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Any feedback yet on Eten M600

From all the specs I read, it looks like a great piece of equipment:
- quad-band (useful for me)
- 802.11 b/g (at last!!!). Wonder if WPA/WPA2 is supported, and PSK and/or 802.1x
-full-size SDIO
- Size looks to be between Magician and Himalaya (good enough for me!)
- BT 1.2 supported
- WM5.0...
So if anyone has anything to say about Eten in general and on the M600 in particular, I'd be glad to hear.
Cheers,
Hal
BTW, can be found here:
http://www.expansys.fr/product.asp?code=127430

i was looking at one of these too. This looks like one sexxy handset!

not 4 me.
crappy samsung cpu, 64mb ram and useless 802.11g(it will take tons of energy if used)...
Qtek 2020i still the best.

not 4 me.
crappy samsung cpu, 64mb ram and useless 802.11g(it will take tons of energy if used)...
Qtek 2020i still the best.

I played with an Eten at Modaco.
Nice device, but fairly plasticy, unlike the aluminium sheathed godliness of HTC's stuff.
Nice to have the competition though. However, If i was going for a non HTC, I'd wait for the Atom = perkier.
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hal said:
From all the specs I read, it looks like a great piece of equipment:
- quad-band (useful for me)
- 802.11 b/g (at last!!!). Wonder if WPA/WPA2 is supported, and PSK and/or 802.1x
-full-size SDIO
- Size looks to be between Magician and Himalaya (good enough for me!)
- BT 1.2 supported
- WM5.0...
So if anyone has anything to say about Eten in general and on the M600 in particular, I'd be glad to hear.
Cheers,
Hal
BTW, can be found here:
http://www.expansys.fr/product.asp?code=127430
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Hal,
Do you know where this product can be purchased with a new abbonement in France?
mogwai

As an owner of imate JAM and after reading all that about the warranty on blue angel and stuff I am going forward and I ll be ordering an ETEN M600 this monday morning!
At least it has full size SD and it supports SDIO!!!!
As for the quality mentioned above nothing can be worse than the firming on JAM. Have you seen the battery cover of the JAM???? How many of you have a jam that its colour didn't came off? Mine is becoming grey after the silver has gone in the back!
Anyway as for the samsung processor just think that K-JAM has the 200MHz version of it while M600 has the 400MHz one and I ve seen some benchmarks on the net showing clearly that tha 400MHz Samsung is faster in many tests than the Intel 416MHz located inside my JAM. At least msmobiles in their recent review say that skype works flawless something I never managed to see on my JAM or my friend's PDA2k.
So I will make a small review as soon as I lay my hands on it sometime after 5th of December.
And admins please create an area for ETEN users too.

I've seen the E-ten m500 (300 MHz Samsung CPU) in action and must say that I was really impressed.
Scrolling of navigation cards (Navigon Mobile Navigator 5.1) almost in real-time.
You'll need at least 416/520 MHz Intel CPU to achieve same results.
Don't know about battery life though.
Sascha

Sabo M500 has exactly the same processor with M600 and its clocked at 400MHz. I also saw an M500 and it was really fast and smoother than my JAM. Let me get my hands on M600 and I will let you all know how good it is!

Too bad there is no keyboard!!

The missing keyboard is one of the advantages of my M600 for me! :lol: :wink:

M600 in FR and lack of keyboard
Ok, I confess, I couldn't hold it anymore: I bought a K-Jam WWE while in Dubai last week.
First impression: not slower than BA/HIMA running WM5 (I have both - BA has dead screen now...).
It is the right size for me.
I tend to hate the keyboards, having been on Palm since 1995... The BA keyboard was laughable! But the on on K-Jam is real cool.
Keep feedback on M600 pouring please, I still find it's a nice piece of equipment!
My 2c,
Hal.

katsj said:
And admins please create an area for ETEN users too.
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You are welcome on our forum:
http://www.eten-users.net/

SaBo said:
I've seen the E-ten m500 (300 MHz Samsung CPU) in action and must say that I was really impressed.
Sascha
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M500 has a 400mhz cpu

I had (still have, in fact) a Magician (JAM) till about 3 days back when after careful comparison of the various alternatives available (I wanted a WiFi pocket pc phone that was stable and fast) I bought the Eten M600.
Compared to my friends K-JAMs and JAMINs this one is really stable and fast. I can skype away happily on the M600 while my friends struggle to start up skype on their JAMINs. I make calls on Skype while they listen to garbage trying to make one.
Eten rocks, and at a price that $150 cheaper (including a free 1GB SD Card) than the JAMIN its too good a deal to ignore. @ HTC - competition has arrived, and in style!

Htc Touch Cruise Unavailable-uncertainty About The Gps Chip

Hi
I was also waiting since 2-3 weeks the new HTC TC, I was intersested because it had everything I wanted (except a SIRF Star III chipset).
I'm asking myself now if I will not buy instead the new ETEN Glofiish X 800 who except a 2MPixels camera (in place of a 3 MPixel for the HTC TC) has not only a better GPS receiver (Sirf starIII) but also a much better screen (VGA 640x480 in place of QVGA 320X240) , a faster processor 500 MHz for the Eten vs 400 MHZ for the HTC and a better battery 1530 mAh vs 1350 mAh for the HTC.
And it seems that the ETEN will also be cheaper than the Touch Cruise....
What do you think ? ETEN GLOFIISH X800 or HTC TC ..? Wait or not wait ?
Christian
Belgium

With respect to SIRF Star III, if you use Tomtom it doesn't support the additional capabilities of the chip (I contacted Tomtom for this), besides, the HTC Cruise got the fix much faster then with my MIO A201 wich has a SIRF Star III chipset. I compared these two PDA's to figure out the diferences with respect to navigation using Tomtom.

Although the X500 has a higher clock processor, it is actually much slower than the Kaiser/Polaris because it doesn't have a dedicated gfx processor - so all gfx processing (and don't forget its 640x480) has to be done by the main CPU which makes even simple things like scrolling very slow.

wywywywy said:
Although the X500 has a higher clock processor, it is actually much slower than the Kaiser/Polaris because it doesn't have a dedicated gfx processor - so all gfx processing (and don't forget its 640x480) has to be done by the main CPU which makes even simple things like scrolling very slow.
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Kaiser and Polaris DO have a GFX processor but they DON'T have drivers for it at the moment....
So they won't be any faster until we can get those drivers.

Compared to my SIRF Star III gps receiver the Cruise is just as good. Get's a faster fix and has just as many satelites. No major differences there, so there is nothing for you to worry in that department.
The X800 is a nice device as well. It's also VGA which could be something you like where the cruise is qvga.
But! from what I've read it feels kinda slow. Mainly because of the VGA resolution and that there is only 64mb RAM in the device. There where the cruise has 128mb ram.
Also for the future the gfx processing might be something to consider. There where the Cruise could get support for it at some point the X800 will never get that. Take into consideration that it's VGA instead of qvga ánd only has 64mb RAM I think the Cruise is the better choice here.
At least that was my conclusion when I was thinking about getting the X800 or the Cruise. In the end I was 100% sure to get the Cruise and so far it hasn't let me down as well. I'm quite happy with it, only hoping on some better video driver support.

cedel said:
What do you think ? ETEN GLOFIISH X800 or HTC TC ..? Wait or not wait?
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After long struggle with myself I decided not to buy any Eten (considered X500+, X800 and M800) due to small amount of available memory.
So I wanted iMate Ultimate 9502, but it seems not available in Europe.
Therefore, since I need GPS, HTC TC, even if it's QVGA... TyTN II is simply too heavy... and I'm not sure I need keyboard.

maati said:
Kaiser and Polaris DO have a GFX processor but they DON'T have drivers for it at the moment....
So they won't be any faster until we can get those drivers.
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Don't be confused (or to confuse others) about video drivers and gfx drivers.
Kaiser and Polaris don't have proper video drivers (DirectX), but the dedicated gfx processor does function correctly for 2D acceleration.
And the X800 is very slow.

wywywywy said:
Don't be confused (or to confuse others) about video drivers and gfx drivers.
Kaiser and Polaris don't have proper video drivers (DirectX), but the dedicated gfx processor does function correctly for 2D acceleration.
And the X800 is very slow.
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SLOW¡¡¡????
X800 IS THE SLOWEST PDA I HAVE USED, YOU MUST DO A SOFR RESET EACH 2 HOURS TO USE IT NORMALLY...

Got bored with my Kaiser and sold it....now what?

Who can recommend a good WM phone that is slimmer and lighter than the Kaiser?
Need the same CPU speed or quicker.
GPS not necessary.
3G not necessary.
Slideout keyboard optional.
Same size screen or bigger is a plus.

htc touch dual is the one you want. or touch cruise

Does it have to be a windows mobile device? The Nokia N95 8GB is really nice.

Doesn't have to be but I use a fair number of WM apps.

hollywould said:
Does it have to be a windows mobile device? The Nokia N95 8GB is really nice.
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He said same speed or faster.
N95 uses a slower cpu (TI OMAP 2420 with only 330 Mhz).
The N95 is smaler but thicker than the Kaiser (21 mm vs 19 mm).
TDO

I'm still looking for something with a bigger screen. Haven't gotten rid of mine yet, but the move to smaller screens is just the opposite of what I have been looking for.
Good Luck with your search

trjons said:
Who can recommend a good WM phone that is slimmer and lighter than the Kaiser?
Need the same CPU speed or quicker.
GPS not necessary.
3G not necessary.
Slideout keyboard optional.
Same size screen or bigger is a plus.
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How bout upgrading to the mother of PDAphones.
ETEN Glofiish X800 or M800

TDO said:
He said same speed or faster.
N95 uses a slower cpu (TI OMAP 2420 with only 330 Mhz).
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It's better NOT to compare the 2420 to the Qualcomm 400 Mhz. The former is WAY faster than the latter - as has always been the case with TI's CPU's compared to CPU's running at the same speed.
Also see my chipset/CPU-related posts, where I've elaborated on all these issues.

trjons said:
Doesn't have to be but I use a fair number of WM apps.
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Symbian S60v3fp1 has a lot of functionality built-in only accessible via third-party apps on WinMo. For example, I only needed to install Opera Mini and an MP3 call recorder on my N95 and I can already fully use it for my purposes. No tweakings, no day-long installing needed.
Specifically, what do you need?

o2neouzr said:
htc touch dual is the one you want. or touch cruise
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Better not - before the Qualcomm drivers are fixed. Wait for the V900, the X1 or the MS808. Or, if Symbian isn't a problem, get either the Nokia N95-1, the N95 8GB or the N82 (they have cons and pros compared to the other so it's pretty hard to choose from them. I'd, personally, go for the N95-1).

Menneisyys said:
Symbian S60v3fp1 has a lot of functionality built-in only accessible via third-party apps on WinMo. For example, I only needed to install Opera Mini and an MP3 call recorder on my N95 and I can already fully use it for my purposes. No tweakings, no day-long installing needed.
Specifically, what do you need?
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Microsoft Exchange Sync
Web browsing
Some form of Pocket banking that syncs to PC (Quicken is what I use now)
Pocket Word compatibility
Slingbox is nice too
That's it off the top of my head.

New ericsson X1
Hi,
I'm also bored with my Kaiser, to be honest i'm just sick of it crashing, crappy video drivers etc. I'm waiting for this to be released, i've always had Sony Ericssons and never had any major problems.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/11/mwc_sony_ericsson_announce_xperia_x1/

I'm seriously going to keep an eye on the MS808.
Menneisyys said:
Better not - before the Qualcomm drivers are fixed. Wait for the V900, the X1 or the MS808. Or, if Symbian isn't a problem, get either the Nokia N95-1, the N95 8GB or the N82 (they have cons and pros compared to the other so it's pretty hard to choose from them. I'd, personally, go for the N95-1).
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The MS808 seems to really rock!
It has absolutely Everything, Let's hope it also comes with some hardware accelerated video drivers.
Check this out:
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news_details.php?id=15655

an xda flame?
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=159590
bigger screen, vga, no gps, no keyboard, inbuilt gpu faster processor...
Rory

trjons said:
Who can recommend a good WM phone that is slimmer and lighter than the Kaiser?
Need the same CPU speed or quicker.
GPS not necessary.
3G not necessary.
Slideout keyboard optional.
Same size screen or bigger is a plus.
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Take a look at the HP iPAQ 614c, very good phone IMHO
See these remarks here : http://www.modaco.com/content/HP-iPaq-iPaq-MoDaCo-com/261287/Questions-about-HP-IPAQ-610/
By my hand of course
Dirk

i would suggest you an LG KS20
only 100gr with the same specs to Kaizer, but cheaper and better drivers...
(only keyboard & gps are missing)
check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTkueY4wEbA

Asus Glaxy7 - 800x480 Omnia competitor?

Hey guys
anyone know anything or heard about this device which is alledgedly due for release in October? Anyone used Asus devices? Are they good quality? Seems to be exactly what I'm after (Omnia with a proper screen)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?tag=asus-glaxy7
GSM Connectivity : GPRS/EDGE/3G/HSDPA/HAUPA
GSM Frequency : 850/900/1800/1900
WCDMA Frequency: 900/1900/2100 (Sorry US readers )
Screen: 3.5 “WVGA 800X480 / 65K Color TFT
System: Microsoft WM 6.1 Professional
UI: Glide 1.5
Camera: 5MP (2592×1944px) from autofocus
Video: MPEG4, H.264 encoding & decoding - resolution unknown
Communications: Bluetooth 2.0, Wifi, USB
aGPS
Audio: AAC, AMR-NB, AMR-WB, EVRC, QCELP, AAC + + EAAC, MP3, MIDI, PCM, WAV
Working time:
Standby : 200 hours
Talk time: 4 hours
Memory: 4GB flash
Expansion: microSD
Dimensions: 115×59x13.8mm
Tracking ball
Accelerometer
Construction: stainless steel
Interesting eh?

Asus devices are of good quality, little worse then Samsung maybe though (I have both i900 and ASUS p525 now to compare).
As time goes on, better and better devices are announced. This one will be officially announced in October, so expect to be able to buy it around Christmas. At this time no doubt that some other better device will be announced from some other manufacturer, and so on

hehe yeah, as is all things with technology in them
This does finaly look like the device for me though
After some googling it looks like it will be released in October and not just announced .... i hope!

****, now I don`t know which one to get, this, touch hd or xperia.
if this has better video recording and playback I just might get this instead of Touch HD & Xperia.
Great phones coming for Santa`s bag

indeed, we seem to be overflowing with choice however, for me its simple.
Xperia, Touch HD == HTC manufactured so NO.
Omnia = odd and small screen res and apparently very buggy
So that leave me with the Asus.

That makes sense and I can see why
Tho I am leaning towards this piece of power, I`ll wait for the reviews

Monty Burns said:
indeed, we seem to be overflowing with choice however, for me its simple.
Xperia, Touch HD == HTC manufactured so NO.
Omnia = odd and small screen res and apparently very buggy
So that leave me with the Asus.
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I have seen issues with HTC not providing proper drivers for their devices... What else do you have against HTC ? Do you think other manufacturers are really different ? I'm about to change my phone, so i'd like to have your advice about this...
Thanks

Hey
HTC hardware build quality is awefull in my experience. I have not had one HTC device that I have not had to return at least once. I treat my devices like the expensive equipment they are and do not keep them in pockets with objects such as keys or money etc.
Its a real shame as HTC design and specification is awesome, just they seem to use awefull and cheap components to build them.
I have a Toshiba G900 which is an awesome device but sadly lacks RAM and GPS. For these reason i did something I said I would never do and changed back to a HTC device - Touch Diamond (which is a downgrade on the awesome screen of the tosh) and without fail, the Diamond is letting me down. The coating on the top of the tempered glass is so easily scratched, its getting scratched by just putting in on a desk. The buttons have scratches, the back panel paint is wearing off and the bezel around the screen has what looks like a silver/metal patch showing through. All this I could expect from a device thats a year old - like my G900 - but not a one month old phone. Oh and the other BIG issue is that I cannot play music without a skip, pause or song chop! (this is all Touch Diamonds) This is not just my issue, everyone gets it, and if anyone says they don't, lots of us would like to know what your doing and how your doing it!!!!
I can only say that my Toshiba was excellent build quality but I cannot vouch for any other manufacturer, only to say that they can't be any worse than HTC!
p.s. remember, the X1 is being MADE by HTC and branded/customised by Sony, chances are, it will be rubbish build quality as well.
edit: the Driver issue is not just a HTC issue. For some reason lots of manu's put the Nvidia chipset into the devices and never actually "drive" it - including Toshiba. Just bizzare.

Does anybody know something about the cpu and ram?

http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1480
CPU 32bit Marvell PXA930
RAM 128
ROM is marked up at 4gig but I think they mean memory card. Not sure about the actual "rom" size.
Details are still sketchy and im not sure where PDADB got a lot of this from to be honest.

At this moment I've a HTC TyTN II, maybe this would be my new device too!
Since I've seen this device I'm doubt between the HTC Touch Pro and the Glaxy7. Should I miss the hardware keyboard? I'm still writing on the screen mostly because I forget my keyboard.
The Touch Pro has 288MB Ram vs the Glaxy7 with just 128MB, the Touch Pro has a keyboard, the Touch Pro has a bigger user community.
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Other models I've been doubting but no go because:
- HTC Touch Diamond; no card slot
- HTC Touch HD; 25% more pixels but same cpu, only touchscreen no buttons, too big device?
- Samsung Omnia: too glossy for me, crappy case, no good experience with Samsung phones (no experience with their PPC's)
- Sony Ericsson: I'don't like the buttons of the keyboard, I was always a Ericsson fan (later SE) but with this don't know. Beside if I've to choose between the Touch Pro and the Xperia l'll choose the HTC. More RAM and bigger community.
The camera is for me no point to choose. At least, that would be my last point. It's reasonable the camera is one of the choosing facts. But remind that Windows Mobile isn't good with photo's.
E-ten has new devices too, but that is Acer. My experience with the Acer notebooks are not good. Cheap silly things!

your forgeting that the Glaxy has a 5mp camera as well.... this is important (at least to me)

Black-Rose said:
At this moment I've a HTC TyTN II, maybe this would be my new device too!
Since I've seen this device I'm doubt between the HTC Touch Pro and the Glaxy7. Should I miss the hardware keyboard? I'm still writing on the screen mostly because I forget my keyboard.
The Touch Pro has 288MB Ram vs the Glaxy7 with just 128MB, the Touch Pro has a keyboard, the Touch Pro has a bigger user community.
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Other models I've been doubting but no go because:
- HTC Touch Diamond; no card slot
- HTC Touch HD; 25% more pixels but same cpu, only touchscreen no buttons, too big device?
- Samsung Omnia: too glossy for me, crappy case, no good experience with Samsung phones (no experience with their PPC's)
E-ten has new devices too, but that is Acer. My experience with the Acer notebooks are not good. Cheap silly things!
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You forgot sony xperia.
+there should be some phones based on android, and some new phones with nvidia chips

Actually i don't want a suck CPU in my phone that make it slow enough for dialing, browser internet / photos and watching movie lagging same as an old-style projector in classroom.
Yes, the qualcomm having ATI Imageon, but also no HW support both 2d and 3d, so no VGA now.
If this machine really using intel cpu, this should be cool and the greatest PDA phone ever.

asus quality..
i used to have an asus p535 and it was one of the best pocket pcs that i owned.
it was very powerfull and it does not hang.
the built quality was excellent and the color does not peel because it is melted with the plastic itself.
the GPS was sirf III one of the best reciever in the world.
what i want to say is that asus products are very good but asus lacks the marketing touch to sell its products.
galaxy 7 will be a great device ,i am sure and i am looking forward for its release.

its good to hear from someone who has actually used a previous Asus PDA. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I must admit, i'm already sold on the Glaxy even though I am growing positivley towards my Diamond again - despite its poor hardware build quality.

Is this a new fashion? WVGA and WQVGA?
I like big screens, but I don't like software incompatibility...

My old (Now) G900 had an 800*480 screen and I only found issues with older versions of TomTom. Like it or not, I reckon this will become the new "standard" screen res and as such, people are/will develope code to handle it.

I have been using a Samsung Omnia for a few weeks now, and previously I used an Asus P525 for a little over 1 year. I still have the P525 (keeping it as spare).
Build quality: Asus is top notch as far as I am concerned, on par with my previous SE phones (P800,P900). High quality material all around on the P525.
Omnia is not bad at all, although the plastic case and back will get scratched quite fast, I think. There have been a number of complaints about Omnia units having to be returned for some sort or other hardware problem. Difficult to evaluate how serious it is as you only hear from the people having problems, not those that have not had any.
Software: This is where I think the Omnia is weak at this point in time: there are still a number of bugs in the OS (some major, some minor), whereas the P525 was rock solid (went from WM5 to WM6 no problem). Is it a result of rushing to market ? Nonetheless, Samsung is releasing ROM updates just about every month, so they are certainly trying... Flashing an Omnia is not an easy (or safe) process (no booloader method found to date), and a hardware initiated hard reset is very difficult to achieve (the only time I really had to use it it took me 30 minutes of button pushing to finally initiate the Hard Reset).
If the upcoming Galaxy7 is anything like my P525 and has the right specifications, and Samsung does not clear up a certain number of things that are important to me, I may very well switch.
My 2 cents...

"WCDMA Frequency: 900/1900/2100 (Sorry US readers )"
so it works in 1900umts in USA 3G, right?
i know it should works, but i just want to make sure. haha

Kaiser more powerful than Diamond?

I'm a bit confused here and I'm sure you experts can help.
I've been watching videos of the Kaiser and have been impressed with how much better it runs Slingplayer than my Diamond.
I've tried lots of ROMs and none have resulted in the Slingplayer software running as well as I saw it on the Kaiser Youtube clip.
The CPU Clock on the Diamond is faster and since it is the same manufacturer I'd have thought it would be a more powerful CPU.
Given that the Diamond has more RAM why does the Kaiser give the impression that it is more "powerful" than the Diamond .
Is it more "powerful"? If so why?
Thanks in advance.

Some argue that due to the Diamond having 4x as much resolution, the processor should be 4x as powerful as the Kaiser to achieve the same performance. I personally believe this to be a flawed argument for the simple reason that the HTC Universal was VGA too and it can achieve lightning fast speeds equivalent and faster than Kaiser. It has a 520Mhz Intel processor, but has a meager RAM of 64MB! A ROM just needs time to idealise. My Elfin is more faster than my Diamond at the moment. As I say, just give it a little time to perfect.

Interesting. Does the Diamond and other WM devices really have this adaptive capability. I agree about the VGA issue. I had thought about it but forgot about it briefly when posting. It begs the question, can the Diamond be made to run QVGA? I'd prefer it as VGA seems overkill on such asmall screen (IMHO of course )

It's not so much the phones having an adaptive capability so much as it is ROMs being adapted to the phones.
As for your question about VGA, then I do not know, though if such a thing was possible I would be shocked that I didn't know about it up till now (even though I wouldn't have any intention of utilising such a program).

Surprised what you say about the Universal achieving lightning speeds, mine is really stodgy and slow with a 6.1 rom as well!

Any more thoughts on this matter?