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What's the best video format for this PDA? What format plays it best? (Without fps drops). I've ordered the TC but it's still on it's way so I started preparing by getting the correct programs for it.
Thanks in advance.
Try DivX Converter.
jant90 said:
What's the best video format for this PDA? What format plays it best? (Without fps drops). I've ordered the TC but it's still on it's way so I started preparing by getting the correct programs for it.
Thanks in advance.
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Pocket Divx Encoder - it is free and it does the job..
Just leave the settings as is and do 320x240 resolution - I am not experiencing any issues with videos done like this.
Top Tip. Thanks Nikiiv. Will try it today.
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Pocket Divx Encoder - it is free and it does the job..
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Great program (with free xVid), but DivX Converter is better.
Whichever converter you use isn't particularly important. The OP asked about video *formats*. Down-sizing an AVI to 320x240 (as mentioned above) certainly seems to work fine on my TC - 227% on Core Player during a high action scene. So that's certainly what I'd recommend - AVI, 320x240...
avi is not a true format though it's a container which can include various formats
divx being one of the nicer ones
think it's the same with mov from apple it also have various formats like mp4 and others
Can anyone do some speed comparison on DivX vs. Xvid?
Or perhaps 3GP plays more efficiently? Or some other format?
Has anyone done some testing with this? Taken a source file and converted it to the various formats a TC can handle, and seen which of these formats gets handled best?
I have tried a few different formats (I converted Holy Grail; Life of Brian and Meaning of Life so I can have them witn me at all times). I had set them all to convert at 320x 240.
I used Roxio10 to do the conversions.
I had initially been playing back on WM Player but found CorePlayer better ito ease of use and DivX playback.
3GP: smallest size of about 118MB; video was a little too blocky and there was some Video/Audio lag.
WMV9: large size, excellent picture quality but very choppy video and some Video/Audio lag.
WMDevices: as in WMV9 but much less choppiness and better Video/Audio lag.
DivX:
Large size (about 408-448MB per movie); excellent picture quality, no VIdeo/Audio lag.
Therefore, I deleted all other formats and now just use DivX with Coreplayer.
Videos/Movies are stored on a Sandisk 6GB Micro-SDHC card.
Hope this helps you with your choices.
T
Turnipio said:
I have tried a few different formats (I converted Holy Grail; Life of Brian and Meaning of Life so I can have them witn me at all times). I had set them all to convert at 320x 240.
I used Roxio10 to do the conversions.
I had initially been playing back on WM Player but found CorePlayer better ito ease of use and DivX playback.
3GP: smallest size of about 118MB; video was a little too blocky and there was some Video/Audio lag.
WMV9: large size, excellent picture quality but very choppy video and some Video/Audio lag.
WMDevices: as in WMV9 but much less choppiness and better Video/Audio lag.
DivX:
Large size (about 408-448MB per movie); excellent picture quality, no VIdeo/Audio lag.
Therefore, I deleted all other formats and now just use DivX with Coreplayer.
Videos/Movies are stored on a Sandisk 6GB Micro-SDHC card.
Hope this helps you with your choices.
T
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That was really useful, thanks. I'm already using CloneDVD Mobile to convert my DVDs (to DivX, 320 x 240) and it does the job really well. I'm using the generic DivX setting, 1 pass and quality set at 66 (I think I can have it lower without a visible quality loss), cropping of the black bars at the top and bottom (full letterbox zoom) and including subtitles of choice. It only takes around 30~ minutes to convert an entire DVD. File got 1,05 GB at this quality though. Also I saw that CloneDVD is using DivX4, will this be a problem? (Latest version is 6).
Now I just need a program to convert my movie files, I tried Pocket Divx Encoder quickly but it gave me errors. I'll play with it some more.
Thanks again,
Jan
I use SUPER as my video converter between any type of video files and I think it's pretty good and is also free!:
http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html
Cheers.
= J =
profitoral said:
I use SUPER as my video converter between any type of video files and I think it's pretty good and is also free!:
http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html
Cheers.
= J =
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Good tip, the program looks really nice! Too bad the lastest version is bugged for Vista users (like me). How is this program handling subs (if you tested it)? I believe it can only encode subs via DirectShow, right?
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Good tip, the program looks really nice! Too bad the lastest version is bugged for Vista users (like me). How is this program handling subs (if you tested it)? I believe it can only encode subs via DirectShow, right?
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I never tried subs... I think I would go blind trying to watch them in such small screen
Cheers.
= J =
Hmm, SUPER is doing a good job but I can't combine cropping with resizing, I wanna crop my 16:9 movies to 4:3, but the cropsettings get overwritten by the resize settings. Also I'm more looking for a one-click-crops-all solution, like CloneDVD Mobile is doing with it's letterbox zoom option. Does anybody know if there is such a program?
Playing DivX files with CorePlayer produces a nervous audio sync effect, that is impossible to get just right, even with tweaking the a/v sync.
Playing them with DivX Player mobile is the best, after you adjust the player's a/v sync to about +.25 s.
Anyone else done this?
edan said:
Playing DivX files with CorePlayer produces a nervous audio sync effect, that is impossible to get just right, even with tweaking the a/v sync.
Playing them with DivX Player mobile is the best, after you adjust the player's a/v sync to about +.25 s.
Anyone else done this?
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Adjusting it to -0.25s seemed to help me immensely with my sync issues, both in Core player and TCPMP. With Coreplayer, QTV and Medium quality a 512*288 DivX of Jericho seems watchable without any noticeable slowdowns. Will be doing some more testing, and will see if I can try DivX Mobile too..
*Edit* Wow DivX Mobile was awful. Horrible framerate AND quality, hardly any settings to choose from, and the interface was terrible too. That's not staying on my memorycard..
I just installed the updated CorePlayer, the previous one made picture taking unusable, and did the -.25 a/v sync, and it really looks good. I hardly notice any dropped frames.
I've pinned the CorePlayer shortcut to directly to the touchFlo cube. That's the best we can get right now...
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Good tip, the program looks really nice! Too bad the lastest version is bugged for Vista users (like me). How is this program handling subs (if you tested it)? I believe it can only encode subs via DirectShow, right?
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Don't know about you two, but I would try the damned Super program if the website wasn't so flawed (not to mention verbose) as to bring me about in circles. And yes, I did read his note about empyting my cache and Java, and blah blah blah, he needs to fix that website.
Edit: Just found the actual link after skimming everyingthing, I'll edit this post w/my impressions once I try it out.
I´m using Spb Mobile DVD.
XviD - 25fps - 320x240 - 500kbit/sec
Playing this stuff with CorePlayer 1.2.0.. Its perfect
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I just installed the updated CorePlayer, the previous one made picture taking unusable
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Which version caused problems, and which version do you have now?
Maybe this is a really dumb question,
but i have this problem with longer movies, say 50 movies. If i watch them on my phone they hang and lag terribly! i dont know what the problem is... short movies arent the problem! plz help
which player do u use?
try tcpmp.
i watch much longer movies using that and no lag.
tried tmcp but same result! could it be that my memory card is too slow?
cpt.bert said:
tried tmcp but same result! could it be that my memory card is too slow?
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maybe the video you are watching is too big to handle for the vox's cpu ? if thats the case.. then use PocketDivXEncoder to scale down the file and qulity, which you can't see on the phone.. This allways works and you won't have any lag at all .. ! Try it, its free.. Not only that but your video files will get much smaller in size!
It usually is a memory problem. You should reencode them to lower bitrates and/or resolution and use a codec that doesn't need much processing power!
EDIT: Ups you were faster!
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It usually is a memory problem. You should reencode them to lower bitrates and/or resolution and use a codec that doesn't need much processing power!
EDIT: Ups you were faster!
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Hehe well then it just got confirmed..
But my suggestion would be that you use TCMP and then encode your videoes with PocketDivXEncoder.. It encodes the movies in divx format which TCPMP supports fully..
Good TIPS Friends... I convert all movies to MP4 format and plau using my default 710 (Windows Media Player). No issue for me. I will also have a try of TCPMP player and compare it Hope this will be much light for phone memory
Q: What format is best for pocket pc (MP4 or Divx converted by PocketDivXEncoder) ?
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TCPMP Player: http://tcpmp.en.softonic.com/pocket
PocketDivXEncoder: http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/
Video Recoding Tutorial - Video Settings
I worked on this pretty long and finally I do it this way:
Convert my videos with "Any Video Converter" (Freeware, google for it).
Use the following setting and the video will flow easily and the quality remains good:
Profile (defines the format): Mobile Phone MPEG-4 Movie
Codec: mpeg4
Size: 320x240 or 220x176, in this case size doesn´t really matter and does not effect the filesize that much.
Videobitrate: 96 kb/s is enough and gives u a good videoquality, the audioquality is more important, especially when u listen on the build in speakers.
video framerate: 15 fps (frames per second) are enough for fluid playback.
Audio Bitrate at least 128kbs, lower bitrate will sound like a tin.
Samplerate: 48000, sothat the audio is synch to the video.
So finally u will get a 90min. movie with about 130-150MB. That sounds little, but believe me, the quality is as good as a 300MB movie. If the quality is bad, the original movie itself has alot of pixelfractures in it.
U can watch the movie in win-mediaplayer without any codec-problems.
I got about 30 full length movies on my 4GB storagecard on VOX.
Here are my tips:
U can batch-encode them, just load the movies in the prog an check all boxes, do the settings once and let the prog recode all movies.
U can merge 2 files into 1. if u got the movie in 2 parts for example. just check the 2 files and rightclick merge down.
Check the aspectratio of your movies. in most cases it´s no problem with 320x240 size, but if u haven´t got a 16:9 movie, for example a 4:3 or widescreen without letterboxes, the movie will not be shown correctly, concerning the ratio. in this case set the size to "original", and probably change the settings in win mediaplayer not to fit the video automatically on screen.
What increases or decreases filesize the most are the video and audio bitrates.
Tried it a million times, the settings here are the best. otherwise u will get a huge filesize with almost no better video quality. But don´t get lower than the settings I mentioned above.
so thats my way, works best!!
PS: It´s actually not a matter of what player u use, it´s just that videoplayback in general uses the cpu heavily. But even if u got a better phone with better cpu u can use this settings, as I mentioned, u cannot see alot of diffrence to an 300MB movie, but u will be able to store the doubled amount of movies on your sd-card.
If so how was the viewing and what media player did you use? I haven't tried it yet. Although I do have the latest version of TCMP loaded on my device.
I've moved some tv programs over (synced them like this http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=743) and the quality was really good. I'm just using Windows Media player which is probably the worst of the players. I found that if I went to fast forward there would be a delay between the sound and video but if I just let it play it was perfect.
I followed the advice that was posted in a previous thread (I can't locate it at the moment) and ripped my DVDs to MP4/H.264/AAC/1000 kbps/29.97 bps, 640/360 size (for 16:9 movies), then used the built-in Windows Media Player to play them. The playback is virtually flawless - smooth, no dropped frames, virtually no pixleization on action shots, etc. This even works great for really difficult movies - Blade Runner, ID4, Matrix, etc. Some notes:
- I'm storing the movies on a 8GB Class 6 microSDHC card, which provides much faster performance than the cheaper Class 2 and 4 cards
- The files are big - each 2 hour movie is around 1GB
- The movies still play great in fullscreen mode
I've used the free apps like SUPER or AutoMKV, as well as Corel DVD Copy, and they all work fine.
John
Because I already had the iPod Touch, I didn't really feel like having an iPhone. I really thought the TP would be a good alternative. Of course I realized that the multimedia experience would be a little less because of the smaller display etc. But I never would have guessed that playing any movie on my TP would be such a disappointment. I tried the mediaplayer of course and I also tried the coreplayer and the Divx player for the PPC. They all play the movie either too small, no movie at all or bad quality etc. I have to admit, I stopped trying pretty soon and will pick up on this as soon as I have flashed a custom rom or something, but I would really appreciate it when someone could direct us in this thread on how to enjoy movies on the TP.
^ that's weird because I'm using the newest version of coreplayer and its opening and playing pretty much all divx and xvid encoded files that I've copied over. I am trying to find a simple way to copy my favorite dvd movies to it though (for a long bus ride this coming T-day).
BTW, does anyone know how long the battery will last watching a movie on full charge without AC power?
Haven't watched a movie yet, but was playing around with the AT&T CV application (Cingular/ Cellular Video). My daughter and I watched a couple of preview for upcoming movies. I was blown away by the picture quality.
I moved over some regular sized movies onto my microSDHC, playing on coreplayer, output GDI, quality Medium, and it runs perfectly full screen. Make sure aspect ratio is 4:3
The only gripe so far is WMV files that are larger resolution on Coreplayer or WMP. Everything else seems to play fine. I have a copy of Casino Royale on my phone just to piss on the iphone boys when I show them my resolution and clarity. The playback is flawless it really looks like a a mini HD screen, I love this thing.
i watched happy gilmore then a bunch of tv eps that looked great using coreplayer and the divx player
but i downloaded some movie trailers from ign in wmv format and they were vga res and would barely play they had so much lag! i dont understand that at all
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I moved over some regular sized movies onto my microSDHC, playing on coreplayer, output GDI, quality Medium, and it runs perfectly full screen. Make sure aspect ratio is 4:3
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Make sure aspect ratio is 4:3? Why is that? I just tried that and this f*cked up my widescreen episode of Heroes. The GDI, quality Medium tip however, made my movie run much smoother. But again, having to set the quality to medium surely doesn't enhance the 'movie experience'.
I guess it depends how the original movie is formated. i used 4:3 for 640x360 movies. I think medium still looks great. I dont think you could expect any phone to run it super high quality. Remember we have a super high res screen for a phone.
I've streamed Borat from my PC with Orb and the quality was excellent.
I have noticed that I can watch a movie that is 640x480 at the highest quality no problem. The second i try to watch a 640 x 350 movie at high quality it lags like crazy. Anyone else notice/try this?
How will you get a full movie (Wall-E) to work on the AT&T Fuze? Do you have to convert to a different format or size? Please help.
For best performance, it's best that you convert it. The more you start doing it and mess with the settings, the better you'll become and find which settings yield the best results.
I originally tried Quicktime Pro for this, but the people at Apple have decided that the iPhone screen is the biggest resolution they want to support on export, and I don't want the player scaling up, so I had to look elsewhere.
I'm playing with a program called Allok MPEG4 converter (http://www.alloksoft.com/mp4_converter.htm), which seems to do a nice job if a bit slowly. Of course, to do a nice job requires LOTS of processing power. I have been using the defaults except for making the output H264 and 640x480. Once the files are converted, I just copy them to the Fuze's SD card and play them from there.
I use a program called VideoReDo (www.videoredo.com) to suck in the DVD files and make a single large MPG file from them (the free DVDShrink will also work for this, if you can still find it somewhere), then load that single file into Allok and let it run. A decent DVD will take pretty much overnight to process. The results have been very good so far.
Start with a small (5 minutes or so) piece to practice with and try various settings, then when you're happy, let the full movie conversion run overnight.
Also, be aware that most commercial DVD's will have DRM and you will have to deal with that before you can do anything with the files.
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How will you get a full movie (Wall-E) to work on the AT&T Fuze? Do you have to convert to a different format or size? Please help.
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If you are converting from an .avi file then you can try PocketDivXEncoder (freeware). It has presets for Diamond which you should start with. You should decide whether you want VGA or QVGA. VGA should look a little sharper but will be ~30% increase in file size and on a 2.8" screen the difference may not be much. Test for your self
I would modify some of the settings though. Leave video as is. Change the audio (small arrow on the left) to 32Khz 80 kbps stereo. Go to advanced and tick 2-Pass and Xvid.
What is your source file for the movie? If its on DVD then you definately want to convert it. Once all of my media is ripped or converted to the container / format I want I leave it at computer base resolution and just play it on the phone. Core player has done pretty well at handleing what I put at it so far.
Now that PocketDivx Encoder is a good program and does a pretty good job and shrinking files down.
Any recommendations on codecs, resolution and bitrate? I would especially be interested if anyone knew which settings preserved battery life the best while watching video.
Menneisyys has a good thread on video playback.
I use Core Player and I really don't covert any of the TV shows that I watch.
Windows Movie Maker is a great tool too. Its free (if you have XP SP2 installed) and it uses WMV format that Windows Media Player Mobile will play without any addons.
If you watch alot of movies on your Touch Pro I would suggest investing in Core Player, it plays most of the commonly used codex and its pretty quick too.
Bit rates and resolutions: I have found that if its a TV show that is about 40 to an hour, I dont have to do anything with it. For example an episode of House is about 42 minutes long, its 624x352 and running at 23.97 frames. With Core Player the episode looks flawless, eventhough the statistics on Core Player say its dropping frames, I can't tell.
I would think that a full length movie would perform a little worse, or a TV show with alot of action.
Also fatheadpi has this thread posted about encoding video for the Raphael phones.
Thanks for all the reply's. I'll try them out.
Watch Movies on Fuze Problems
So I got an HTC FUZE not too long ago and have been trying desperately to get it to play movies.
Windows Mobile Player does not want to play the wmv files I give it...
and no matter what file I use with CorePlayer the audio is terrible
mpegs, mp4, avi, h.264...
All of these videos will play fine on my computer but as soon as I get it to my phone, the audio goes to crap.
To make it all more difficult, I only have a Mac to sync this device with, so Windows based programs are useless to me...
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks all,
'Jammin
I too have been trying and so far no Success
Operating my Fuze in cooperation with a Mac Laptop is difficult enough. The programs most suggest to convert videos exist mainly for PC.
I have used many methods of conversion and found no luck with producing watchable quality on my FUZE
CorePlayer gives me bad audio playback when the video played perfectly on my computer
and Windows Media Player will not play my bigger wmv files for some reason.
Let me know if you found a combo of programs and settings that really works
'Jammin
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
I use this and it works great. Converting the video is a pain in the butt.
+1 Take time to convert but yield a much better result in viewing your video in either Album or WMP
Thanks for the info, but isn't that program for PC's?
I have many different methods of converting videos
from freeware that helps me with wmv's (as I am on a Mac and that is somewhat hard to do)
To Final Cut Pro's Compressor and even Adobe's version
Windows Media Player on my Fuze seems not to like any files over 100mb
and even though the video will look awesome on my computer after conversion, the players I use on my phone completely destroy the audio...
I've searched up and down threads like these and am at a complete loss...
qwik question
which is better to convert movies to my fuze spb video or avs video?
sorry people
um what size micro sd card on average would I need to store the videos?
get at minimum a 4GB microSDHC... under $8 if you're lucky
or a 8GB for $16... no reason to jump for that now that memory isn't that expensive
Use coreplayer bro
I bought it, and its amazing $29.95... Don't convert anything that I get. It only has trouble with on6 flv files, and devs say it'll never support codec. Shame, because flash 9 and 10 protected movies are almost all encoded with this...
A small ffmpeg utility can run one through flv to avi, keeping aspect and original source resoultion, and process a 1.5 hour flv file in about 3 minutes and give you a great quality avi output for your phone
With TCPMP I get lag when watching full movies, but Coreplayer is fine
Set video to the qtv display, high quality.
If you've got bad audio, perhaps you need to lower the pre-am if muffled, or increase if quiet
Also, you may have equaliser enabled, and not know it.
Check the options section go through pages
There definatley should not be a problem playing media with this program
Only problem now is.... I bought this... ya sweet - but now can't afford to get my raph unlocked until next month
So still without a mobile
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News Flash
Disney released Wall-E on DVD and Blue Ray discs. I have yet to see a cell phone with a built in DVD or Blue Ray player.
The motion picture experts group (standards body)...MPEG for short, many years ago, decided to evolve the distribution techology (for consumers), from MPEG-2 to MPEG-4. MPEG-4 is a broad spec and covers everything from small hand held devices to HD quality video (H.264, VC-1 etc).
Your Touch Pro has built in hardware acceleration to handle MP4 up to a reasonable limit. Your best built in video players, as delivered by the OEM, are HTC Album and Windows Media Player. Both apps support hardware accleration for MP4 video.
I continue to read about (and have purchased) Coreplayer. In the mobile space, Coreplayer is a modest improvement over the free open source TCPMP player. CorePlayer, caused a brief stir when they half-hacked into the (modest) built in hardware acceleration on the HTC Kaiser.
On a Touch Pro, Coreplayer does support non industry standard video formats, but only in software mode (slowly rendered down sized formats). Coreplayer fails dismally, when compared to Album or WMP for MP4 playback.
So...yes, convert your content to a fully supported format. Or...leech your content in supported formats. Search this forrum and you'll find guidance, and free conversion tools.
In particular MKV files.
I have noted that if I playback an 720p MKV with AC3/DTS sound the video plays perfectly fluid. No microjudder or frame drops AFAIK. But there is no sound of course because the inbuilt player does not support AC3/DTS natively.
However add AAC 2.0 audio into the file (MKV or MP4 container it matters not) I see judder. Kinda like when you have 23.976FPS playing on a 50Hz PAL CRT.
I have tried muxing at various framerates and interestingly the judder gets faster the higher the FPS. Very odd.
I'm used to dealing with AV stuff as I use MPC-HC/ReClock/MadVR etc to my HDTV over HDMI (BTW my Panasonic G20 Plasma does not recognise the TF HDMI output. My PC monittor does however so the TF is outputting in an unsupported res/Hz for my HDTV obviously).
It's puzzling me how when the TF does not have to playback audio the video is perfect but as soon as it has to decode audio it throws a wobbly.
The other interesting thing of note is that Youtube vids at 720p and even 1080p (Big Buck Bunny for instance) play just fine. Methinks that Flash is optimized to the Tegra 2 chip whilst the inbuilt TF player (and all the other players) are not. Moboplayer, Vplayer etc are all a bit crap at it. There is one player called LittlePlayer which gives the option of hardware playback but it is no better than the inbuilt player as it does not decode AC3/DTS and it too judders when AAC audio is played.
Anyone got a clue why this is the case? I was wondering if it was a UK specific issue (would not put it past Asus to make it PAL centric) but then why would it play a 23.976FPS 720p x264 in MKV perfectly (sans audio obviously)?
Yeah I have a 720p mkv and it plays a little off with the sound but I play a higher quality move still at 720p and the sound is like a second off. And the 1080p vids I have don't play at all. What app do you use to play your videos?
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you must be doing something wrong with the muxing or the avc stream you ended up with is not extracted properly.
I encode movies with x264 (commandline), encode the audio with neroaacen(lc, cbr, 128kbit) and mux them with mp4box. The file plays perfectly with the built-in player, meridian or rockplayer in hardware decoding mode.
Most mkv TV series I can extract th evideo stream from and use it, but not all. Some use too many reference frames while encoding and the TF can't handle it.
X264 profile high, level 4.1, preset veryfast or medium. No other options except quality level ((crf 20 or 21 I use mostly).
I've tried MKVToolnix for straight muxing. A simple MKV to MP4 prog without reencoding called mkvavi2mp4. Handbrake (Used settings suggested on this forum). I've also tried some test clips from various sites. All of them judder when audio is being decoded. I am not talking about HUGE judder. I am talking about very small judder. The video is not 100% fluid. Some may not even notice it. I do because I am always messing with progs like ReClock and MadVR in order to get perfect 24p playback to an HDTV. I am also susceptible to phosphor lag, any audio sync issues and other annoyances. I am Mr Super Anal when it comes to perfect playback and have color calibrated all my displays with a colorimeter
But I digress.
If I play Big Buck Bunny 1080p in Youtube or in the default browser it plays fluid (well enough not to be annoying). Now if I rip that same Youtube clip down to my hard disk. Copy it to the TF and play it in ANY player (Moboplayer - with or without codecs packs, Rockplayer, Vplayer, Littleplayer or the inbuilt player) it will not play it without stuttering. What the hell is that all about? Flash player is better at video playback on the TF than Honeycombs implementation? Quite.
I wish I could figure out a way to load the MP4 files in Flash through the browser. I tried file://path to MP4 and it did not work.
If anyone knows a way to do that I would be interested. Maybe I should setup a web server on my PC and stream everything in Flash
P.S. If you wish I can provide you with two sample MKV's. One with audio the other without and you can directly compare the two and post your results. I see small juddering on the clip with audio muxed in every time.
The Youtube app is not using Flash. If it was, Youtube wouldn't play on the iPhone or iPad, and it most certainly wouldn't have played on Android devices before Android 2.2. If you want to see true Flash performance so far, load up Hulu and see if you can get a 480p stream to play acceptably. Edit: Since you mention the UK though, I probably shouldn't assume you're in the US. If that's the case, just load up any Flash-based video player besides Youtube. Sometimes it helps to set your user agent to Desktop, too.
The Youtube app is actually using HTML5, with videos encoded in H.264/MPEG-4 AVC and stereo AAC. The maximum bitrates supported are 5 Mbit/s and 152 kbps, respectively. You need to bear in mind too that by playing videos through the browser, the servers will recognize the device you're playing from and compress and optimize the stream accordingly. A full 1080p video at 5 Mbit/s would take forever to buffer on a tablet, so it's highly unlikely that you're getting the full quality over the network stream. Locally-stored videos, however, are free to be downloaded and played in their maximum quality, so it's understandable that you may see some stutter on large files.
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I've tried MKVToolnix for straight muxing. A simple MKV to MP4 prog without reencoding called mkvavi2mp4. Handbrake (Used settings suggested on this forum). I've also tried some test clips from various sites. All of them judder when audio is being decoded. I am not talking about HUGE judder. I am talking about very small judder. The video is not 100% fluid. Some may not even notice it. I do because I am always messing with progs like ReClock and MadVR in order to get perfect 24p playback to an HDTV. I am also susceptible to phosphor lag, any audio sync issues and other annoyances. I am Mr Super Anal when it comes to perfect playback and have color calibrated all my displays with a colorimeter
But I digress.
If I play Big Buck Bunny 1080p in Youtube or in the default browser it plays fluid (well enough not to be annoying). Now if I rip that same Youtube clip down to my hard disk. Copy it to the TF and play it in ANY player (Moboplayer - with or without codecs packs, Rockplayer, Vplayer, Littleplayer or the inbuilt player) it will not play it without stuttering. What the hell is that all about? Flash player is better at video playback on the TF than Honeycombs implementation? Quite.
I wish I could figure out a way to load the MP4 files in Flash through the browser. I tried file://path to MP4 and it did not work.
If anyone knows a way to do that I would be interested. Maybe I should setup a web server on my PC and stream everything in Flash
P.S. If you wish I can provide you with two sample MKV's. One with audio the other without and you can directly compare the two and post your results. I see small juddering on the clip with audio muxed in every time.
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Shoot them over
http://www.mediafire.com/?gp3bumw7qy9mppm
Check the panning of each. One has AAC audio the other not. Use the default inbuilt video player of the TF (Should offer if you click on the files if you have other players installed). The one without audio plays perfectly smooth on my TF. The one with audio has slight juddering.
deadman3000 said:
If I play Big Buck Bunny 1080p in Youtube or in the default browser it plays fluid (well enough not to be annoying).
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Just to clarify: You are talking about viewing youtube via the default _web_ browser, setting your user agent such that you get the desktop site and using the flash plugin to play the video? Rather then using the mobile youtube web site or using the built in youtube app?
FYI of your two clips the one without audio plays smoothly in the _default_ player and the one with audio chokes with "This video cannot be played" (This is assuming you tack ".mp4" onto the file names to fool the default media player into trying to play it)
Interesting... I just re-encoded the audio _only_ ("-vcodec copy -acodec libmp3lame" in ffmpeg) and that plays smoothly.
Now mp3 audio isn't part of the mp4 container spec so you'll only get away with it in an mkv container (its flexibility is one of the things that makes matroska difficult to parse)
Ah... the video is High profile at 3.8Mbps that pretty much on the limit of what the tegra2 can do at the moment (I'd say it over it actually) so I'd say that the addition of a complex (relative to mp3) audio track is just too much.
I bet if you re-encoded that video to baseline at the same bitrate and copied the audio stream it would play fine, its just at the max computation threshold.
sub'd... I want to see what you guys are doing, I'd really like to play at least 720p peacefully.
I've tried reencoding using Handbrake and get similar results. Jerky playback with audio. Smooth without. It's like small juddering every quarter second or so. Ignore the web playback that's already been explained that it's HTML5 and is not sending me the full 1080p stream anyhow.
In fact. If someone can send me a 720p video clip with audio that they say plays 100% smooth on their TF I could see if it's not 100% smooth here. If not (as I suspect it won't be) then it's either my TF has issues. Your eyesight is not picking it up or I am going nuts
deadman3000 said:
I've tried reencoding using Handbrake and get similar results. Jerky playback with audio. Smooth without. It's like small juddering every quarter second or so. Ignore the web playback that's already been explained that it's HTML5 and is not sending me the full 1080p stream anyhow.
In fact. If someone can send me a 720p video clip with audio that they say plays 100% smooth on their TF I could see if it's not 100% smooth here. If not (as I suspect it won't be) then it's either my TF has issues. Your eyesight is not picking it up or I am going nuts
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try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
I am using the same profile settings in handbrake (high profile) and ALL my videos are really smooth! and YES...I did have judder/stutter before. download the sample files and you can test it on your TF.
the ONLY downside is that handbrake takes a while to encode but its worth it!
hope this helps.
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While I agree that, officially, Honeycomb doesn't support the mkv container. It must be able to parse it as it does support WebM and that uses the matroska container.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6553908/with_audio_mp3.mkv
This is the same video stream but with the audio re-encoded to mp3, plays nicely for me in the default video player it I tack ".mp4" on the end to fool the player into trying to play it.
I don't stream but everything e.mote said about hinting is spot on, also you may want to look at interleaving (a feature of the muxing that MP4Box can do) is you want to stream.
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A full 1080p video at 5 Mbit/s would take forever to buffer on a tablet, so it's highly unlikely that you're getting the full quality over the network stream.
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Way too generalized. I have a Playbook and it plays 1080p Youtube in the browser flawlessly.
I played The Cape clip from the example Handbrake settings thread. The clip plays with micro judder like every other clip with sound. I am now using a Prime 1.4 rooted not the stock firmware and it still does it. It is like frame drop every half or quarter second. If you have ever seen NTSC 23.976FPS played back on a PAL 50Hz CRT TV you will know what it looks like. It is very obvious on pans.
Surely I cannot be the ONLY person who can see this??? Are your eyes really that bad?
EDIT: Tried the MP3 version you provided. Still there. You can count the judder. Tick tick tick tick... every quarter second.
EDIT2: I guess the only way to demonstrate this to you guys is by way of a video of it along with some audio prompting from me to point it out to you (excuse the d(t)icks). You will notice that the audio drops out for some reason during playback but when it does the video plays buttery smooth. No idea why the audio drops out. I was playing back the MP3 muxed version from the link above using Moboplayer but this problem - the juddering - occurs with any player I have tried. The juddering happens on every single video I have tested it on when it is decoding audio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXfdQP8BtEA
I will restate however. Yotube playback looks much smoother than playing a file from the inbuilt flash memory or SD cards.
I am having the same problem as you and I see the judder on these clips as well. I posted my issues in the encoding guide thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825&page=9
It has nothing to do with the overall bitrate rate as many of my samples are <2,000 kbps, and just like you, if I remove the AAC audio, video is silky smooth. I assume it's just a software issue that should be able to be resolved, but I guess we'll see...
e.mote said:
BTW, if you recoded the clip, then I suggest using better settings. The settings used are excessive. When facing a device with marginal playback, there is less tolerance for bad encodes. If you're anal about playback, then you should be equally anal about your encode settings.
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Thanks for that. But since your video judders just like every other clip that means diddly squat. I don't see why I should have to reencode every video I have in order for it to playback on the TF either. It should be able to handle 720p at least. It does play it but only plays it smoothly with no audio playback whatsoever.
bartleyg82 said:
I am having the same problem as you and I see the judder on these clips as well. I posted my issues in the encoding guide thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825&page=9
It has nothing to do with the overall bitrate rate as many of my samples are <2,000 kbps, and just like you, if I remove the AAC audio, video is silky smooth. I assume it's just a software issue that should be able to be resolved, but I guess we'll see...
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Phew! Thanks for chimeing in! I am glad it's not just me. Do you live in the UK perchance? If not that would rule out any UK specific reasons.
Nope, I'm in the US. My TF is also running Prime 1.4. I've tried the "stock" kernel and the OC kernel and the problem is the same with both. I didn't think to test video before rooting and installing Prime, so I can't vouch for whether or not it happens on completely stock HC 3.1
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXfdQP8BtEA
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How... what...
Are you serious? I see literally no issue. Either my eyes or your camera, one of the two can't pick up this judder. And I did notice the compression in the better encode offered here (text, grappling hooks, lasers, pretty much anything like that. Not a bad result, but clearly visible)
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