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GPS / Google Maps Problem After Helmi Upgrade

After I upgraded to the helmi rom my GPS seems to have stoped working. Google maps attempts to get a fix for about 20 seconds, then throws an error that the GPS is not responding. Has anyone else experienced this problem? I have installed quickgps and downloaded the update with it, didnt seem to help.

rucus said:
After I upgraded to the helmi rom my GPS seems to have stoped working. Google maps attempts to get a fix for about 20 seconds, then throws an error that the GPS is not responding. Has anyone else experienced this problem? I have installed quickgps and downloaded the update with it, didnt seem to help.
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I also have a problem. I was using helmi then upgraded to helmis big storage rom. I was geting gps fix in 20-30 seconds now i stood outside on different options (built in gps, other com 4) and waiting 5-10 minutes, nothing just searching for gps signal

Use a GPS test app, like GPSTest to "warm" up your GPS receiver. If it finds satellites, exit and try running your GPS software. I've had success at this point.
If that does not work, note the settings used on the test GPS app, and plug them into your GPS software.
If that doesn't work, start off with fresh settings by doing a hard reset.
This is already covered in a thread or two, btw

Priming
vasquja said:
Use a GPS test app, like GPSTest to "warm" up your GPS receiver. If it finds satellites, exit and try running your GPS software. I've had success at this point.
If that does not work, note the settings used on the test GPS app, and plug them into your GPS software.
If that doesn't work, start off with fresh settings by doing a hard reset.
This is already covered in a thread or two, btw
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Was able to find GPSTest, and after that all is well. It must need to prime the reciever

I experienced issues at first but once you get it to connect to first time all is good.

i couldn't get a gps fix on anything until i installed TomTom. Now TT works perfectly and so does every other GPS. I believe that GPSTest will work as well but for some reason google maps and WLS won't "warmup" the gps until it's already be initialized by something else.

How to test the gps?

What is a good program that works with the TP so that I can test to see if my built in gps is working correctly?
I have TOMTOM7 installed and the application works but I can never see any satellites.
I tried mapopolis but i can't seem to establish a connection to the gps.
I updated the gps info using quick gps.
What com port and baud rate does the unit use?
What settings should I have in the "external gps" settings?
Thanks for your help!

Use the attached program to test the GPS.
It will search COM ports automatically
But I guess you can know the port from the settings tabs "External GPS" icon if it's like Kaiser
Anyway, I will be of further use in like 4 days
pjmiebach said:
What is a good program that works with the TP so that I can test to see if my built in gps is working correctly?
I have TOMTOM7 installed and the application works but I can never see any satellites.
I tried mapopolis but i can't seem to establish a connection to the gps.
I updated the gps info using quick gps.
What com port and baud rate does the unit use?
What settings should I have in the "external gps" settings?
Thanks for your help!
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ok it seems its on com 4 with baud rate of 9600.
ill put it by the window and see if any satellites come up.
The screen just right now says: GPS starting up
Edit: ok great I just got 3 satellites. I guess it works!

Great that it works
You need at least 4 though to get a fix
Kindly, post your radio info and your location and let me know how many satellites did you view (press up on dpad as the 1st screen shows only upto 8 and it can see more, hopefully)
pjmiebach said:
ok it seems its on com 4 with baud rate of 9600.
ill put it by the window and see if any satellites come up.
The screen just right now says: GPS starting up
Edit: ok great I just got 3 satellites. I guess it works!
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posting the number of satelites you receive is a bit pointless.
This will depend on many factors such as
1) The number of sats viewable at any given time in your area (the sats are not geostationary and therefore move around)
2) The location of the sats during the test - some could be close to the horizon and therefore have a week signal
3) Weather conditions, cloud rain etc,
4) Terrain
etc
etc

Basically, you are right.
But if you are fast enough, you can test several radios in the same 10 mins.
And you can judge by testing in the same place which radio is better for GPS (Fix & View).
A mention of your location will be a referrence for others.
There's a thread with more radio fuss to hold such info to be useful in the future.

Hi pjmiebach - thanks for the hint and the software - I get 4 satellits (yellow beamer) but when I tryit again with Google Maps it finds no Satellite ???
Any explanation from yur side ?

as a matter of fact, on-board GPS works with just about any baud rate you select - so choose the fastest

peter7 said:
Hi pjmiebach - thanks for the hint and the software - I get 4 satellits (yellow beamer) but when I tryit again with Google Maps it finds no Satellite ???
Any explanation from yur side ?
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errr It worked find with TOMTOM7 after taking like 15 min to find it's first fix. Never tried Google maps yet cause my data plan doesn't start until the 8th of Sept.

you can start google maps and check in the right menu for gps and tap that one so it uses the internal gps instead of internetconnection.
it is also a good idea to goto connectionsettings and wipe all existing connections as activesync wont require these and you can download them later from the provider website or by running the carriersetup

ok. ive broken something on my raph. gps was working fine when i flew up to sydneyim guessing ive fiddled with something (external gps setings) and now no worky. tom tom7 is set to internal. if i disable external gps gpstest pauses on com 3 but nothing. if i turn windows on. it stops on com 4 shows some progress bars but they are all at 0 ive soft reset. taken the battery out canter figure out whatsoever wrong. any ideas would be awesome

TT7 and google maps
My tt7 takes 2 - 3 minutes to get a fix.
Google maps takes about 10 secs.
If i start tt7 right after i used gm it takes about 20 secs to get a fix.
I'm gonna try gpsgate and changing the baudrate a bit, see if it helps.
I'll let you know.
** Edit **
GPSGate does the trick for me.
Buy it at your fav appstore and create a new virtual com port for all NMEA progs, go to tt7 gps settings select other nmea device, select the com you just created, at max speed.

com port problem
atreidae said:
ok. ive broken something on my raph. gps was working fine when i flew up to sydneyim guessing ive fiddled with something (external gps setings) and now no worky. tom tom7 is set to internal. if i disable external gps gpstest pauses on com 3 but nothing. if i turn windows on. it stops on com 4 shows some progress bars but they are all at 0 ive soft reset. taken the battery out canter figure out whatsoever wrong. any ideas would be awesome
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My Raphael do the same but after hard reset will be work again.

mzperxfl said:
My Raphael do the same but after hard reset will be work again.
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Me too! :-( No, I really do not enjoy hard resets...
Another nice GPS testing software is VisualGPSce. Be sure to get that.
I wonder if the problem was with QuickGPS. VisualGPSce was telling me that it "saw" 11 satellites, but wasn't able to lock onto any of them. I know that it had worked previously, but then I had a couple of days break and QuickGPS had updated it's data during that time. After the Hard Reset, I haven't used QuickGPS.
About the performance... seems to get fix quite fast, but looses them very easily too. I tracked today a half hour buss ride and I frequently lost the connection. (Sure it was not the most optimal situation...). Also the accuracy wasn't that good - well, either the GPS or Google Maps. actually VisualGPS showed that the GPS wasn't very accurate in following what was happening. The velocity would go to 0 only about 10 seconds after the buss had stopped at trafic lights or buss stop. Actually the buss frequently took of before the GPS showed us stopped. And then it was extremely slow on catching up. On Google Maps you could see the dot still advancing when the buss had stopped for that 10 seconds. Completely off the road - but that might as well be Googles error.
I do not have TomTom on this, but certainly the speed accuracy from VisualGPSce is not nearly as accurate as my TomTom 720.

Check also that the assisted GPS is not active.
If this option is actived, you lose the signal each x seconds.
To check this option I use Advanced config.
Note : I've a Diamond and one Raphael, same configuration, the Diamond find a fix into 40sec and the Raphael takes sometimes 5min!!!.

NLS said:
as a matter of fact, on-board GPS works with just about any baud rate you select - so choose the fastest
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i find this to be true as well but the kaiser gps radio worked far better than this touch pro in every app I tried. I can put the TP in my car window and get a signal with random disconnects but if i put it in my lap i cant get anything. I could put the kaiser in my trun and be fine lol. Hopefully some upgrades to the radio software will be coming soon. Same result with me with .19 and .31

Hello,
I tested GPSTuner 5.4, VisualGPS, GoogleMaps and TomTom 7 and I have a strange problem... I installed thos programs after hard reset to be sure...
In the GPS information window the GPS position changes but the speed is always 0km/h and in TomTom or GoogleMaps my position on the map don't move...
Have you seens this problem ?
Any kind of solution ?
PLZ....
PS :
Where can I find rom &Radio version ?
What is your TomTom 7 version ?

Hello All..
this is my first post. I just received my TP today via Vodafone. I havwe sucessfully loaded on TomTom 6 and I have it working with the TT external GPS receiver.
can someone advise me whether the Touch Pro's internal GPS will work and if so, how do I go about setting it up.
PS, I only see 4 options in TT6, and none say internal.
Thanks in advance for any assistance

GPS Lock Times

I know there are MANY threads to the GPS issues and I am not having problems with GPS lag. I have searched and read and already have the tweaks installed (running the Elite rom rc2 which already had all the tweaks setup) and changed the no data sleep timeout to 1.5 seconds. I also tried on my original radio version, 32 and now have 28 and see no difference in GPS lock times. It will never lock on using Google Maps or iGuidance. In google Maps it says "seeking gps satellites (0)..." for about 5 min then says your gps receiver is having trouble tracking satellites etc. The only way I can get it to work is to use GPS Test, let it get a lock which usually take 5-10 mins, then close GPS Test and open either Google Maps or iGuidance and it will then work fine.
What is also strange is that when using GPS Test, the only way I can get it to work is to have the GPS info set to auto. It will scan then find the gps on com port 4 and 9600 baud. Then it will start up and try to lock on. The next time I run it it will already be on com port 4 and 9600 baud but won't find the gps device. I have to set it back to auto, and restart GPS Test, then it finds it.
There has GOT to be a way to fix the gps lock time on this thing. I have tried with A-GPS on and off and tried with quick-gps and saw no difference in lock speeds. Interesting thing though, I guess Google Maps will using cell tower location to identify where you are? When I use it without gps being turned on, or while it is searching for satellites, and I click "my location" it gets a fairly accurate location on the map.
It seems to me that the issue is with the com port and communication. Almost like the gps won't come out of sleep mode or something and gps test is the only program that can "wake" it.
Thanks for any info.

I am in the exact same situation as you. My TP fails to lock satelites 98% of the times i try.
I have read everything posted about TP GPS on this forum, i have tryed most ROM's and almost all available radio's, i have tryed most tweeks and all that in different set-up.
And after all that my GPS lock's rarely (2-5% of the times i try), and most importantly it doesent seem to be related to the radio nor to the ROM. At this moment i tend to think that i was unlucky with my TP that perhaps is from a lot of TP's with retarded GPS module.
From the forums it seems that most of the ppl dont experience this extrem problem with the GPS, it seems that most of the ppl around only experience laggy gps module update.
Atm i am still waiting for Elite RC3 hopeing that perhaps they'll bring a new gps driver, that will solve my problem.
In case Elite RC3 doesent help i will revert to stock hard-spl/radio/ROM and ill take it to the warranty service.
Sadly this problem with the GPS from my TP blackens my experience with it.

Are you guys sitting in your homes trying to get a lock? because then it is very unlikely you'll ever get a lock.
I have to go outside and wait about 1 minute to get a lock and then its fine. However, I DO have to use the HTC gps tool to get a lock before I can use google maps or any other gps program.

I am outside with no obstructions. I did find this app and may play around with it. So far I havne't been able to get it to get a lock unless I use GPS Test first.
http://www.geoterrestrial.com/gpstoday/

My Telus Touch Pro locks in 3-5 seconds every time after modifying the GPS and adding the correct IP settings for Telus' AGPS. This combined with OCN8 makes for an excellent GPS device.
The guide for the GPS hack was from this forum, just can't recall where.

I have the same problem with GPS Test as you all described. I am now running qsqa's PROven ROM and I noticed following: GPS Test often fails to start-up the GPS receiver, but VisualGPSce worked every time I tried. It is a free software, included in the PROven ROM. If u use a different ROM, you can download it from here: http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/default.htm
Give it a try, it sure helped me!!!!

Tomtom 7 - zero satellites

ive searched and searched, but am yet to find the answer....
i cant remember when, or what i had installed or unistalled etc, but one day, tomtom would never display any satellites in range.
i know it is locked on to satellites though, as it functions as per usual, i just dont understand why i doesnt display it in the program. all other programs work fine, its just this one.
its not "important" because the main thing is that it works, it would be nice to know what was causing the problem though. if anybody has any ideas, id like to hear them

You have to upgrade to v7.910.9185 to fix this.

I changed the RadioROM - from that day I have the same issue. Google Maps shows satellites, HTC GPS Tool shows satellites, only TomTom doesn't.

Let me try and shed some light on this.
I used Tom Tom with the default settings of:
Other NMEA GPS receiver and baud rate 4500 (well the one everyone was recommending)
Locks were so damn poor,
I purchased Nav n Go IGO8 and used same settings and pap, same results. Then by sheer luck decided to as it has a option to do so, set the GPS to AUTO. It then got great instant lock but on COM 4 Baud Rate 57600.
So then went back to TOM TOM and changed it to this and worked a TREAT.
Now i have Tom Tom 7.910 along with Nav n Go IGO8 but rarely use Tom Tom, as IGO8 is so much better in functionality.
Let us know if this helps you as i suspect it will help others.

make sure location mode is on in settings to activate GPS , and you are unlocked (if Verizon)

turns out it was the rom... i was on NRGs Series 1 Rom, but not on the latest 41609 build... updated, and now, miraculously, i have my satellites back!

but your consistent 15 second aGPS fixes may be history now. The new GPS drivers are what is breaking the TomTom display.

tomtom not showing satellites a-gps?

Hi all,
I have installed tomtom7 on the TD2 and I have used the following settings:
other NMEA receiver 4800 baude rate com 4
although it is very slow to lock on I do get a signal and it works ok
(had it in the car comparing it to a tomtom go and it was pretty good)
but when i get look at the satellite ino it shows the position but no satellites at all ( the go had locked onto 9)
not a huge problem but one i would like to address
could this ( or the incredibly slow lock on) be related to the AGPS
as ever may thanks in advance
Andy

I do want to ask the same question too, AGPS can locate you much faster in Google Map, it will be great if tomtom can do the same.

Which TT7 are u using think I read somwere that older versions have problem with showing satellites.
I have 916.9189 and it work fine and its shows satellites, and i get gps signal in 10sec

thanks for the reply
I have just tried loading that version but it wont accept my maps and want me to reactivate them
am i doing something wrong? I just copied over the 2 files into the prog file and it overwrote 2 files
then no more maps

when you change the version of tom tom you'll get a new id so you have to reregister the maps.

frank,
I checked what you said but i still have the same device id
I have even tried to do the dct file again but no joy.
Any ideas???
thanks