resolution means that you can get a near-desktop experience.
The disadvantage is that VGA displays theoretically sap more battery, although I haven't found this to be a problem in practice. Video playback is also more dependent on what hardware you have on the device and whether there is any acceleration.
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Also make sure you read my (W)VGA-related articles & reviews - from MWC, I've posted a LOT on the brand new / forthcoming VGA devices (for example, the i-mate 9502, the x7510 etc)
andrey08 said:
Hi,
Ive decided to go with Wm over UIQ3/S60 due to more software.
Ive never had a ppc, but i expect to do some tinkering in terms of software and maybe custom rom's
Turns out that choosing the os was the easy part.
Im now faced with hardware dilemmas. Sorry if this is long, but i dont want to throw away 400$ or more on a phone that may not meet my expectations
1. The devices i looked at range from 200mhz omap to about 500mhz from various chip makers. How noticeable is the cpu speed if a phone has the same ram?
2. Next is Ram, how important is it to have 128 megs??
3. last is Rom, how useful is this- cant u just dump progs to the expandable memory card. performance wise how diff are progs installed on the rom verses the expandable memory?
phones i am considering are gsm: htc touch, touch cruise, SE x1, asus p527/p750, lg ks20, glofiish x650/x600, toshiba g810, gsmart i3xx?, samsung i780. How crippling is the htc driver problem?
a) i kinda want my phone to have some metal on the case- will it get less scratches?
b) how useful are phones with just direction and 2 buttons-send/end call? how useful is a 9# keypad in real buttons? seems redundant with soft key option
c) Am i better off with the cheaper options to get used to wm rather the go for a more luxury option?
I plan to keep the phone for about 3 years.
also how useful is the wifi versus data plan( i am in Ontario Canada)?
i plan to use it to call long distance in Canada via Voip, as i am around wifi hot spots often.
Thank you to all who give me some input.
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I heartily recommend the MWC-based handset reviews I've posted in the last week into this very forum (i-mate, HP, Samsung etc)
Thanks i'll chekc it out.
im considering either an Eten x650 or MWg Atom V
reviews and such look good for both
So my HTC Wizard is getting a little old. And it's poor old CPU isn't standing up to Windows Mobile 6 ROM's very well. And it doesn't support anyhting past EDGE. And I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade. And my sweet BT SouthWing headset sucks on my HTC as soon as I do more than one thing. At the same time, my camera is busted. My girlfriend has a 6 megapixel camera we use for anything important, but I want a decent camera that's always on me.
I think I see a chance to combine some electronics. I'm looking for a beasty WM 6 based PDA. The current PDA I'm most interested in is the HTC Advantage X7510.
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
GSM w / solid band support
3.1 MP camera w / flash
BT 2.0
624 Mhz CPU AND ATI gfx chip (<3 cell phone emulators)
16 gig internal flash for my tunes
detachable keyboard
FULL QWERTY KEYBOARD = WIN
Surprisingly sexy for a powerful PDA with a keyboard
This looks like the best one I've found overall. I've heard that HTC has been pretty lousy on implementing the ATI GFX chips, but as far as I can tell that's only on the TyTn II's. It's a little more than I want to spend on a phone, but if it gets the camera in there too then it's sold.
I'm pretty much sold on this guy, only holdup is the cost. I really haven't seen anything that can compete with it, although I found a lot of new companies today poking about. Anybody know of any brands I should look at, or have anything negative to say about this guy?
fatheadpi said:
So my HTC Wizard is getting a little old. And it's poor old CPU isn't standing up to Windows Mobile 6 ROM's very well. And it doesn't support anyhting past EDGE. And I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade. And my sweet BT SouthWing headset sucks on my HTC as soon as I do more than one thing. At the same time, my camera is busted. My girlfriend has a 6 megapixel camera we use for anything important, but I want a decent camera that's always on me.
I think I see a chance to combine some electronics. I'm looking for a beasty WM 6 based PDA. The current PDA I'm most interested in is the HTC Advantage X7510.
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
GSM w / solid band support
3.1 MP camera w / flash
BT 2.0
624 Mhz CPU AND ATI gfx chip (<3 cell phone emulators)
16 gig internal flash for my tunes
detachable keyboard
FULL QWERTY KEYBOARD = WIN
Surprisingly sexy for a powerful PDA with a keyboard
This looks like the best one I've found overall. I've heard that HTC has been pretty lousy on implementing the ATI GFX chips, but as far as I can tell that's only on the TyTn II's. It's a little more than I want to spend on a phone, but if it gets the camera in there too then it's sold.
I'm pretty much sold on this guy, only holdup is the cost. I really haven't seen anything that can compete with it, although I found a lot of new companies today poking about. Anybody know of any brands I should look at, or have anything negative to say about this guy?
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well if you really want the x7510 then you should buy an x7500 and put ap4 on there. than its like having the best of both worlds plus you get all the buttons that you dont get with the 7510
7510 is a good choice only if you intend to use it notebook style. If you use it tablet style, then 7500 or 7501 are better. 7510 does not have the a few of the hardware buttons that the older models have, and this is extremely limiting for table style users. Many users find it more convenient, more portable, and easier when using it table style.
BTW, 7500 and 7501 are lighter and cheaper too. The only drawback is the microdrive instead of SSD, but not a serious drawback. Capacity itself is not an issue for most of us, I believe. I only use about 1 GB out of the 8GB with all my programs installed there. All my large consuming files are on microSDHC, which can be swapped in and out at will so there is no practical limit on the effective capacity. Microdrive is a lot faster than microSDHC, although it consumes more power.
The answer is also in the new product cathegories from HTC marketing department ( www.htc.com ) :
They have :
TOUCH phones (From TOUCH to DIAMOND)
PDA phones (From P3300 to TyTN II)
Smartphones (From S310 to S730)
Mobile Computers (Advantage>Shift)
The strategy seems clear: WHAT DO YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ? :
Trendy and WOW effect PDA PHONE? (Play device with phone?) TOUCH product Line
A Powerfull Companion in your PHONE? (Biz device with phone?) PDA Phones Product Line
Lightweight but powerfull PHONE? (Phone for yor Digital Lifestyle?) Smartphones product line
Mobile computing (Mobile PC always on with SOME phone capabilities?) Mobile Computers product line
I agree with you we would like to have them ALL in a single device but....
I have PDA, SMartphone and Mobile computer, and I fully agree with this scenario. A clear idea (or a good help) and you will be really happy of the chosen device. Chose the wrong category for your purpose and you will sell it in few weeks (losing money )
HTC is out from a dark age now, time to buy stock quotes IMHO!
I'd go for an X7500 unless you can get a 7510 susidised. I use about 6Gb of my Microdrive and about 3Gb on my card but you can always expand with bigger cards.
Good luck!
[Edit]Just seen http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391485 - might be of interest?[/Edit]
Interesting comments, really appreciate the feedback. So, a few things.
1. I haven't really found a good comparison or general video yet of any of the advantage models. I'll keep the keyboard difference in mind. As for the keyboard usage, how is it for texting? I've been pretty happy with the keyboard on my Wizard, but I'm open to something new. I just refuse to go back to not having a QWERTY keyboard. I'd buy the Diamond, but HTC doesn't get how awesome QWERTY texting is appearantly.
2. Looking at the Advantage, I don't see any buttons on it that would be especially good for gaming, especially anything like the pad on a Wizard / TyTn II. Am I missing something, or can I expect to have my PocketNesterness hampered by an Advantage?
3. Thanks for the info on the 7500/1 vs 7510. Looking at the specs page, I noticed the 7500 lists two cameras while the 7501 only has one. Is this the case? I'd just be giving up the VGA camera for voice calls, which I've never used anyways, but I guess it could be nice if I get to an area with better than EDGE service. Also, is the X7510's camera much / any better?
4. I've done a good bit of flashing / light bit of cooking with my Wizard. About how much harder is an advantage to reflash?
5. 8 gigs would be a considerable upgrade for me, I've been getting by on a 4 gig MiniSD that my Wizard only picks up about 3.7 gig of. Assuming I used a gig internally for pics, GPS, etc, I'd still have twice the capacity on HD alone vs my card.
Glad to get some input, got ignored at HowardForums.
Hmm... actually, saw some better pics of the Advantage. There is clearly no "D-Pad" like the PDA-style phones get. LAME.
Back to the drawing board. Kaiser's in the lead, AT&T owes me a discount phone since I bought my own hardware to the table. Too bad it doesn't have a flash.
http://www.imate.com/support/specs/SpecSheet_9502.pdf
Ooooooh... Do Want!
fatheadpi said:
Interesting comments, really appreciate the feedback. So, a few things.
1. ... how is it for texting? ...
2. ... can I expect to have my PocketNesterness hampered by an Advantage?
3. ... the 7500 lists two cameras while the 7501 only has one. Is this the case? Also, is the X7510's camera much / any better?...
4. ...About how much harder is an advantage to reflash?...
5. ...8 gigs ...
....got ignored at HowardForums.
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We play soccer here, 2-1 is the score, and the winners are ...HERMES-KAISER!
1) ATHENA's kb haven't any backlight, hard to use without a stable surface. Big screen means BIG on screen Kb too, but for texting ATHENA Kb isn't really good in standing situation, in the car, on the bus.... WORST comparing it with the HERMES or KAISER
2) Many games aren't usable in a VGA device. I don't know about emulators but less buttons mean less control! WORST comparing it with the HERMES or KAISER
3) Yes, it is. No, don't.
4) Just the same complexity and risks as Kaiser or Hermes
5) Yes, but are built IN. I prefer to have DATA on SD, to manage with the PC utilities, to share data with friends... but, yes BETTER than HERMES or KAISER
HOFO?
Believe me: for a "texter" and "gamer" ATHENA is a nightmare!
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing so far. I might settle on a Kaiser, looks like those are pretty well hacked, and I can get one for like $100 refurb'd through AT&T. I'm gonna see if I can scrounge up a deal on that I-Mate tho, no flash on the camera has repeatedly pissed me off with my Wizard.
On a different note, how is WM6 on a 400 Mhz processor? I'm using a Wizard OC'd to 216Mhz on a custom WM6 rom, and alot of stuff is SLOOOOW. Granted, even a Kaiser would more than double my phone power, but just curious.
Hey guys, I think it's getting obvious the Athena isn't for me. I'm gonna head over to the Kaiser forum and see what I can see. Thanks for the help.
Since I got my first Universal (JasJar) some 2 years back, I have tried several other alternatives, including TyTN 2, HTC Touch Pro, and even Toshiba G910. I have always come back to the Universal. In fact, when I broke my JasJar, I replaced it with Vodafone V1640. I have come to conclude that the Uni is the closest to my ideal PDA/phone for a business user.
But I regret one or two things about the Universal, and I honestly wish we would have a Universal 2 to address these snags. My short wish list for Universal 2 are is follows:
1) Retain the present format - don't change the form factor; it is simply great as it is. Forget those who say it is too heavy or bulky - they don't know what they want. (If weight is your problem, then don't ask for a comfortable keyboard and a large screen as you have in the Uni.)
2) Give it 256MB RAM. This is by far the biggest issue with the current Uni with 64MB RAM. Often when I run something like TextMaker (SoftOffice), the device runs out of memory.
3) Make the stylus holder more secure. Either let it click into place or have a magnetic slot to secure it, like the HTC Touch Pro.
4) Make the SD card slot more secure - perhaps with a cover. As it is, it pops out rather easily.
5) Have a built-in GPS
Any further ideas for Universal 2?
We can fantasize all we want but we aint going to get it! There wont ever be a Uni 2 for sure....atleast i'm pretty convinced about it.
I just broke my uni a few weeks ago and couldnt help but buying another one...(was quite a struggle to find a seller!). I too love the form factor and ergonomics of the uni - simply brilliant.
Anyway, I guess I'll just wait up for a while until there is something like the TyTN 2 where you can tilt the display on the Touch pro and I might just buy one of them! Or the Touch HD Pro - if there will ever be one!
Cheers!
San
Anyway, for the "wishlist" I'd basically want a built in GPS, a better 3D accelerated graphics card, MORE RAM & storage, and an outside smaller display if possible!
Video out would be essential for me, & with that hardware run GFX.
Sadly I dont think there will be a Universal 2, although I wish they would. The line between laptop, PDA and mobile phone has blurred so much, all I really wish is that the mobile industry in general stops limiting the capabilitys of hand held devices (e.g. Iphone) with closed platforms, limiting hardware capabilities and add expansion ports.
Dear rsawoseyin,
You have a Grate Idea about Universal. I also love Universal very much.
If the Universal is made according to the Specs given by you and some other features, like Multitouch Display, Accelerometer, etc., like in iPhone, then it would become Deam Machine!!!!!!!!
So, you request the iMate or HTC to create such type of Universal.
Regards,
Shakeel Ahmed,
Datacom Engineer,
HUAWEI Technologies (Pvt.) Ltd.
I agree with you,
I have had Jasjar and Vodafone V1640. Now I've a Toshiba G900, I'm happy with it and I've started to cook roms for it, then G900 is really important for me.
But I've loved my UNI, perfect size for me, perfect display, perfect keyboard...
To have it today with its features plus a lot ram, storage and GPS, it'll be really a dream. Yes, today we have many devices like Xperia, HD, Touch pro... BUT, apart storage, ram and gps, no one offers all the things the UNI has!
And, if I had to add a thing on a new UNI, I would put the host usb function. I have it on G900 and it can be really usefull!
rsawoseyin said:
Since I got my first Universal (JasJar) some 2 years back, I have tried several other alternatives, including TyTN 2, HTC Touch Pro, and even Toshiba G910. I have always come back to the Universal. In fact, when I broke my JasJar, I replaced it with Vodafone V1640. I have come to conclude that the Uni is the closest to my ideal PDA/phone for a business user.
But I regret one or two things about the Universal, and I honestly wish we would have a Universal 2 to address these snags. My short wish list for Universal 2 are is follows:
1) Retain the present format - don't change the form factor; it is simply great as it is. Forget those who say it is too heavy or bulky - they don't know what they want. (If weight is your problem, then don't ask for a comfortable keyboard and a large screen as you have in the Uni.)
2) Give it 256MB RAM. This is by far the biggest issue with the current Uni with 64MB RAM. Often when I run something like TextMaker (SoftOffice), the device runs out of memory.
3) Make the stylus holder more secure. Either let it click into place or have a magnetic slot to secure it, like the HTC Touch Pro.
4) Make the SD card slot more secure - perhaps with a cover. As it is, it pops out rather easily.
5) Have a built-in GPS
Any further ideas for Universal 2?
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You pretty much stated the main shortfalls of the Uni.
The only thing I can think of that you left out was EDGE compatibility....
I only been a Imate JasJar owner for 6 months however I love the device. I have a Wizard (T-Mobile MDA)...had it for almost 2 years but for work, I exclusively use my Uni. I send/receive A lot of emails at work and the Uni is perfect for that. Plus I like having an unique PDA.....I live in the US so many Americans never seen a Universal so most of my coworkers, friends, or people that happen to see me use the Uni look at it like WHAT IS THAT? lol.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443421
I love the from factor "Micro laptop" but I have not seen anything for the future.....
davideuck said:
I agree with you,
I have had Jasjar and Vodafone V1640. Now I've a Toshiba G900, I'm happy with it and I've started to cook roms for it, then G900 is really important for me.
But I've loved my UNI, perfect size for me, perfect display, perfect keyboard...
To have it today with its features plus a lot ram, storage and GPS, it'll be really a dream. Yes, today we have many devices like Xperia, HD, Touch pro... BUT, apart storage, ram and gps, no one offers all the things the UNI has!
And, if I had to add a thing on a new UNI, I would put the host usb function. I have it on G900 and it can be really usefull!
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Glad to see you're a Uni user too.
Even tho we both have the G900 and love the 800x480, hackibility/cookibility wise the Uni is just so reliable.
It's very hard to make a perfect ROM for G900 due to the GF5500's lack of proper driver while the Uni is just a plain PXA27x device with drivers readily available.
IMO the perfect Uni2 should have the following:
-PXA32x 800Mhz+ (CorePlayer makes great use of the newer SIMD - WMMX2)
-800x480 WVGA 3.8"
-KB
-Slightly less than 20mm thick
-Same folding/twisting style
-aGPS (from MSM6281)
-Tri-band HSDPA 3.5G (from MSM6281)
-256MB+ RAM
-512MB ROM
-SDHC (or even two! )
Or that concept Touch HD Pro, but with PXA32x 800Mhz instead plus MSM6281 for aGPS+HSDPA. Qualcomm's QTv isn't powerful enough for WVGA H.264 playback.
Too bad HTC haven't made a replacement for the Uni. The closest contender is the Blackstone.
My Imate JasJar's camera doesn't work so I just bought a O2 exec in mint condition off ebay for an excellent price. The O2 should last for a another year...when the price of the Blackstone goes down a bit.... $700+ for a new Blackstone is a bit steep right now for me...lol
even tho i never seen it, on paper Touch Pro looks like ideal replacement.
Nevertheless, here's my wish list for Uni 2
GOOD CAMERA. (For ****'s sake HTC, if after all these years u still cant make a good one, LICENSE technology from sharp or sony!!!!)
fast CPU (900Mhz +)
and 2D drawing acceleration chip
GOBS of internal flash memory (storage), 8+ GB
dump SD card slot, in favour of USB 2.0 access to the internal 8.0GB+ flash
lots of RAM memory, ie 512MB+
ipod/touch pro UI
QUAD band
reduce weight/thickness
higher capacity battery
GPS that works with TOMTOM
scratch/shock resistant case
Actually, I think that HTC meant Touch Pro to be Universals successor. While it is better only in some respects, it is the only device with at least comparable keyboard. You may say that display is too small. But should not need to tap display too often when you have a good keaybord.