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What's so great about WM6?

Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma

WM6.0...
The new look and a lot faster device...

Is there any feature that won't be available with WM6, that did work fine in WM5?
Thanks,
vma

Video call isn't working yet.

Rolud said:
The new look and a lot faster device...
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The way I see it, WM6 may or may not work for you and may or may not do it for you. Try it. You can always go back to WM5. Most people don't.....

Well .... the simple answer is that I did a lot of searching and reading, and finally tried it out for myself.
I asked this very question a while ago right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1130569&postcount=88
And came to the follwowing conclusion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1155497&postcount=89
In the conclusion, the thing about the Bluetooth Stack / Voice Command - it was actually Voice Command that was the problem and this issue was fixed in Jrwightmcps' 2.02.00 WWE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=297256

Crossbow ONLY!
Tell you the truth... i see the new WM6 is better eye-catching GUI not to mention the enhancement in the functionality and other usability such as email related functions. I know that MS wont just upgrade for no obvious reason nor for desktop OS compatibility.
Yet i reckon i wont -never- go back to magento! Crossbow ONLY!

@nvatvani:
Indeed your posts where the only ones I read, that contained some usefull info about the subject.
No offense to all the other members of course!
I was simply wondering about what to do when my MDA Pro arrives: replace the German firmware with a WWE WM5 one or go straight ahead to WM6 without even looking at WM5.
Also, I had some problems with my Blue Angel, when I tried WM5 on it: it may have been a coincidence, but one day after the upgrade the screen went mad and totally messed up. Only 1 Hardreset in about 100 tries would bring it back to normal for some period of time and even reflashing it with WM5 or 2003SE would not make it work normal again. The screen would get messed up suddenly for no particular reason. At the end I had to send it in for repair, which was actually a good thing, as I complained about the loose stylo and bad working hardkeys, all within warranty. I got a new key-pcb, backside and they reflashed the device with 2003SE. I posted this issue in the BA forum, but got no usefull hint. This means I am a little scared of upgrading to unofficial releases.
Other than that, I have no problems with flashing, as I do that on my other hobby (satellite receivers) frequently, including JTAG-operations for repairing bricked devices. The same applies to games consoles. (Note: I do not sell or benefit commercially from that activity and my goal is not to get illegal software or TV - not that you guy's get the wrong idea about me).
Anyway, thanks for your replies!
Cheers,
vma

What Windows Mobile 5.0 AKU 2.0 has and Windows Mobile 6 (the cooked ones, having tried them all) doesn't have, according to my experiences:
1. Videocalling - at least not a proper one
2. Bluetooth Dial Up Networking (the DUN profile)
3. Wireless Modem (yet some WM6 ROM's have it, although without shortcut in the start menu)
4. Cyberon Voice Dial by default (some WM6 ROM's have it by default, others will need a 500kB CAB to activate it)
The reason why I went back to "good old" WM5 is mainly the reliability. Ok, the OS may be a bit slower here and there, but it has all the functionality (e.g. videocalls and Bluetooth DUN), and NEVER hangs. It just always works and that's what I desperately need right now.
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The things Windows Mobile 6 has for me that 5.0 hasn't which I miss the most:
1. High resolution browsing in the normal Internet Explorer (I don't want to use alternatives)
2. HTML email support
3. The impressive speed of the OS
Applications like WM6's Windows Live and the superb Remote Desktop Client are also available for WM5, so I don't need to miss those, otherwise I sure would, and then I might have sticked with WM6.
The new sounds and GUI are great, but I don't really miss them, since that's not a true functional thing.
Having WM5 up and running again, without freezes and memory leaking and with full HTC Universal functionality, is enough for me to be happy with it and to stick with it. If there ever will be a ROM that actually ADDS Windows Mobile 6 on top of all of this (without a single registry tweak or CAB fix needed), then it's the time for me to upgrade again.
If such a ROM will ever see the daylight, since it won't be officially available for the Universal, I don't know. I think the HTC X7500 (Athena) will be there sooner (April 2007 over here), and that one will have a official WM6 upgrade for sure. That'll be my next one, so until then: WM5 for my Universal!
So far for my opinion.

why do I use WM6
vma said:
Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma
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To be honest, I used them all and later delteted them after 5 2 hours. They leak a lot, ram is at minimum and useless third party applications, and a lot fo thing sodn't really work or missing (I just want a vanill aone without 3rd party applications).
Except for one rom, Darkforce, it is fast and furious, and so far I have using it for two days; battery usage is good, and no leaks. However, no video calling, and no way to set com ports for bluetooth devices. any1 has this problem?
However, common to all ROMS, no video calling, old calculator, speed dial messed up (some work and some don't), wireless connection bubble missing (yes you can install a cab but I don't want to do that).
<Mind you, contrary to other reports, I never had any freezes with any rom.
The thing that attracts me is HTML in email, High resolution mode in explorer, better remote desktop connectivity.
So I thhink I am sticking with DarkForce ROM, so far so good.
Thx

The Official WM6 Thread

Ok guys, so WM6 on Tornado exists (currently running on my device as we speak). But there are quite a few things we need to sort out before it can be released 'En Masse' Before this time I will ignore ALL PMs asking for the ROM.
There is a WM6 comments/suggestion/speculation thread HERE. Feel free to put in requests for embedded apps etc, but please realise we won't be able to put in EVERYTHING. So when the ROM is at a more completed stage we will draw up a shortlist for the apps etc to be embedded and let you vote it out
Current Issues:
Still has identifying build numbers etc to my source
Doesn't sync at all with a PC but will sync over exchange
It says WM5 with MSFP when its really WM6 (OS 5.2.xxx)
No Camera
No MMS
Issues fixed:
Wifi not accessable - new comm manager
No Office (fixed with a cab)
No t9 - updated to xT9 with 14 languages (fixed with a cab)
WLM is still beta and so needs removing and then updating (fixed with WLM RTM cab)
Things we need from a Tornado WM5 ROM
Camera.exe with all the mui extensions
Lets keep this thread clean, ok? I don't want sh!t loads of n00bs saying "where can I download ROM?". So, before you ask, here's my answer. YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD IT UNTIL ITS FINISHED!!!!
If a mod could remove such posts i'd be forever grateful
Please only post if you have information regarding how to fix the issues I've outlined above.
Phil

So... i am Alex from ronswens forum. i promise to fix that if you give me the rom and you can contact me via ICQ .. we need at least 3 tests - first, we upgrade xip, then new os build and then fix the camera...

T9 now fixed, office added, WLM fixed
Phil

@sp3dev, unfortunatley i dont have ICQ, do you have an MSN email address?
Phil

isnt there someone already working on this?
guy called duke_stiks
anyway good luck with the developing and fixing of this.

sandman_06 said:
isnt there someone already working on this?
guy called duke_stiks
anyway good luck with the developing and fixing of this.
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I think this is the sort of n00b-ish comment jm012a9749's trying to avoid in this thread.
I mean, honestly, do you think he believes he's the only one to have attained a tornado version? Come on...
Look, this guy is aware of Duke's efforts, heck we all are, but the more people who get involved, the more efficiently we can get a polished product. There's no guarantee that Duke nor jm012a9749 will be able to do anything, so why should any of us sit back and not get involved? Besides, Duke himself has mentioned that he needs help since he's not an experienced Rom cooker.
Sorry for the rant here, but this sort of attitude really bothers me. Saying "oh, someone's already doing that, sit back and don't waste your time" is why certain projects never see the light of day...
Please only post helpful information or questions!

you can fix activesync by replacing the usbfn.dll file.

sp3dev said:
So... i am Alex from ronswens forum. i promise to fix that if you give me the rom and you can contact me via ICQ - 336030424.. we need at least 3 tests - first, we upgrade xip, then new os build and then fix the camera...
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Alex would you please tell me the new address of ronswens forum?

as usual, ronswens.jconserv.net. as for active sync, i remember those early builds missed actsync.dll.. but better give me the rom, i will use build 17xxx from excalibur and drivers, camera, t9 etc from wm5

Dishe said:
I think this is the sort of n00b-ish comment jm012a9749's trying to avoid in this thread.
I mean, honestly, do you think he believes he's the only one to have attained a tornado version? Come on...
Look, this guy is aware of Duke's efforts, heck we all are, but the more people who get involved, the more efficiently we can get a polished product. There's no guarantee that Duke nor jm012a9749 will be able to do anything, so why should any of us sit back and not get involved? Besides, Duke himself has mentioned that he needs help since he's not an experienced Rom cooker.
Sorry for the rant here, but this sort of attitude really bothers me. Saying "oh, someone's already doing that, sit back and don't waste your time" is why certain projects never see the light of day...
Please only post helpful information or questions!
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Exactly, since day 1 I've been working with duke_stix to help get a working version of crossbow. However now that I've made some progress and actually HAVE a device myself to test on, I felt it was nessary to start a new thread dedicated to it rather than the old dump rom thread
@faria, will try this later, thanks for the advice
Phil

More info on the missing USB sync... under connections, 'USB isnt listed.
Idea's?
Phil

Camera Software
Hi, I found this camera software. Its the one they using in WM6 i think. (Its kinda like the one on my Vox) Im using it on my tronado, and it works with some cert fixes.
Hope this helps

will you be tweaking the rom for speed/performace on the tornado?

sandman_06 said:
will you be tweaking the rom for speed/performace on the tornado?
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seriously sandman,you are not helping!!! am sorry for ranting but like what the thread starter said NO NOOB posting!!! sheesh man!!! they are not "tweaking for performance" for crying out loud!!! they are cooking a wm6 rom!!!

How about we get the ROM fully functional BEFORE we start tweaking it
Phil

samyboy said:
Hi, I found this camera software. Its the one they using in WM6 i think. (Its kinda like the one on my Vox) Im using it on my tronado, and it works with some cert fixes.
Hope this helps
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Thanks alot for that samyboy
Looks like were getting there with regards to functionality
Also does anybody have the Arcsoft MMS client? I've been searching for a while now but no dice. Also could do with the default windows task manager as well.
Phil

Stuff
Maybe you can find some useful stuff here:
http://218.93.115.138/d900/

You can have the WIFI option appear on its current Comm Manager thru Registry.. i have tried it and it worked.. but anyway, glad the new Comm Manager worked also..

The new comm manager also has flight mode, beam and IP Phone buttons on it
Phil

I don't know if we have the same build or version jm012a9749 but the following bugs are present on mine..
"BETA" text on the homescreen
FIX:
HKLM - Software - Miscrosoft - Shell
DELETE - "DeviceBETA" key
You can't open the Sound in Settings (Settings - Sounds)
Culprit could be the file soundsgsm.cpl.xml on /windows/ directory
I just got my new Tornado again awhile ago, and hoping that i could help this team in any way..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=310380

Just a little sugestion >>

hello there!
i am new (4months) to this forum and i have some questions.
i red the wiki. but still some things are very unclear.
but my biggest problem si that i can't figure out how many versions of WM6 are there. all i count is:
1. Midget_1990 v.1.0
2. Universal WM6 Pro ROM
3. Jwrightmcps ROM update 2.02.02
4. Jwrightmcps ROM Update 2.02.00 WEE
5. WM6 CHT/.../DUT with Radio 1.15.00 from Darkforce
are there any others ???
i appriciate all the users that took part of those releases, i realy do appriciate their work, but i think this forum is a little bit unorganised.
wouldn't it be better to name all the WM6 versions in the same way like:
1. [WM6] [Midget_1990] [1.0]
2. [WM6] [Jwrightmcps] [2.02.02]
3. [WM6] [Jwrightmcps] [2.02.00]
etc.....
or something like this, somename that includes the version, the build number, the os number, and put them sepparatly on the top of the forum (sticky).
and i would suggest to keep modifying the first reply from the topic. the one that includes the description of the version and to add all the things that are discovered by users.
sometimes it takes 20 pages to get and to read a reply that says something that really matters to you. the rest is just "thank you" replies.
for example, if you want to use an certain program you might spend a few days reading the topic and find out that you shouldn't have upgraded your device because u cannot run the program.
i personally don't understand what is "Universal WM6 Professional ROM".
from the name of the thread, it is not verry relevant who build it.
and also why is this one "professional"? i would call "professional" the WM6 release from an official source like HTC.
i don't want to offend anyone with this topic.
i just struggle to understand for 2 weeks what is going on with al these versions.
and i hopped that at some point, someone will make a conclusion about evry WM6 version, something like:
"version no.1 crashes evry 20min, etc...
version no.2 doesn't have videocall, msn chat, office, etc...
version no.3 is the best of all but still hasn't got a videocall function. this can be fixed with the cab provided in the topic (link), etc..."
again, i hope noone is offended by my post.
i trully appriciate all your work, but i just think that it needs to be just a little bit organised. all that hard work and sleepless nights of the authors, need to be a little more easy to read.
thanks in advanced for your time and your understanding!

The answer my friend is blowing in the wind
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307625

Hewlit said:
hello there!
i am new (4months) to this forum and i have some questions.
i red the wiki. but still some things are very unclear.
but my biggest problem si that i can't figure out how many versions of WM6 are there. all i count is:
1. Midget_1990 v.1.0
2. Universal WM6 Pro ROM
3. Jwrightmcps ROM update 2.02.02
4. Jwrightmcps ROM Update 2.02.00 WEE
5. WM6 CHT/.../DUT with Radio 1.15.00 from Darkforce
are there any others ???
i appriciate all the users that took part of those releases, i realy do appriciate their work, but i think this forum is a little bit unorganised.
wouldn't it be better to name all the WM6 versions in the same way like:
1. [WM6] [Midget_1990] [1.0]
2. [WM6] [Jwrightmcps] [2.02.02]
3. [WM6] [Jwrightmcps] [2.02.00]
etc.....
or something like this, somename that includes the version, the build number, the os number, and put them sepparatly on the top of the forum (sticky).
and i would suggest to keep modifying the first reply from the topic. the one that includes the description of the version and to add all the things that are discovered by users.
sometimes it takes 20 pages to get and to read a reply that says something that really matters to you. the rest is just "thank you" replies.
for example, if you want to use an certain program you might spend a few days reading the topic and find out that you shouldn't have upgraded your device because u cannot run the program.
i personally don't understand what is "Universal WM6 Professional ROM".
from the name of the thread, it is not verry relevant who build it.
and also why is this one "professional"? i would call "professional" the WM6 release from an official source like HTC.
i don't want to offend anyone with this topic.
i just struggle to understand for 2 weeks what is going on with al these versions.
and i hopped that at some point, someone will make a conclusion about evry WM6 version, something like:
"version no.1 crashes evry 20min, etc...
version no.2 doesn't have videocall, msn chat, office, etc...
version no.3 is the best of all but still hasn't got a videocall function. this can be fixed with the cab provided in the topic (link), etc..."
again, i hope noone is offended by my post.
i trully appriciate all your work, but i just think that it needs to be just a little bit organised. all that hard work and sleepless nights of the authors, need to be a little more easy to read.
thanks in advanced for your time and your understanding!
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wm6 professional ala wm5 pocket pc
wm6 standard ala wm5 smartphone
this is the new naming convention used by M$
there is PDAVIET rom, helmis rom leo's rom and probably rom released by couple of other people
i guess the reason why you see different nomenclature used for the rom is because all rom makers usually work independently.(though i really like your idea)
as for some app being incompatible with one given rom... well i guess i have seen some people claiming that a particular rom broke an application while some one else will say that it works...and frankly speaking the rom makers can not update their bug log just because one guy claims so...

tailazoom said:
The answer my friend is blowing in the wind
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307625
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i'm sorry but i don't really understand what to read at that link.
could you be more specific?

Hewlit said:
hello there!
i personally don't understand what is "Universal WM6 Professional ROM".
from the name of the thread, it is not verry relevant who build it.
and also why is this one "professional"? i would call "professional" the WM6 release from an official source like HTC.
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The link is concering the discussion on the what you called professional rom, the do or don't release of HTC wm6 build for the Universal and the hesitating behaviour of many rebranders.

it`ll get easier
The forum is diverse, this is a good thing, just a little confusing at first.
Also, as i understand it, english isn`t always the first language of all it`s members.(but all who post,post in english, for which i am profoundly grateful )
Goodluck neighbour....

I Agree with HewLit...
ordering them with tags like
[OS][author][version] would make it way easier to find new releases...

Why use WM6 over WM5?

I've tried quite a few of the WM6 ROMS (The only ones I haven't tried was Ivan's and Darkforce's). But I always see myself going back to WM5 (mostly because I miss video calling). Is it just me? or is there something about WM6 that I'm not seeing? This question is much like Windows XP vs Windows Vista... I just couldn't see any reason to use Vista.
Anyone kind enough to site the major differences or advantages between the two? (except for aesthetics, of course)
I know I could just google for comparison charts or something.. but I prefer various "user opinions" So please don't point me here: WM5 vs WM6 chart... besides, it's not very accurate since most cooked WM5 ROMS does have a few added features.

DaVince said:
I've tried quite a few of the WM6 ROMS (The only ones I haven't tried was Ivan's and Darkforce's). But I always see myself going back to WM5 (mostly because I miss video calling). Is it just me? or is there something about WM6 that I'm not seeing? This question is much like Windows XP vs Windows Vista... I just couldn't see any reason to use Vista.
Anyone kind enough to site the major differences or advantages between the two? (except for aesthetics, of course)
I know I could just google for comparison charts or something.. but I prefer various "user opinions" So please don't point me here: WM5 vs WM6 chart... besides, it's not very accurate since most cooked WM5 ROMS does have a few added features.
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I agree with you to some extent.
In my opinion wm5 is much stable and made for the universal device that we all have.
Wm6 is not compatible and a beta app. Video call is part of the hardware and with wm6 , in-directly we have terminated that, in other words the world moves towards 3G/umts and we have made our devices fall back to 2G with wm6 crossbow which doesnot have video call.
Also its like driving hard to make wm6 perfect , which will never happen.
Its just like using a car and trying to put in a engine that is not compatible.
So I think uni devices is directly proportional to wm5. Period!

The reason I use WM6 over WM5 is this:
I love tweaking and messing around with my Universal
I'm not afraid of "bricking" it or having to reflash\loose data
I am hoping (sometimes I think, its a false hope...) that a WM6 ROM will be superior to my old WM5 one
Why the hell not?
Like I've said before - this is a forum for developers\hackers\tweakers, if you want a perfect ROM - look to your manufacturer. If you want to have some fun with your Universal (and void its warranty) then look no further!

TehPenguin said:
The reason I use WM6 over WM5 is this:
I love tweaking and messing around with my Universal
I'm not afraid of "bricking" it or having to reflash\loose data
I am hoping (sometimes I think, its a false hope...) that a WM6 ROM will be superior to my old WM5 one
Why the hell not?
Like I've said before - this is a forum for developers\hackers\tweakers, if you want a perfect ROM - look to your manufacturer. If you want to have some fun with your Universal (and void its warranty) then look no further!
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What he said

ditto ditto

DaVince said:
I've tried quite a few of the WM6 ROMS (The only ones I haven't tried was Ivan's and Darkforce's). But I always see myself going back to WM5 (mostly because I miss video calling). Is it just me? or is there something about WM6 that I'm not seeing? This question is much like Windows XP vs Windows Vista... I just couldn't see any reason to use Vista.
Anyone kind enough to site the major differences or advantages between the two? (except for aesthetics, of course)
I know I could just google for comparison charts or something.. but I prefer various "user opinions" So please don't point me here: WM5 vs WM6 chart... besides, it's not very accurate since most cooked WM5 ROMS does have a few added features.
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There are a couple of apps that I find very useful, the new RDP client is much better & I use that a lot, Internet Sharing is a great tool for connecting to the Internet from my laptop on the move. The upgrade to the Office apps to support Office 2007 documents will help people who move to Off2007, but even though I use it I still save my files in Off2003 format so that the rest of the world can read them.
Apart from that I am sticking with WM5 for now because I need something that works more reliably.

I have reverted back to WM5 just after using the WM6 on universal for ~1h everytime. Reason: Its slow as compared to WM5(yeah, ironic ) and few unfixed bugs
But, what I love about WM6..
1)progress bar in Office apps. I love it when it shows the progress while opeing my big word document containing plethora of pics.
2)no 'unidentified driver' problem: many of us were getting this problem under wm5. I didn't experience it under wm6 under that 1h span though (my solution to that problem in WM5: as long as you use wisbar advance2, you will NEVER experience that problem)
3)glossy looks (though I still prefer wisbar advance)(see the screenshot attatched)
4)better phone integration
On the other hand, I m using WM6 on my wizard and its perfect
[img=http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/370/kamalxa8.th.png]

Well, I don't want to switch back to WM5. Mainly for those reasons:
1/ I don't use video Calling because NO ONE from my about 700 contacts has video calling capabilites (that's Germany ;-)
2/ The new RDP-Client is REALLY great and I use it often to connect to my Server
3/ The Messaging features like "instant search" is for me one of the most important, as I use the universal to write about 20 eMails per Day and take notes when i'm at my customers.
4/ (I know you don't want to read it ;-) The nicer looking
5/ My Universal is much faster with WM6 (not with all releases though) as with the original WM5 ROMs.
6/ The Original T-Mobile WM5 ROM is UGLY AS HELL ;-)
7/ I forgot: The Call-List in the corresponding Contact is another great Feature
If I can think of anything more, I'll tell you

I find WM6 faster and - unlike some posters - much MUCH more stable.

TehPenguin said:
I love tweaking and messing around with my Universal
I'm not afraid of "bricking" it or having to reflash\loose data
I am hoping (sometimes I think, its a false hope...) that a WM6 ROM will be superior to my old WM5 one
Why the hell not?
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I too have been used such reasoning. Unfortunately after a while I came to the realisation that it was a false hope and went back to WM5.
That said, one reason to use WM6 is that the contacts app can query the DirectPush active directory to get Exchange contact details.

nispen said:
I find WM6 faster and - unlike some posters - much MUCH more stable.
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same here. german wm5 is unusable, slow as hell and buggy.

Hi,
I'm using WM6 (LVSW's ROM 2007-05-19) at the moment, mainly because I bought an Imate JasJam (Australian Telstra network) but use it on our "3" network and I didn't want to install the 3 Dopod ROM.
I did remove the Telstra customisations, but then lost Video call.
With LVSW's ROM, I now have video call back - Why do you say you don't have video calls in WM6????
I like to play with devices too!
Benifits so far (48 hours use) no freezes, a little faster, nicer looking & navigation plus there's a few new options but I'm not sure if they are useful to me.
Bad points - less memory storage & everyone at work is asking me about WM6!
Cheers! Oggy.
p.s. look further at video calls - it works for me!

Ogier said:
Hi,
I did remove the Telstra customisations, but then lost Video call.
With LVSW's ROM, I now have video call back - Why do you say you don't have video calls in WM6????
Cheers! Oggy.
p.s. look further at video calls - it works for me!
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REALLY??? Can you please give us more details as how you manage that? Links are good too.

WM5? Which AKU you are you talking about?
Here, the official WM5 release is AKU2, which is so slow that you can zZzZz.
For Cooked ROM, WM5 is up to AKU3.5 which is the one I am using, is with Video Call and fast.
WM6 still does not have video call, but there is a beta VideoCall cab which you can try, some works, some doesn't.
WM6 speed compare to WM5 AKU3.5, speed difference is marginal, but both are definitely faster than WM5 AKU1 & WM AKU2. But for WM6 to be slower than WM5, hmmm, how could this possible.

german t-mobile wm5 rom is quite unstable and unreliable. Some programs doesn't work at all on t-mobile wm5 roms (like cLaunch - ok, I know stupid example because cLaunch doesn't support vga resolutions at all... but it was the first application that came to my mind )
I'm satisfied with the functionality of wm6 roms. there is just one thing I don't like about it - how can I change the keyboard layout of an english rom? I would like to have an english rom but with the layout of a german keyboard - any ideas how to do that?

Ogier said:
Hi,
I'm using WM6 (LVSW's ROM 2007-05-19) at the moment, mainly because I bought an Imate JasJam (Australian Telstra network) but use it on our "3" network and I didn't want to install the 3 Dopod ROM.
I did remove the Telstra customisations, but then lost Video call.
With LVSW's ROM, I now have video call back - Why do you say you don't have video calls in WM6????
I like to play with devices too!
Benifits so far (48 hours use) no freezes, a little faster, nicer looking & navigation plus there's a few new options but I'm not sure if they are useful to me.
Bad points - less memory storage & everyone at work is asking me about WM6!
Cheers! Oggy.
p.s. look further at video calls - it works for me!
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One problem with that - we have the I-Mate JasJar not the JasJam
Not meaning to flame, but as clarification:
I-Mate JasJam - - - - - I-Mate JasJar
Dopod 838Pro - - - - - Dopod 900
O2 Xda Trion - - - - - - O2 Exec
HTC Hermes - - - - - - HTC Universal
So, your WM6 ROM is different to ours
(How do I know the above? Well, I work for 3 in Australia.... )

hello,
I'm using Wm6 beta rom for testing exchange 2007 improvement with this os and there a lot of new features !!
like html mail format, Simplified Administration, Increased Monitoring and Flexible Policy Management ...

aniel1 said:
Video call is part of the hardware and with wm6 , in-directly we have terminated that, in other words the world moves towards 3G/umts and we have made our devices fall back to 2G with wm6 crossbow which doesnot have video call.
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If only there's video call on WM6.. i would stick to it... video calling is quite popular here.. my girlfriend has a 3G fone... so video calling is very important for me.
TehPenguin said:
The reason I use WM6 over WM5 is this:
I love tweaking and messing around with my Universal
I'm not afraid of "bricking" it or having to reflash\loose data
I am hoping (sometimes I think, its a false hope...) that a WM6 ROM will be superior to my old WM5 one
Why the hell not?
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Hehe! Me too..
cottinghamm said:
Internet Sharing is a great tool for connecting to the Internet from my laptop on the move.
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This is also available for the WM5 (AKU3.3 and later) right?
NiTeSHiFT said:
2/ The new RDP-Client is REALLY great and I use it often to connect to my Server
3/ The Messaging features like "instant search" is for me one of the most important, as I use the universal to write about 20 eMails per Day and take notes when i'm at my customers.
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2. Terminal Services can also do this right? though i don't really use it so I wouldn't know if it's better.
3. Oh yeah.. love that too.. way easier than scrolling through messages...
nispen said:
I find WM6 faster and - unlike some posters - much MUCH more stable.
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Maybe you were using an old WM5. You must try WM5 AKU3.5 or WM5 AKU3.5.
Ogier said:
I'm using WM6 (LVSW's ROM 2007-05-19) at the moment, mainly because I bought an Imate JasJam (Australian Telstra network)
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We have Universals my friend, we are on the Universal thread. You have a Hermes...
CWKJ said:
WM5? Which AKU you are you talking about?
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AKU3.3 and 3.5. The older ones are way too slow and crappy.
fla242 said:
like html mail format, Simplified Administration, Increased Monitoring and Flexible Policy Management ...
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Ah yes.. html mail format... very nice too. uhmm.. would you care to elaborate about Simplified Administration, Increased Monitoring and Flexible Policy Management? Thanks...

DaVince said:
If only there's video call on WM6.. i would stick to it... video calling is quite popular here.. my girlfriend has a 3G fone... so video calling is very important for me.
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How popular is the Universal in Manila? Just curious...

cktlcmd said:
How popular is the Universal in Manila? Just curious...
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Not very popular. Probably not more than 25 people owns a Universal in Manila.. and only 3-4 of them (including me) actually bothers to flash their ROMS since they're too scared..
85% of cellphone users here use Nokia since Nokia devices (particularly the N series) have good 3G support. Most PPC devices seen here would be the Atom, XDA II/i, and Dopod 838 Pro.
3G is very good here.. and the reason I bought a Universal is because during the time I bought this (early 2006), this was the first PPC available that supports video calling... So please somebody make video calling work on WM6.. :beg:

Uprade for dummies? A few newbie questions.

Okay, I'm absolutely new to the PDA-Dev stuff. I'm a normal desktop software developer and I only use the PDA's as a normal user ;-)
I have the german T-Mobile branded MDA Pro.
So here are my first questions:
1.) Here in the forums we have a few threads about WM6 on the
- WM6 kitchen release
- Jwrightmcps Crossbow
- Final ULTIMATE - No Bugs HTC Universal WM6 ROM
- Universal WM6 Professional Rom
So, on a first look this is oabsolutely verwhelming. What is the right choice? In other words: When wanting to upgrade, what is the most stable version?
2.) What is this AKU stuff that's mentioned in nearly every post? I can't find a clear explanation of what this really is.
3.) I want to upgrade in a legal way. Loosing support on my MDA is not the problem, but I want a legally licenced WM6 on my pda. So where can I get that?
Are there any other hints, tips & tricks you would suggest for starting with that?

I think you on the wrong forum man!
You need Microsoft website
The only legal version of WM is WM5.
reed this
http://www.xda-developers.com/modules.php?name=News&file=showarticle&threadid=294142

1) Really, the only 'stable' ROM is WM5, WM6 will have some problems, but they are getting better.
2) I actually haven't figrude that one out yet... I assume its the version number or something... never really been important.
3) Short answer you can't, long answewr talk to t-mobile.I'm not aware of any carrier releasing WM6 for the universal, but for a legal upgrade you'd have to get it from your carrire (and most likely have them do it)

Okay.. well.. then.. hrm.. just ignore point three.
Back to point 1.) I do not want a rock stable WM6 on my MDA Pro. But when it comes to different WM6 versions/distributions to choose from, I want the most stable of them. So which one is the one to go for?
To Point 2.) I thought about some version numbering too, but I'm not pretty sure about that. But when it's not really important, why making the difference? ;-)

Is video call important to you?
There is still no known stable Video Call on WM6 yet except for the Video Call Beta by Jwright.
I think there is only 2 known source (correct me if I am wrong) of WM6 for Universal floating around in many forums. The one by Helmi (older AKU) & the one by Ivan (newer AKU). The rest are just variants of this 2. With Plus & Minus features, some bug fix, etc.

CWKJ said:
Is video call important to you?
There is still no known stable Video Call on WM6 yet except for the Video Call Beta by Jwright.
I think there is only 2 known source (correct me if I am wrong) of WM6 for Universal floating around in many forums. The one by Helmi (older AKU) & the one by Ivan (newer AKU). The rest are just variants of this 2. With Plus & Minus features, some bug fix, etc.
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There are 3 bases:
The "Old" base (helmi 0.1, midget 0.1[.1], JWright, etc)
Ivan's new ROM (Ivan V1,2,3)
Midget's new ROM (Midget 1.0, Ivan's customisation of Midget, PDAViet (Latest)
My recommendation (and I think this is the fourth, possibly fifth, time I've said this - grab all the ROMs that are stickied to the forum - and test them all. If you're concerned about stability during your tests then get a spare phone to use.
And if you're trully concerned about stability and legality - stick to your vendor's version of WM 5

PhoenixHawk:
I 'was' in the exact same position as you. I'm a software developer, have never upgraded a ROM before and all these "Crossbow", "WM6 Final", "WM6V3.??", "No Bugs", "Final", etc, etc, had me somewhat scratching my head.
In a total nutshell, I did the following:
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Followed this guide : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...tion On How To Upgrade with Bootloader method
(i.e., downloaded WinRar, and "MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe")
2
Downloaded the first RAR file from this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305512
3
When part 2 had downloaded, I copied the "MaUGradeUt_noID.exe" into the "NOCID_RUU_flasher_xda-devs" directory which is from the extracted RAR file.
4
Copied the "nk.nbf" file from the "Uni_WM6_v3_Ivan" directory into the "NOCID_RUU_flasher_xda-devs" directory from the extracted RAR file.
5
Double-clicked "MaUGradeUt_noID.exe" in the "NOCID_RUU_flasher_xda-devs" directory.
6
Started to worry as the program flashed my ROM.
Some 10 minutes later I had a fully working, zero problem HTC Universal running what looks to be a rock-solid stable version of Windows Mobile 6.
Hope this messages, coming from someone who has never done anything like this before is both easy to follow, 'n00b proof' and proof that it can be done from someone with zero-experience.
I'm sure there's a load of pro's and con's in which ever ROM is downloaded, but I took the chance at what I thought would be an easy to follow option, read as much as possible and it seems to have paid off.
Hope this helps,
J

TehPenguin said:
CWKJ said:
Is video call important to you?
There is still no known stable Video Call on WM6 yet except for the Video Call Beta by Jwright.
I think there is only 2 known source (correct me if I am wrong) of WM6 for Universal floating around in many forums. The one by Helmi (older AKU) & the one by Ivan (newer AKU). The rest are just variants of this 2. With Plus & Minus features, some bug fix, etc.
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There are 3 bases:
The "Old" base (helmi 0.1, midget 0.1[.1], JWright, etc)
Ivan's new ROM (Ivan V1,2,3)
Midget's new ROM (Midget 1.0, Ivan's customisation of Midget, PDAViet (Latest)
PhoenixHawk said:
Okay.. well.. then.. hrm.. just ignore point three.
Back to point 1.) I do not want a rock stable WM6 on my MDA Pro. But when it comes to different WM6 versions/distributions to choose from, I want the most stable of them. So which one is the one to go for?
To Point 2.) I thought about some version numbering too, but I'm not pretty sure about that. But when it's not really important, why making the difference? ;-)
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My recommendation (and I think this is the fourth, possibly fifth, time I've said this - grab all the ROMs that are stickied to the forum - and test them all. If you're concerned about stability during your tests then get a spare phone to use.
And if you're trully concerned about stability and legality - stick to your vendor's version of WM 5
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Your answer should be like above.
PhoenixHawk need the second part, not me.
I thought Midget's was derived from Ivan's, so I was wrong.

@J
You are right, once you get the first working, you can read on or try as many until you are happy with one.

I'll give it a try.
I don't have a spare phone, so my regular one will have to keep up with me ;-)
But first things first: Currently I have some problems getting my MDA Pro syncing with my Vista client. The mobile device center just won't recognize my pda when it's connected. And I can't start about thinking flashing the rom until that's not working... anyone a clue?

PhoenixHawk said:
I'll give it a try.
I don't have a spare phone, so my regular one will have to keep up with me ;-)
But first things first: Currently I have some problems getting my MDA Pro syncing with my Vista client. The mobile device center just won't recognize my pda when it's connected. And I can't start about thinking flashing the rom until that's not working... anyone a clue?
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Take some advice (I didn't listen, thought I was better than everyone else and ending up bricking my phone everytime).
Do NOT use Vista. For the sake of an hour's additional work in either installing another harddrive or swapping it temporarily, do everything within an XP environment.
Trouble free.