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Okay, I'm going to (try and) return my device (through devicewire, anyone know how good their returns policy is?). Here, in order of importance, is why:
1- Bluetooth doesn't work any more (it comes up saying "Error: bluetooth hardware problem"
2- Phone needs a hard restart (battery out) ONCE A DAY. This is despite resetting it and keeping it clean as received. Something will freeze
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
5- It ain't that pretty, it ain't that small, it ain't that light
Shame, because it does have a fair bit going for it. But I'm finding that they've just tried to push the envelope too far, especially on a system that is such a HUGE MESS already (Windows Mobile).
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
It really sounds like you have defective unit. Maybe you should try to exchange it for another one.
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It really sounds like you have defective unit. Maybe you should try to exchange it for another one.
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Yep. Not one issue with mine. As for speed, I guess that's all relative. However, I have had enough WM devices in the past to base my comparisons to and I don't find the TC to be any worse than my past devices. In some respects, it is faster at some operations (ie. opening applications, browsing directories, etc) than my past device. I have no issue with touching the screen and the amount of pressure needed.
As for the size and weight of the TC, you'll be hard pressed to find anything that's leaps and bounds smaller and lighter on the market right now with the exception of the original Touch series.
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Okay, I'm going to (try and) return my device (through devicewire, anyone know how good their returns policy is?). Here, in order of importance, is why:
1- Bluetooth doesn't work any more (it comes up saying "Error: bluetooth hardware problem"
2- Phone needs a hard restart (battery out) ONCE A DAY. This is despite resetting it and keeping it clean as received. Something will freeze
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
5- It ain't that pretty, it ain't that small, it ain't that light
Shame, because it does have a fair bit going for it. But I'm finding that they've just tried to push the envelope too far, especially on a system that is such a HUGE MESS already (Windows Mobile).
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
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Taking the battery out does not hard reset the device, it just reboots it. If you check the wiki, you sill see how to really perform the hard reset. This may be all your device needs. Sounds like some corrupt files in the active OS. Doing a true Hard Reset will restore all files from ROM and correct any corrupt ones. You will lose all settings and contact information so have them backed up or accessible. Also, you may want to remove your microSD before you hard reset.
Good Luck and report back
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Taking the battery out does not hard reset the device, it just reboots it. If you check the wiki, you sill see how to really perform the hard reset. This may be all your device needs. Sounds like some corrupt files in the active OS. Doing a true Hard Reset will restore all files from ROM and correct any corrupt ones. You will lose all settings and contact information so have them backed up or accessible. Also, you may want to remove your microSD before you hard reset.
Good Luck and report back
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Sorry, I should have said i DID do a proper hard reset (hold buttons down, restart, software reinstalls on a bare phone), and still problems with bluetooth. AND, incidentially, WIFI! This evening I'm going to try throwing it against a wall (joking). Thanks for helping though
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Sorry, I should have said i DID do a proper hard reset (hold buttons down, restart, software reinstalls on a bare phone), and still problems with bluetooth. AND, incidentially, WIFI! This evening I'm going to try throwing it against a wall (joking). Thanks for helping though
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You got a bad device. It happens. If you are satisfied with what the device offers, exchange it for another.
it's true that it's too slow to search a name in all database !
I had a QTek 9090 also cadenced to 400Mhz during nearly 2 years,and I used to search a name not only in contacts but using the "search" tool in all the datas and with the same database of almost 3000 contacts + calender over 1000 entries, with the QTek it took only a few seconds, here on the TC (and I used also before a TYTN it was the same problem : very slow),it takes more than 1 minute ! It is so slow that the screenlight turns off before it has found !! It is really boring and not easy to use: I have to go in contacts and type the name or surname, then it is much faster....BUT if I want to find a keyword I put in the notes of my contacts, the only way is to use the search tool and it is REAL too slow !
What do you guys, testers, think about this ? The QTek had the same processor speed, half less RAM and ROM but maybe it consumed more energy, more power, maybe the battery lasted less time, but ok, I prefer to charge my battery more often and to have a fast PDA . I cannot wait so long to search an item !!!
try to exchange you device for a new one and you will be a happy chap
Cedel: The 9090 (Qtek = HTC) has an Intel CPU I owned a Qtek S110 (also Intel) and it was in fact very fast. But comparing raw CPU speed in this case is not correct. I'm pretty sure Intel uses a completely different architecture. There are IMO several reasons for HTC dropping Intel from their phones:
1. Cost - Intel have never been a cost effective solution and I strongly suspect that they are at least 30% more expensive.
2. Battery - A 9090 or S110 would not live though the day with GPS, 128 MB DDR RAM and all the other features you now have I can confirm this from an iPAQ 316 I tested recently. 2 hours @battery power was it's maximum!
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3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
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that's every touch cruise made by HTC...yours, mine, everyone who owns one in this forum
HTC consideres these two things "features" because this is a "business device"
i thought you knew that! (lol)
just for kicks though, what registry hack are you referring to?
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that's every touch cruise made by HTC...yours, mine, everyone who owns one in this forum
HTC consideres these two things "features" because this is a "business device"
i thought you knew that! (lol)
just for kicks though, what registry hack are you referring to?
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Good point!
The registry hack is the one to increase screen sensitivity posted elsewhere - screen still needed a couple of prods to work.
Any case, I've sent it off to HTC with my list of complaints - let's see what they send back...
yeah i've tried that...didn't do much difference
i hope u get ur probs fixed, good luck dealing with HTC :-\
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Good point!
The registry hack is the one to increase screen sensitivity posted elsewhere - screen still needed a couple of prods to work.
Any case, I've sent it off to HTC with my list of complaints - let's see what they send back...
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I have recently sent me touch dual back to HTC twice- the first time they said they replaced the mainboard but when I got it back it still had problems, the second time they said they couldnt find any issues with it and reflashed the rom and sent it back- they were unhelpful and unapologetic. Was thinking of sending in a written complaint as I never had any problems with my wizard or TYTN but I honestly dont think it will achieve anything.
I was thinking of getting rid of it and getting a touch cruise but it seems to have just as many problems. I think its windows mobile that is the weak link here.
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I was thinking of getting rid of it and getting a touch cruise but it seems to have just as many problems.
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What problems are those? Aside from lack of graphics drivers, the device performs as I expect.
Well, I got my device back from HTC. Appart from the fact the screen glows in the bottom left corner (though not really visible once the screen is bright), they seem to have improved it. In the sense that it's not totally broken. So bluetooth and WIFI work again, which, frankly, they should for this much money.
The TC is still a slow phone with pretty terrible usability. But even with a faster processor, the usability would be terrible. So, I dunno, I'm stuck with it for the moment.
madinga, i really understand you. It's a ****ed up device! I bought it for $1000 and for such money it freezes, doesn't wakeup on power push, and got a very bad performance. I wanna throw it to the wall!! ****
Well I like mine...
But it's not a massive improvement over the original Orbit. The Touch interface is loads better though, I'd miss that if I went back to the Orbit.
A proper VGA screen in it would be great though, since it would make it a lot more possible/easier to use to read PDF novels etc. Currently you can't have the entire page of a book full screen and the text still be readable. A higher DPI would sort that out.
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Well, I got my device back from HTC. Appart from the fact the screen glows in the bottom left corner (though not really visible once the screen is bright), they seem to have improved it. In the sense that it's not totally broken. So bluetooth and WIFI work again, which, frankly, they should for this much money.
The TC is still a slow phone with pretty terrible usability. But even with a faster processor, the usability would be terrible. So, I dunno, I'm stuck with it for the moment.
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Its not a slow phone i think your device still have a problem.
Send it back again and demand a new device tell them this is a clearly DOE/RMA Case
they have to give you a new Device.
Cheers
Tarik
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But it's not a massive improvement over the original Orbit. The Touch interface is loads better though, I'd miss that if I went back to the Orbit.
A proper VGA screen in it would be great though, since it would make it a lot more possible/easier to use to read PDF novels etc. Currently you can't have the entire page of a book full screen and the text still be readable. A higher DPI would sort that out.
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I really don't have any problems reading books/novels... GowerPoint uBook does the job... well it can't read PDF files but it can read RTF files, so the text formatting can be preserved, also it has lots of features...
10 Min For Cube To Load
It took 10 mins for the cube to open. During that time, it locked my PDA. I've been disappointed in this and all the bugs with the Word Completion and returned it as a manufacturer defect.
In all the years prior to now, I cannot believe the processors currently out there have not advanced in speed.
Hi
Only had my Orbit 2 for a few days and already there are quite a few problems with it...most of which got resolved so not too bothered there
However there is one problem that I cant fix. Sometimes when I bring up the TouchFLO it will crash on the screen with the radio, copilot, alarm, etc. The text under the icons does not load and the only way to get out of it is by pressing the end call key.
Soft reset doesnt solve the problem, it did once but only temporarily.
Hard reset has solved it (don't know if the problem will come again), wouldn't mind too much about that except I did a hard reset about 2 days ago for another reason so it is clear the device is just screwing up somehow. I barely installed much software on it.
So i've only hard resetted once to see if I can solve the problem and so far its worked. Hope its not temporary.
If anyone could help me I'd be grateful
(P.S. The button with the end call key and 'OK' is a bit loose, I can jiggle it about slightly left and right...)
Never had this many problems with my Artemis and for a device worth over £300 (over $600) I really think this is unacceptable. First the drivers, and now small problems which screw up the device totally. HTC are messing up big time and I think with all their negative feedback O2 might just cut down on buying their products.
The only time I've ever had Touch Flo, well, the Touch Cube crash was due to my installing City Time Alarms. After uninstalling, everything went back to normal. Maybe a specific app was causing your woes?
I installed an old version of SKTools and did a registry cleanup, maybe that had something to do with it... It did delete a whole lot of stuff..
I remember the problem only occured after I installed SKtools. I did do a hard reset earlier today and that was because the device became slow.. but nothing to do with TouchFlo.
Anyway I have hard reset the device now so I should not be getting any more problems from it..
But I am getting worried about the deivce though, there are so many bugs with it! Like today when the alarm went off to wake me up, the GPRS was turned on for about 56 minutes and I was definately asleep so I couldn't have turned it on!
I am scared to install a program on it incase that likes to mess up my device!
Also, is it normal for the right buttons (end call/OK) to be a BIT wonky? Like you can move it a bit from left to right? They work perfectly fine and I doubt they will suddenly detach or something! If you shake the device you CANNOT hear the slighlty wonky keys or anything, but just got a bit worried cos the other keys opposite it (pickup/windows) is not wonky at all...
This device is not worth £300
At most I would say it is worth £250
It is just so full of bugs and I have never had these kinds of problems with the other 4 PDAs that I have owned in the past. The more higher tech you go, the more unreliable the device becomes. My XDA II which I owned about 2 years ago was the most reliable I've ever had. HTC are really screwing it up and I think they are more interested in their money than their customers. I hope they screw up big time and I mean big time. If it wasn't for XDA-Developers they would have been out of business a long, looong time ago.
With regards to HTC, they didn't screw up. Sounds to me, just like anything you buy, you got a lemon. I would exchange it for another unit, not only for the system instability but also the "defective" (loose) button.
I bought the item off eBay so I cannot return it
The button is fine though, its nothing major it only moves ever so slightly and I dont think theres any problem with it. It works perfectly fine, I shouldn't really have mentioned it in the first place!
The system instability is normal though I am sure, look at what other problems people are having with their devices that get resolved every day.
O2/HTC doesnt expect lots of users to install custom ROMS (well I haven't) or edit the registry so the devices will be more user friendly and if you play about with that it can screw up.
I thought the device is kinda bad but I guess i'm happy with it, If I just use it normally and stop trying new things out on it and stop using programs like SK tools (lol) then I'll be fine. And if I have any small problems I am sure they can get resolved on here.
Anyways I am only 15 so I am going to be happy with what i've got lol!
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Hi
Only had my Orbit 2 for a few days and already there are quite a few problems with it...most of which got resolved so not too bothered there
However there is one problem that I cant fix. Sometimes when I bring up the TouchFLO it will crash on the screen with the radio, copilot, alarm, etc. The text under the icons does not load and the only way to get out of it is by pressing the end call key.
Soft reset doesnt solve the problem, it did once but only temporarily.
Hard reset has solved it (don't know if the problem will come again), wouldn't mind too much about that except I did a hard reset about 2 days ago for another reason so it is clear the device is just screwing up somehow. I barely installed much software on it.
So i've only hard resetted once to see if I can solve the problem and so far its worked. Hope its not temporary.
If anyone could help me I'd be grateful
(P.S. The button with the end call key and 'OK' is a bit loose, I can jiggle it about slightly left and right...)
Never had this many problems with my Artemis and for a device worth over £300 (over $600) I really think this is unacceptable. First the drivers, and now small problems which screw up the device totally. HTC are messing up big time and I think with all their negative feedback O2 might just cut down on buying their products.
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I had the same problem. You actually have to let it sit for about 10 mins and it will load. If you close it, it might freeze for another 10 mins. After some time, the problem went away for reasons I cannot explain. Then, every time I select a button on the cube, the cube closes and I have to reopen it every time I want to use it.
Also, the bugs related with the "Word Completion" option, which does not function correctly, gave me a miserable experience with writing and typing. It slowed my writing and typing because I constantly have to correct bad guesses. I cannot turn it off either because the "Word Completion" option does not work. Sure I could go into the registry and mitigate the problem, but I returned it as a manufacturer defect.
I assume it will go back to HTC and I hope it will result in a response to fix the problems. For >$800 after tax, I would expect the purchase to function correctly.
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Yes the word completion is annoying, I can't turn it off either. It is annoying when you write smaller words such as 'sed' as opposed to 'said', the word completion decides to change it.. It is really annoying especially when you have to type on the move. Not to mention it uses up a whole lot of characters when you try to said a text message. It is much easier and quicker to write 'thru', it uses only 4 characters whereas the proper spelling of the word 'through' uses up 7 - nearly double. With a limit of 160 characters per message you will find that you will quickly reach that limit. I have quite a lot of free texts so I do not mind much but I hate it when it puts the incorrect word in the place!
Also with your TouchFLO problem, did you try hard resetting the device? I found that if you play about with the registry the phone quickly messes up. That is understandable but harmless registry modifications such as the 'ShowSIM' can even screw up your phone!
If a problem appears on my device can I give it to O2 to repair for a fee -- I do not have a warentee so if they agree to fix it for a fee only then that seems fair.
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I installed an old version of SKTools and did a registry cleanup, maybe that had something to do with it... It did delete a whole lot of stuff..
I remember the problem only occured after I installed SKtools.
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I found that if you play about with the registry the phone quickly messes up. That is understandable but harmless registry modifications such as the 'ShowSIM' can even screw up your phone!
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Maybe its just me, but while programs like sktools can simplify your life, I really hate the idea of a non-device specific program tweaking my registry. I like to do it myself so that I know exactly what goes in, and I can assess exactly what comes out. FYI: I've never had a crash due to registry mods (but in my early days (pre-Touch Cruise) of installing random cabs and fixes I did get crashes).
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...Also with your TouchFLO problem, did you try hard resetting the device?
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Just soft resets. I didn't want to wait 10+ hours to resync my emails, contacts, etc after a hard reset.
I am going insane sometimes with this phone....
Getting it do the simplest of tasks and behave itself should not be a lot to ask. Too many times i feel like the lag, unresponsiveness, hanging, etc. is just unacceptable. I need this phone for work and can't seem to understand why on earth it can't do such a simple thing as flip the screen and allow me to edit contact details without freezing!
It's not the ROM, i flash pretty regularly, and i would doubt it is my SF installed...
I just now did a soft reset and it still comes back way less than optimal.
Is anyone else as frustrated as i am by this phone?? I just feel like it should be so much more reliable than it is, and at times i feel like my Hermes was better.
Is it that 6.1 is still too new, and i need to go back to 6.0? I need better stability and am ready to sacrifice some cool new looks if that's what it takes to get it.
what ROM are u running on? i have no problems with mine
i have no problems either. what programs do you have installed? i had tnt battery meter installed and it KILLED the performance of my phone. It had a small ram footprint but htere was a 1 second lag per key press while typing and during touch flo use, etc.
maybe you have some program like that too?
I would have to say it is something you installed. I use mine for business as well and do not have any issues with responsiveness. I am constantly running notes or excel as well as adding editing contacts and it snaps right to what I need. The biggest problem I have is my fingers. I tend to try to do things I should be doing with the stylus. Other than that it is ten times the phone that my hermes was. In fact my brother still has his hermes and I hate working on that phone because it isn't nearly as fast or responsive as my fuze.
Right now I have Romeos latest Randium ROM (ROMeOS2_ENG_21042_1954_070409_RAnDIUM)
The only thing I can think of, and I have this installed every time, is Garmin Mobile XT GPS Software.
This goes on every ROM I have, and there's really nothing else I can imagine that could be as big a potential for issues as this (I also have like Google Maps and Lordsmiff's Battery Indicator and a few tweaks and things).
I absolutely live off of my Garmin software, but I guess I will have to try to flash and leave it off and see if that is what is causing the pain. It is becoming too much to bare and if that solves it I suppose I will have to look for another GPS.
Why don't you make a custom 6.5 ROM? 21210 is working so good for me that its not even funny.
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Right now I have Romeos latest Randium ROM (ROMeOS2_ENG_21042_1954_070409_RAnDIUM)
The only thing I can think of, and I have this installed every time, is Garmin Mobile XT GPS Software.
This goes on every ROM I have, and there's really nothing else I can imagine that could be as big a potential for issues as this (I also have like Google Maps and Lordsmiff's Battery Indicator and a few tweaks and things).
I absolutely live off of my Garmin software, but I guess I will have to try to flash and leave it off and see if that is what is causing the pain. It is becoming too much to bare and if that solves it I suppose I will have to look for another GPS.
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so after doing some searching...i think lordsmiff's = tnt battery meter. Try uninstalling it and if it hangs your phone while you are trying to uninstall, you have your problem. Hard reset and install everything BUT Lordsmiff's and your fuze will be 5x faster!
Google TNT battery meter and see if it's teh same thing as whaty ou have if you're doubtful. I was told it's not made for vga screens and that might be what's messing it up. really hope this helps, let us know!
Dont use randium!!!
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Right now I have Romeos latest Randium ROM (ROMeOS2_ENG_21042_1954_070409_RAnDIUM)
The only thing I can think of, and I have this installed every time, is Garmin Mobile XT GPS Software.
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I tried the Randium edition of ROMeOS but it is too slow!! I switched from ROMeOS to RC3 [just to try it out] then RRE [for a few minutes] and back to the latest build of ROMeOS and I would definitely recommend ROMeOS w/ Raphael Manila!!
The most important thing to me is that my phone should never lag when sliding open and i should never see a lag when typing and ROMeOS handles those well.
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Right now I have Romeos latest Randium ROM (ROMeOS2_ENG_21042_1954_070409_RAnDIUM)
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I would have to agree that it is probably somewhere between the battery meter and the TF3D2. Before you reflash try turning TF3D2 off and killing the battery program and see if the phone responds better. I know RRE hasn't included TF3D2 in his roms yet because of the bugs still in it.
Yep most likely a problem with one of the Cabs you put on it! I had this same problem with NRGZ28's 041409 build. Installed some of my usual stuff on his new 041609 build and now it is really nice and fast!
This is why I LOVE this forum - You people are AMAZING! What excellent feedback and concern!
The lordsmiff program DID indeed hang my phone when trying to uninstall, and I am trying now to reflash a new ROM and will not install that app and see if that changes things.
I do love that type of notifier though, my eyes so easily find it on the screen so if anyone knows a similar app, please let me know.
I do also agree about the TF3D2 on there, and while i am not sure it's the "problem" for me on my phone, I do notice it's bugs big time. Is there an easy way to tell straight away, if you have TF3D or TF3D2 installed? It also has some serious annoyances to me and i just don't at all like the design of some things that have changed - I hate how the SMS response has changed, and I wind up hitting "back" after typing a mssg (b/c that's where "send" used to be). So annoying after just typing out a mssg. Also the call history screen is trying to be too cute and it's not nearly as functional as the old design (i can't find a way to see my missed/outgoing/incoming calls broken down).
It seems to be very annoying when versions jump so fast from one to the next , before the current/previous version is even optimized. I'm not as into the bleeding edge stuff, i really prefer something that is reliable and just works WELL. It just feels to me like the Touch Pro development stuff moves so fast (at least compared to my experience at the end w my Hermes), but at least others seem to be having good success.
I am trying some of these suggestions now and report back soon. Thank you so much friends!
yeah lots of battery indicators seem to cause problems i had one that ran along the top of the screen it didnt seem to be a problem for a while then it started making the phone lag and freeze constantly
took it off and everything was fine
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I do love that type of notifier though, my eyes so easily find it on the screen so if anyone knows a similar app, please let me know.
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*sadness*
me too
What is wrong with this? My current ROM, like most ROMs, started off fast as anything. And it is still relatively fast, it is just it has immense trouble with Text Messages, and crashes frequently when I try to use them.
Is this a Windows 6.5 problem? Is this a Windows problem? Is this a TouchFlo 3D problem? Why does it just gunk up and become almost unusable so much? I love Windows Mobile, but I just wish it would work.
Guess I'll be flashing it again soon.
well 6.5 roms around are still beta roms
so they are bound to have some issues
also if you install other programs which slow
your device down then slow is what you get
I don't install programs to slow my phone down. And I don't install many programs. Beejive and Opera are all I install. But I still have to soft reset my phone very often.
My Windows 6.1 ROMs had the same issue, except everything was slow as can be.
Try the process of elimination. Flash the phone, after it finishes and gets to the part where you align the screen, HARD RESET it again. Let it proceed til it is finished. As much as a pain in the rear, DON'T install ANYTHING other than what it came with, & DON'T tweak anything. Run it for a couple days and see what happens. If it is ok, install ONLY one program, run it for a few days and so on, adding programs one at a time, using it for a day or two and see if you spot anything. If it continues to run ok, then tweak one thing at a time.
If, on the other hand, a bare install, it still locks up, try just a different radio, or, take it all the way back the way it came from the factory, including the radio, and the SPL. Then, install (if it is an at&t phone) the factory issued update, and see what happens. If it still is acting up, warranty it for another one, sounds like a hardware problem.
Tracking down intermittent problems is a PITA, but, you have to have a lot of patience, and try things one at a time to see what is causing the problem.
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Try the process of elimination. Flash the phone, after it finishes and gets to the part where you align the screen, HARD RESET it again. Let it proceed til it is finished. As much as a pain in the rear, DON'T install ANYTHING other than what it came with, & DON'T tweak anything. Run it for a couple days and see what happens. If it is ok, install ONLY one program, run it for a few days and so on, adding programs one at a time, using it for a day or two and see if you spot anything. If it continues to run ok, then tweak one thing at a time.
If, on the other hand, a bare install, it still locks up, try just a different radio, or, take it all the way back the way it came from the factory, including the radio, and the SPL. Then, install (if it is an at&t phone) the factory issued update, and see what happens. If it still is acting up, warranty it for another one, sounds like a hardware problem.
Tracking down intermittent problems is a PITA, but, you have to have a lot of patience, and try things one at a time to see what is causing the problem.
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Hey, thanks for the advice. While you're here, what do you think of radios? My latest flash, the internet runs EXTREMELY hot on my phone, and it's never come close to that hot before. Think I could process of elimination solve this with new radios? Or new roms?
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I don't install programs to slow my phone down. And I don't install many programs. Beejive and Opera are all I install. But I still have to soft reset my phone very often.
My Windows 6.1 ROMs had the same issue, except everything was slow as can be.
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I can confirm major issues with 6.5 roms and beejive. However, I cannot remember what actually took place because I removed beejive from my device within an hour of installing it.
I guess it could be the radio. If one isn't up to snuff, and can't capture the signal then it might be trying to increase the power of the phone (transmitter) to get a good capture. I'm not up to snuff on the cellular radio, but, if it works the way I think it does, the phone uses the least amount of "RF" to get a good lock on the tower, so if the radio isn't "hearing" the tower, it has to crank up the power (even though these things only output less than a watt), the more power, the higher the drain on the battery. I had really good luck with the
1.02.25.19 Raphael radio, which fixed a bug I was having (and a lot of other people) with the GPS not locking. I then tried the newer 1.14.25.35 Raphael
radio, but, went back to the .19 radio because I was experiencing issues
with it not locking in HSPDA mode. It only wanted to lock in Edge only.
Tried flashing it several different ways, hard resets etc, no dice. I've
seen posts where two people have basically the same phone, but the same
radios won't work. Screwy...
Also, it will also depend on where you are located as to how hot your phone
might get. If you are at the fringe of a tower location, it's going to take more power. You might try, if your phone is locking in [H], to go into the comm manager, and switch off the 3G radio and, even though the internet will be slower, see if it still gets hot. If it doesn't, then that might be the issue, you're at the fringe of an HSPDA signal.
Try a different radio, can't hurt, and you can always flash back to the original radio, if you have it downloaded.
thehyecircus said:
Hey, thanks for the advice. While you're here, what do you think of radios? My latest flash, the internet runs EXTREMELY hot on my phone, and it's never come close to that hot before. Think I could process of elimination solve this with new radios? Or new roms?
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redbandana said:
I can confirm major issues with 6.5 roms and beejive. However, I cannot remember what actually took place because I removed beejive from my device within an hour of installing it.
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Beejive had a little issue a few weeks ago with logging on. I wanted to get a site-wide quest through the code or settings to see what it was using to log in.
But the issue is fixed, and Beejive works 100% the same it did on 6.1
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I guess it could be the radio. If one isn't up to snuff, and can't capture the signal then it might be trying to increase the power of the phone (transmitter) to get a good capture. I'm not up to snuff on the cellular radio, but, if it works the way I think it does, the phone uses the least amount of "RF" to get a good lock on the tower, so if the radio isn't "hearing" the tower, it has to crank up the power (even though these things only output less than a watt), the more power, the higher the drain on the battery. I had really good luck with the
1.02.25.19 Raphael radio, which fixed a bug I was having (and a lot of other people) with the GPS not locking. I then tried the newer 1.14.25.35 Raphael
radio, but, went back to the .19 radio because I was experiencing issues
with it not locking in HSPDA mode. It only wanted to lock in Edge only.
Tried flashing it several different ways, hard resets etc, no dice. I've
seen posts where two people have basically the same phone, but the same
radios won't work. Screwy...
Also, it will also depend on where you are located as to how hot your phone
might get. If you are at the fringe of a tower location, it's going to take more power. You might try, if your phone is locking in [H], to go into the comm manager, and switch off the 3G radio and, even though the internet will be slower, see if it still gets hot. If it doesn't, then that might be the issue, you're at the fringe of an HSPDA signal.
Try a different radio, can't hurt, and you can always flash back to the original radio, if you have it downloaded.
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Well, see, on other flashes, my phone did not get this hot. Not unless I had it on all night playing videos on my TV. Now it burns up in seconds. So I really doubt it's the radio... but I don't know what would make it do this.
thehyecircus said:
Well, see, on other flashes, my phone did not get this hot. Not unless I had it on all night playing videos on my TV. Now it burns up in seconds. So I really doubt it's the radio... but I don't know what would make it do this.
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I had the same issue when I was flashing multiple ROMs till I read the thread about the rildll sticky on the first page of the ROM development section fo the forums. Once I installed the right cab file from the thread to my phone the issue was solved.
barrydavisjr said:
I had the same issue when I was flashing multiple ROMs till I read the thread about the rildll sticky on the first page of the ROM development section fo the forums. Once I installed the right cab file from the thread to my phone the issue was solved.
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Okay I checked the thread out (even the "what is rildill?) but I am a little confused over what this is, and how I find the right one for my phone.
And I just install the CAB and I'm good? It sounds like it could be very dangerous...
depending on which radio you installed, you'll want to make sure you have the right rilphone file. I think if you install the wrong one, it won't work at all (as a phone anyway)..
The thing is, I never installed a radio. That is what confuses me about this sudden really hotness of my phone.
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Same happened to me in the past and now, well I have to live with it. "Black Screen of Death"
I tried upgrade the radio, and it seems to occur less often and has never happened if I use Energy Titanium 21916 (the version without sense).
It especially happens very often if I use beautiful roms, the eye candy ones sense 2.5 29022.
It happen to all the lovely roms from Mighty, Energy, Sharkie I really would love to use.
The only rom recommend you is the Energy Titanium 21916, though it does not look pro like other glossy ones but it's the most mighty.
One thing you may try is to set it to just CDMA or GSM and at the same time use Bandswitch 2.9 and just force it to stick to what you ask it to do (UMITS or 3G). I do this and it seems to solve the probem.
Good luck
loithuxua said:
I tried upgrade the radio, and it seems to occur less often and has never happened if I use Energy Titanium 21916 (the version without sense).
One thing you may try is to set it to just CDMA or GSM and at the same time use Bandswitch 2.9 and just force it to stick to what you ask it to do (UMITS or 3G). I do this and it seems to solve the probem.
Good luck
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I'm currently using energy titanium 21916. It's still happened to me. Though now it no longer freezes on the standby screen, instead it will not allow me to lock the screen (turns back on again straight away) and no other applications will launch. Effectively requiring me to remove the battery
Bandswitch 2.9 is not free, what does it do exactly? just force a certain frequency?
I found a setting in the rom somewhere to force GSM & 900+2100mhz frequency though it hasn't seemed to help.
I have the exact same issue. Mine started on 8/26 right after I dropped my phone. I've been using XDAndroid as well as this is the only way the phone works properly. As soon as the screen shuts off in Windows, it will not come back on no matter what I try, but everything else works including answering/redialing/ending calls. I'm assuming it's some type of file corruption somewhere since the battery popped out when it fell (which has happened many times). The issue was present from the first power on after the drop. Hopefully someone has an answer to how this can be fixed. Won't matter much if we get a NAND update soon!
thought I should post an update, i've stuck with energy rom titanium 6.1 for now and thus far its been ok. I've not had it freeze after standby, rather it'll refuse to turn the screen off (comes straight back on). But thats because the phone is busy doing whatever it does. If I wait a few seconds it's usually ok
This is still usually caused by the phone after a call, whereby it may hang for some seconds or a minute. I know its not the most ideal solution but it may help narrow down a possible cause. It may or may not be the radio itself at fault but if it is, the freezing is rather a result of the OS. Perhaps the radio is sending something and titanium is able to process whatever it is (albeit slowly) whereas other roms just tend to get stuck on it
I know its not the most ideal solution but giving energy rom titanium a go might be worthwhile if your phone is as crucial to you as it is to me. Besides, i'm actually quite happy with titanium now, it's certainly A LOT faster than sense. And with a drop down menu vs regular start screen it's more intuitive and faster to get around as well
The problem's solved with 6.1 version with SPB mobile shell. Phone works fine now.