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Dear all,
Due to the proliferation of new ROM's, the Wizard forum is in need of a bit of housekeeping. The mods cannot do this alone, so we are asking for your help.
1) The four most used kitchens have been stickied for the moment and questions regarding any ROM's you cook based on these kitchens should be posted in the appropriate thread. Please do not start a separate thread. Anichillus Core Professional kitchen is also found in the Development and Hacking forum since it is used for multiple devices and is beyond the scope of many basic users. Users beware. I may de-sticky the kitchens upon further discussions with the mods, but right now the structure will stand as it is.
2) On the same note, I'm asking for kitchen authors to notify me or other mods concerning useless posts in these threads (e.g. Why didn't you include "x" application? or posts that are inflammatory or non-technical in nature). They will promptly be deleted as we shouldn't have to wade through 20 posts of BS to get to relevant tech info.
3) All of the kitchens stickied are based wholly or in part on Bepe's tools and are of the same basic architecture. Therefore no more kitchens will be stickied unless they are truly unique or offer a substantially more comprehensive interface.
4) Also, it's sometimes better for a lot of people to refine one ROM than for a few people to refine a lot of ROM's. I know there are a thousand aspiring cooks out there right now since the kitchens have been released. You may be tempted to release your own ROM to the masses either because you think it's a great ROM or because you want to be known around the board. Resist the temptation. Unless your ROM offers a very innovative user experience (e.g. Touch), it is not likely to get a huge following and might just cause more confusion for the non-developers on this board, you might do better to try to collaborate with some fellow developers in creating a very good ROM.
5) MOST IMPORTANTLY (and you know who I'm talking to). Some people have repeatedly posted in this forum despite the fact that their posts had nothing to do with Windows Mobile 6 specific issues on the Wizard (i.e "My Herald..." or ("Do you have this software from a Nokia?"). We will issue 3 warnings through PM's but after that you might be up for a temporary ban. This will only happen if you're a repeat offender. Heck we've all posted in the wrong place at one point or another. If possible we may move the post to a more appropriate location but it would save everyone a lot of work and aggravation if the posts are made in the correct forum.
I hope this helps a bit. If you have suggestions for how we can make this place better, please air them here. If you have a complaint with a mod, please PM me first. I don't like public conflict and most of you don't either.
jwzg said:
Dear all,
5) MOST IMPORTANTLY (and you know who I'm talking to)..
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not nice.,...
btw.
upgrade forum to allow people REMOVE own posts/topics, first.
Users can manage, with proper USUAL forum options, too.
smells like we vs. THEM,again,.
"same architecture" - yup, yup, but why i can see potential with new user cook result, and i can't with older builds?
it is random novadays(lack of your knowledge + newbie enthusiasm can make miracles).
I agree that a strong hand is needed. For this i suggest that there should be a special part in the forum where to move threads that have no replies for hmm...30 days ...?
I don't know too much stuff about forums but i think that would mean a nasty job for you guys so...just a suggestion. Or better...delete them or move them to an sort of recycle bin.
Regarding switching to a new upgraded forum, i think that would be an immense hard work also and it will leave the community off line for few days. It may be needed to come to that soon but that's not a big problem.
But i agree that allowing people to delete their own posts would be nice. But on the other hand, considering hours i spent here reading, i kinda got used to this look
I will PM you with posts to delete but beware that i may be more strict than you and i don't want to waste your time...so i will filter myself.
And one more thing to add to this. The original "Wizard" forum has some sort of bug because whenever you open it, there arent more than two pages in it, so older posts are mysteriously made invisible though the front page at forums.xda-developers.com shows that number of threads in it are in thousands..maybe users dont post the general questions there because they think (or know) that if they dont get a reply within a day, their post is going to go into oblivion and not be answered...
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not nice.,...
btw.
upgrade forum to allow people REMOVE own posts/topics, first.
Users can manage, with proper USUAL forum options, too.
smells like we vs. THEM,again,.
"same architecture" - yup, yup, but why i can see potential with new user cook result, and i can't with older builds?
it is random novadays(lack of your knowledge + newbie enthusiasm can make miracles).
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You are reading this wrong. I had about four or five posters who after two or three moved threads and a couple of PM's continued to post totally irrelevant posts in the Wizard Mobile 6 thread. I this was aimed at repeat offenders and not at the occasional screwup. By they way, you can modify your post or ask a mod to move it if you like. Not a big deal.
I'm not trying to be a jerk at all, but I'm not trying to be nice either. I just see the same old builds with different package combo's that anyone could make with the kitchen and a little ingenuity. However, folks like Zoki and the-equinoxe have done some fine things with the touch software that are truly innovative and add substance to the user experience. I for one have partially adapted the T-Mobile wing OEM package to the Wizard (yes camera too, but the image is transposed and my-faves doesn't work). That's true ROM cooking and not just throwing a few packages into a cooker and presto.
It is not "us" against them. It's those who have a bit more experience actually doing our best to take this forum up another level instead of settling for ssdd.
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And one more thing to add to this. The original "Wizard" forum has some sort of bug because whenever you open it, there arent more than two pages in it, so older posts are mysteriously made invisible though the front page at forums.xda-developers.com shows that number of threads in it are in thousands..maybe users dont post the general questions there because they think (or know) that if they dont get a reply within a day, their post is going to go into oblivion and not be answered...
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I'm working on this...
all the old versions of Roms should be deleted too...like the very first wm6 roms theres no need for them
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And one more thing to add to this. The original "Wizard" forum has some sort of bug because whenever you open it, there arent more than two pages in it, so older posts are mysteriously made invisible though the front page at forums.xda-developers.com shows that number of threads in it are in thousands..maybe users dont post the general questions there because they think (or know) that if they dont get a reply within a day, their post is going to go into oblivion and not be answered...
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Fixed by admin. Thanks for the heads up.
ANTC said:
all the old versions of Roms should be deleted too...like the very first wm6 roms theres no need for them
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I disagree. There is history and things that can be found in those threads... Unless XDA-Developers is hurting for space, what is actually removed needs to be really determined that it isn't something that may help. I just did a Google search (I've given up trying to use the search here, easier to use Google's advanced searching techniques in most cases) and found an answer in the original Crossbow thread from January. Just deleting stuff because its "Old" is a bad idea IMO... Getting rid of the hundreds of "Help, I bricked my phone!" threads is even questionable as I wonder how many people have fixed a phone due to those and never posted anything here...
Remember there area a LOT of people that read and never post here. Yeah, it gets old answering the same questions over and over again (so I've taken the route where I've quit answering some of those.
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I disagree. There is history and things that can be found in those threads... Unless XDA-Developers is hurting for space, what is actually removed needs to be really determined that it isn't something that may help. I just did a Google search (I've given up trying to use the search here, easier to use Google's advanced searching techniques in most cases) and found an answer in the original Crossbow thread from January. Just deleting stuff because its "Old" is a bad idea IMO... Getting rid of the hundreds of "Help, I bricked my phone!" threads is even questionable as I wonder how many people have fixed a phone due to those and never posted anything here...
Remember there area a LOT of people that read and never post here. Yeah, it gets old answering the same questions over and over again (so I've taken the route where I've quit answering some of those.
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true i guess I worded my statement wrong I ment delete old Rom threads like the different versions of roms...i have no need for my version 1-3.5 beta threads you see what i mean...and I think we should have a bricked phone help thread I even wrote a quick tut on my other site to save a bricked MDA..you understand were im getting at
Gulp - I hope I didn't start something we will all regret with my post "Why all these new WM6 ROMs?" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=313781
Let us not forget that apart from a very few idiots this is a great place to be. I have learnt a lot from this forum considering that I do not have a background in computing.
It has even stimulated my interest to the extent that I have assembled my own computer. Didn't save me money and my wife cannot understand it but I have ended up with exactly what I wanted which a store built machine could not have given me.
I hope you understand the analogy.
Let's just make sure that "We don't throw out the baby with the bath water".
No, you didn't start anything scotch whiskey that hadn't already been brewing a bit. I think my modified OP is a little nicer, but still gets the point across.
ANTC said:
true i guess I worded my statement wrong I ment delete old Rom threads like the different versions of roms...i have no need for my version 1-3.5 beta threads you see what i mean...and I think we should have a bricked phone help thread I even wrote a quick tut on my other site to save a bricked MDA..you understand were im getting at
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I agree with both you and mfrazzz.
What if someone doesn't want to use the latest version of a ROM, they don't like some changes or whatever, they will need those older threads for reference material. Also I notice lots of people asking questions, only to be referred to older threads. There isn't any use reinventing the wheel so to speak.
I think a good idea would be for developers (or just real supportive people) to make kind of an FAQ for some of these older versions, a "best of" list of questions and answers. It can be posted in the forum, it can be on some website somewhere, or in the XDA FTP, whatever. Not only would it give people a good place to refer to, but it might also eventually lead to a cut-down of basically the same questions.
Only then would I think removing older threads be a good idea. I know that wasn't entirely the point of this thread, but hey, mr smart guy back there decided to take a shot so I am too. I for one am right in there with him, I think its THE MAN against US. Oh yes, yes it is. oh noes. <3
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Only then would I think removing older threads be a good idea. I know that wasn't entirely the point of this thread, but hey, mr smart guy back there decided to take a shot so I am too. I for one am right in there with him, I think its THE MAN against US. Oh yes, yes it is. oh noes. <3
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Guys, it's NOT the man against anyone. We'd just like to get some real development going on here instead of everyone releasing slightly different versions of the same ROM.
I don't like this talk
Everybody should have the right to publish his work, no matter what hi did.
The rest will judge his work and he will learn something. Only those who didn't do anything can't understand this.
Old topics should remain, I like to jump back to learn something, for new members old topics is a must.
If you must do something to show us you're administrator rights, do something good, like option to close the thread.
Zoki, no one said members can't publish their work. I just honestly believe more of it should be along the lines of what you did with the touch stuff. I truly admire your work because it was bleeding edge (still may be) and that's developing which is why this board exists. I'm not trying to flatter you here to gain your support either. It's just when people throw your name all over a splash screen it doesn't really make it their work since most all of the ROM's here are cooked using kitchens from other authors with packages from other members and yes, even HTC. If that sounds big-brother-ish, it's not intended that way. Just make sure credit is given to the quite literally hundreds of people who've made this possible. We're already having problems in other forums right now with people asking for donations in return for tech support for ROM's they've cooked with other's tools. That is one of the many issues we're trying to be proactive about here.
Regarding closing threads, I'm not an administrator, and they have chosen not to give OP's the rights to close their threads. If you want your thread closed, please PM me and I have the rights close it quickly. If you want someone else's thread closed, well, you can request it, but it may or may not happen.
BTW, the old threads were not deleted, and I strongly believe they shouldn't be. Admin simply made a mistake in a setting, and all of the old threads are visible as per our request.
As a mod, I'm just trying to do my best to make sure that we have an orderly forum and we are developing, which is the forum's purpose.
hey jwzg we aren't really calling you a bad person, we know you're looking out for us I agree though, the roms are starting to look the same except for one or two programs, and the splash screens. It would be better for people to just explain what was in a new ROM scheme they came up with, and it would encourage more people to start learning how to make their own ROMs, therefore making them more intellectual in this particular field, which is a good thing. knowledge is power. But hey its just my opinion!
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Guys, it's NOT the man against anyone. We'd just like to get some real development going on here instead of everyone releasing slightly different versions of the same ROM.
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just to let you know that the REAL develepor regrets now releasing the rom kitchen tools....
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the roms are starting to look the same except for one or two programs, and the splash screens.
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sorry i am noone for you all, my "senior" member status sounds like joke but...
everything is the same imo now, also, theres no real help lately; only people that can have answers are like "how to flash my phoooone", "did i brickeeeeed?" etc.
there's no real customisation of "custom" builds.
seems like checking some oempacks' ticks is making these current OSes special...
i can't get an answer for my problems, despite i tend to help people someOM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322228
i spent MONTH to make this, and what?
nobody wants to help.
ok, clean this forum up, you may remove my babbling now....
everything i know bout wizard customisation is from that site...but now, in "touch" soft times, there's nothing that makes wizard better, just nothing.
it became playground for kids or what...
sorry for funny english, i cant do better...
i want to say thank you to:
Faria,
Anichillus,
mattk_r
jwzg
double_ofour
zoki
and many many more people that made me ..learning, not copying.
allright, time to watch another touch skin post...
Myself i've been reading most of the time, only lately did i start posting to test some bugs in builds. The issue at hand is a double edged sword. Yes i solved many problems wading through old posts. But i also solved a lot of issues just reading an entire thread. I will never be able to create a kitchen but it sure is nice knowing that when i want to i can build a rom entirely to my liking. But indeed to many Build threads these day are the same. And most of the issues handled, but then spread across multiple build threads, are mostly about the same problems. Mainly issues with specific base roms and aplication incompatibilities. I think a lot of the solving of these issues is slowed down because of the spread through topics. Maybe setting up a rule that Roms that get posted and aren't updated or have any fixes posted should not be taken seriously and can be deleted. This way less Rom versions circulate the thread and only higher quality builds by Chefs are available. Also a good rule might be to have the cooks post more info about the sources and tools used for their builds, like Kitchen used, Base used, Patches used oem packages used. So new users more easily understand that no Rom has no history. It also takes away the polish of parading with your ego. Maybe even changing the main wizard topics into
1. Kitchen Development
2. How To & Troubleshooting
3. Rom Builds testing
4. Custom Made Software & tweaks
5. Hardware and Accesoires
6. To be Deleted (either move topics or delete them when re/placed into new main topics)
Then indeed phase out unneeded old posts if the information is passed into new threads that accordingly aknowledge the sources.
What i'm trying to say is, to change the perception a bit more that this is not a Technical support site and more of a doing site.
I think the main topics can set an expectation and the current ones don't give the impression that flashing is not kids biznz.
Also it looks like there are to many uploads of the same home screens, software etc. (i think even i am quilty of that).
I'm all for a big clean up but with the focus on retaining the history and origin as much as possible even if it means loosing a few classic threads.
You as admin can set the tone and expectation and a clear message should be sent to junior cooks that collaboration is what drives this site.
Build 19199 or Build 5.2.19716 updated FEB 20.2008 seems to be the newer one?
i personally prefer 19716 build but you can try both and figure it out. there was no need to open a whole new thread just 4 this question.
It's a perfectly valid question dude.
Like most people I am frustrated by people asking the same questions again and again, but I am concerned that this forum is in danger of heading down a bad road by bashing noobs at every opportunity.
Rabangus said:
It's a perfectly valid question dude.
Like most people I am frustrated by people asking the same questions again and again, but I am concerned that this forum is in danger of heading down a bad road by bashing noobs at every opportunity.
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Yes it's a perfectly valid question to ask in Dutty's thread about his ROM not creating a whole new thread about it.
totally agree.
You could argue this is like asking a parent which one of their kids they like the most!
Best thing is to try both and see which you prefer. There will be advocates for both.
ps don't try that with your kids. it will end you up in jail.
I use each rom on my 2 tilts. I feel that 197 is more stable. 191 sometimes freeze if you push some buttons whil they are booting up. doesn't happen to 197.
No disrespect to anyone here on the board, but Dutty's thread is quickly becoming useless to me. I'm not going to weed through 330+ pages of replies to try to follow a conversation or find a piece of information in there. That thread is quickly becoming it's own universe.
I'm glad this thread was started - It's good information for me that I wouldn't have otherwise found.
Regards,
Jeff
trick420 said:
No disrespect to anyone here on the board, but Dutty's thread is quickly becoming useless to me. I'm not going to weed through 330+ pages of replies to try to follow a conversation or find a piece of information in there. That thread is quickly becoming it's own universe.
I'm glad this thread was started - It's good information for me that I wouldn't have otherwise found.
Regards,
Jeff
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Here's the point....I garuntee if you post in there with a question it will be answered...there's no point in making a new thread....that's all I'm saying.
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Here's the point....I garuntee if you post in there with a question it will be answered...there's no point in making a new thread....that's all I'm saying.
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Posted a question ... no answer.
That thread is bull....
It took me 5 minutes to even find my posting.
The thread might make sense if someone was moderating it ... meaning putting questions into the first post with links to answers. But this? Bull!
coolVariable said:
Posted a question ... no answer.
That thread is bull....
It took me 5 minutes to even find my posting.
The thread might make sense if someone was moderating it ... meaning putting questions into the first post with links to answers. But this? Bull!
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Yeah, all threads suffer from this, and I'm also totally agreeing with you, I'm also in the same situation, cannot read hundreds of posts and pages of every ROM thread to find out if it's a suitable one to upgrade to. Trying out so many ROMs until satisfied is not an option for me (ok, I'd admit trying a few, but not every version of every flavour of wm6.1), I want to find one to get rid of my german wm6.0 and have iGo still working, and no issues more than with 6.0.
An updated FAQ in the beginning posts of the respective threads would be useful, but even better, real wiki articles (not just links back to forum threads). Don't want to upset people who discovered the Internet just when these forums where already around, but on mailing lists information and discussions where easier to follow and filter...
Just my 0.2€...
Back to the question: which is the best?
Let me tell you: the new 19716 RTM out to come soon will be the best and fastest ever!!!
Seeing as the admins here are stubbornly refusing to create a dedicated sub forum for the x7510, I've set up a free forum which may be found here: http://htcathena.freeforums.org
Please note: I don't WANT to be running a seperate board and I'd prefer to have a sub forum here. However, for as long as the admins ignore our requests I'll keep that forum running.
Should a dedicated x7510 sub forum be created here I will close that forum down. Closing down may be deleting it, or if there were many useful posts simply preventing new posts, so that it dies a slower death over time.
This is NOT an attempt at blackmail, but rather me trying to avoid more devices being bricked.
PS: Please excuse the ads on that site - I've gone with the completely free option, so I'm saddled with the ads!
What's the big deal?
NanoRuler said:
Seeing as the admins here are stubbornly refusing to create a dedicated sub forum for the x7510, I've set up a free forum which may be found here: http://htcathena.freeforums.org
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What reason could the xda admins possibly have for not creating a sub-forum for the 7510? Or even an entirely new forum? Look at the Elf and the Vogue.
Anyone know the admins' reasoning on this?
Isn't in my mod powers to create a sub section... I am asking to the admins, again. I hope we will have some answers soon
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Isn't in my mod powers to create a sub section... I am asking to the admins, again. I hope we will have some answers soon
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Thank you, although I have to say at this stage I'm quite annoyed with the admins, especially seeing as they cannot even be bothered to respond to any request!
elf and vogue are totally different devices which happen to look the same
one is cdma and one is gsm and they work in totally different ways. the vogue has 400mhz prcessor and the elf 201mhz
also to be perfectly honest, how can people not tell the difference between x7510 and x7500/x7501
you bought a device that cost £700 (according to expansys) so surely you know its model name. and because of the cost, if you see x7500/x7501 unlocker you will be wary of using it, even if you think its a typing error
and on the subject of the elf, the elf has 2 variants elf (64 ram and 128 rom) and elfin (128 ram and 256 rom)
both are different and only the elf has hard spl
flashing one rom for one onto the other will brick it
so the same probs as here
but they deal with it and have stickies saying how to distinguish between them and where to go for hat, and seperate guides for flashing roms onto the elf and elfin etc etc
so maybe thats whats neded here
i think the admins are probably fed up of people requesting fora only to have them empty:gene, pharos, juno, sedna are all pretty empty forums that were massively requested and yet not much comes out of them
and now i just counted the votes in the "we want an x7510 section" thread nd there are 33 in 3 months
yes 33
not exactly a huge number is it
But you may all think im just raining on your parade, but im not, I completely understand why you want a new section, but im just trying to highlight why the admins probably dont want it, there are so many new devices which have massive appeal, compared to a £700 device which is essentially an 18 month old device in new casing.
And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed. Plus, cmones seemed keen to make (or try and make) you guys a hard spl, so why doesnt someone whose a senior (or old) member contact HER and see what she can come up with. she will probably need rom dumps and stuff, but I'm sure she can do it. after all she and others got custom roms on the shift.
night guys, and I hope it works out for you all, and nobody else bricks their devices...
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And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed. Plus, cmones seemed keen to make (or try and make) you guys a hard spl, so why doesnt someone whose a senior (or old) member contact HER and see what she can come up with. she will probably need rom dumps and stuff, but I'm sure she can do it. after all she and others got custom roms on the shift.
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Now THAT was helpful! Why didn't anybody else think about it!
But seriously, CMONEX confirmed she is working on a hard SPL/unlocker and happens to agree with the need for a seperate sub-forum, for a number of valid reasons.
The thing is that a sub-forum will not affect anybody else on XDA-Devs - it won't require more resources, nor more bandwidth. It takes a minute to set up and it may well save several devices.
So please tell me in great detail why there SHOULDN'T be a seperate sub-forum? Why SHOULDN'T things be better organised than the current "pile-everything-into-one-pot" mess? And how exactly will YOU be any worse off should a sub-forum be created?
You will be worse off, won't you? Why else would you be against it?
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Why SHOULDN'T things be better organised than the current "pile-everything-into-one-pot" mess?
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I agree with you on that, NanoRuler. E.g. without the latest Athena ROM link by sergiopi (thanks for it), I wasn't even able to compare all existing ROMs for the x7500 at a glance, there are too many threads spread over the entire forum.
Regarding the x7510, a new sub forum would possibly give a better overview. It hasn't been of major importance until now, but it will become necessary very fast, once the x7510 can be unlocked...we should get prepared for that moment. ;-)
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also to be perfectly honest, how can people not tell the difference between x7510 and x7500/x7501
you bought a device that cost £700 (according to expansys) so surely you know its model name. and because of the cost, if you see x7500/x7501 unlocker you will be wary of using it, even if you think its a typing error
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Yes, except there was no indication NOT to run various tools against the x7510.
rorydaredkign said:
but they deal with it and have stickies saying how to distinguish between them and where to go for hat, and seperate guides for flashing roms onto the elf and elfin etc etc
so maybe thats whats neded here
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My, what an excellent example of good organisation....NOT. Maybe what's required is a rethink in how the forums are structured, eh? And maybe having distinct sub forums for the different models of Athena will help a great deal.
rorydaredkign said:
and now i just counted the votes in the "we want an x7510 section" thread nd there are 33 in 3 months
yes 33
not exactly a huge number is it
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I suggest you go and count again, bearing in mind there are actually requests in different places (perhaps another fringe benefit of piss-poor organisation?)
rorydaredkign said:
I completely understand why you want a new section
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Sure, buddy. You have me COMPLETELY convinced that you have our best interests at heart.
rorydaredkign said:
And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed.
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And that will sort out the mess how exactly?
rorydaredkign said:
night guys, and I hope it works out for you all, and nobody else bricks their devices...
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Let me re-phrase your sentiment: I don't want you guys to benefit from a seperate section (even though I'm not directly affected!) and I certainly don't want things to become more organised and anyway there's so few of you that your opinion doesn't matter, but hey, here's to no more bricked devices!
I'll be polite here and let you choose the 1st word, but the second word of my reply is certainly "OFF!"
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I agree with you on that, NanoRuler. E.g. without the latest Athena ROM link by sergiopi (thanks for it), I wasn't even able to compare all existing ROMs for the x7500 at a glance, there are too many threads spread over the entire forum.
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you think thee are lots of roms here, go look at damond rom development and then tell us there are loads of roms here...
I really dont mind or care if theres a seperate section, but I can see why you want one, and also why the admins havent made it
I think a seperate section would actually help dev for us, as we could use your roms and port between the two and stuff.. it would lead to a better dev community here
nano, don't take your anger out on rory. He's not a mod and undeserving of your "**** off".
How about you have a few drinks and relax?
techntrek said:
nano, don't take your anger out on rory. He's not a mod and undeserving of your "**** off".
How about you have a few drinks and relax?
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Yes, he's not a mod, but he also did not need to try and build a case against the wishes of quite a few members here using poorly thought out strategies.
He was dismissive without having any reason to be and essentially stated that our opinion doesn't matter (although he didn't quite put it in those words).
Finally, I specifically did NOT tell him to **** off, but gave him some choice in the phrase.
Either somebody's part of the solution...
fair play
hope it works out for you guys
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Further discussion here:
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Mike
ive been looking over the forums for months now. i see people ask questions. and instead of given anwsers they are slammed because they should of researched first. Why? isnt it easier to just anwser a question than wasting a post saying you should of read first? if most people are like me (and i assume they are) they dont have time to search through thousands of posts just to find a possible anwser to their questions. the rom threads are getting too long 250+ posts average. and very often going on and off topic. so i guess what i am proposing is sub forums. let "Cooks" apply for a sub forum. not juyst any cook. but if they are making an honest to goodness contribution to the community i think it would help find information a lot easier. yes i know the forums have a search feature. but this it can still be difficult to sift throught the information.
so something like
xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser ROM development > JossKoss
xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser ROM development > Arnyl
xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser ROM development > MedKid
any roms a cook makes could have its own thread. and anything in the subforum would pertain to that particular person. now im not saying give one to just any person that half cooks a rom. it could even be based on a threashhold if the rom gets so many posts .. 200. or by votes. or just by the cooks reputation. that way people can post new threads inside the subforums without it getting moved into the thread with thousands of posts.
i dont make the decisions. im just posting something i think would help sort information and make it easier to find. that way if i have a problem with x rom. instead of reading through one thread there is a thread for each problem. then it is easy to see if that problem im having is an issue with other people. and if its been resolved. give the cook mod status of the particular sub forum and they can moderate it themselfs. so if you agree vote Agree on the poll if you dont vote Disagree on the poll.
My friend, although your spirit is so good, but your means doesn't justify your ends. We need more cooks & not three of them. This will make things more unequal. We could have had it in the form of kitchens thread but believe me even that doesn't justify its goal. What if someone like me cooks a ROM & I may have to tell mods to make another sub-thread for me, then do you think I will be able to answer all the threads which will come up related to issues of my ROM? Wonder all things getting messed up. Nothing more nothing less bro. Make it more lean & it will solve many problems. Good Luck bro. Appreciating your suggestions again.
sakshamkatyal said:
My friend, although your spirit is so good, but your means doesn't justify your ends. We need more cooks & not three of them. This will make things more unequal. We could have had it in the form of kitchens thread but believe me even that doesn't justify its goal. What if someone like me cooks a ROM & I may have to tell mods to make another sub-thread for me, then do you think I will be able to answer all the threads which will come up related to issues of my ROM? Wonder all things getting messed up. Nothing more nothing less bro. Make it more lean & it will solve many problems. Good Luck bro. Appreciating your suggestions again.
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Hey bro you wanna drink some natty ice, play some game cube?
on topic... I think it sounds like a pretty solid idea, would help with a lot of the organizational problems.
Cooks come and go! It sure wont make sense to have a sub-forum for them! If you follow xda for a while, you will understand what I am talking about.
What a load of faffing about......
Mods don't get paid and would make more work for them as more to cover.
For all the info people get from XDA is free, so maybe a bit of searching isn't that bad if you want something bad enough you will find it.
Peace.
sakshamkatyal said:
My friend, although your spirit is so good, but your means doesn't justify your ends. We need more cooks & not three of them. This will make things more unequal. We could have had it in the form of kitchens thread but believe me even that doesn't justify its goal. What if someone like me cooks a ROM & I may have to tell mods to make another sub-thread for me, then do you think I will be able to answer all the threads which will come up related to issues of my ROM? Wonder all things getting messed up. Nothing more nothing less bro. Make it more lean & it will solve many problems. Good Luck bro. Appreciating your suggestions again.
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well first off if you are cooking roms to release to the public , then yes you should beable to anwser most questions that arise.
and second as i stated dont just give anyone a subforum only the cooks that truly contribute. only the serious cooks that have proven themselfs.
but the kitcens have truly gotten too easy for just anyone to make their own rom. and this would also help identify who the trusted / established cooks that know what they are doing are.
stylez said:
What a load of faffing about......
Mods don't get paid and would make more work for them as more to cover.
For all the info people get from XDA is free, so maybe a bit of searching isn't that bad if you want something bad enough you will find it.
Peace.
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i also addressed this in my original post
GTZ said:
give the cook mod status of the particular sub forum and they can moderate it themselfs
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GTZ said:
i also addressed this in my original post
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Yes i saw that but Mods still will have to have some control so therefore more work, as not all chefs are online and able to keep threads clean.
To be honest i like it the way it is.
just my 2p's worth.
There has been numerous threads like this generally for the software section to be split... I think XDA is set up the way it is and lets just be happy with the community and wealth of information we have..........
ai6908 said:
Cooks come and go! It sure wont make sense to have a sub-forum for them! If you follow xda for a while, you will understand what I am talking about.
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well what i was saying is give it to the ones that have earned it.
GTZ said:
now im not saying give one to just any person that half cooks a rom. it could even be based on a threashhold if the rom gets so many posts .. 200. or by votes. or just by the cooks reputation.
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if its a well known cook and they have been around for a while i think they have kinda earned it. what im saying would be a little extra work for anyone that would be willing to create the sub forums. it would ultimatly keep roms neater.
you could then have a thread for each rom. build . why should someone read through problems of 21198 then they have been fixed in 21500. there are lots of advantages to adopting this procedure. and very few drawbacks. (yes there are some) . if nothing else lets get some of the cooks opinions.
but i thank each of you for your feedback.
stylez said:
I think XDA is set up the way it is and lets just be happy with the community and wealth of information we have..........
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well i think if we wernt happy with the way it is we wouldnt be here. that doesnt mean there arent things that need improvement this place is constantly growing and its not uncommon for these forums to outgrow the old ways of doing things.
but again i respect your points of view also
It would make more sense for cooks to use a unified thread titling scheme.
For example, the tilt keyboard fix still has a title of [new] or something similar on it when it is years old.
Perhaps a loose standard should be developed so it is easier to find. Note: I spelled out the date so it is obvious to europeans and americans who list them differently. I hate early month dates!!! -----> 4-5-2009 April or May?
[October 15, 2009] - Anryl - WM6.5 25000 - v1
disagree
this is my vote
What are there no mods on duty today ?
Please, not another thread by another noob/ lazy user ? slamming the seniors for telling them to search. Here are the posting rules handed down by our Queen Flar.
1. Search before posting.........this isn't a suggestion or a senior being a jerk or an " unhelpful " post..... IT IS A RULE
2. Please be polite and respect your fellow users.......... the next time a noob gives me a ration of crap about a " wasted post " and " if I can't be helpful then mind my own business " when I instruct him as to the search function and ,as I ALWAYS do, start him in the right direction, I am going to hunt him down and remove his texting thumbs.
4. Post only using a clear subject and message. ........... I swear , if you could type in " help me pleeeeeease " into the search function, it would return over a thousand separate threads . It is this, and the thousands of I tried to search , but it is so haaaaaaard threads, that make searching so hard. Not the lack of information.
I liked it better back in the " old days " when asking a redundant or stupid question or if you were a noob that dared lash out after getting told to search, you would get drawn, quartered, tarred ,feathered and then set on fire. I lurked on this site from Nov until April when I finally joined, because I was terrified to ask a question. And I am fifty times more knowledgeable because of it . If I needed a question answered, I read and search, and search and read and found my answer. Because ALL the answers are here.
The models may change but the questions are all here. It seems now all you have to do is lash out about how unhelpful this place is, or how hard it is to search or how mean all the seniors are for " wasting my time telling me to search, when in the same time they could have just answered my damn question.", and before you know it , you have people falling all over themselves trying to answer this idiot's question. Because we can't have the noobs thinking we are unfriendly.
I have said it before and I will say it again. This is a library , NOT, HTC Tech support. Much as you would not go to the librarian and say give me all you've got on.....................
You ask the librarian where you would begin your search for................ and you go gather the information for yourself. So when a senior tells you to go search and start here, it is because we are following forum rule and noobs should be directed to also. And If that is not satisfactory to them them they should be directed to HTC Tech support because they are of no benefit to this community.
I like the way it was, is and will be. Search read and search some more, it is up to you to find it , not for the rest of us to fall over ourselves making it yet even easier because ...................
GTZ said:
if most people are like me (and i assume they are) they don't have time to search through thousands of posts just to find a possible answser to their questions.
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..........................i'm just sayin..................................
Okay, I have had my rant and vote, Josh, you can close the thread now
I honestly dont think that is a good idea because it would make it harder for new cooks to get there roms out, if a cook really is as good as you describe (which many are) you will find there roms but yes some cooks do upgrade phones and stop cooking and the sub-topic would then start falling apart and then no one will want to delete it otherwse all of that persons roms will be gone (I guess they could just move the threads actually) But still I think it seems unfair to newer cooks becaue the way it is set up now you can see if another rom starts to gain popularity otherwise everyone would only look at the cooks that have the most experiance.
BTW- I dont know how to cook but it sounds fun and I might want to learn someday if I stop feeling lazy lol so yeah thats one of the reasons I think like this but I guess this could be helpfull in some ways
GTZ said:
well what i was saying is give it to the ones that have earned it.
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There is no such thing as that! We all do this forum for free! So people do it when they find time! Once time is an issue cooks do vanish no matter how good they are! Just dont argue, read and enjoy the forum!
Let's appreciate the idea he had on his very first post, but I think We need to change the place of this discussion as well. Great buddy no more words no more options on my part, just ask anyone from senior members & they will tell you why they don't agree with this idea. They know the trend on this forum. Good Luck but I think this topic needs to be moved out of ROM upgrading atleast.
I think its lazy. You are trying to make stuff easier on yourself and make more work for the people poviding us with great ROMs, basically for free. I'm not sure if youve ever modified a forum but its no easy task. This isnt tech support. I have very few posts but thats because most of the questions are answered somewhere around here. If you dont have time to look, maybe you dont have time to flash. The rules are the rules abie by them.
Bottom line, dont make more work for the cooks, who spend hours and hours cooking for free just because you dont want to search.
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Look at my SIG, especially the WHY ..
If you don't get the spirit, go somewhere else where people are willing to spoonfeed you. This is a developer site, not user site.
I'm not a developer, so what I can contribute is only bug reporting and testing .. and if you're not, have some respect to them, help them by doing more research. 99% of what you're looking for is there.
Chefs that would like to have their own subforum can just have another forum with a link on his topic.
This is exactly what Phoenix Dev Team does...
XDA-Devs board is a like friendly jungle. Just take your time to learn how to navigate through it, this is not that hard.
Flashing and upgrading regularly ROMs and softwares means you do have time for this. So one shall learn to have time to search. Anyway, by reading throught posts, one gets a much better control over his phone as you have more knowledge about this or that, not only a superficial approach, which will undeniably lead to a new thread: I don't get it, it's broken or similar .
Only my 2ct-philosophy...
Why are themes mixed with applications? It's a mess...
Why can't there be one section for themes and other for applications?
I won't say it a mess but Yes, that would be better...
Agreed. There is too much stuff going on with HD2 now, and the biggest problem is the new things fall back and many of the users even don't see the new posts.
I agree.
I´ve been here since Kaiser forum was the "hottest" thing on XDA, but even that is nothing in comparison of the "hottness" of Leo's forum.
Sometimes good things almost get lost with all those topics popping out during the day.
So far, i thank RSS, but separated Apps and Themes fora would be nice.
+1 too Apps & Themes should be separated for easier view or search.
I think thats a great idea
People will still ignore the forum titles and start threads where they want to.
Take this one, for example. It should not be in the themes and apps forum of the HD2 as it has diddly-squat to do with either the HD2, themes or apps.
There is a forum for this type of conversation.
Like I said - people will post where they want. You'll just get used to it.
Saying that, you could then have a forum just for tweaks...
The idea is good.... But Johncmolineux is right, it will change nothing....
Xda is like Ali Baba's cave... It's a big mess, but a mess I finally like. At the end I always find what I'm looking for.
johncmolyneux said:
People will still ignore the forum titles and start threads where they want to.
Take this one, for example. It should not be in the themes and apps forum of the HD2 as it has diddly-squat to do with either the HD2, themes or apps.
There is a forum for this type of conversation.
Like I said - people will post where they want. You'll just get used to it.
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I've tried to find a place to post this and did not succeed. And if this is about this section, it's not that wrong to be here. But I've posted here not because I simple want but because I did not find a suggestions section. An Apps and a Thread sections inside the HD2 section of XDA will be very easy to find.
By that way of thinking we should not have 4 HD2 sections, we should only have one... since people make mistakes in where to post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=263
That's ridiculously easy to find. You just look.
johncmolyneux said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=263
That's ridiculously easy to find. You just look.
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Yeah, I've seen that. But wasn't sure if it was for suggestions about the forum. And then, if I post there probably most of the users of the HD2 sections will not see it.
DeadVirus said:
Yeah, I've seen that. But wasn't sure if it was for suggestions about the forum. And then, if I post there probably most of the users of the HD2 sections will not see it.
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Surely you're making a suggestion about the site, not the HD2, which is why you should post it in a forum that is for the site. That's all.
There's actually a thread in that forum for suggestions for the mods. That's the best place to ask a question that relates to the site.
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Surely you're making a suggestion about the site, not the HD2, which is why you should post it in a forum that is for the site. That's all.
There's actually a thread in that forum for suggestions for the mods. That's the best place to ask a question that relates to the site.
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Can anyone move this to there then?
johncmolyneux said:
People will still ignore the forum titles and start threads where they want to.
Take this one, for example. It should not be in the themes and apps forum of the HD2 as it has diddly-squat to do with either the HD2, themes or apps.
There is a forum for this type of conversation.
Like I said - people will post where they want. You'll just get used to it.
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I disagree, John.
Of course you're correct in as much as SOME people (particularly people new to the site) will always start threads where they want to. But I would say that MOST people (particularly experienced posters) stick to the rules regarding posting new threads in the correct section and those who don't quickly have the errors of their ways pointed out to them!
I also disagree that this particular thread is 'out on place' in the Themes and Apps section. The OP wanted to gauge feeling amongst current users of this section as to his suggestion of splitting the section into two. Who's going to see it if it's hidden away somewhere else on the forum?
Just my thoughts... No criticism of others' opinion meant...
Btw... I would also be in favour of a split.
I would like to see this happen too, but im sure it would be hassell for anybody that needs to get it uptodate/tidy!
fracmo2000 said:
I would like to see this happen too, but im sure it would be hassell for anybody that needs to get it uptodate/tidy!
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Yes it would need some hard work... But we could keep this actual sections as the themes section for example, and then the users would report the threads that needed to be moved, that way the moderators won't need to be checking all threads...
What about having actual MODERATORS on this forum??? Cause all those topics that are made dubble and dubble each and every single day are driving everybody crazy I know that for sure!! I scroll down through one page on the forum in 1 minut cause of all the same things I am reading over and over again!
Why isn't the policy here actually being applied??? Why aren't the moderators HARSHER?? (if there are moderators cause I only have seen one here on the Leo's forums).....
I am sure 90% of the people here think like me, especialy when there ar epeople who only register to this forum to make a topic and ask a question and don't bother to search and when they got their answer never bother to look on tthis forum again.......
Really, the policy should be looked after and there should be at leaste 5 times more moderators than there are now!!!
We are missing the important threads through all the b*ll**** and sorry to say this but some people don't have time to spend hours a day on this forum! We have to work/study, I am sure many agree with me!