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hey guys, i was thoroughly disappointed with opera mobiles performance.. it really sucked (for me at least). Page would take a long time to open, and the windows would move all over the place while the page was loading, etc. Anyways, i finally decided to download opera mini and its a world of a difference, its amazing! however to do it correctly, follow this guys advise:
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/running-opera-mini-41-on-windows-mobile-2/
dont just go to operamini.com and download the version they tell you, because then you have to agree to that message everytime you go to a page. if you do it the way this guy says, you only have to give permission the first time you open opera. he also shows you a way to have it as a program, eliminating the need to open the jbed java app to launch from there.
another thing i did, is because our device is vga, the font was small. i set it to extra large, and its very good. even the scrolling is much better on the mini version, and ITS MUCH FASTER!! i cant emphasize the last one enough. anyways, just wanted to let u guys know, good luck
ps: also, something that is huge for me, typing something into a webpage is also much better now. on opera mobile, i would have to try to fit the screen size so i can see what i'm typing; with opera mini, it opens a new window for you to t ype in, it's like your typing in word or something. makes a huge difference IMO
omar
I couldn't agree more.
Unless something is wrong with just my phone, I can't see how anyone would like Opera Mobile.
Just open any forum page here. Probably takes 20-30 seconds to load on Opera Mobile on a fast Wifi connection...and that's after it takes 5-10 seconds to just load up.
Do it on Opera Mini and it takes maybe 2 on a 1x connection, even.
Opera Mini doesn't have tabs, but you are saving so much time elsewhere, that's livable.
It also runs through a proxy, so I guess you could get stale pages or https stuff won't work great.
But, for 95% of the browsing I do, Mini works perfectly and is unbelievably fast and it's clear on the vga screen.
I also chose Extra Large fonts.
If you decide to use Opera Mini, here's a way to make it the "default" for opening links.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=384271
Have you guys tried the newer version of Skyfire? If so, do you like Mini better?
ya i use mini much more than mobile
btw just download this zip, extract cab and install it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=113596&d=1221663410
it will ask if u want to make mini default browser...also installs java if u dont have it.
i change my image quality to high and font to biggest settings
I'm using UCWEB6 and I'm quite satisfied. Fast enough, tabbed browsing, easy to use..
yeah, im done using opera mobile, mini works so good!
i also use piscel and sometimes skyfire if im next to an ac jack... ill use ie just as i do on desktop, BUSINESS ONLY!
I used Opera Mobile for about a minute....
Help: I am having a problem with Mini not fully loading pages and getting white screens. I have Jbed 2.1 (read it was better than the newest version) and the newest Mini. Any advise?
I love the speed of Mini (thanks for posting the download link), but even on extra large the text is very very small. Is there a way to make it show up bigger?
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I'm using UCWEB6 and I'm quite satisfied. Fast enough, tabbed browsing, easy to use..
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Are you using the generic version? Seems like UCWEB6 was made for Nokia devices not HTC
Another opera mini fan here, the fastest browser I have used, that includes skyfire. Only issue is lack of tabs, but otherwise its great
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Are you using the generic version? Seems like UCWEB6 was made for Nokia devices not HTC
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No, I'm using this one. It says ppc2003 but it's working fine on all my devices, supports both VGA and QVGA
im using a mix of ucweb and operamini.. loving it. the only thing wrong with this phone is the lack of softkeys.. makes browsing with mini a little harder..
I've been using the "vga" version of skyfire since it came out, and I love it for its full browsing experience, speed, and ability to watch video in the browser.
Thank you for this thread!
I never used opera mini before and I was amazed by it's speed. It's not going to be my default browser (that's still PIE because I almost only view sites which are optimized for mobile devices) but it's absolutely perfect for viewing this forum for example!
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No, I'm using this one. It says ppc2003 but it's working fine on all my devices, supports both VGA and QVGA
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This crashed for me. Whole device froze up.
Opera Mobile.. it's just CRAP compared to Opera Mini.
CONS Opera Mobile:
- load time (HTC/Opera cheat by preloading Opera at StartUp)
- lots of squares while dragging
- many times while you drag the stupid software cannot make difference between dragging and tapping
- if you drag the page and the page is still loading, you are dropped to other position that you are.. this is so annoying.. you have to drag again or wait until all the page elements are loaded by the browser
So, Opera Mini is very good on the majority of sites. (there are problem with the pages with many images, it cannot handle all of them).
I'm using a VGA version of jbed and I don't have problem with font size ANYMORE.
Big thanks to trueg. Get it from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2973176&postcount=23
if i'm not mistaken, the reason why opera mini is so fast is because the pages are actually cached or pre-processed by Opera servers and then sent to you. with Opera mobile, you connect to the website directly.
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This crashed for me. Whole device froze up.
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That's very strange. It works great on my Blueangel, Wizard, Universal, Trinity and Raphael with all the custom roms I have installed on them and with the shipped rom on the Raphael the first day I got it.
Try installing on the SD card or the device memory, whichever you haven't tried.
Still have to say yes
Anyone else having issues with still having to click yes every time you try and go to a site? If I exit and open, the first time I try to open I get this annoying request. Followed the directions exactly and had no problems?
Also can't seem to browse with this on wifi, anyone else having this issue?
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Anyone else having issues with still having to click yes every time you try and go to a site?
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Yes, I have the same issue. But since I just have to click ok once in every session it's ok for me.
I have really been enjoying using the new version of Internet Explorer Mobile in WM 6.5. It certainly isn't as fast as Opera Mobile, but I seem to like it a little more. Has anyone else been using Internet Explorer for the most part on their phones with WM 6.5 installed?
I have. I've been resisting installing any other browser with this install.
I'm trying to give the 6.5 version of IE a good chance before installing anything else. So far, so good.
I am as well with my newest test cook. Does anyone now how to access the about screen in the new IE? I know it is supposed to be IE8 mobile but got got some co-workers with the "seeing is believing" mentality.
I use new IE too. It was one of the reasons that I stick with WM6 from the first place.
So far, so good for me too.
There is no About screen. I 've been looking for it before with no luck.
i don't its to slow and buggy for me :[ i haven't used it recently but i prefer opera much more !
I cant change te default browser to IE
Over the years I have refined my browsing to pda pages, (lower graphics and less DL time).
I cannot change the default browser to IE (I dont like Opera) no mater which tweak i use ( I also cant get suggested words to show either).
any suggestions
I am also using PIE included with WM6.5 as my main browser. Before WM6.5 I would use a combination of Opera Mini, IE and Skyfire. Since I switched to WM6.5 I haven't had a need to install Opera Mini or Skyfire.
I'm enjoying the new IE under 6.5 as well. I find it faster and more reliable than Opera, and I like the fact that Activesync 'keeps' my favorites across multiple flashes,etc.
It works really well for me...
It's also pretty cool that embedded flash animations work as well. Heck even Youtube works although the video is choppy. =(
I use it, Opera is definatly faster, but having favs sync'd is really nice. It is a little buggy, but I dont think theres anything running WM 6.5 that isnt a little buggy. Definatly a step up for M$ but im sure they could do alot better, they dont seem to care much about any of their browsers which makes no sense to me being as it is the main gateway for most people running windows to access the internet, but what do I know.
Jumping between hyperlinks in IEMobile on WM6.5
Like another poster here, I've have 'adjusted' my browsing patterns and only browse websites that are "PDA" friendly; such as m.facebook.com, m.zdnet.com, m.engadget.com etc
Unfortunately the new IEMobile does not allow me to jump between hyperlinks and forms... instead its 'scrolling' the whole page.
I've tried AdvancedConfig's option of "disabling" the 4-way navigation but that just doesn't work.
Does anyone have any other ideas?
This is my question
IS THE LATEST SKYFIRE FASTER,BETTER,SEXIER(lol) THAN THE LATEST OPERA MOBILE!!!!??????
bstylz911 said:
This is my question
IS THE LATEST SKYFIRE FASTER,BETTER,SEXIER(lol) THAN THE LATEST OPERA MOBILE!!!!??????
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Not for me
I´m with Opera!!
orb3000 said:
Not for me
I´m with Opera!!
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WHY??
skyfires startup time BEATS operas hands down
PLUS skyfire allows u to watch flash video and is flash enabled
unlike the newest opera which doesnt even support flash
Skyfire is QVGA, and looks quite bad on VGA. However, I haven't tried Opera Mini on VGA - can anyone comment?
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WHY??
skyfires startup time BEATS operas hands down
PLUS skyfire allows u to watch flash video and is flash enabled
unlike the newest opera which doesnt even support flash
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Agreed. Also SkyFire's browsing & scrolling is absolutely far superior to Opera. The only thing SkyFire is missing is options - it only as about 6, while Opera has about 600. But it's only 1.0, those things will eventually make their way into the browser.
Skyfire for me is faster than opera mobile, and i use it for flash videos.
The only laggy thing i think is the scrolling, that in Opera is better.
However if you don't need to see flash content...skyfire is useless, i use UCWEB of NetFront
You should see Skyfire on HD ^^' Opera Mobile is better but no flash...
D'rath
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You should see Skyfire on HD ^^' Opera Mobile is better but no flash...
D'rath
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I want to try it out too. He he he... But from the supports page on their website it says it supports WVGA as well.
Are they telling us fibs. Can you post any screen shots of what it looks like on your HD?
Love to see flash videos (not just You Tube) on my WinMo.
well i did a test on both skyfire and opera on the loading times
skyfire took 14 sec. to load 1src.com
and opera only 10 sec. to load 1src.com
anyone else wanna test?
Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, Skyfire, Mach5, PIE
I have posted something similar somewhere else, however I think this is valid...
We have two different types of browser available
Client side (which means your browser on you PPC/HTC does all the work) or Server side (which means a fast computer somewhere does all the work and sends your PPC pictures of what is happening)
Client Side positives
You decide settings
You install all your favourite add-ons (flash etc)
You keep all you log-on settings
The rendering and compatability is what you install/set (also could be a negative if you aren't competent here)
Server Side positives
Your PPC doesn't need to install anything extra (flash etc), as it's all done on server side
All rendering is done by Server side, so it's simply plug n' play!!
And the negatives (which usually make the choice on such small devices as PPC)
Client Side
Usually takes up memory to install all plug-ins required to visit different sited on the web (eg, flash) (i.e, the more you have installed your PPC, the more compatible it will be with more web sites/pages)
Slows the computer, and takes up memory to render the page (everything needs to be downloaded and processed)
Server Side
You're at the hands of the server (is it set up for QVGA/VGA, how does it input text etc)
The fastest it works is by sending you pictures (whereas you may have a dedicated flash player, such as TCPMP etc)
Your log-on settings are kept by the server (someone else)
The rendering is only as good as the server
The server may be in a different locale to you
The connection takes the bottle-neck (i.e, the faster your connection, the better videos will be - you really need a contract/cost limit on your data downloads!)
So as for Skyfire is "Server Side". Skyfire renders as QVGA (even though it does work on VGA, it doesn't look any good).
Opera is Client Side. This means it really can't really be compared to Skyfire in the same way as, say, Mach5 could... but could be compared to PIE.
However, Opera Mini is Server Side - and I think there's some great advances are now there. Anyone comment on Opera Mini compared to Skyfire?
However, Opera Mini is Server Side - and I think there's some great advances are now there. Anyone comment on Opera Mini compared to Skyfire?
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i have to say that opera mini is truly fast but i ALSO LOVE BOLT and UCWEB
BOLT- best feature is the split screen. good for large pages
UCWEB- has features like multiple tabs
Opera for me,...Skyfire looks terrible on my hd and is slow as heck,....+ I watch porn on my laptop as it has a bigger screen ;-)
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+ I watch porn on my laptop as it has a bigger screen ;-)
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lol i was gonna say the extacly same thing but i was like naw lol
i tried watchin it on skyfire and the load time was really quick
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lol i was gonna say the extacly same thing but i was like naw lol
i tried watchin it on skyfire and the load time was really quick
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LOL, Ive tried skyfire a few times (different builds) but have never been impressed with it. It worked well on my n96 (about the only thing that did)
cocoaju said:
I want to try it out too. He he he... But from the supports page on their website it says it supports WVGA as well.
Are they telling us fibs. Can you post any screen shots of what it looks like on your HD?
Love to see flash videos (not just You Tube) on my WinMo.
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Screens in *.png aren't mine (I cannot make shoots of my Display) but you could see page rendering output.
On HD Skyfire is horrible... I use IE with flash: it's slow, few optimized but make similar PC...
D'rath
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Screens in *.png aren't mine (I cannot make shoots of my Display) but you could see page rendering output.
On HD Skyfire is horrible... I use IE with flash: it's slow, few optimized but make similar PC...
D'rath
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Thanks mate. Wow! That is fxxking ugly man! Not going to touch that with barge pole. Saves from downloading it.
I guess I have to wait till IE6 comes out. Maybe that will be better contender?
HD
On my Touch HD i prefer Opera. I only use Skyfire for flash based sites. Even for YouTube i prefer the specific application rather than Skyfire. May be my comments are not so scientific but i feel Opera more smooth and nice looking overall.
Exellent explanation -Jonny-!!!
i could see sticking with skyfire if it wasn't so stupid
skyfire.com hosts all your bookmarks and history
wtf?!?!
having to load a browser page just to see my bookmarks
it takes forever...huge fail
flash is nice...but absolutely ZERO speedtest pages load
i must have tried about 20 on google search for speed tests - all failed with 404
other than that
opera mini - no text selection...and no flash...7mbps+
opera beta - no flash - navigating the zoom frustrates me often (turbo is fast)
i'm on a htc 6800 (mogul/titan)
having more than one browser installed is such a waste of resources
i wish someone could make something that simply works...
you would think a mobile browser would be something basic & simple
i just cant see why its so complicated...but i'm not a programmer
its obvious what everyone wants but each browser only has a few qualities
i find myself using ie more...an option you can always go back to with minimal letdowns
at least its problems i can deal with and dont make me want to hurl my brick phone into a deep river along with my body tied to it
i will keep trying new browsers i havent yet though i'm not expecting much:
ucweb
bolt
mach5
pie (what is pie i've heard it mentioned but cant find any info)
any info on these browsers appreciated if anything is not obvious like basic installation or source for program.
just wanted to bump this page
i know it was just announced but has anybody gotten the app yet? its supposed to be going out to carriers and oem's, not us consumers(yet). im hopoing someone leaks it quick! or does someone already have it? if so please share
really? were? site? >_> I DONT BELIVE YOU lol
http://www.androidcentral.com/opear-mobile-available-android-you-cant-have-it-yet
somebody has to leak it 1!!!1
apparently chances of that are low... but!!! now theyve announced that opera mini 5 is coming soon!!! anybody have that yet??
I was using Opera Mini 5 beta on WM6.1 and it was good, but it felt a bit too mobile. Every page I went on was loading in mobile mode, an sites with flash never loaded properly for me. I had a slide out keyboard, and I am sure it was a beta issue, but it was forcing me use the on screen keyboard. It was decent, but on a 2.8in screen felt very cramped. Opera 10 beta on the other hand loaded a bit slower to start up and web page loading was noticeably slower. However, web pages loaded more normal for me. That was on WM6.1 on a decently speedy device, on Android things could be a whole different story.
well i think either one, will be the best browser for android so far. mainly i like it because of that amazing speed in loading pages! even 4.2 is fast and i'd use that except the UI is horrible...
Opera mini5 (beta) was the best browser while I was using winmobile devices!
The interface was clever, the way it handled tabs was genius, it was sooo damn fast and the fact that you could go back in your browsing history without the browser reloading the page from the scratch was damn useful. I so hate that on the android browser (well, on actual browsers in general).
I'm really looking forward to the android-version but I'm afraid it won't support the hardware-keyboard of my G1 =(
So, is there any compelling reason to use Opera Mobile 10 over the Android browser? Will HTC flash work with Mobile 10? I can see a reason to use Mini 5 as that is a fast browser, and is fairly light. However, I can't see any reason to use Mobile 10 other than preference.
Well, if Opera 10 should support a double-tap to zoom feature I will for sure use it over the android one. I absolutely dont like those 2 zooming buttons floating all over the content which only appear once I start scrolling.
Evoce said:
Well, if Opera 10 should support a double-tap to zoom feature I will for sure use it over the android one. I absolutely dont like those 2 zooming buttons floating all over the content which only appear once I start scrolling.
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Sorry not to get ot, but we took care of the stock browser a long time ago, check it out: WWW.forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551119
To the op, this does look like it might be pretty nice, how ever always been happy with the modded stock, or a hero browser. Any idea on what phone is gonna have this as oem firest?
Opera 10 for android looks amazing. if you watch the video preview of it. Right now the best browser for android is the Dolphin Browser though. .. ooh and windows mobile people.. Skyfire is the only way to go.
Which video are you referring to?
Maybe I am not really getting it but what advantage does Opera Mobile have over the Android browser? I loved Opera on my WM device and I can understand using it based on preference. However, with the Android browser working the way it does, isn't it a bit redundant? Or again maybe I am not getting it?
tbaker077 said:
Which video are you referring to?
Maybe I am not really getting it but what advantage does Opera Mobile have over the Android browser? I loved Opera on my WM device and I can understand using it based on preference. However, with the Android browser working the way it does, isn't it a bit redundant? Or again maybe I am not getting it?
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The browser has better support for CSS/HTML/JavaScript...
You can see the differences between the browsers on:
http://www.quirksmode.org/m/css.html
and
http://www.quirksmode.org/m/table.html
Please note that the Nokia E66 browser matches the new Opera 10 beta the most. The other version is 9.5 which is already a year old. I'm really waiting for a Opera 10 release on android, since the android browser has some shortcomings when you want to create mobile websites (I shall spare you the details).
I guess I will have to try it out when it comes outs to see the differences. It's to bad they don't add the proxy features of Opera Mini on Mobile.
is it out yet?! :[
tbaker077 said:
Which video are you referring to?
Maybe I am not really getting it but what advantage does Opera Mobile have over the Android browser? I loved Opera on my WM device and I can understand using it based on preference. However, with the Android browser working the way it does, isn't it a bit redundant? Or again maybe I am not getting it?
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its the speed!!! look do this
go to the market and download the current opera mini 4.2
once installed get a timer or something and go to any website(including this one if you want, just make sure you go to exactly the same page)
time it
now go to the same page with the android browser.
you should see a HUGE speed difference. im not exactly sure how opera does this, but i heard once it has something to do with a compression method that opera uses that makes pages load very quickly!
all in all, i have no idea how opera does it, i just know that its FAST. and definitely faster than the android browser. i really dont care that its opera i just care abuot that speeeeeed!
Yes, I agree about Opera Mini, but I am referring to Opera Mobile.
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Yes, I agree about Opera Mini, but I am referring to Opera Mobile.
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well supposedly also opera mini is made for any mobile phone? i think. but opera mobile is made spcifically for more advanced smartphones. like you cant use opera mobile on some cheapy flip phone. but you probably could use opera mini on it. i THINK. im probably wrong or idk i dont really care i just want a better browser than the slow android one. either that or the faster 3g from tmobile.. but i think even then the browser would still be slow..
Having tried alot of different browsers through the span of my cell phones I believe Opera Mini is the fastest but it may have to do with the mobile view of the websites.
Dolphin is also very good.. I like that its theme able and its relatively fast.
I'm also anxious in the official release of Opera Mobile 10... it will have other features and will be most likely fix the problem of opera mini loading pages as mobile and not full version as in a desktop or laptop would display.
Just saw this thread in HD2 - General
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5895662#post5895662
Have yet to download myself and try but looking at Opera's site does seem to suggest its now fully availiable
Multitouch?
Else it's not interesting.
How does this work with the sense browser tab? does it still open in Opera 9 or defaults to opera 10?
Tried it.
But it is not supporting multitouch
So no Pinch & Zoom.
Totally useless.
Using it on the HD2 is a pain in the ass.
So, I removed it after 5 minutes
Works ok here, accelerometer works automatically now in any direction, even upside down.
eBay is still not working properly though, it just doesn't render correctly when viewing items in my eBay.
Will stick to Opera 9.7 and use v10 now and again, mainly as I miss the zoom bar in 9.7.
downloading it now
No pinch zoom. Sadly we'll have to wait for 10.1 version i guess.
I like it though. It's fast and easy to use even without multitouch support.
I'd be very suprised if they add multi-touch support to Opera 10. For 1 thing, it's not for the HD2, it's for all WM phones, and secondly, it doesn't have variable zooming - just zoomed and not zoomed. (Okay, you can change the zoom amount in settings, but it's still not the same as a zoom bar).
I really doubt you'll see it in Opera 10.
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I'd be very suprised if they add multi-touch support to Opera 10. For 1 thing, it's not for the HD2, it's for all WM phones, and secondly, it doesn't have variable zooming - just zoomed and not zoomed. (Okay, you can change the zoom amount in settings, but it's still not the same as a zoom bar).
I really doubt you'll see it in Opera 10.
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John,
If you are right, then I consider Opera 10 to be a regression compared to Opera 9.7...
No variable zoom,
No multitouch.
What's the use?
I tested it, and it is really not a pleasure to navigate with it. Webpages are even to small (unreadable) or too big (unreadable)...
horrible...
tbh I havent noticed a need for variable zoom or multi-touch yet. Small shows me layout, and double tap re-flows stuff ok on the few sites I have looked at.
I am running however both 9.7 and 10.
But tbh 9.7 is pretty damn good too. I think that 10 adds a bit of speed though. but it's horses for courses. they are both good browsers. Then add opera mini 5 to the mix, upcoming fennec and skyfire and IEmobile and you are all set! you can never be disappointed.
p.s. I think they are all good browsers on HD2. i havent been disappointed with any of them. even IE mobile.
Font rendering seems to be better than 9.7.. I'm switching to 10.
Tried Mobile 10 for a while, but IMHO it's useless on the HD2, certainly compared to Opera Mini 5 and even Opera 9,7. So I will stick to Mini 5 (which I use the most) and occasionally 9.7. For flash/video, I use Skyfire.
No Pinch to Zoom yet :/
Same bug, like in beta, the text is not in the right form like the original page!
And very slow to load the page! Opera 9.7 is more faster!
flash isnt working for me. using stock tmobile rom. can anyone please direct me to where i download the plugins to make flash work?
many thanks
Does anyone know if opera 10 is client based or a server based browser?
Would like to know before I download it, as I do internet banking on my HD2.
The final version is not mutch better as the beta. so i will stick to 9.7
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Does anyone know if opera 10 is client based or a server based browser?
Would like to know before I download it, as I do internet banking on my HD2.
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Both. There's a "Turbo mode" option, when on it goes through the server, when off it goes direct.
On O2 UK I have found mobile10 to render faster and just as accurately as 9.7...but of course YMMV!!!
I just think it is pretty slick. and has a nicer feel than 9.7. Got to say they are all rather identical.
doublepost.