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What's so great about WM6?

Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma

WM6.0...
The new look and a lot faster device...

Is there any feature that won't be available with WM6, that did work fine in WM5?
Thanks,
vma

Video call isn't working yet.

Rolud said:
The new look and a lot faster device...
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The way I see it, WM6 may or may not work for you and may or may not do it for you. Try it. You can always go back to WM5. Most people don't.....

Well .... the simple answer is that I did a lot of searching and reading, and finally tried it out for myself.
I asked this very question a while ago right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1130569&postcount=88
And came to the follwowing conclusion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1155497&postcount=89
In the conclusion, the thing about the Bluetooth Stack / Voice Command - it was actually Voice Command that was the problem and this issue was fixed in Jrwightmcps' 2.02.00 WWE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=297256

Crossbow ONLY!
Tell you the truth... i see the new WM6 is better eye-catching GUI not to mention the enhancement in the functionality and other usability such as email related functions. I know that MS wont just upgrade for no obvious reason nor for desktop OS compatibility.
Yet i reckon i wont -never- go back to magento! Crossbow ONLY!

@nvatvani:
Indeed your posts where the only ones I read, that contained some usefull info about the subject.
No offense to all the other members of course!
I was simply wondering about what to do when my MDA Pro arrives: replace the German firmware with a WWE WM5 one or go straight ahead to WM6 without even looking at WM5.
Also, I had some problems with my Blue Angel, when I tried WM5 on it: it may have been a coincidence, but one day after the upgrade the screen went mad and totally messed up. Only 1 Hardreset in about 100 tries would bring it back to normal for some period of time and even reflashing it with WM5 or 2003SE would not make it work normal again. The screen would get messed up suddenly for no particular reason. At the end I had to send it in for repair, which was actually a good thing, as I complained about the loose stylo and bad working hardkeys, all within warranty. I got a new key-pcb, backside and they reflashed the device with 2003SE. I posted this issue in the BA forum, but got no usefull hint. This means I am a little scared of upgrading to unofficial releases.
Other than that, I have no problems with flashing, as I do that on my other hobby (satellite receivers) frequently, including JTAG-operations for repairing bricked devices. The same applies to games consoles. (Note: I do not sell or benefit commercially from that activity and my goal is not to get illegal software or TV - not that you guy's get the wrong idea about me).
Anyway, thanks for your replies!
Cheers,
vma

What Windows Mobile 5.0 AKU 2.0 has and Windows Mobile 6 (the cooked ones, having tried them all) doesn't have, according to my experiences:
1. Videocalling - at least not a proper one
2. Bluetooth Dial Up Networking (the DUN profile)
3. Wireless Modem (yet some WM6 ROM's have it, although without shortcut in the start menu)
4. Cyberon Voice Dial by default (some WM6 ROM's have it by default, others will need a 500kB CAB to activate it)
The reason why I went back to "good old" WM5 is mainly the reliability. Ok, the OS may be a bit slower here and there, but it has all the functionality (e.g. videocalls and Bluetooth DUN), and NEVER hangs. It just always works and that's what I desperately need right now.
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The things Windows Mobile 6 has for me that 5.0 hasn't which I miss the most:
1. High resolution browsing in the normal Internet Explorer (I don't want to use alternatives)
2. HTML email support
3. The impressive speed of the OS
Applications like WM6's Windows Live and the superb Remote Desktop Client are also available for WM5, so I don't need to miss those, otherwise I sure would, and then I might have sticked with WM6.
The new sounds and GUI are great, but I don't really miss them, since that's not a true functional thing.
Having WM5 up and running again, without freezes and memory leaking and with full HTC Universal functionality, is enough for me to be happy with it and to stick with it. If there ever will be a ROM that actually ADDS Windows Mobile 6 on top of all of this (without a single registry tweak or CAB fix needed), then it's the time for me to upgrade again.
If such a ROM will ever see the daylight, since it won't be officially available for the Universal, I don't know. I think the HTC X7500 (Athena) will be there sooner (April 2007 over here), and that one will have a official WM6 upgrade for sure. That'll be my next one, so until then: WM5 for my Universal!
So far for my opinion.

why do I use WM6
vma said:
Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma
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To be honest, I used them all and later delteted them after 5 2 hours. They leak a lot, ram is at minimum and useless third party applications, and a lot fo thing sodn't really work or missing (I just want a vanill aone without 3rd party applications).
Except for one rom, Darkforce, it is fast and furious, and so far I have using it for two days; battery usage is good, and no leaks. However, no video calling, and no way to set com ports for bluetooth devices. any1 has this problem?
However, common to all ROMS, no video calling, old calculator, speed dial messed up (some work and some don't), wireless connection bubble missing (yes you can install a cab but I don't want to do that).
<Mind you, contrary to other reports, I never had any freezes with any rom.
The thing that attracts me is HTML in email, High resolution mode in explorer, better remote desktop connectivity.
So I thhink I am sticking with DarkForce ROM, so far so good.
Thx

Is WM6 Titanium ver2 or ver3 Actually out of test phase yet

Hey guys,
Couple of questions here... first i know ( i just realized) the CDMA version of the wizard is the apache. DOes that mean the wm6 roms for wizard will run on the apache? and second are any of the titanium wm6 roms complete, i.e. out of testing as i have been following threads and none inform me of the answers to these questions.

last I heard, no known working version of wm6 for apache. its actually a different device all together. I have a few friends who have been bugging me to try and get it for them, but I aint messin up their devices. so at the moment only info is in the apache section.

Yes, The titanium rom WM6Ti2 was released (no longer in testing phase) but like NTS said, it's not going to work on your device.

Thanx...
Well that's good. the apache isn't mine, it's my old man's!!! Since joining up here I've been a bit........Naughty. i've been demolishing the IPhone name along with any other that doesn't :
(1)work or is worth the money spent on plastic.
(2) isn't an advised choice by large vote here
(3) carries apples rediculous idea that just because they make good mp3 players they make good phones.

OK I got the titanium and she is beautiful!!!!....BUT...
i got 2 questions for ya.
first how do you change what the HTC home icons relate to and second is there a way to download the addons for MMS and the newer version of the x-button?

You my friend have nothing short of talent.
Well i must say that even though you removed the MMS and WMP it is an awesome ROM! i found and loaded the MMS and it still didn't take anything of my storage and no loss in speed. You have indeed created a very fast rom. One problem though...where can i get the cab file for windows media mobile as i am not too fond of the HTC audio manager?

Noob - What rom to use?

Hello there,
I have some questions that I’m sure every newbie here will need answered.
1- Are there any signs that there will be an official WM6 update?
2- What options will the device lose if updated to an unofficial ROM update? I heard something about video calls and Wi-Fi.
3- What will I gain if I updated my device to WM6?
4- Which is the best ROM update out there and what’s its limitation?
5- Is it stable?
Thanks a lot for advace.

dark hawk, you really have to read around a little.
Unfortunately the (non official) WM6 roms are in a constant state of flux, but you should be comforted by the fact that the WM6 Universal Rom was one of the first "non official" Wm6 roms released. So it's stable enough.
I ran an early one for several months, no problems.
I suggest trying a few, as they will rarely cause any permanent issues, and most are improvements over WM5.
Video calling might be lost. But everything else seems to work well enough.
No idea about an official WM6 rom I'm afraid. Check out HTC's websites.
V

dark_hawk said:
Hello there,
I have some questions that I’m sure every newbie here will need answered.
1- Are there any signs that there will be an official WM6 update?
2- What options will the device lose if updated to an unofficial ROM update? I heard something about video calls and Wi-Fi.
3- What will I gain if I updated my device to WM6?
4- Which is the best ROM update out there and what’s its limitation?
5- Is it stable?
Thanks a lot for advace.
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1. No there will no official WM6 for UNIVERSAL
2. Well you will not lose much other than slight issues with stability (which is also getting refined with the newer cooked ROMS)
Both Video Call and wifi work fine now . and with the new releases to come i am sure it will get further improved
Try using NEW WM6 PRO Business V7 VIDEOCALL by Laurentius26
or indra's UNI WM6 XOJ Version(WWE) by INDRA
both of them are very good ROMS with video call working and most of the bugs/isuues solved
and i am sure even if microsoft had planned an officila release it wouldn't have come close to these
(Remember the days when we had official WM5 and we still loved to use the ROMS cooked by HELMI, INDRA, JW.... Lt.Cmdr.Ivan)
4. No best ROM as such, you will have to find time, experiment with each of them to know which one suits you the most (Tip :- A newer version does not have to be the best of all)
Even after so many releases still there are lots of us who use Jwrightmcps Crossbow ROM Update 2.02.02 WWE, though its not the latest
5. Stability - i will not comment on it as i think people react differntly to the same ROM, for eg - i find indra's UNI WM6 XOJ Version(WWE) by INDRA, very good and stable with no hangups, but if you open the thread for the same there you will find a group of people with a different school of thought. for them its not stable. So the best way to find out is to devote a few weekends on it and experiment flashing the new ROMS, and look for yourself
"THE MOST APPROPRIATE ONE"

vijay555 said:
dark hawk, you really have to read around a little.
Unfortunately the (non official) WM6 roms are in a constant state of flux, but you should be comforted by the fact that the WM6 Universal Rom was one of the first "non official" Wm6 roms released. So it's stable enough.
I ran an early one for several months, no problems.
I suggest trying a few, as they will rarely cause any permanent issues, and most are improvements over WM5.
Video calling might be lost. But everything else seems to work well enough.
No idea about an official WM6 rom I'm afraid. Check out HTC's websites.
V
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Video Call is reported working for most people for Laurentius WM6 V7 Video Call and Indra's ROM if they follow instruction. Do not know why some of them do not work.
Unfortunately my Uni died before I could try WM6.

Perhaps a poll could be created of which Rom is used. That way we know which people have generally plumped for and the more people using it with success the more chance that installing it might be a good idea for somebody else.

I second the idea for a poll.

I've just loaded Jwrightmcps's ROM and am very impressed. Very stable, no real issues for me. I don't need video calling so don't think I'll be changing again soon.

What can i do with my Kaiser?

hello to all of you.
first of all, as everyone, i want to thank everyone who is working hard to make our phones more interesting...
i have a TYTN II - Kaiser
windows mobile 6 professional build 5.2.1620
Rom Version 1.56.405.5
Radio Version 1.27.12.11
Protocol Version 22.45.88.07H (if it's even relevent)
i want to first of all if is there any fix for the bad sound on BT?
is there an update to windows mobile 6.1 and what is the difference? i didn't find an update to my rom version...
doe's WM 6.1 fixes the BT bad quality?
and now, i want to know what can i do to make my kaiser more intersting and fun.
please write me everything that come's in mind.
Thank You very much!!!

tlccksww said:
hello to all of you.
first of all, as everyone, i want to thank everyone who is working hard to make our phones more interesting...
i have a TYTN II - Kaiser
windows mobile 6 professional build 5.2.1620
Rom Version 1.56.405.5
Radio Version 1.27.12.11
Protocol Version 22.45.88.07H (if it's even relevent)
i want to first of all if is there any fix for the bad sound on BT?
is there an update to windows mobile 6.1 and what is the difference? i didn't find an update to my rom version...
doe's WM 6.1 fixes the BT bad quality?
and now, i want to know what can i do to make my kaiser more intersting and fun.
please write me everything that come's in mind.
Thank You very much!!!
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It's ok guys I got this one.
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

alltheway said:
It's ok guys I got this one.
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en
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LOLz.
You need to do nothing, just send me your phone.

i know it's quite a big question but it would be nice to get some ideas.
things you tried and happy with it.
and an advice about the WM 6.1...
thanx

he's already told you what to do. Anyway, here is another hint, read the stickies & wiki.

tlccksww said:
i know it's quite a big question but it would be nice to get some ideas.
things you tried and happy with it.
and an advice about the WM 6.1...
thanx
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It is a big question, but all your questions are answered in this huge forum already, so you have to go and do some reading and searching for yourself and you will find all your answers, plus more and you will learn a lot. You will see what people said about 6.1 and you will see waht people said about BT just by reading other threads.

Dude, theres official BT fix to download from the HTC: (Bluetooth Hot Fix (for HTC TyTN II) )
http://rapidshare.com/files/77706792/Kai06492.CAB.html
When it comes to "what You can do with You device" the limit is the limit of Your imagination. The people at xda-developer is doing magic, but please use the wiki's and the search function like:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/
From this wiki You select the device of Your interest (Kaiser) http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
Now You have the world in front of You: Reviews, Discussions, Hacks and tweaks, ROM upgarding etc.

tlccksww said:
hello to all of you.
i want to know what can i do to make my kaiser more intersting and fun.
please write me everything that come's in mind.
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1. the vibrate function can provide you hours of enjoyment, with proper placement (external or internal, your choice)
2. install as many programs as possible, filling up both main memory and storage card, using them once or twice then never use them again. after flashing a new rom, install a new assortment of software you probably don't need.
3. re-encode your favourite pr0n to ppc scaling and impress your friends with today's pocket pr0n.
4. port over wm5 from the wizard (blinding speeds, you won't be sorry)
5. read ALL the stickies in Kaiser upgrading area of forum (this isn't near as fun as the other suggestions, but you'll be able to answer your own questions, and be comfortable in the knowledge that you can hack your phone "without any help")
1 and 3 make a nice combo too!

Yes there is a WM6.1 upgrade, i am using Shaps at the moment and it seems to work fine for me.
WM6.1 doesnt give you a huge amount new, Shaps 6.1 rom for me has been stable and quick, i dont tend to install much on my phones though other than the included stuff. I do a few bits and install TomTom. 6.1 has threaded sms which is nice but has some annoying little issues, like i cant seem to find a way to forward sms messages any more. bit annoying.
Flicking through some of the other forums people seemed to be muttering about not being able to sync there 6.1 phones with ex2003, i use ex2007 though so i cant comment, mine works fine.
Havent noticed any bad sound quality over bluetooth. Be more specific though, do you mean stereo bluetooth or just normal.
I use the htc home plugin looks nice and works well.
Hope i have helped.
Rob
ps. Remember before you rush out and start flashing roms, read the wiki and things. You have to do stuff like hard spl and things first.
If i were you i would do it in this order.
1. hard spl
2. sim unlock (if needed)
3. wm 6.1 rom
4. radio rom

zetajunkie said:
1. the vibrate function can provide you hours of enjoyment, with proper placement (external or internal, your choice)
2. install as many programs as possible, filling up both main memory and storage card, using them once or twice then never use them again. after flashing a new rom, install a new assortment of software you probably don't need.
3. re-encode your favourite pr0n to ppc scaling and impress your friends with today's pocket pr0n.
4. port over wm5 from the wizard (blinding speeds, you won't be sorry)
5. read ALL the stickies in Kaiser upgrading area of forum (this isn't near as fun as the other suggestions, but you'll be able to answer your own questions, and be comfortable in the knowledge that you can hack your phone "without any help")
1 and 3 make a nice combo too!
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You are one sick and twisted individual and I like it.

Start with the beginning of the internet at www.www.com and read through the entire thing.

I like to turn on wifi, 3g, gps, and bluetooth and use my kaiser to keep my coffee warm.

Original vs Cooked ROMs

A few days ago I posted something on L26 V5 Diamond thread. It was either a very broad subject or a very naive one that nobody cared to write something in reply. Maybe I shouldn't have posted there.
Now I bring the subject here in a separate thread hoping that we would all share our views and experiences with regard to Original/Official WM6.1 ROMs vs the cooked ones. I already apologize if the subject doesn't deserve a thread and leave it to mods to decide whether the thread should remain or be closed.
Here's what I'd posted there:
So far as bugs are concerned, who's the culprit : build 19588.1.1.4 ? or L26_K_D_V5 ??
It seems an error is repeating so often & so regularly that it's becoming a systematic error. What am I talking about?
Well, we usually get so much focused on L26_XXX ROM or Dutty's_XXX ROM ...etc. that we totoally forget about the "Original/Official" ROMs these cooked ones are based on.
Somewhere in the devine XDA text , God once said :
Flash an "original/official" ROM / HR / flash the XXX cooked ROM / HR
The above is now a universally accepted verdict among us frequent ROM flashers. But how many of us do stay upon the "Original/Official" ROM - whether HTC or AT&T ...etc - for 10 minutes (or 10 seconds for that matter !!) ??
We flash the "Original/Official" ROM (whatever version it is - though , we generally tend to flash the Latest Original/Official one) only for the sake of the above said verdict and certainly not to see how that original ROM works on our devices. Understandably, this happens because we're in a hurry to flash the beautiful cooked ones.
What is my point?
How many of the rulings we pass (and the bugs we report) on L26_K_D_V5 have been tested (over a period of a week or so) upon the "Original/Offical" ROM the V5 is based upon (i.e. CE 5.2.19212 Build 19588.1.1.4) ?
Perhaps it's time that someone with an authoritative knowledge of ROMs takes the list of reported bugs/issues of V5, flashes the Build 19588.1.1.4 , rests upon it for a while , and sees if these are native issues of the "Original/Official" ROM or Leo's V5.
Does it sound too idiotic and naive? Maybe. But at least I can claim that I have not seen such thorough comparison between these two specific ROMs anywhere in the forum. Of course, the wise redbandana (God bless him) usually brings us news of (and introduces to us) new Original/Official Kaiser ROMs in separate threads. But what I mean is thorough comparison between these two specific Original/Official and Cooked ROMs.
Cheers

i see your knoweldge and believe that you are on to something, i don't remember what ROM i was on cause i have flashed almost all of them, but when i went to the official of the same build a lot of the same errors were being seen. most times as long as the chef knows of these problems in the official rom they try to cook the fixes into their version but it is not easy to see every bug in a rom by yourself.

tubaking182 said:
i see your knoweldge and believe that you are on to something, i don't remember what ROM i was on cause i have flashed almost all of them, but when i went to the official of the same build a lot of the same errors were being seen. most times as long as the chef knows of these problems in the official rom they try to cook the fixes into their version but it is not easy to see every bug in a rom by yourself.
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the fact is , up in the heaven , all mods/chefs/very_senior_members know all about these things. My point was to open up a window for us mortals down here to have a clearer idea about what we see in (and pass judgements on) cooked roms.
The undeniable truth is that each chef cooks his rom on a specific original version/build and a clearer knowledge of the original built in each case (and a comparison between the two) allows us mortals to have a better understanding of what the chef has actually done in his rom.
As a very minor and silly example, while in L29 V5 Diamond I am struggling to to see why the "disconnect" button in GPRS connectivity bubble is missing, it would be helpful to know whether this is the "default" option of the original built or is it Leo's - and if it is Leo's, what are the merits/faults of his choice.
You may ask why I don't do such thorough survey myself ? Well, to be honest, I would really die to have such extensive knowledge and expertise. But the fact is, some people are savvys and gurus and some are not. It takes me a lifetime to be as knowledgeable as Dutty or Leo or Alex ...etc. I just hope that in here each of us can bring just a little piece of his/her info to share with others on the subject of this comparison.

Well, I've been using HTC original ROMs for a long time, so here's my report:
Original HTC WM 6.0:
- Great radio (1.27.12.17), GPS fix fast, good battery life
- Skype works
- Cleartype works OK on landscape
- No missing G icon or disconnect button when you click the connection icon
- Feels fast enough (a lot of RAM free)
Original HTC WM 6.1 released on may
- Less than 60 MB RAM available on boot
- Bad radio (1.65.16.25), problems connecting to WiFi with WEP enabled, slow GPS fix
- Skype does not work
- Cleartype does not work correctly on landscape
- Does not feel faster, needs new SPL to avoid random freezes
- No missing icons / apps
Original HTC 3.02
- My favourite unless Nothrills comes up with something better
- Excelent radio (1.58.26.20), best GPS and WiFi
- Skype does not work
- Landscape mode works OK
- Camera can be easily patched or updated to 5.04
All of them come with Office and Onenote, Windows Live, and usual utilities
All of them can be tweaked with KaiserTweak or AdvancedConfig and you get a pretty much fast and estable ROM that just works.
No screen redraw problems, no blank screens, no missing buttons, no missing apps...

vcespon said:
Well, I've been using HTC original ROMs for a long time, so here's my report:
Original HTC WM 6.1 released on may
- Less than 60 MB RAM available on boot
- Bad radio (1.65.16.25), problems connecting to WiFi with WEP enabled, slow GPS fix
- Skype does not work
- Cleartype does not work correctly on landscape
- Does not feel faster, needs new SPL to avoid random freezes
- No missing icons / apps
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It's amazing that while reading your report on Original HTC WM6.1 , I suddenly felt as if I was reading the threads of some of the new cooked kasier roms! Everything you said (and a lot not mentioned here) are exactly the same problems reported in those threads over and over again.
So next time when one reports in , for example, Dutty's new rom thread that : "Skype is not working" , or "the cleartype in landscape bug" he should know that these are exactly the same issues in the original 6.1 and has nothign to do with Dutty's rom.

I agree with you so much. Amazingly to Cook a rom is a few files added here, a few files deleted. Put in what you want, make a few tweaks to the registry and Whaaa Laaa.
AMazingly, WM6.1 has a lot of bugs. Probably not what Microsoft expected when they developed the software. The landscape issues I try to tell everyone over and over it has nothing to do with what the Cook did, its a WM6.1 problem.
I do not use skype but I am assuming the same thing. I think in this thread, we should add the most common problems that we have so we can start looking into them more deeply.

Obviously the cooks inherit the bugs of the ROMs they use as base.
HTC finally released an official WM 6.1 ROM for the Kaiser, with "improved graphics" but at a cost.
- Bad radio. 1.65 radios are not better than 1.27 or 1.58. Ask anyone about GPS fix or battery.
- They changed a display routine so it's faster, but they screwed cleartype on landscape mode, that was working on previous HTC ROMs
- A lot less memory available, and I do not see a big speed increase in return
- The ROM feels heavier than previous one, the screen switches in one move, but the total time to do the switch is longer than previous ROMs
- Skype does not work, it was working on WM 6.0
Some of these bugs have been corrected by cooks when adding files from other builds. HyperDragon III works OK on landscape, ROMs from L26 and Dutty work with Skype... But they introduce other bugs like the missing G icon, or disconnect button.
I hope they interchange their findings so we finally have a ROM where everything works. I don't care if it gets 1432 or 1512 points on some benchmark, if HSDPA does not work, or the device soft-resets while playing MP3, then I'm not going to use that.

Reading all of this makes me wanna downgrade to 6.0. Until we have a working Android, that is...

Just wanna share with you as I am using an official ROM for a long time now.
Original ROMs are the best as they have every thing working. Yes everything, sometimes a minor bugs are annoying like I was unable to send a vcard as sms using one of the super ROMs.
I think the only point is tweaking. If we tweak the original ROM they will perform as good as the cooked one.
As much as the chefs change in ROM as much as we get bugs. My opinion is chefs should concentrate on main issues and always release lite versions leaving options for users.
I have to admit that I have learnt a lot from cooked ROMs which helped me to tune the original ROM to my best.

msharaf said:
Just wanna share with you as I am using an official ROM for a long time now.
Original ROMs are the best as they have every thing working. Yes everything, sometimes a minor bugs are annoying like I was unable to send a vcard as sms using one of the super ROMs.
I think the only point is tweaking. If we tweak the original ROM they will perform as good as the cooked one.
As much as the chefs change in ROM as much as we get bugs. My opinion is chefs should concentrate on main issues and always release lite versions leaving options for users.
I have to admit that I have learnt a lot from cooked ROMs which helped me to tune the original ROM to my best.
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Yeah, that's what I have suggested yesterday but met the offence only.
Well, different people, different opinions.

ryncppr said:
I think in this thread, we should add the most common problems that we have so we can start looking into them more deeply.
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ryncppr, apart from the need to learn more about Original roms, i also came across another strange fact that is widely ignored.
Does anyone care "what" original rom to flash before flashing his desired cooked one? I read many of the threads ; it seems that nobody does pay any attention to this matter. BUT the type of Original rom we flash before flashing the cooked one (depending on our geographical location and the make of our phones), DO CERTAINLY COUNT A LOT.
This is what I noticed and just posted on Dutty's V1 thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398271&page=90
Technically, I don't understand why this happens (perhaps you as a good chef could explain this matter in technical terms) , but I have no doubt now that it is crucially important what original rom we flash first.

Bardia Garsha said:
ryncppr, apart from the need to learn more about Original roms, i also came across another strange fact that is widely ignored.
Does anyone care "what" original rom to flash before flashing his desired cooked one? I read many of the threads ; it seems that nobody does pay any attention to this matter. BUT the type of Original rom we flash before flashing the cooked one (depending on our geographical location and the make of our phones), DO CERTAINLY COUNT A LOT.
This is what I noticed and just posted on Dutty's V1 thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398271&page=90
Technically, I don't understand why this happens (perhaps you as a good chef could explain this matter in technical terms) , but I have no doubt now that it is crucially important what original rom we flash first.
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A big problem is that people do not believe you need to hard reset after you flash a ROM. You do. THe process that WM has built in only clears the memory and storage files, leading to useless junk that gets left behind.
I used to think if I flashed a ROM it was completely getting rid of the last rom, which has found not to be the truth. Though a clearing system file is now shown on the screen, it is not truly getting rid of all the old files, hence the problems with putting ROM over ROM.

bad practice
I know it's a bad practice to have, but I very rarely hard reset my phone after a flash, and I have to admit I never flash the originals back to my phonebefore flashing. once in a great while I hit a weird glitch that I can't seem to find a solution for, and so I hard reset to fix it. I guess part of it is that i'm so impatient that I can't stand to wait a few extra minutes. I check the site anytime i'm not working and if there is a new rom available I've downloaded and flashed before looking through the bugs found. I guess i'm gonna start going to originals first and hard reset every time, now to help on that, is there a way that we know of that will automatically do the hard reset one time right after a flash? I know UC wouldn't work cause it runs after the hard reset/flash so it would loop. if we could cook the rom to auto reset once and one time only it would help out those that ocasionally "forget."
on a side note, this was typed through my phone so sorry for any spelling errors there might be and thank you ryncppr for a great rom.

tubaking182 said:
I know it's a bad practice to have, but I very rarely hard reset my phone after a flash
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The truth is you are a big boy and can handle the giltches/issues. Just take a look at hundreds of posts out there in which people complain and report about some of the most unthinkable issues (e.g. "my phone resets itself every 5 minutes" (Jesus Christ) !! or "when I push the call button my phone starts media player"!! perhaps soon we should expect posts that will read: "after disconnecting the bluetooth headset, our washing mashing stopped working" !
I know that for example Dutty is very serious on his belief on flashing original/HR/cooked/HR every single time one wants to flash a rom - and for god's sake this man really knows what he's talking about.
Sometimes very bizarre things happen when one ignores the above must-do process.
However, my main object here was to invite people to share their bits of info on what a specific original rom does (or might do) to our devices when it's flashed prior to a specific custom rom , and why.
and btw, your spellign is brilliant.

original HTC Tytn II ROM
Hello, since I`ve updates my HTC Tytn II I have too much problems with my internet connection, wifi, gps,...so I would like to upgrade to the previous Version WM 6.0 Prof. (original, german).
Have someone a linke where I could find original (geman) ROMs?
Thanks for your help,
Lou

loubega said:
Hello, since I`ve updates my HTC Tytn II I have too much problems with my internet connection, wifi, gps,...so I would like to upgrade to the previous Version WM 6.0 Prof. (original, german).
Have someone a linke where I could find original (geman) ROMs?
Thanks for your help,
Lou
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I'm afraid your post has nothing to do with this thread - just wonder why u posted this here !
anyway, you can find the original/official kaiser roms here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs

HTC & AT&T do different things
Ok, in oder to see the effects of different original/official roms we flash before the custom rom, i did the following and noticed an obvious difference:
1) flashed AT&T offiical WM6.1 CE 3.14.502.1 (built 19209) and then L26 V5
- flashed the same official AT&T and then Dutty's Diamond V1
in both cases, both L26 and Dutty's roms were not functioning optimal on my device. had to deal with many issues (from BT to GPRS to connectivity ...etc. as well as general responsiveness of the device)
2) flashed HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0 and then L26 V5
- flashed the same original HTC and then Dutty's Diamond V1
in both cases , both L26 and Dutty's roms were functioning a lot better on the device. almost %90 of the previous issues were gone.
in both 1) & 2) I used radio 1.65.16.25 and observed strictly the same procedure (usb flashing, same HR, no SD card inserted, no 3rd party app installed ...etc.)
what's going on? i'm now more confident that the type/version of the original or official rom we flash prior to the custom rom affects the custom rom and its behavior on our devices hugely.
this is still widely igonored by the chefs as i've never heard them on their threads mentioning/suggesting what original/offiical rom should be flashed prior to flashing their cooked roms.

I think alot of what you are trying to accomplish here was discussed previously. I have always been a proponent of trying to use Original ROMs in order to better understand what is "original" vs what is cooked and doing all tweaks by myself:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389519

Just stumble upon this. I think this one is quite insightful. But yet we have only Cooked ROM threads, reviews, and comments. Not on Stock ROM... once a while though *wonder why.. LoL*
Maybe we should encourage people who use stock ROM to start a thread for their own stock ROM version and make some reviews among the users? Not so good idea, but not so bad either.
I mean this thread is not only to know what work in 6.1 and what doesn't, right?
And for the current moment maybe we could have common concensus for responding to 'bizarre problems after flashing ROM xx.. bla.. bla bla' with : reflash stock rom -> hard reset -> reflash cooked rom -> hard reset -> still have problems?

Just stumble upon this. I think this one is quite insightful. But yet we have only Cooked ROM threads, reviews, and comments. Not on Stock ROM... once a while though *wonder why.. LoL*
Maybe we should encourage people who use stock ROM to start a thread for their own stock ROM version and make some reviews among the users? Not so good idea, but not so bad either.
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Schizo, im gonna do it in few days! I'm working on cooked first. But i have in plans to test Stock ROMs...