If you like the Qualcomm MSM7200 then you'll love this! - Touch Cruise General

Much as I like my Touch Cruise, I think I'm already lusting after my next device. I was looking through Qualcomm stuff to try and find the difference between the MSM7200 (the one in the Touch Cruise) and the MSM7200A. I didn't find the answer to my question but I did stumble across a press release from November last year about the latest chips in the MSM7xxx family (http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releases/2007/071113_Qualcomm_Introduces_Single_Chip.html).
As someone that is very concerned with battery life this is the bit that caught my eye: "Additionally, the three chipsets feature new power-saving innovations to deliver more than 80 hours of music playback, a full day of talk time, and more than a month of standby time."
Wow, those statistics represent a genuine step-change in battery life assuming they're not being stupid and quoting those numbers on the basis of using a car battery to power it! If HTC select one of these chips for their next device in 12 months or so, or a competitor's design with comparable characteristics, then I don't think that I'll be able to resist an upgrade.
- Julian

MSM7200A and MSM7200?
What is the difference? Is the A version the ATI enabled one? Could this be the difference? Could it be that there are actually two versions.

session said:
Is the A version the ATI enabled one?
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As can bee seen from Brew 2007 PDF presentation both should have ATI Imageon2D/3D chip.

imho the A version will be just a lower voltage binned version of the normal chipset.
Just look at cpus, intel desktop and mobile processors are alle the same, the only difference is, that the mobile versions work with lower voltage.

Hornet331 said:
imho the A version will be just a lower voltage binned version of the normal chipset.
Just look at cpus, intel desktop and mobile processors are alle the same, the only difference is, that the mobile versions work with lower voltage.
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I suspect, based on the Google hits I did find, that there's more to it than that. There were some hits from Linux hacker forums where people were trying to port stuff to the MSM7200 and they only had code for the 7200A which apparently wasn't compatible (which seems to imply that it's not a 100% identical architecture). Also, interestingly, I found a hit from someone trying to put Android onto an MSM7200 and again the same issue, the Google code was only for a 7200A.
- Julian

I think the 7200A is a direct result of the Broadcomm/Qualcomm lawsuit.
7200 = Qualcomm infringing on Broadcomm patents
7200A = Qualcomm's attempt to longer infringe on Broadcomm patents.
I could be wrong, but I know that the MSM7200 is being redesigned asap after the patent rulings came out in favor of Broadcomm.

njmarchetti said:
I think the 7200A is a direct result of the Broadcomm/Qualcomm lawsuit.
7200 = Qualcomm infringing on Broadcomm patents
7200A = Qualcomm's attempt to longer infringe on Broadcomm patents.
I could be wrong, but I know that the MSM7200 is being redesigned asap after the patent rulings came out in favor of Broadcomm.
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That sounds like the most logical explanation. They don't want to lose the 7200 name (or version or whatever) and all the eventually, the community just makes of it what it wants - let's try to think normal, why would they use almost the same name with revolutionary power changes? Both are identical in functionality, but different in implementation or whatever - making sure not to cross the line again

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That sounds like the most logical explanation. They don't want to lose the 7200 name (or version or whatever) and all the eventually, the community just makes of it what it wants - let's try to think normal, why would they use almost the same name with revolutionary power changes? Both are identical in functionality, but different in implementation or whatever - making sure not to cross the line again
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Just to be clear, my first post and the link therein (the one talking about the huge increases in battery life) has absolutely nothing to do with the MSM7200/MSM7200A although it does relate to the MSM7xxx family as a whole. The link I posted is to the successor, or even the successor to the successor, to the MSM7200/MSM7200A.
There are two issues in this thread, both interesting in my view, but they are not related: (i) What the very latest chips fairly recently announced in the MSM7xxx family will be capable of, and (ii) what the heck is the difference between the now rather old (in the fast moving world of mobile techology) MSM7200 and MSM7200A chips.
Re the second issue and the theory that the 7200A is the non-infringing version, I agree that appears plausible but I'm still not convinced. I just found this fairly random link (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PIL/is_2007_Feb_20/ai_n18619481) of some random news site picking up a Qualcomm press release from Feb 2007. This press release is for the MSM7225 but what is interesting is that even a year ago it explicitly mentions the MSM7200A. Surely if the A version was a re-design because of the Broadcom issue then they wouldn't have been name-checking it in press releases a year ago?
- Julian

Maybe they hoped the MSM7200 would not be sued ? And they made a backup MSM7200A? I doubt it but hey, we might never find out, or the truth will come out one of these days

MSM7200 versus MSM7200a
The MSM7200a is the 65nm version of the MSM7200 (90nm). The big difference is a speed boost for the ARM11 processor from 400MHz to 528MHz. I assume that there should be some benefits to battery life as well...not sure about any other changes.
Slacker

Also the msm7200a should allow video output up to 800x480.
dara

Qualcomm's own press release of the MSM7500
The ATi Imageon is built into the Main CPU along with the ARM11. Not too clear about the difference between the msm7200 and the msm7500 though.
The theories I've heard are:
MSM7200 has 2 ARM9 cores and ATi's Imageon while the MSM7500 has an ARM11, ARM9, and ATi Imageon
and
MSM7200 is the GSM/HSDPA version of the MSM7500

http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007FEB/DTCOL_2007FEB15_AVDE_RFR_AN_01.pdf?SOURCES=DOWNLOAD
Integrated 400 MHz ARM11™ applications
processor and 274 MHz ARM9™ microprocessor
deliver accelerated applications processing and
simultaneous modem processing; the dual-core
implementation provides hardware-based
security domains
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My question about Qualcomm CPU:
Is in Polaris supported CPU scaling or is constant 400MHz?
Is there any software that show CPU speed on device with Qualcomm processor? I only find battery consumption with idle cpu status but this is not 100% answer about scaling.

Have a look at this video as found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1974776&postcount=1430
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http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/28/android-gets-handled-now-with-street-view/
About halfway through the video the person shows a demo of Quake.. listen to the chipset he mentions the phone has.. Than shake your fist at whoever won't let us have the driver...
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I hate to quote my self but, i'll make an exception...
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I know Android isn't very popular around here... but i found something interesting
http://www.helloandroid.com/node/22
Original Post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1961765&postcount=250
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Android is BASED on the Qualcomm chipsets...
lazik said:
My question about Qualcomm CPU:
Is in Polaris supported CPU scaling or is constant 400MHz?
Is there any software that show CPU speed on device with Qualcomm processor? I only find battery consumption with idle cpu status but this is not 100% answer about scaling.
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There is no app that can scale the dualcore CPU of the MSM 7x000 based devices, yet.
And i don't know if there is any intelligent scaleing function in it...

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The OMNI's coming soon!

just hav a look at the latest HTC upcoming!
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=790
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/umpc/htc-omni-revealed-umpc+like-but-runs-windows-mobile-6-275023.php
If this CPU is better than current one on Qtek9000?
actually it looks like it's gonna be 400mhz, against 520Mhz of the uni.. apart from this, it's the ideal heir to it. looks very fascinating, specially the external display which is showing all the important informations without having to open the lid
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actually it looks like it's gonna be 400mhz, against 520Mhz of the uni.. apart from this, it's the ideal heir to it. looks very fascinating, specially the external display which is showing all the important informations without having to open the lid
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Clock speed is not a great indicator of Actual Processing Power
Consider:
A similarly clocked Intel Celeron vs Pentium vs Core Duo
It appears a lot of manufacturers are switching to the Qualcomm's which, from my research, have similar power to our XScales, but the graphics chips they are packaged with are more powerful.
(Also, I believe it is the same chipset as the HTC Kaiser)
i wonder if it will be possible to install the omni's rom on an universal...
kalimah said:
i wonder if it will be possible to install the omni's rom on an universal...
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I wonder if the Omni's ROM has even been developed....
Seriously though two problems:
The Omni is still a 'tentative' device (ie no actual model number given) so it is unlikely that any work would have been done with it
The Omni has _COMPLETELY_ different hardware - a different processor, graphics chip, wireless chip, phone chip, etc
The Omni ROM is likely to be based on the one for the HTC Kaiser - since their hardware is almost identical
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Clock speed is not a great indicator of Actual Processing Power
Consider:
A similarly clocked Intel Celeron vs Pentium vs Core Duo
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Disagree .. because samsung with its processor proved that miracles in terms of productivity in the arm are impossible ... in any case, omni step backward in productivity
mo3ulla said:
Disagree .. because samsung with its processor proved that miracles in terms of productivity in the arm are impossible ... in any case, omni step backward in productivity
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Thats where you are false
ARM stands for Advanced Risc Machine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture)
If you look in the "Advanced Details" for the Omni provided in PDA DB (http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=790&view=1) You will notice that it has a ARM processor
So, the Intel XScale is an ARM
And the Qualcomm MSM 7200 is an ARM
The reason they are using the Qualcomm is that the chipset it comes with supports HSDPA\HSUPA, GPS, Wireless G, etc - which the XScale does not
For more info, PDA DB has some basic details:
Qualcomm: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200
XScale: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a272
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Nice, but 81 mm is too wide.
Why dont they stick with 60+ mm???
130 mm height is no problem, but 81 mm width is to big for pocketable device.
16 mm depth is wonderful.

Which Processor is faster & better

"Intel Bulverde 520 MHz"
The one in the Universal
OR
"Qualcomm MSM7201A 528 Mhz"
in the new HTC HD unit
I feel they are the same. Am I right?
qualcomm is much better
Its similar the difference between a 2.5ghz Pentium 4 and a 2.5ghz Core2Solo
i don't think that core2solo and pentium4 with ht much differ
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i don't think that core2solo and pentium4 with ht much differ
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Google up "Instructions per second" and you'll understand.
The Netburst architec of P4 is one of the worst example in history of it. A failure by engineering standard.
The PXA270 Processor in the Universal actually runs at 624mhz and is underclocked. The HTC X7500 uses the same CPU running at 624mhz. It is clearly the better CPU.
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The PXA270 Processor in the Universal actually runs at 624mhz and is underclocked. The HTC X7500 uses the same CPU running at 624mhz. It is clearly the better CPU.
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Very, very wrong.
I wouldn't say that the Intel two processors are exactly the same, with one just being underclocked via software. Notice how intel puts out multiple pentiums of a given generation at different speeds? Would you venture to say that all those chips are the same too?
Also, clock speed is a poor metric when comparing chips from different companies. PDADB.Net says that the Intel chip has a ARMv5TE instruction set and the Qualcom chip has a ARMv6 instruction set. The Intel is a generation behind.
Comparing
Wikipedia says
Main article: Megahertz myth
The clock rate of a computer is only useful for providing comparisons between computer chips in the same processor family. An IBM PC with an Intel 486 CPU running at 50 MHz will be about twice as fast as one with the same CPU, memory and display running at 25 MHz, while the same will not be true for MIPS R4000 running at the same clock rate as the two are different processors with different functionality. Furthermore, there are many other factors to consider when comparing the speeds of entire computers, like the clock rate of the computer's front side bus (FSB), the clock rate of the RAM, the width in bits of the CPU's bus and the amount of Level 1, Level 2 and Level 3 cache.
Clock rates should not be used when comparing different computers or different processor families. Rather, some software benchmark should be used. Clock rates can be very misleading since the amount of work different computer chips can do in one cycle varies. For example, RISC CPUs tend to have simpler instructions than CISC CPUs (but higher clock rates), and superscalar processors can execute more than one instruction per cycle (on average), yet it is not uncommon for them to do "less" in a clock cycle. In addition, subscalar CPUs or use of parallelism can also affect the quality of the computer regardless of clock rate.
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Sonus you are correct about the Mhz comparison. However, the PXA270 in the Universal can be safely "overclocked" to 624Mhz because the chip is designed to max out at that speed.
I would still like to see some benchmark tests between the 624Mhz PXA270, and the 528Mhz Qualcomm MSM7201A.
Generations aside, I can't see the Qualcomm chip outperforming the Intel Chip by much, if any. Also, it should be noted that the PXA270 can be scaled, not sure if that is true for the MSM7201A.
The other catch phrase is "Performance per watt". I bet the MSM7201A has a huge advantage over PXA27x in that, mainly due to newer manufacturing process.
That may be true wuzy, but considering the PXA270 is almost 5 years old and still being used in new devices should tell you plenty about its capabilities and performance.
Not really... It does, however tell a lot about the stinginess of device manufacturers.
As for the overclocking, not every Universal can run 624 MHz without crashing because the CPUs are going through a selection process after manufacturing and there is simply no reason to use the best ones for a device that doesn't need them running at full speed.
The crashes are usually the result of the type of program used to overclock and also the rom. For the most part, people have found that 624mhz is pretty stable, inlcuding myself. Some have even pushed it beyond that speed, but that's another story...
Also take this into consideration:
The Universal has been on the market since 2005, almost 4 years now. By industry standards, it should be obsolete. Why is it not then? Simply, it is quite inexpensive compared to the newer devices having similar features, sometimes less. When it comes to performance vs. price vs. features, you just cannot beat the value of the Universal and its blistering fast 520/624mhz PXA270 CPU! The PXA270's performance is only rivaled by its bigger brother, the 800Mhz PXA320 which has made its way into some newer devices already.
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That may be true wuzy, but considering the PXA270 is almost 5 years old and still being used in new devices should tell you plenty about its capabilities and performance.
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Try out a Diamond/Touch Pro with Opera9.5 the next time you see one and notice the speed difference.
On MSM7201A compared to our PXA27x it's a lot more smoother.
The lack of driver for MSM7200 on a lot of devices released last year tainted our perception on the new generation chips I think.
Touch HD vs. ASUS Galaxy7 at end of the year... hmmm
I think you're missing the point wuzy.
I know there are newer devices out now that can deliver slightly better performance in some areas than the Universal, but considering how old our device is, it is to be expected. All I'm saying is that given the age of the Universal compared to what's out there now, The Universal has held up well. Furthermore, with all the new cooked roms popping up, you can expect the Uni to live even longer!
Take a look at H.264 decompression and real high performance tasks and the PXA270 looses so badly against the PXA320 that it is not even funny anymore...
Why does the Uni keep up with most software? Because most programs are written for the old ARMv4 instruction set, thus wasting a lot of CPU cycles on newer processors that have already moved on. Apart from that the average application simply does not need that much CPU power to begin with.
The Uni held out well in a market that is very slow to adapt new technologies to begin with. The Axim x50v had a dedicated graphics chip at the end of 2004 - how many applications make use of that today? Only some games (ports, emulators) and media players. For those alone the Axim has held out better than the Uni though as it is still one of the best performing PPCs on the market.
Our little one will be around for quite a while, but it is far, far away from what nowadays devices can offer and it shows if you run anything beyond mail and office apps on it.
Which Processor is faster & better
I feel from your input above that "Qualcomm MSM7201A 528 Mhz" has higher performance, clock rete, Instructions per second, & Performance per watt when compared to the "Intel Bulverde 520 MHz" about 2:1 am I right ?
Another Question:
What is the highest speed Processor available for the PDA industry today?
Best Regards.
IMHO the ARM Cortex processors are very far up the ladder when it comes to performance and energy consumption. The Pandora makers claim 10 hours of runtime for their device. Together with its media chip this little bugger is capable of decoding 720p HD video streams (take a look at the Archos 5)
I am not sure if the MSM7201A chipset's CPU alone reaches twice the performance of the Uni, but you will see a huge difference in apps that support and need the latest in CPU architecture (media players & games). If (one way or the other) the 3D capabilities can be put to use you will probably see more than a 2:1 performance boost.
The sad truth is the Universal is one of the slowest VGA devices around. Especially considering lack of the graphical accelerator (which was even present in prototypes).
Too bad the dedicated 3D chip didn't make it into the final design. But it's still better than having a 3D accelerator without drivers! I have a Sharp EM-ONE here with a GoForce 5500 that could theoretically accelerate many video formats. The sad truth is that because there are no drivers no media player can make use of the chip. Even worse: Because the graphics chip still controls the display video is even slower because the optimized X-Scale drivers can't be used. It's like Sharp and NVidia wanted to punish users double So, as bad as it is, the Uni is not the worst device out there!
x86
I wonder why there´re no x86 cpu´s placed in mobile devices yet. maybe because of the high power consumption? x86 cpu´s running at 528mhz would be more powerful than arm cpu´s. furthermore the device could run x86 os like xp embedded with more features and capabilities...
x86 CPU enabled systems are still too much power hungry and too much complicated to be used in such a small device (sounds weird when talking abut HTC Universal, doesn't it).

[Q] K3 vs PXA310 vs MT6516?

Hello forum!
I've found quite a few phones which use the Huawei Hisilicon K3 but I've also found others using a MediaTek MT6516 CPU or a Marvell PXA310 CPU. There were phones running Qualcomm CPUs (like the MSM7200, MSM7225 and the MSM7600) but I think they're crap.
The K3 runs at 460MHz, the MT6516 runs at 416MHz+280MHz (as it's dual-core) and the PXA310 runs at 624MHz. Just for reference the Qualcomm CPUs all run at 528MHz.
Which would be best? (and for me that means speed. )
I'm bumpimg this so it doesn't get lost.
YES Qualcomm low end cpus are crap....all thses MSM7200 7225 7600,actually...MSM7200 OR MSM7XXX are not such bad as you think...PXA310 has quite different structure to MSM7xxx(65NM,45NM not included)
PXA310is better if you just take care of CPU SPEED,and PXA310 integrated video accelerator,more power in media use
MSM7XXX also has its merit,ARM11 and ARM9 CPUs...better than PXA310 in general use and APPS
MTK solution seems to be similar to MSM7XXX....but Qualcomm cpus get better ...
and K3...i haven't use any device with K3 before....so i have no ideal about it..
So it's something like this:
(Qualcomm) MSM7xxx - Best for apps (multi-tasking?)
(MediaTek) MT6516 - Good for apps (considering its price)
(Marvell) PXA310 - Best for media (better decoders?)
(Huawei) K3 - Unknown (for the moment)
Thanks for helping me. It also helps you originate from China since some of these processors and chipsets are more in-market in China.
I won't consider the MT6516 then because it's a 2G chipset and while it's okay it may not be 'the one'.
So out of the K3 (ARM926-based) and the PXA310 (XScale-based) which would be best? (Qualcomm could be considered, I guess.)
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I won't consider the MT6516 then because it's a 2G chipset and while it's okay it may not be 'the one'.
So out of the K3 (ARM926-based) and the PXA310 (XScale-based) which would be best? (Qualcomm could be considered, I guess.)
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you meam just have a choice in MSM7XXX series?
Or you just want better ones?Obviously,45NM products would be more appealing....
for only 65NM and something like that,i would say OMAP cpus(get the least power consumption and Qualcomm get mostly best general performance(ok,if you dont think too much about its GPU and power use)
Some people says Qualcomm 65NM CPUS are damn Low-level performance with a high frequency craps....yes,they R...but as their high frequency they have commendable general use capability....if you are not a cell video fan,just get a Qualcomm cpu for almost all use(in multi-tasking? of course!)
ATM I'm looking into budget(?) smartphones with good specs. China's home to those sort of items I'm looking for so I'd thought I'd look.
Qualcomm's CPUs are okay but from various videos I'm not convinced it's for me. It's mainly due to driver issues so it could be faster in one phone compared to another. It's one reason I'm keeping my choices open.
Regarding the PXA310 I have no idea how well it performs so that's the reason I'm asking.

[Q] Most badass GPU and CPU in da world; Expert Knowedge please :)

I've been doing quite a bit of research on GPU's and CPU's in phone's/tablets lately. And I have a few unanswered questions that I can't seem to find an answer for.
1: What's the best chipset available for mobile phones and tablets right now? This link cleared quite a bit up for me, it does a fairly indepth comparison for both GPU and CPU performance between the Qualcomm S4, Tegra 3, OMAP 4470, and the Exynos 4212. And I dont want the 'Well this is better because it has more jiggahertz". Shut up, that's not what I need. I need something more indepth. If studies on individual GPU comparison can be provided, please drop a link. I'd like to know these things very well.
2: What individual GPU is currently the best? I realize the Ipad3 came out with with a graphics chip that's supposedly superior to the Xbox/PS3's. However I take anything Apple says with a grain of salt, they're notorious for shooting flaming BS out of their rear. However based on the little bit of searching I've done, the Adreno GPU's seem to be ahead of their time. I previously thought the Mali 400 GPU in the Exynos chipset was one of the best, but apparently it's outdated. Again, links to tests/studies/comparisons would be appreciated.
3: What's the deal with the ARM chips? Are the A5's, A6's, A11's, (and whatever other A chips out there are), some standard CPU developed by ARM and licensed out to all manufacturers to use in their chipsets?
4: What alternatives are there to the ARM CPU's? Most chipsets I research seem to be using a Cortex A9 chip.
5: What's the difference between the A5, A6, A9, etc. From what I've seen the higher numbers are the newer models, but I feel like that's a very shallow definition. If that is true, why does the newest iPad only use an A5x chip for it's quad core rather than an A9 or something of the sort.
6: Is the chipset in the iPad really the fastest out there? Personally, I can't really stand apple products; let alone the rabid fanboys and the obnoxious advertisements they put out. I can recognize that they very often gloat about their products and overexaggerate; like how they said the dual core in the iPhone 4s is the fastest out there, yet from what I've read the A5 is the worst performing dual core out there. Is the GPU in the tablet really superior to the Xbox? And is the processor really able to outdo the Tegra 3?
If you're able to answer any one of these, even exclusively, that would be appreciated. I just like knowledge
MultiLockOn said:
I've been doing quite a bit of research on GPU's and CPU's in phone's/tablets lately. And I have a few unanswered questions that I can't seem to find an answer for.
1: What's the best chipset available for mobile phones and tablets right now? This link cleared quite a bit up for me, it does a fairly indepth comparison for both GPU and CPU performance between the Qualcomm S4, Tegra 3, OMAP 4470, and the Exynos 4212. And I dont want the 'Well this is better because it has more jiggahertz". Shut up, that's not what I need. I need something more indepth. If studies on individual GPU comparison can be provided, please drop a link. I'd like to know these things very well.
2: What individual GPU is currently the best? I realize the Ipad3 came out with with a graphics chip that's supposedly superior to the Xbox/PS3's. However I take anything Apple says with a grain of salt, they're notorious for shooting flaming BS out of their rear. However based on the little bit of searching I've done, the Adreno GPU's seem to be ahead of their time. I previously thought the Mali 400 GPU in the Exynos chipset was one of the best, but apparently it's outdated. Again, links to tests/studies/comparisons would be appreciated.
3: What's the deal with the ARM chips? Are the A5's, A6's, A11's, (and whatever other A chips out there are), some standard CPU developed by ARM and licensed out to all manufacturers to use in their chipsets?
4: What alternatives are there to the ARM CPU's? Most chipsets I research seem to be using a Cortex A9 chip.
5: What's the difference between the A5, A6, A9, etc. From what I've seen the higher numbers are the newer models, but I feel like that's a very shallow definition. If that is true, why does the newest iPad only use an A5x chip for it's quad core rather than an A9 or something of the sort.
6: Is the chipset in the iPad really the fastest out there? Personally, I can't really stand apple products; let alone the rabid fanboys and the obnoxious advertisements they put out. I can recognize that they very often gloat about their products and overexaggerate; like how they said the dual core in the iPhone 4s is the fastest out there, yet from what I've read the A5 is the worst performing dual core out there. Is the GPU in the tablet really superior to the Xbox? And is the processor really able to outdo the Tegra 3?
If you're able to answer any one of these, even exclusively, that would be appreciated. I just like knowledge
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1. Dunno right now, it's always changing. I hear the new Qualcomm processors with the new Andreno gpu are supposed to be the ****, but it's not out yet so who knows. The iPad 3 currently has not had any real world tests done yet, we need to wait for release. It is basically the same A5 chip as the iPad 2 but with the PSVita's gpu thrown in.
2. *sigh* The iPad 3 is not more powerful than an Xbox 360. It is better in I believe one aspect (more memory), but this has very little impact on performance/graphics quality. This is Apple shooting wads of **** out it's arse, or whoever made the claim. It's actually using the same GPU found in the PSVita, which we all know is not as powerful as a PS3/Xbox360. However, the PSVita is also using a quad core cpu, whereas the iPad 3 is using the same dual core A5 as the iPad 2, so technically the PSVita is superior. You also have to consider how many more pixels the gpu has to power on the iPad 3's display. While high res is nice, it takes more power to render it.
3. ARM creates a base chip for companies to slap their own GPU's and name on. The naming structure is pretty self explanatory.
4. All CPU's currently in tablets/cellphones are a variant of the ARM. A Cortex A9 is still an ARM chip. This will soon change when Intel releases their tablet/phone chips.
5. You're right, higher numbers do mean newer modeling. I don't know all the exacts, but with the newer ARM series you get higher and/or more efficient clocks, generally some battery savings, and in some series support for more cores. Apple's labeling of their chips has nothing to do with ARM's, it's their own naming scheme. The A5x is just what Apple calls their version of the ARM processor.
6. I believe atm the iPad 3 has the fastest chipset in a tablet..for now. It won't take long for it to be overtaken by other companies, there's so much in the works right now.
speedyink said:
1. Dunno right now, it's always changing. I hear the new Qualcomm processors with the new Andreno gpu are supposed to be the ****, but it's not out yet so who knows. The iPad 3 currently has not had any real world tests done yet, we need to wait for release. It is basically the same A5 chip as the iPad 2 but with the PSVita's gpu thrown in.
2. *sigh* The iPad 3 gpu is not more powerful than an Xbox 360. It is better in I believe one aspect (more memory), but this has very little impact on performance/graphics quality. This is Apple shooting wads of **** out it's arse, or whoever made the claim. It's actually using the same GPU found in the PSVita, which we all know is not as powerful as a PS3/Xbox360. However, the PSVita is also using a quad core cpu, whereas the iPad 3 is using the same dual core A5 as the iPad 2, so technically the PSVita is superior.
3. ARM creates a base chip for companies to slap their own GPU's and name on. The naming structure is pretty self explanatory.
4. All CPU's currently in tablets/cellphones are a variant of the ARM. A Cortex A9 is still an ARM chip. This will soon change when Intel releases their tablet/phone chips.
5. You're right, higher numbers do mean newer modeling. I don't know all the exacts, but with the newer ARM series you get higher and/or more efficient clocks, generally some battery savings, and in some series support for more cores. Apple's labeling of their chips has nothing to do with ARM's, it's their own naming scheme. The A5x is just what Apple calls their version of the ARM processor.
6. I believe atm the iPad 3 has the fastest chipset in a tablet..for now. It won't take long for it to be overtaken by other companies, there's so much in the works right now.
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Thanks for the reply. It seems weird to me that Apple would rename a CPU to something as similar to one that would already exist, A5x as to A5.
MultiLockOn said:
Thanks for the reply. It seems weird to me that Apple would rename a CPU to something as similar to one that would already exist, A5x as to A5.
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Because Apple is the type of company to step on someones feet like that, and then sue them later on for copyright infringement. Damn the confusion, Apple starts with A, so will their processors.
speedyink said:
Because Apple is the type of company to step on someones feet like that, and then sue them later on for copyright infringement. Damn the confusion, Apple starts with A, so will their processors.
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yeah, apple just simply buy a technology and re-label them, make patent and troll others. so for comparison, apple doesn't count. Also these handheld chipset can't be compared with consoles, consoles have more proccessing power like more RAM bandwidth and polygons.
Anyway.. based on my experience, mali400 exynos has a butterly smooth performance for both UI and 3D graphics. I've tried both Gingerbread GNote and my SGS2.
on the other hand, Google did a great job with TI OMAP for it's Galaxy Nexus, pure HW accelerated 4.0.3.. with very little glitch, but I believe it's software issue.
IMO if you wanna buy a fast and smooth device, follow the current Nexus spec (at least similar) like GNexus, Motorola RAZR, etc. I've seen Tegra 3 4+1 Transformer Prime but never hands-on it. as far as i seen, UI and 3D performance are stunning. 1 extra core advantage is for low power mode when doing light proccessing and standby mode. Today hardwares are fast enough, drivers and OS optimisation are very important thing if you want everything run smoothly.
cmiiw, sorry for bad english
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yeah, apple just simply buy a technology and re-label them, make patent and troll others. so for comparison, apple doesn't count. Also these handheld chipset can't be compared with consoles, consoles have more proccessing power like more RAM bandwidth and polygons.
Anyway.. based on my experience, mali400 exynos has a butterly smooth performance for both UI and 3D graphics. I've tried both Gingerbread GNote and my SGS2.
on the other hand, Google did a great job with TI OMAP for it's Galaxy Nexus, pure HW accelerated 4.0.3.. with very little glitch, but I believe it's software issue.
IMO if you wanna buy a fast and smooth device, follow the current Nexus spec (at least similar) like GNexus, Motorola RAZR, etc. I've seen Tegra 3 4+1 Transformer Prime but never hands-on it. as far as i seen, UI and 3D performance are stunning. 1 extra core advantage is for low power mode when doing light proccessing and standby mode. Today hardwares are fast enough, drivers and OS optimisation are very important thing if you want everything run smoothly.
cmiiw, sorry for bad english
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I kmow what you mean. Im extremely happy with my galaxy s2, I cant say I ever recall it lagging on me in any way whatsoever. Im not sure what makes the droid razr and galaxy nexus comparable to the s2. From what Ive read Omap processors tend to lag and consume battery, and the mali 400 is better than what either of those phones have. Id say its ICS but the razr still
Runs gingerbread
I was hoping for some more attention in here :/
I agree, omaps are battery hungry beast. Like my previous Optimus Black, man... i only got 12-14 hours with edge (1ghz UV smartass v2, also ****ty LG kernel haha). Same issue as my friend's Galaxy SL. I dunno if newer soc has a better behaviour.
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[Q] Is Texas Instruments getting behind?

After Galaxy Nexus and Razr I don´t see any company announcing that they are going to use their chips.
Thats true that OMAP 4430/4460 (1.0 / 1.5Ghz respectively) with SGX540 are behind, especially behind Qualcomm S4 and quad-core Exynos. They were also supposed to release OMAP 4470 (1.8GHz) with SGX544 but I haven't seen it used in any device.
I'm not sure here, but I think that OMAP's don't feature wireless radio technologies, so phone manufacturesrs have to add additional chips what raises the cost.
TI annonced OMAP 5 long time ago, but I don't know what is the progress. OMAP 5 is suppsoed to have dualcore A15 ("Up to 2GHz") + dualcore M4 and SGX544-MPx.
Well TI is going to release the OMAP 5 soon. One of the pros of this processor is that it is easily customizable, and thats why it's used in the Galaxy Nexus. So who knows? OMAP 5 may appear in the next series of Nexus phones.
Yeah idk, this year has been dominated by qualcomm (i hope thats right) and exynos (in the GS3 international) but that is true, Ti seems unusually absent this year.
They are making the Omap 5. 28nm tech has loads of problems,especially high spoilt counts at the factory. Qualcomm are actually switching factories cause of this. TI have stable chips at relatively lower cost. When it's ready you'll see it everywhere.
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Texas Instruments withdraws from smartphones
Texas Instruments is dropping from the system-on-chip for smartphones and tablets manufacturing and will give up on its OMAP lineup.
The company’s OMAP boards are less and less popular among mobile manufacturers – most of them bet on Qualcomm, while Samsung and Apple are developing their own solutions (Exynos, A6). The major disadvantage of the OMAP chipset is the lack of on-board 3G/4G modem.
That forces manufacturers who rely on OMAP chipsets to use additional radio chips, which increases battery consumption and production costs. Now you understand why smartphone manufacturers prefer Qualcomm’s complete solutions, rather than this expensive process.
TI says its focus will shift on “to a broader market including industrial clients like carmakers”, though it did not announce specifics and the investors were left wondering.
Anyway, TI will continue to support its current clients, but will significantly reduce efforts on developing new OMAP chipsets.
The news might come shocking for some, as the TI OMAP 5 was expected to be the first chipset with dual Cortex-A15 CPU, and now it's fate is uncertain. Nonetheless, TI OMAP's presence was barely felt on the market, so the company's exit won't create too much of a disturbance.
http://www.gsmarena.com/texas_instruments_backtracks_from_smartphones_goodbye_omap-news-4861.php
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/25/texasinstruments-wireless-idUSL1E8KP5FN20120925?irpc=932
They had great power management on their chips. Too bad.
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