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What Wizard Wm6 Rom Do U Think Is Best?

I need help choosing a ROM, this is my first time. Memory doesn't matter, I have SD card. Hoping for some extra programs, good wifi, and stable, I don't want it to freeze too often. Battery life doesn't matter as long as it lasts a FULL day. Let me what you think is best, so far I like the wizard titanium, but people tell me its too old. What do you think? ALSO, IT HAS TO BE WM6! THNAKS!!!

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charly_mx said:
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Is this really necessary?
waleed786 said:
I need help choosing a ROM, this is my first time. Memory doesn't matter, I have SD card. Hoping for some extra programs, good wifi, and stable, I don't want it to freeze too often. Battery life doesn't matter as long as it lasts a FULL day. Let me what you think is best, so far I like the wizard titanium, but people tell me its too old. What do you think? ALSO, IT HAS TO BE WM6! THNAKS!!!
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If I had to recommend a fast stable rom with some nice extras, I would have to say TNT.1437 is one of the best. It has plenty of nice little extras and is one of the most complete and stable rom's I have used. I have been using it for the last 4 months and only switched Roms to test new releases and then always to back to the 1437 build. I personally like the TouchFlo version.

dharvey4651 said:
Is this really necessary?
If I had to recommend a fast stable rom with some nice extras, I would have to say TNT.1437 is one of the best. It has plenty of nice little extras and is one of the most complete and stable rom's I have used. I have been using it for the last 4 months and only switched Roms to test new releases and then always to back to the 1437 build. I personally like the TouchFlo version.
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Very true,the best ever Rom I have tried so far and specially the 10mb ppool

I spent a fair bit of time re-working TNT 1437 to suit my own needs and preferences. I have relatively easily moved from TNT 1437 to 1921 and recently to 1933; each time having to make some modifications to it's right Base ROM. However since he has kept the ROMs reasonably consistent between versions my time spent modifying has decreased somewhat.
My choice of ROMs would be it's right's 1933 Base and my own customisations. Most ROMs are likely to have something you don't like or don't want and I think it is now so easily to learn how to cook your own the best option is to build your own using one of the bases available. That way it will be the 'best ROM' for you.
For me, I will be sticking with it's right 1933 base for the time being as I have had very few issues with it, plus he has worked hard integrating the original 5.2.318 drivers into it, oh and it's (currently) the latest
My 2 cents..
Andy

I use XM6r3, it has given me no problems at all. I have tried many other roms and felt this was the best for my needs. Are there faster roms? I did like tnt, I tried a couple different builds (including touchflo which I don't care for) and after configuring and installing all my normal things, XM6r3 seemed to run faster. Available memory was almost =. I do like some of the bug fixes TNT has.
You think your question should be easy to answer, but really your asking what is the best car manufacturer, who has the best tasting beer. In time you will find one you like. I initially flashed my brains out with everything I could get my usb cable on, but now, I just want something that gets it done.
Jeff

ADB100 said:
I spent a fair bit of time re-working TNT 1437 to suit my own needs and preferences. I have relatively easily moved from TNT 1437 to 1921 and recently to 1933; each time having to make some modifications to it's right Base ROM. However since he has kept the ROMs reasonably consistent between versions my time spent modifying has decreased somewhat.
My choice of ROMs would be it's right's 1933 Base and my own customisations. Most ROMs are likely to have something you don't like or don't want and I think it is now so easily to learn how to cook your own the best option is to build your own using one of the bases available. That way it will be the 'best ROM' for you.
For me, I will be sticking with it's right 1933 base for the time being as I have had very few issues with it, plus he has worked hard integrating the original 5.2.318 drivers into it, oh and it's (currently) the latest
My 2 cents..
Andy
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What kind of modifications did you make to the TNT.1437 Rom? I have been using it for some time and love it but for whatever reason I can't seem to get any of the many available kitchens to work on my computer whether it be on my Vista partition or my XP partition. Neither work.

Ok, I want to thank everyone for all your help. Also, charile_mx, if you didn't have any advice for me, you shoudn't have posted anything at all, there was no reason for you to post the stupid comment. So far I like the wm6 tnt touchflo edition, it looks nice, but im going to do more research on it first. how stable is it? Does it open apps quick, and can I open 2 or 3 apps at onve without it freezing?

waleed786 said:
Ok, I want to thank everyone for all your help. Also, charile_mx, if you didn't have any advice for me, you shoudn't have posted anything at all, there was no reason for you to post the stupid comment. So far I like the wm6 tnt touchflo edition, it looks nice, but im going to do more research on it first. how stable is it? Does it open apps quick, and can I open 2 or 3 apps at onve without it freezing?
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The best thing that you can do for yourself is simply read up on everything involved with your wizard first. Is it unlocked? Is it G3 or G4? Does it have an IPL and SPL higher then 2.XX ? Please don't answer these questions to me. I am simply giving you some things to follow up on in your research, so that you can avoid ending up with a Brick.
Personally I have been using my own cooked Cross bred version, although I really like the look of It's Right 1933. I may have to cross breed something there.
Good Luck

dharvey4651 said:
What kind of modifications did you make to the TNT.1437 Rom? I have been using it for some time and love it but for whatever reason I can't seem to get any of the many available kitchens to work on my computer whether it be on my Vista partition or my XP partition. Neither work.
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Nothing too major. I modified a few .RGU files to remove some settings I don't like (Wireless on the Today screen is one I can think of), replaced the various TNT skin customisations with the default ones, replaced the Calc1 with the original Calculator, removed the themes and added my own, customised my own 'Office Mobile' folder, added battery status with my own settings, removed some unused applications and replaced them with some of my own. I replaced some of the included packages with the same ones I have that I have had continued sucess with - i.e. the various media related packages that all have reliance on certain codecs and system files that everyone seems to have issues with (Audio Manager, Voice Recorder, Streaming Media, Camera & MMS). I also included my Personal Stuff and locale settings in a custom .RGU file as well as changed the Autorun stuff to launch my own extended ROM. Oh and I have my own custom splash screens (which it took me a while to get installed and it really pi$$ed me off when I used to install a new ROM and these got overwritten..... )
Basically when I flash my ROM (or hard reset) there are minimal changes that I need to make and no software to manually install to get it back the way I like it (my VoIP settings, a Certificate and TT get installed from my extended ROM).
I am currently using the 'HyperCore' kitchen but have used others with similar results. Using the HyperCore you must follow the instructions since it is easy to miss a step and end up with a partially 'dead' Wizard.
HTH
Andy

Starting this thread was a bad idea. Sorry I didn't saw it yesterday
Reasons :
[*]This has been posted too many times before.
[*]The "Best ROM" for you is the one YOU like most. You'll have to try a few on your own to figure out which one works best for you.
[*]Everybody will give you different answers so you won't get much out of it.
[*]ROMs don't act the same on all devices. One ROM that works perfect on my device it might not work the same on yours or any other one here. You don't trust me ? Do a benchmark on your PDA..then ask someone else to do a benchmark on his PDA with same ROM and you'll see differences.
In case that didn't convinced you, here's a small list of similar threads :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=263035
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339408
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335642
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334439
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333120
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306917
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330668
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324876
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324156
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323397
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319941
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317901
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316778
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314646
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=312774
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310934
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310043
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309041
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307870
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295777
...
The list can continue. "This is but a fraction of the monster..."

Should I keep the AT&T Tilt ROM or try the HTC (or some other) ROM?

Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave

I get my Tilt Tuesday and am wondering what the "bottom line" is on this as well. It seems by removing bloatware, and installing a few cabs, you pretty much get a Kaiser. Speed and battery life are concerns for me though and if either is poor, I'm pretty comfortable installing a ROM (did it previously on my Wizard). Thanks to all for all the good info and advice. I've read way too much considering I don't even have the phone yet.

Hopefully we'll get an answer. On another forum I've read that you can install cabs to make the Tilt like the HTC, but on another thread I read that the HTC rom is different and better!
I'm not seeing any major disadvantages from using the HTC rom, actually, besides the menu problems which evidently have a fix. So, it might be worth a shot.

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dhecker said:
Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
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custom roms base on htc releases have many advantages:
1- get rid of all junk and restrictions of at&t one
2- reg hacks and fixes that take the most out of your phone
3- many more advantages but if numbered here will take me all night
search in these forum and you get many other reasons to change. For example i bought the tilt and in the same day i unlock it due a hardspl and change the rom to a custom one and beleive i will never come back to at&t stock rom.

I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live

Pops_G said:
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!

It all comes down to preferrences. I have a Tilt, and I have installed just about every ROM available here. I keep going back to HTC oriented ROMS, but there is some drawback in that you have to "tweak" it a bit usually to get full AT&T usability. AT&T ROMS are good for staying "true" to the carrier's mindset, but usually are buggy or slower. Dutty's right now is my fav, but that could change
Battery life is best controlled with 2 applications, both the Kaiser Tweak program, and with a good comm manager program to disable comm when not in use. Or at least move between 2G and 3G connections. 3G is awesome fast, but a hugh battery drain.

Thanks for your input! I played with a Tllt for a while and the AT&T rom might have been slower (I don't know cause I've never seen the HTC!) but it was totally stable as far as I could tell. Is there some specific bugginess that you saw or are you just referring to the general sloppiness of the AT&T bundles, etc.?

dhecker said:
Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
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No, there is nothing you cannot do with the AT&T rom given enough time and tweaking. Before I got my phone I some how got the impression ROMs where almost like a different animal. I think a better analogy would be comparing them to a house with furniture. The different ROMs are just different styles.
But if you are a real power user, and it sounds like you are, I would just use another ROM and start from there. You will save some time. I'm a fan of the "clean" ROMs that some with almost nothing installed. Then I build them up from there. They are very easy to install if you read the instructions. And it only takes like 10-15 mins max.

Pops - That last comment was interesting. I can totally see the advantage of installing a lite rom or for that matter, a fully loaded Dutty's rom, etc. My concern was that if I did that, I'd actually wind up having to tweak for a while to get things smooth on the Tilt since I wouldn't be using the 'stock' rom. The assumption is the everything would work on day 1 with the stock rom, so I can tweak but I never have to really get things going.
In your experience, if I installed the most recent version of Dutty's Hybrid Kaiser TouchFlo Final (if I'm gonna flash the rom, I might as well load it up) that things would be about as stable/easy as if I spent time customized the AT&T rom?
If there's not too much risk or BS I might just go for it! There is something about keeping the original rom that makes me feel more confident, but it's also fun to tweak on the thing!

Well there are two types of Kaisers right now. The original HTC branded one and the Tilt. They are different in 2 ways. For the Tilt, some roms require you to install a keyboard fix for a minor adjustment. Also you have to configure the AT&T internet settings. It depends on the ROM. Some of the ROMs are already designed for the Tilt.
To answer your question, yes some of these ROMs can have you up and running without any tweaking or adjustments at all. Just read their instructions, it varies for each one.
For me, if I start with a stripped down ROM it takes me about 2 hours or more to install all of my apps and tweaks. For the fully featured ROMs like Dutty's, you can be ready to go in 20-30mins.

I installed the HTC stock ROM on my Tilt for the same reason I install reference drivers for my video card:
1. They are more true to the manufacturer's specifications.
2. There are more frequent and faster updates available.
Number 2 was the most important for me, even though HTC has not released an updated ROM yet...but when they do, I know that I can install it and it will be closer to what I have been using.
I had the Tilt ROM installed for a few weeks before I reverted to the HTC ROM. I also installed the HTC customizations on the Tilt ROM and played with that for a while. I noticed slight differences between the applications like the HTC Home application UI behavour has minor differences. There was also more available memory on the HTC ROM from the Tilt ROM even after I cancelled the Tilt customizations from installing.

Oh here is a neat program to help you test different ROMs without losing your contacts, SMS, call history etc.
PIM Backup

Have to throw my 2 cents in also.
Just got the Tilt last month,and after my initial fear of flashing(and succesfully installing HARDSPL) I've flashed lots of these ROM's too. I however, have to agree with Pops_G, the best solution I've found has been a "clean ROM" and customize it the way I want. I prefer the ATT versions over the monochrome/big clock/UGLY UI that the Kaiser ones have. I've been using Kyphur's Tilt XDA-Live v1.1 and love it. It provides the most storage of ANY of the custom ROMs and has the newest radio also. It shows a significant difference in my area;where the signal borders on weak.
Alemaker

Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..

dhecker said:
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
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Give yourself some time with each Rom (a few days) to really get a feel for it. Also know that your battery is going to be crap for a couple of weeks until it is properly "conditioned" so don't even include that in your comparison.
Another thing you need to consider what are you looking to gain from using a cooked rom? While it can be nice to have a lot of apps mixed in once there is a new version of an app you have to either flash an updated rom or install the update over the cooked version in which case you are now losing memory as the files in the rom can't really be deleted (only marked as such)...

kypher: Thanks for your input. I am interest in your comment about having apps in the rom, space, etc.
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.

dhecker said:
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Technically you can update (or even delete) the apps that are cooked in BUT... you've already paid in storage space for the files. When you upgrade the cooked files are marked as deleted so the files from the cab can overwrite them BUT... the files can't actually be deleted so if you have a 4MB program (like MS Voice Command) cooked in and you get an upgrade then you are actually paying 8MB of storage for the program now.
In short, even though the files are marked as deleted and you phone acts like they are deleted, you can't recover the memory they used if the files are cooked into the Rom. This is the primary reason I'm stripping XDA Live down as close to the undershorts as I can.

Well, the phone came this afternoon and I've been fooling around with it ever since. So far, so good!
I like the AT&T Tilt setup a lot. But, being a long-time geek I just couldn't resist and now I'm flashing Dutty's Tilt Rom. I'll play with that for a while, then maybe think about a long-term setup. It's kind of nice being able to flash the rom as I don't have to worry too much about screwing up the configuration since I can reflash at any time.
much fun! thanks everyone

I would like to try different ROMs as well, but I would like to be able to go back to ATT Tilt ROM if need be. How can I backup my original ATT ROM, so that I can flash back to it, if I needed to?

[B]List Your Favorites Here [/B]

1st of all...this site is great and there's an incredible amount of knowledge and inteligence here. I'll be tickled donate once completing the mods on my new *but* locked phone...errrrg
So, I posted this question maybe in the wrong area...'cause there was no response
jgdorado;1873942]I'm recieving a TYTN II tomarrow locked to ATT. I'm using t-mobile here in Florida. I want to completely eliminate any reference to ATT and run whatever rom's would provide the best of the best. So please entertain my questions as this may quite help many others who are trying to get the big pcture........
1) can I use Win2000Pro(sp4+) for these procedures
2) Should I 1st use Kaiser Super CID unlocker, or CID unlocker 1st?
3) then do I run the HardSPL v1
4) Then it appears that I should run this sim-unlocker
5) Then it appears that I need to load some form of other ROM i.e. Schwab cooked, Dutty V.4RTM or what do you folks suggest is best?
I assume WM6 remains untouched??? and the other operations like GPS, WiFi, etc??
Please treat the above as questions. I'm seeking your advice
Thanks for de-weeding my brain here
JG
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I am simply soliciting those who have a wonderfully working 8925/tilt/kaiser/tytn etc tell me what you're running and in what order does the s/w get installed for best operation
Your response is and will be greatly appreciated by all of us who are trying hard to get the bigger picture. I know it's your opinion (goes without saying) but your opinion matters and your experience with a fully functional kaiser gives us a place to start
THANK YOU -JG

jgdorado said:
1st of all...this site is great and there's an incredible amount of knowledge and inteligence here. I'll be tickled donate once completing the mods on my new *but* locked phone...errrrg
So, I posted this question maybe in the wrong area...'cause there was no response
jgdorado said:
I'm recieving a TYTN II tomarrow locked to ATT. I'm using t-mobile here in Florida. I want to completely eliminate any reference to ATT and run whatever rom's would provide the best of the best. So please entertain my questions as this may quite help many others who are trying to get the big pcture........
1) can I use Win2000Pro(sp4+) for these procedures
2) Should I 1st use Kaiser Super CID unlocker, or CID unlocker 1st?
3) then do I run the HardSPL v1
4) Then it appears that I should run this sim-unlocker
5) Then it appears that I need to load some form of other ROM i.e. Schwab cooked, Dutty V.4RTM or what do you folks suggest is best?
I assume WM6 remains untouched??? and the other operations like GPS, WiFi, etc??
Please treat the above as questions. I'm seeking your advice
Thanks for de-weeding my brain here
JG
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I am simply soliciting those who have a wonderfully working 8925/tilt/kaiser/tytn etc tell me what you're running and in what order does the s/w get installed for best operation
Your response is and will be greatly appreciated by all of us who are trying hard to get the bigger picture. I know it's your opinion (goes without saying) but your opinion matters and your experience with a fully functional kaiser gives us a place to start
THANK YOU -JG
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1. I really have no clue.
2-5. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356895 and checkout other articles here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser

jgdorado said:
1st of all...this site is great and there's an incredible amount of knowledge and inteligence here. I'll be tickled donate once completing the mods on my new *but* locked phone...errrrg
So, I posted this question maybe in the wrong area...'cause there was no response
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You are getting no response because the other members are being nice, and not to flame at you. Your answers are the first 8 stickies in the Kaiser Upgrade forum.

Fellow Floridian here. Hopefully you're a Gator fan. Consider this your freebie .
Flash this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334679. You'll then be CID unlocked and have the ability to flash another ROM. If you have any issues, start here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361039 This is the SIM unlocker that everyone has used. I have not used it because mine could be unlocked via AT&T.
Then read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356895, the wiki and the stickies before flashing. Remember, you can brick your phone if you are not sure of what you are doing. Take a day or two to read as much as possible. That being said, the chefs have made it super easy.
As for ROMs, they truly are opinion. Everyone has their own needs. I like clean ROMs and don't use things like cubes. Currently using Q-Mobile 1.2. Just flashed from Dutty's V2 medium. Loved them both. Also really liked Alex's and Custel's. Even tried Jack's for a while and liked it. The differences are often minute and sometimes even just perception about speed and performance. Someone recently did a performance review of a bunch of ROMs - there's an excel file around here somewhere. I have spent a couple of months trying to find my ideal and may never (as fast as great new ROMs come out here.) It's an addiction. Go ahead - take your first hit.

Again thanks for your answers.
I get the fact that I need to CID and Sim unlock the phone 1st. What I'm not quite getting are the different ROM's. I must assume the phone has one for its out-of-box operation. So when I flash a new rom does it overwrite the old one or does the old need to be unloaded (saved somewhere??). Does the WM6 remain untouched? How about the other features of the phone like GPS, WiFi, MP3, 3G, GPRS, etc-etc? Are they part of the rom or hardware withing the circuitry
After all the reading (2 weeks now) these items remain unclear to me. Thanks for not flaming at me, but if in the midst an answer is unveiled....I have thick skin
I feel like I'm getting somewhere and this thread will help others too.

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Again thanks for your answers.
I get the fact that I need to CID and Sim unlock the phone 1st. What I'm not quite getting are the different ROM's. I must assume the phone has one for its out-of-box operation. So when I flash a new rom does it overwrite the old one or does the old need to be unloaded (saved somewhere??). Does the WM6 remain untouched? How about the other features of the phone like GPS, WiFi, MP3, 3G, GPRS, etc-etc? Are they part of the rom or hardware withing the circuitry
After all the reading (2 weeks now) these items remain unclear to me. Thanks for not flaming at me, but if in the midst an answer is unveiled....I have thick skin
I feel like I'm getting somewhere and this thread will help others too.
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Well, flashing a ROM means to replace the default operating system with a modified one, so, the answer is yes to your question whether or not WM6 is touched. No matter what ROM you flash, you will have GPS, WiFi, MP3, 3G, GPRS, etc-etc. Think of it this way: You will still have your CD-ROM drive, your ethernet card, etc. if you reinstall Windows or upgrade to another version.

Think of a ROM as a full hard drive image. On your laptop you have Windows XP, Office and a bunch of other programs. But you like your buddy's setup better. He tweaked his registry and has chosen free programs that you like better, etc. So you are using his full hard drive image and overwriting yours. You'll be using his copy of Windows XP, but it will be legal because you have a key that came with your machine.
The ROMs here overwrite everything. They include everything basic you need to run your PPC and have tweaked the settings and registry keys to get the most out of all of your equipment. The differences are in those tweaks and then the programs they add on. Check out Alex's new wiki. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex's ROMs He gives a great idea of the range of ROM options...everything from the absolute basics (all hardware works and comes with the supporting software but you get to add everything else you want, including Office - so this basically equates to just a windows install for your laptop) all the way to all the possible "bells and whistles" including .pdf readers, games, etc. etc. All of the programs that are add-ons to the ROMs are freeware, because XDA doesn't allow warez. As such, you may find a piece of paid software that you like better than something that is used a lot here (for example, I've purchased Opera Mobile), but you'll learn which are the best free options via the ROMs.
The beauty of ROM flashing is it's fast. Takes about ten minutes to flash a new ROM (plus time to install all your add-on programs). If you don't like the one you tried this week (or in some cases day), try a new one next week (or tomorrow). Just make sure you use the radio that is suggested with most ROMs (some include the radio, some allow you to install the radio separately - this will be documented in the post/wiki). Thus you can figure out which optional programs you like the best and use the appropriate ROM. Learning to flash is relatively easy. Figuring out which of the ROMs and other programs you like best - that takes time and it is truly individual opinion.
Edit: BTW - you do not HAVE to SIM unlock your phone before messing with ROMs. I didn't when I started because I'm using on AT&T anyway and wasn't that worried about it. FYI.

With all the reading I've been doing here I never came accross the thread you referred me to....PRICELESS (THX)
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Check out Alex's new wiki. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex's ROMs He gives a great idea of the range of ROM options...everything from the absolute basics (all hardware works and comes with the supporting software but you get to add everything else you want, including Office - so this basically equates to just a windows install for your laptop) all the way to all the possible "bells and whistles" including .pdf readers, games, etc. etc.
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Also I now have the impression that the only reason he's made ATT vs HTC Roms has noting to do with the labeling on the phone (Mine's ATT) but only to do with using the ATT .09 radio, otherwise I can use any of the HTC roms and pick a radio that works for my T-mobile service. If I'm wrong please say so.
Also, still wondering whether I can get away with NT2000(sp4) as an OS on my pc.

im fairly certain that you will have no issue using win2k, as its the same kernal as winXP(just not as pretty), which is what most people use to do their flashing. as long as you are able to install activesync and its not vista you should be good to go.

His wiki is pretty new - perhaps that's why you haven't seen it yet. Again, there will be 20 people on here that will swear the ROM they use is the best. You could go equally well starting with Dutty's work (or Q-Mobile or whichever). However, Alex's work is topnotch and as good a place to start as any of the top cooks.
Without knowing precisely, I believe he made the AT&T versions because he's in the U.S. and probably uses AT&T himself. His AT&T versions use the standard AT&T radio and come preconfigured with all the standard AT&T Medianet settings. I've flashed both versions and they work great (I'm on AT&T). But, yes, in your case I would use the standard HTC ROMs.
Good luck.
P.S. As for your PC OS, not really sure. Too much of a newbie for that one myself. Have only heard about specific problems with Vista, but it seems they've made a fix for that. My guess is that you're fine (I know it's the same kernel as XP), but if you're concerned try Pof to find out about HardSPL.

thanks for all the input.....
Here's my new dilemma
It's a G4....so now I need to find nothing but G4 soft/hardSPL along with G4 Rom's and of Unlock the SIM of a G4

That's a Wizard variant. Check the Wizard forum. I think there's also a G4 specific area. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=343

will that work for the Kaiser/Tytn II/ tilt?
I was reading about the Wizard but nothing from there was actually working on my phone

I'm befuddled. Do you have a Tilt/Kaiser/TYTN II or a G4? Perhaps I didn't understand your previous post. No, the Tilt stuff will not work on the G4 and the G4 stuff will not work on the Tilt. Different units/different hardware/different CID unlock/different ROMs.

Do you have a Tilt/Kaiser/TYTN II or a G4?
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they are the same. The Tilt/Kaiser/TYTN II comes in both the G3 and G4 versions.
So now I seek the G4 versions of the CID and SIM unlockers as well as a G4 safe ROM
Any help is greatly appreciated

New User, Lots of questions...

Hey, first post, been lurking here a while (been in the market for a new WM phone for some time, and finally settled on the wizard, affordable, and more than powerful enough for my needs).
Anyway, here are the questions that I just haven't gotten my head around (all the info is a bit overwhelming, so I am going to try and ask a few pointed questions):
- Are there any hard proven (or recorded) speed differences between WM5, WM6, and WM6.1. How about general stability (comparing a clean rom, with no addons, just comparing the base os itself).
- Are there features that I should consider in these roms that are cooked in, that I CANNOT get by installing them individually on my own after flashing?
- The device I bought was a used T-Mobile 5125. It is fully unlocked, and is flashed to 6.0 with Blackdiamond release (by previous owner). Will I have any trouble flashing this back down to 5.0 if I wish, or up to 6.1?
- If I reflash my device back to a factory tmobile rom, will I run the risk of re-locking the phone?
What I am looking for:
- Stability at least close to that of the factory ROM.
- As much speed (responsiveness) as possible without overclocking
- Simple clean rom, with only the basic features:
- (OS, Office, Touchflo, HTC Apps, Wifi, GPRS, Bluetooth, Camera, MP3 Playback, Java, Web Browser, Enterprise features, and perhaps one or two utility apps)
- Definately want a touch (thumb) friendly dialer/contacts app
- Definately want a touch (thumb) friendly mp3 player/media player (coming from an ipod, looking for similar simplicity)

WOW !!!
That gave me a big 'Headache'
Can't decide what you're looking for and what shud be advised !
Can't answer all that !
Simplest answer to that is what you answered yourself already 'I realize no cell is 100% reliable, but I mean "as reliable as any other cell on the market, or at least as reliable as a factory rom"
Cheers!

Too much to read and answer. rofl
Read all the sticky themes and comments about: NBD roms, KhanX, Xda, TNT, Octavioi and Wm6.1 slim rom.
I reccomend u to use wm6. The best think would be if u use for work a simple cell phone, not pda. Cause stability and calls, sms..
Best mp3 player for me is http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=385
u can get all cracked software at ppcwarez.org
have a nice day

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That gave me a big 'Headache'
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Sorry, kinda braindumped there... I will edit original post to be short and clearer...
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Can't decide what you're looking for and what shud be advised !
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See original post (Edited) for clearer definition of what I am asking.
zabardast_1 said:
Simplest answer to that is what you answered yourself already 'I realize no cell is 100% reliable, but I mean "as reliable as any other cell on the market, or at least as reliable as a factory rom"
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lol, come on now... if I wanted "Factory rom" I would have ignored all this, and just reflashed to factory... But I don't think it is too much to ask for a non-factory rom, that is "as stable as" factory rom... Perhaps I am totally mistaken, and if so, then I am very surprised, but then so be it.
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Read all the sticky themes and comments about: NBD roms, KhanX, Xda, TNT, Octavioi and Wm6.1 slim rom.
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I will try and read through these again. I have allready read most of the TNT stuff and KhanX. (all like 60 pages of posts on each) and I am still having trouble really distinguishing between any of it (all seem to have the same mix of "this rom rocks" with "xxx feature is bugged" other than the specific bug posts, I couldn't glean many details from it.
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The best think would be if u use for work a simple cell phone, not pda. Cause stability and calls, sms..
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I realize I sounded a bit totalitarian in my "requirements" when I posted originally, perhaps I came off a bit in the extreme. I do use the phone for work, every day. BUT I specifically chose to switch from a regular phone to a pda because I carry around a pda, cellphone, and ipod everywhere I go, I want a single device that does a good job of all 3 functions. and there is NO reason that a pda/phone cannot achieve this. (hell I will write the bloody software myself if I have to, it blows my mind that it is this difficult to find something that achieves this). lol all that said, I am willing to make some sacrifices in the name of featureset. I am looking for a balance. But when I say "I need stability" I mean that relative to the pocketpc phone scene.
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Best mp3 player for me is http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=385
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Yeah, I noticed simpletunes... I have done a pretty extensive search, and so far simpletunes, or HTC audio manager are the only 2 mp3 players I can find that seem to be "thumb friendly" from what I have read. Mind you I have used neither so far, so once I try them both out I guess I will know better.
Question: is HTC Audio manager built into cube? or is it a standalone app?
Also, how do you find Simpletunes for performance? does it suck alot of CPU? or is it pretty light to use?
Thanks! (and sorry I am so bloody longwinded) lol.

lol no offence, but what i'm reading between the lines is still "what rom is best for me"
Anyway I'd advise using a proven ROM, since stability is such an issue for you. That would make me not wanna pick one of the latest cooked roms, since bugs often only show after some time, and take another time to fix. Having said that, the cooked roms always come with some software, it's just a long road of trying the software and deciding if you like it or not, nobody can answer that for you.
I personally found roms that have more software shipped with em not annoying, since i hardly ever use the start menu to reach programs. I just pick the programs i use a lot and put them on the today screen.
ROM im currently using is from the TNT series, runs very stable and fast without overclocking.
PS: I wouldn't take a ROM that has cube in it, since i get the feeling u dont want much hassle with your phone. Most ROMs nowadays have different versions, just check if it has this.
-xxx-&greetz
[edit]To answer some of your questions, as far as i know flashing back to factory rom won't lock your phone again(at least it didn't for mine). Besides that, i believe Audio manager is freely available, its a great replacement for windows media player[/edit]
[edit2]"Definetly want a finger-friendly contact manager" look at PocketCM, its a good app with touch-capabilities! Flashing back to older rom should be no problemo![/edit2]

Awesome. thanks for the reply!
Yeah I realize that you see another newb asking "What's best for me" but that isn't so much what I'm asking, mostly looking for a starting point, and some clarifications on the questions I had. I will worry about making my own intelligent decision in the end, and I will try out at least a couple, just there are so many bloody roms out there now trying them out until I found one by blindly choosing would be hundreds of reflashes lol... Also as I said I will likely end up cooking my own in the end, but if I know a few good places to start, I can compare 2-3 good ones, and use that to learn enough to either cook my own, or at least then I will definately know exactly what I am looking for.
Also thanks for answering the questions about flashing back to factory... That gives me some relief, because I can flash to factory, and try that as a baseline... Then worry about extra stuff (so I know what is broken, or out of place).
The only reason I thought I wanted cube was because I was under the impression the htc dialer app, contacts app, and music manager were built into it... If they are standalone apps and cube is just "eye candy" then I definately agree, I have heard it can be a hog, and if it offers no useful functionality I will skip it for sure. Can you confirm, is it just eyecandy? (lots of people talk about it, and show it off, but in the end it is never clarified anywhere what the cube itself really is lol)

Hey, i got you're point not trying to ask a noob question, was just messing with you. I noticed with my private use that i don't flash a lot, i do it once in a few months, but once i find a ROM that i like, i just customize it to my own extent, and keep running it for a while. It's just too much hassle reconfiguring everything every 3 days. Well as far as i can tell audio manager can be installed seperate (not 110% sure, so check to be certain). I had cube on my phone for at most half an hour, the speed of it just annoyed me. Neither did i find it really usefull, i dont want to make 4 or 5 gestures before i've started the cube, and found the tab that im looking for. If u want something similar but much better, try Ultimate Launcher (google for it or look at handango.de).
Cube is nothing more then a fullscreen application, trying to replace todayscreen (but thats just my humble opinion).
-xxx-&greetz

Ooh, yeah touch commander, and ultimate launcher look nice. Yeah now that I see the individual functionality of those apps, the need for cube is highly reduced lol...
PocketCM also looks to be exactly what I am after as well... So now I will have to try those apps out, and if they do what I need then I only have to confirm the mp3 player part... Will have to try those out too to see what I like. I like the "new" look of the htc audio manager, and it is finger friendly, but I also like the oldschool ipod look/feel of simpletunes... so I will have to try both and see which I like...
Thanks again for the responses!

if you got a bluetooth stereo headset for listening to music, find out which media players support it (used one myself for a while, windows media player was more then sufficient, since i didnt have to use my phone to control the player)
And as i said, just configure your phone the way you think works nice for you, you figure out soon enough if the apps u use do what you want them to. If they don't, ask on xda-developers if people have some good alternatives for it. btw a lot of people like the HTC Home today plugin, perhaps you should take a peek at it.

[Q] Will a new ROM be all I ever dreamed of....?

Hi all! I'm a noob to the site and a noob to smartphone modifications, so please forgive me for my questions and concerns. I've used forums for years on many topics and found the knowledge base to be incredible, so I hope you guys will help me out, too.
So, while my Skyrocket has generally worked very well for the past 2+ years, I have always felt it's not living up to its potential. I've read numerous threads on many forums to see what my fellow Rocketeers were doing. I think I've come to the conclusion that flashing a new ROM is the way to go, but I am a bit wary since I've never done this nor know anyone who has. My thinking goes along the same lines as my experience with computers... If you buy a Dell, HP, etc., you get the garbage that the manufacturer bundles in along with Windows. If you wipe the HD and install your own clean copy of Windows, you can usually get better performance without all that other stuff. Hence, the idea for a new ROM for the phone.
A few things have me wondering, though... There seem to be more ROMs available than flavors of Linux! I know choice will end up being a personal thing. My goal is really simple... I just want a clean OS that is stable, efficient, and runs the basic functions I am accustomed to. So, I am not looking to experiment or push the envelope. I want a phone that doesn't crash at the worst possible time, and one that can actually make phone calls! I assume that I will still be able to use the Google Play store to download apps (after installing the plugin thingy). My phone is from AT&T and is unlocked. Will it say unlocked after flashing a new ROM? Will Visual Voicemail still work? I occasionally use FoxFi to create a mobile hotspot. Will I still be able to use it? Or do other ROMs already have this feature unlocked (or bypassed)? I use apps on my phone mostly for email (Yahho/Gmail), calendar, FB, Instagram, YouTube, taking photos/video, viewing forums, and the like, besides making phone calls. In other words, what should I expect from a new ROM? How will things be different? I'm really trying to gauge if this is a worthwhile endeavor for me.
Sorry for the long post. I appreciate your opinions and experience.

It's always worthwhile.
The Skyrocket, to me, was always a case of OEM software that limited its potential. If you really sit down and tweak it, custom ROM, new governor, overclock, it's a beast of a phone that can still keep pace today. You'll have to balance performance with battery life--overclocking and switching to a more aggressive governor doesn't do you any favors there, and some ROMs are better about battery life than others. It's a great phone with a lot of life left, though, much more so than the vanilla S2 because the Rocket has LTE capability.
To hit your other questions, any app that is available on the Play Store will work. If a ROM needs a second gapps flash to get the Play Store (along with everything else Google ships) back, that will be made available and is a very easy install. I've never unlocked a phone, but I don't believe that a new ROM would lose that. Wait for someone else to reply, but I'd be shocked if it did. As far as what you want, there's a ROM to suit any desires. Most ROMs are pretty basic and look and feel like you'd expect a Skyrocket to. Some are designed to feel a little more like iOS, some are designed to be stripped-down (and faster as a result), and some are based on stock firmware and very closely replicate the original experience. It's up to you to read through the dev forum for the Rocket and pick the experience that's best for you.
As far as how difficult it is, spend a couple hours reading about flashing, how it works and why it works. Once you have that basic understanding of it and can follow a few simple instructions that are pretty universal across ROMs, you're set.

Well, I'm giving this a try tonight. Fingers crossed!

One piece of advice: when you pick a new rom from "Android development" read the WHOLE thread associated with that rom, with special attention the the first couple of pages. Make sure you understand the process and any potential pitfalls.
First rom I tried I spent probably six hours reading. It was worth it.

Success!!! I now have the latest CandyKat running! It ended up being not too bad at all. Now I need to figure out how things are different from the AT&T Jelly Bean this replaces.
Thanks for the advice and thanks to everyone who contributes to the site,

I have Kandykat. It seems to be a good solid rom. The Google Now launcher is buggy though. I changed to Nova launcher. Other than that it's been fine.

Thanks for the tips, Chris. I've been using Launcher3. What's the difference between these launchers? Everything seems to be running fine on my rocket now. Any tips on increasing battery life? Any tips on some nice customization?

Google Now launcher seems to have the annoying habit of forgetting the screen setup (app positioning) during reboot. Launcher 3 also exhibited the same problem. Launchers are a matter of taste, but Nova launcher seems solid and looks right to me. YMMV. It's easy to try a few.