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HTC Trinity DOES have a GPS-unit. HOORAY!

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/02/htc-trinitys-gps-receiver-lies-dormant/
I feel so happy I could dance.
Oh and I'm guessing someone from this community will write a reg-hack to enable it before HTC do!
In fact, this reminds me of the time the HTC Wizard was shipped with 802.11g disabled.

This isnt directly confirmed, as theres a link in the TyTN upgrading forum pointing to another source saying the claims are bogus.
two things to consider
1. Why would HTC release two GPS devices to compete with each others?
2. What sort of message would HTC be sending, given its only just taken its first steps directly into the market, to release an unfinished product?
If it is true then the P3600 is going to be one hot seller, especially that black possible finger print magnet version, but im skeptical at this stage.

All I remember is back when it was revealed the next few HTC phones were to be Artemis, Trinity etc, it was mentioned the Trinity would have a GPS unit.
I don't see them competing since one's a higher-spec model but obviously more expensive. I guess they have to create a cellphone for everyone's budget.
Still, I'm hopeful and I wouldn't be surprised if the disabled-GPS claim is true because they did release phones with G-mode Wifi disabled even though they were supposed to have them out-of-the-box.

i have no real need for gps but i know for a fact the day i do get one is the day where the following day gallieo will take off and stuff it to me how much better it is then gps

You gotta love those people holding back technology with comments like that; "I don't need a faster computer", "I don't need a phone with more features". Awesome. I just hope no-one from HTC reads his comments!

See I would be inclined to agree with you if the models were in a different price league, but look on: www.expansys.com / .co.uk. Both models only have a 50 pound price difference. So they are not really in different leagues, I cant see too many people not paying the extra $50 to get a nicer unit with 3G/HSDPA and whilst its debatable alot would weigh up an OMAP 200mhz versus the Intel one and side with the faster intel one, so HTC would really be shooting themselves in the foot in those regards.
But hey over the coming weeks I guess we will find out

I wouldn't rely on expansys.com's pricing, they've listed TyTN for even more than the Trinity.
I think that Artemis being slimmer may also be a factor (at least it looks that way in the photos).
You're right, I guess we will find out in the months to come.

Hi to everyone, I bought one HTC P3600 last monday, so, how can i verify if it has GPS and Wifi b/g activated???
if you need more info, please ask
JG

at the moment you can't

Fed up with HTC and I-mate ultimates delayed, need a replacement!

Hi Guys
I have a HTC TyTN which I am using beyond its capabilities. I have upgraded it to WM6 and use a lot of the extra functionality that it contains however, I find it too slow and the screen is to low res. I am also seriously ****ed off with HTC build quality and it now has a fourth hardware issue that I cannot be bothered to return it for. - NO It has not been dropped, in fact its been treated better than an eggshell!
I was originaly looking at replacing it with an I-Mate Ultimate 5150 but I have now heard that they are not being released until November. I can't wait this long. I need a phone that can do all of the following but is NOT made by HTC
runs WM6
has HSDPA/3G
has Bluetooth/Not bothered about WiFi
is faster than this rubbish Samsung 2442A processor at 400mhz
ideally has more than 128meg ram - optional
has an optional extended battery
supports push Exchange email
Last but by no means least, MUST have a 640*480 screen
has a slide out/slide down keyboard
must NOT be made by HTC - no matter how well re-badged it is!
The monstrosity that is the JasJar is simply too big and doesn't support HSDPA anyway. Budget is not too much of a problem but I don't want to go bigger in size than the Ultimate 5150. I will be buying off-contract.
Apart from the I-Mate Ultimates, I can't find any phones to meet this criteria, anyone else know of any? I'm desperate!
Thanks loads in advance for saving my life! :thumbsup:

wow you're not asking for much...and limiting yourself to the small (albeit increasing) percentage of the market that is non-HTC isnt helping you. But then again HTC is a product cycle behind everyone else with VGA so no foul...
In any case your pretty well limited to:
Toshiba G900. Everything you want bar the Processor. Has a possibly low Samsung Processor onboard.
beyond that any other devices coming close to that criteria are comprimises
ie GLofish X800, Gigabyte T300 (Like the G900 due for Release soon). VGA screens aren't that all come on at the moment, but are gradually improving, this is certainly the year for them.

Hi
Thanks for that! Looking like the device for me
And yes, im a firm believer of never buying another product from a manufacturer when something I have bought from them has failed repeatedly. From what I understand, i'm not the only one that has a HTC device thats failed over and over again - google tells me this!
Anyway, i've alreadly found this for sale for 379 and that was with my first google!
Thanks again!!

Hi,
I am pretty much on the same boat, although I am reasonably happy with my TyTN... I just want more!
I have been looking at:
- Toshiba G900 - 800x480 screen, only slightly larger than the TyTN
- E-TEN Glofish X500+ - only just saw this in a magazine yesterday, it is supposed to be a 640x480 version of the X500, and it will be sold by Expansys... although its not on their website yet!

Monty: I know how you feel about HTC, which is why I went from BA -> Flame.
My requirements were slightly different. In descreasing order of importance:
At least 3.5" screen. 2.8 - 3.2" screens are too small, both for my eyes and my hands (with stylus).
VGA.
Lightweight and fits in pocket. (Rules out Universal and Athena.)
Portrait-normal form factor. I gotta be able to hold it in one hand and tap the stylus in the other, comfortably.
2.5G. 3G is still new here, and I can live with 2.5G speeds because of what I use it for (ssh).
Bluetooth. No need for GPS or KB if you have BT.
Prefer no keyboard or a hidden slide-out keyboard -- I'll use a soft, USB or BT keyboard instead of a keyboard with keys too tiny for my fingers, which ends up simply increasing the thickness of the device most of the time.
No HTC device satisfies these requirements. Only the XDA Flame does.
The HTC Panda is a throwback since it doesn't have VGA. Otherwise it might be an acceptable alternative when it comes out.
The iMate Ultimate 7150 would be my second choice when it comes out, despite its keyboard (looks hidable and does not increase thickness of device too much).
Until something better comes out, I'll stick with the Flame.

Monty Burns said:
I was originaly looking at replacing it with an I-Mate Ultimate 5150 but I have now heard that they are not being released until November. I can't wait this long. I need a phone that can do all of the following but is NOT made by HTC
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heard? who did u hear it from??
"The highly acclaimed Ultimate range from i-mate will be on offer to customers throughout the region from Sept 2007"
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6461.html

Toshiba G900 has 128M RAM, 128M ROM and a Marvell PXA270 520 Mhz cpu.
It has been released in the UK. The manual is available online - at the Toshiba.co.uk mobile communications site.
Not only is this faster than the SAMSUNG on the TyTN, but is also current Xscale / ARM - the Samsung was two generations out of date ... and generally regarded as end of line long before the TyTN came out.

Imate???? Their customer support SUCKS!!! I've had JasJam for 7months now and have had enough. No phone support. Representatives have NO IDEA what they are chatting about - absolutely no knowledge and noone responds to emails!!!!

Personally I am impressed by the imate ultimate series whenever it is released but I am troubled by their customer support.
For almost 3 months now the clubimate site (Jasjam) page mentions that a newer version of the operating system will soon be released. When I finally got on line with them yesterday the person mentioned that it has already been released. Before I could ask him where it is posted the on line chat disconnected not to be connected again. But I am sure that clown had no idea of what he was talking about.
Regards

the ultimates series have yet to prove themselfs not to be vaporware though

Rudegar said:
the ultimates series have yet to prove themselfs not to be vaporware though
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I dont think that it ll be a vaporware esp when considering the fact that the imate's future depends on them

is there a phone that has a around 3" screen, VGA, WM6 , GPS and HSDPA ?

hi,
is there a phone that has a around 3" screen, VGA, WM6 , GPS and HSDPA ?
the E-TEN X800 will have that when it gets out in 2010
the portege g900 is close but without GPS and it's screen is transmissive (weird for a modern phone)
the HTC Advantage is just too big and WM5 ?? WTH !
the HTC Omni might have all that but it only exists in photoshop plus it seems you can`t use it without unfolding the keyboard
the TyTN II doesn't have a VGA screen
I think I might go with the G900 and endure the non-reflective screen and carry around a bluetooth GPS since that's the only option right now and the X800 has been delayed for months
are there other phone to look out for , or other phones that come close ?
thanks

I think the x800 is out in certain online stores and rumor has it the m800 should also be coming out soon.

and if the polaris rumors are connect it will have 3.5" vga screen and all the rest
and maybe that thoshiba thingy forget it's name

The Polaris would not have vga, almost the same specs as the TyTN II only slimmer and no hardware keyboard. The more little/slimmer brother of the TyTN II.

still many sources who claim it does
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocke...s/257910/HTC-Touch-GPS-VGA-more-HTC-Polaris-/
http://www.trendygadget.com/2007/06/29/htc-polaris-coming-in-october/
you can get more with google both sources which say vga which say qvga
which say 2.8" and 3.5" it's still too early to say anything for surden

shodanx said:
I think I might go with the G900 and endure the non-reflective screen and carry around a bluetooth GPS
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Wow are you not aware of the numerous serious problems it has?
And that Toshiba have practically given up?
Do a Google about user opinions you will find out more.
There were some X800 in stock yesterday at Inkino.
And it is (I think) widely available in Romania and nearby countries already.

Hi,
thanks for all the replies
I had no idea there were any X800 on the market yet
also I thought the g900 software glitches had been mostly corrected, in fact just before I read that I was gonna bid on a G900 on ebay , I was one click away literally !
inkino is inkinocomms.com ? right ?
http://www.inkino.co.uk/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=82&products_id=1997
hmm it's pre-order
anyone knows of a store that really has some ?
I've been looking for this phone since august but release date is always two weeks away :\
also what about the HTC P6500 , is that coming out this century ? because it looks like it has everything too

With the G900, some issues are fixed with the new firmware, but a lot of users are still having problems and Toshiba don't give a tosh about further updates. I personally wouldn't gamble on it.
The turnaround time of upgrading a G900 from Toshiba is 8 weeks. And if you are not in the UK (don't know where are you from), then you can't even send the G900 to Toshiba to get an upgrade. You cannot download the firmware, the upgrade must be carried out by Toshiba.
Next week the X800 should start to become more widely available. However there are reports saying that the graphics performance is REALLY poor. I would wait for more user reports before deciding.
Don't know what you think but I think the P6500 is massive! (Massive as in physically huge, not as in popular)

I think x800 is already available....do you have informations about HTC release about a 3.5" vga touchflow device at the beginning of 2008??
I like the HTC touch cruise, but the 2.8" screen is too small!!!

Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT by a Tosh. The quality is one thing and with a list of tweaks you can get it pretty stable. The SOD issue is probably caused by a wrong version of AS in the ROM.
But the f*ck*ng support from this is really bad. I did sent mine away 4 weeks ago, haven't heard a thing yet. No response on emails. They really don't give a **** about there customers.

9502 or m800
id wait and cross your fingers for I-mate 9502 or eten M800 (x800 with qwerty) to be released!

This is brand new: The I-Mate Ultimate 9502
http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502&skinid=1
It's got HSDPA/HSUPA for the United States along with a VGA screen, GPS, Wifi, etc. Check it out. Supposedly these will be sold directly through their website when the device becomes available.
MJB

I've been waiting for a long time for the X800, but it turns out to have a lot of issues:
http://eten-users.eu/index.php?showtopic=11632
The 64 mb of RAM ends up to be only 20 mb free after a soft reset because of the bulky ROM (too many programs want to load). No dedicated graphics processor gives it a 236.04 graphics index on spb benchmark. For perspective, the TyTn II's index is over 10 times higher. The VGA isn't worth painfully slow website scrolling.
If only, if only the 9502 isn't vaporware. If no ultimates are released in 2007, I'll throw in the towel, call VGA a dream, and buy a Tilt. I really hope it doesn't come to that.
HTC seriously needs some competition. How can a phone so fat have such a small battery (about 1300 mah)? So many radios need more juice--the 9502 is supposed to have around 1600 mah.
Here's hoping for the 9502 . . .

I thought you can now buy high capacity batteries (1600mah or so) that are the same size as the OE battery?

Early imate 9502 review
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/10/imate_9502_handson.html
Im getting one!
skipping the eten m800 (mainly because low memory).
d

I am waiting for something like this myself.
Really hope that HTC will release an iPhone-killer. And not that ugly as HTC6500.

I have been after this exact phone for 2 and a bit years, Im so happy it finally exists !! I started with the universal when it first came to the UK, it was nearly perfect features wise but had issues, now I have an athena it has all the features I want but it's just too big and now finally this !! I hope one of the UK vendors picks it up !!!

Touch Diamond

Oh my, that makes me want to do a sex wee!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46296

I hope we can find something useful in it for our devices.... i realy don't want to buy a new device...

Yes, on the face of it, it seems quite soon after the TC was launched but then I suppose this might take a good few months to turn up in the shops. I presume the VGA screen will mean a lot of the UI widgets won't be usable on the TC, sadly.
Lots more info/video here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/HTC

Unless someone makes them work, but I seriously doubt that HTC will stick to the VGA line...

Yeah I don't want to have to buy another device either. It does suck that it's so soon after the Cruise was released. No microSD memory slot right? I haven't see it mentioned anywhere. 4GB internal memory might be faster but is way too limited.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389935
here they say microSD but then they also say EGPS where the htc site only say AGPS
so who is to know for sure yet...
being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S

Rudegar said:
being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S
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We'll see about that... but until this community gets it's hands on the ROM, we'll see what has Android to offer

Watch this video and submit your comments as to the fluidity of the OS.
Typical of HTC, init?
http://techdigest.tv/2008/05/shiny_video_rev_169.html

When she was actually demoing it, there seemed to be a certain lag when she scrolled whith her finger... Could it be that the diamond also suffers from the "TouchScreen Bug"?

According to Engaget it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon

chipset is not the same!
ovidiaconescu said:
According to Engaget it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon
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While I do admire their efforts on the Diamond, I feel that the HTC product development process is just way to rushed. In the end they end up coming out with half assed devices. It seems like they make a new model every 2 months these days e.g. Touch, Touch Dual, Touch Cruise, P3470, Sedena, etc. So its no wonder they can't get any one model right.
They really need to take some notes of what Apple has been doing with the iPhone. New products have had more storage space, and they've been focusing on software updates for their current users. This way prospective buyers are happy and current owners are kept happy. HTC on the other hand delivers maybe one update to a device full of bugs its entire product lifetime in the form of an AKU. That's quite pathetic customer service esp. for devices that are nowhere near perfect from the get go.
I would buy a Diamond, or a WM7 phone, but HTC needs to start doing a better job respecting its current customers - seriously, the Kaiser ppl have been waiting practically a year now for some sort of update, and we Polaris ppl have been waiting nearly 6months. Until HTC does something about product support, my Touch Cruise and my HTC loyalty will hold me over just until the next generation iPhone comes along and the Apple SDK/Apple store has apps coming along.

I agree, they are releasing devices way too fast. They really should invest time in releasing a device that has quality design with well thought out hardware, something that can last for awhile and then release software updates to it. The iPhone comparisons though are not very accurate, since apple designed the hardware and the software and ATT has nothing to do with it (mostly). (as opposed to att needing to come out with their own ROMs for the tilt). But I see your point, where is the official WM6.1 release for example for HTC branded devices? End of March promised for some fix, it's now May and nothing, only an announcement for a new phone. Shame...

I really hate to admit it, but Apple does a good job whith their device/update probram, hell even M$ comes out with updates on a regular basis for its OS...
HTC should learn something from them... the sleek design, and user friendly interface may win the looks prize, but nothing else if it's unuseable and the support sucks...
Some people have more qualifications for PDAs then most of the personel at HTC from simple tech support, to development... and this is an open community (maybe that's why HTC tech support sucks, because we're here to sort out their mess)

Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA
Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)
Just my opinnion, of course...

Diamond announced at O2 Germany
as I have just found out, O2 has already announced the HTC Diamond at their Online shop. At another site I found the rumor, that it will be available in June... we'll see.
http://shop2.o2online.de/nw/produkt...lesChannel=SHOP&articleId=617&categoryId=1120

Bodisson said:
Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA
Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)
Just my opinnion, of course...
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An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.
This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.
TDO

TDO said:
An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.
This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.
TDO
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Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.

RE
actually i think this device is pretty cool. since my tytnII ended up in the washmachine i really doubting of buying this device or another tytnII from the insuarrance money...
pros tytn:
-keyboard
-i have 2 accus by then, 2 chargers etc etc...
-memory card slot (though i got 4 gb and it seems enough)
pros diamond:
-size!!! what a beatifull size at all, lighter and thinner then a n95, iphone etc.
-vga screen
-improved chipset and 192mb ram
I just wait till the first real reviews come out and then i decide!

andyturner said:
Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.
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It has drivers which use the videocontroller.
But this driver can only accelerate the "drawing" of the graphics and there only specific functions.
The main-cpu has still to handle 4 times the data in comparison to a qvga device.
TDO

HTC Trophy - Fact or Fiction?

Although, I have seen the announcement about the HTC Trophy several months back with HTC's 2010 roadmap, I haven't seen any news from any reputable source since the extremely nice render that was done of the phone a while back.
Has HTC changed their minds on this device?
Any thoughts?

I hope not because I'm really looking forward to this phone, for me it is the ideal phone to replace my SE P1i! I think the fact that it is already available as a pre-order means that it's coming soon!
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wir...c&utm_term=HTCTROPHYBKEU&utm_campaign=froogle

That's still a far cry from being picked up and subsidized somewhat by a local carrier though.

Sony Ericsson Aspen looks just as good, if not sleeker! Why not get that phone instead?

The SE Aspen has a lower screenresolution (320x240), so at least for me it's a no-go.
I really don't care about carrier-subsizing as I always buy my cellphones directly and unlocked. My current Palm Treo Pro has a 320x320 screen and I'd really like to "upgrade" to the HTC Trophy, but so far it seems more of an idea than a real product being released anytime soon...
Maybe Q4/2010? ;-)

Art4 said:
The SE Aspen has a lower screenresolution (320x240), so at least for me it's a no-go.
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Exactly, and it has a resistive touch screen!
I really don't care about carrier-subsizing as I always buy my cellphones directly and unlocked.
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Yeah me too!

so Art4 are you going to pre-order it??

No, because as long as there's only a seller that has it on its list without a press release by the manufacturing company (i.e. HTC) I doubt it's a legitimate offer.
I will buy it when I see someone having it in stock... I'm not someone of the Apple-fanatics kind who pre-orders something without the product yet being manufactured / existing. So far, all I've seen is an internal marketing presentation by HTC... and as far as I know and learnt, that doesn't mean much.
Oh and... the ES400 by Motorola seems more interesting to me by now anyway, and judging by the material I've seen so far, it'd be a more serious product anyway.
I'm just not sure how available it will be through the usual sales channels for consumers (i.e. not those that don't buy it for either a large enterprise or from a cellphone carrier.)
PS: Which I don't mean offensive in any way, it's just that... all there is at this point are rumours and an internal marketing presentation; everything else is at best hearsay.

Yeah you're right, I haven't pre-ordered it either! I saw the Motorola ES400 yesterday, it looks fine and meets my demands but the problem is that it has a resistive touch screen! And the trophy looks way more elegant! So now the ES400 is second on my list, I will wait until September, if the Trophy is not out by then, I will buy the ES400 (if it's available for consumers as you specified above) but I hope the Trophy will be out soon!

To be honest:
I want to go back to the old Nokia days, where I could drop my phone on the marble floor or on gravel without having to worry whether or not it's damaged or not, just pick it up and continue with my call.
... which is why the ES400 sounds more interesting to me by now.
The only thing that might convince me to still buy the HTC Trophy is that the ES400 will most probably be less available in Europe and more expensive (due to features like fingerprint reader etc.)

Good points all. It's just that it seems that the Trophy prompted a lot of interest even as it came out. You'd think that would prompt HTC to at least look in that direction. I mean, who does the fake render just because?

maybe it will be a windows phone 7 phone. rememeber how there would be 2 resolutions for wp7? 800x480 and 320x240(i think im not sure the exact numbers) that would make sense

CreeperCK said:
Good points all. It's just that it seems that the Trophy prompted a lot of interest even as it came out. You'd think that would prompt HTC to at least look in that direction. I mean, who does the fake render just because?
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Most (all?) of the renders you see on google/sites were made by a forum member here. I don't know if htc has actually released a render/photo of the real thing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5244656&postcount=136

I guessing...
My conclusion is that it's all fiction or cancelled planning at this point. That's too bad.

Found one website that has changed the expected rel date to Sept 2010.. wonder if they know something we don't.

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Most (all?) of the renders you see on google/sites were made by a forum member here.
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Actually the Hi res was a fan render.. the fuzzy one was shown on internal HTC information that leaked.

cdgoin said:
Found one website that has changed the expected rel date to Sept 2010.. wonder if they know something we don't.
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I asked a sales rep about the release (or rather shipping date) of the Motorola ES400: they said it'd be September 2010 as well.
I think this is related to the fact that new windows mobile smartphones are to be released at the same time or ideally after the big Windows Phone 7 launch.
Due to the fact that both the HTC Trophy and the Motorola ES400 ship with WM6.5.3 I suppose both are concerned in relation to the WP7 launch rule, either imposed directly by Microsoft (for marketing/launch availability reasons) or by production capacity limits of the factories (and related production contracts & guarantees.)
... that's what I think about that anyway, when I try to extrapolate something from the little available information. ;-)

Art4 said:
The SE Aspen has a lower screenresolution (320x240), so at least for me it's a no-go.
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I do have the SE Aspen and I definitely don't want a higher screen resolution at this form size (screen diagonal is 2,6 inch)!!
Higher screen res would be overkill and put a higher demand on CPU power and battery. There would be no use in it, despite cosmetics. But I prefer battery runtime over eye candy.
I have a VGA PDA with 3.6 inch screen, that is 2.1 x 2.9 inches compared to Aspen's 1.6 x 2.1 inches. At this screen size, you definitely benefit from higher screen res. as you can squeeze more text into the screen.