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HTC Trinity DOES have a GPS-unit. HOORAY!

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/10/02/htc-trinitys-gps-receiver-lies-dormant/
I feel so happy I could dance.
Oh and I'm guessing someone from this community will write a reg-hack to enable it before HTC do!
In fact, this reminds me of the time the HTC Wizard was shipped with 802.11g disabled.

This isnt directly confirmed, as theres a link in the TyTN upgrading forum pointing to another source saying the claims are bogus.
two things to consider
1. Why would HTC release two GPS devices to compete with each others?
2. What sort of message would HTC be sending, given its only just taken its first steps directly into the market, to release an unfinished product?
If it is true then the P3600 is going to be one hot seller, especially that black possible finger print magnet version, but im skeptical at this stage.

All I remember is back when it was revealed the next few HTC phones were to be Artemis, Trinity etc, it was mentioned the Trinity would have a GPS unit.
I don't see them competing since one's a higher-spec model but obviously more expensive. I guess they have to create a cellphone for everyone's budget.
Still, I'm hopeful and I wouldn't be surprised if the disabled-GPS claim is true because they did release phones with G-mode Wifi disabled even though they were supposed to have them out-of-the-box.

i have no real need for gps but i know for a fact the day i do get one is the day where the following day gallieo will take off and stuff it to me how much better it is then gps

You gotta love those people holding back technology with comments like that; "I don't need a faster computer", "I don't need a phone with more features". Awesome. I just hope no-one from HTC reads his comments!

See I would be inclined to agree with you if the models were in a different price league, but look on: www.expansys.com / .co.uk. Both models only have a 50 pound price difference. So they are not really in different leagues, I cant see too many people not paying the extra $50 to get a nicer unit with 3G/HSDPA and whilst its debatable alot would weigh up an OMAP 200mhz versus the Intel one and side with the faster intel one, so HTC would really be shooting themselves in the foot in those regards.
But hey over the coming weeks I guess we will find out

I wouldn't rely on expansys.com's pricing, they've listed TyTN for even more than the Trinity.
I think that Artemis being slimmer may also be a factor (at least it looks that way in the photos).
You're right, I guess we will find out in the months to come.

Hi to everyone, I bought one HTC P3600 last monday, so, how can i verify if it has GPS and Wifi b/g activated???
if you need more info, please ask
JG

at the moment you can't

HTC X7510 or HTC Touch pro?

Hello everyone!
I sold my Athena in the favour of the upcoming HTC Touch Pro, but now I am wondering... Is it better to but the new X7510?
Can you please tell me what the differences are between the old X7500 and the new X7510?
I do know that X7510 has an 16GB SSD drive instead of the 8 GB Hard Drive, but what else is new?
With my X7500 I had some problems while watching videos, that the audio and video got out of sync after a while, I read somewhere that it was becouse the X7500 did not have the proper drivers installed, just like the Tytn II devices! Is that still an issue with the X7510?
Also I think that the X7500 did not perform very well in other applications either, to give you an example: TomTom was performing much better on the Tytn II then it was on the X7500 even tough tytn II has a slower cpu!
Please tell me if this new X7510 still has the same issues, and what more except the harddrive is changed?
Looking forward to your reply!

my X7510 is still on original HTC ROM, and running great with TomTom 7 (it comes free with TomTom 6)
i do not notice any noticeable slowdown
MP3 and Videos running fine, via my Bluetooth headsets.
coming from a Palm Treo, everything seems wAY!! faster for me. LOL
on the same topic, since i'm coming from the Palm World, i transfered my licenses to software i know by heart
Pocket Tunes for MP3 and TCPCMP for videos (freebie), and many other applications, that i transfered from Palm to PPC

I also was choosing between those two devices, and i went for the X7510 becuase big screen, and 16GB flash.

Darn, you beat me to it, I was going to post a thread on the two. You should insert a Poll, to see what people think.

You might not like the X7510 because you previously own a X7500. The major complaint is the lack of hard buttons. But for me, I don't need anything except the home button, so the X7510 is perfect for my needs.

Heres the poll!
hollywould said:
Darn, you beat me to it, I was going to post a thread on the two. You should insert a Poll, to see what people think.
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Inserted poll, hope there will be many voters!

cktlcmd said:
You might not like the X7510 because you previously own a X7500. The major complaint is the lack of hard buttons. But for me, I don't need anything except the home button, so the X7510 is perfect for my needs.
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Yeah I do know that there is less hardware buttons, but I dont really need them on athena anyway! The most important thing for me to know right now is if there is a problem with missing drivers like on the X7500?
How is watching videos, does it skip frames like on X7500, does the audio/video come out of sync?
What is the biggest difference in the hardware between the X7500 and X7510, does it have another chipset or what?
These are all the questions that I need answered!

I see that I'm the first voter!
For me, if my interest is in watching video (and I watch lots of them), there is a no brainer that a 5 inch screen is the way to go. I don't have any issue with the driver or anything like that. I find the video fluid and smooth, sound clear. I just do't demand it to be as good as my home theatre system in terms of clarity and sound quality that's all. I have lots of youtube collections and even if I watch them in 100% size, where the clarity is the best, the picture size is probably still as big as stretching it 200% on a 2.8 inch screen.
By the way, there is nothing wrong with the driver. I came across an article before explaining that even HTC did not know that it was not their fault that the ATI Imageon Decorder is not peforming. Apparently it is because another party had intentionally disabled some capability due to licensing and pricing issue. So it was a pricing rather than technical issue that we are not getting the best performance. If I come across that article again, I'll post it.
Other than being the best device to play video, Athena (whether it is 7500,7501, or 7510) are also best internet device out there at the moment. I've tried using iPhone which has only a miserable 3.2 inch. Although it has a very nice Safari, using it for internet is a pain. Everytime I want to see something, I have to use my finger to stretch it until the text are large enough to be readable. I then have to keep scrolling left and right to read. With Athena and Opera Mobile 1184, I can read without zooming in and out (if I set the minimum overview zoom to 85%). It is so easy.
Then, when come to using Softmaker or Office application, the 5 inch screen is simply unmatchable.
Even my TomTom 7, which runs very fast BTW, looks much better on the 5 inch than on 2.8 inch screen. Talking about TT7's speed, make sure you use the right ROM, as I did have issue with loading speed and memory on some ROM. Use the latest irus new 0MB pagepool ROM, MiChY 1.88, or Sogarth base ROM. The former two are particularly fast and TomTom friendly. My start screen is displayed in split seconds, and does not get half frozen like in some earlier ROMs.
I did have chance to play with a 2.8 inch device lately, and I was just too frustrated with the unacceptably small screen size. It is not finger friendly for me for most of the applications.
As your poll is between 7500 and TouchPro, I will not mention too much about the hardware button. However, as I use the device tablet style, I got to have those bottons. When using MP3 programs, I use it to skip song, repeat songs, volum up, down, blank screen, go to song list, etc. In mail, I use it to go to next mail, next account, etc. In news feed, the same things. When I walk around with MP3 in my pouch, I do not want to take it out, turn on the power, change a song, find a way to blank the screen, and put it back to my pouch. So, hope that settles once and for all why buttons are so indispensable for tablet style users, which I believe account for about half of Athena owners.
Another thing I should point out is that the microdrive is not less unreliable than my storage card, other than being a lot faster. This is based on my own experience after almost one and a half year of use by now.
I do not say that the Athena has no room for improvement. There are plenty to improve on. But there is no device out there good enough to replace it yet.

x7510 or Touch Pro
I currently own a x7500, Iphone 3g, HTC Diamond, Blackberry curve, blackberry pearl. Sometimes I wonder why do I need so many devices. The truth is that I like each of them for their different features. Let me share with you my knowledge from experience. HTC Diamond or HTC Pro. Though the display is sharp the screen size is way too small for serious pda users. I believe you guys are if not you will not be accessing this website. As such this device is a no no.
The Blackberry curve is good for emails as its reliable and the price plan is quite cheap. (Cheap I will explain later) Emails are really fast and reliable. Blackberry pearl, typing is not that convenient but I like it as the size of the phone is small.
The iphone 3g, its a love and hate device. A week ago, I brought it roaming in Japan. With mobile me I received about 120 emails in 2 days. Replied to about 8 of them. Check 2 websites. Made a 5 minute phone call. The bill for roaming came out to be about US$150 for that 2 days of usage. Although Mobile me is more superior as it can display pictures and html, the cost of using it overseas will make it an impractical option. In addition the emails do not arrive as fast as the blackberry emails. Someone above mentioned that you have to zoom in and out with your fingers. Actually there is an easy way. All you need to do is tap twice on the paragraph you are interested and it automatically zooms in. Video display is first class. The software seems to run smoother than pocket pc. In addition, it feels smarter and faster. Its a love and hate relationship. Though I like the software, there are many things I dislike. That is why I am still carrying my HTC Advantage
HTC Advantage x7500, is one of the best all rounder. You can edit excel, you can save any kind of documents on the device. You can sync notes and tasks with outlook. You can have tom tom or mapking on it. You can cut and paste from calendars or contacts to anywhere.
These are the things iphone cannot do. Just waiting everyday patiently for an update from Apple itunes is driving me crazy. Not only that you cannot sync it with your work and home computer. You have to pay for most of the useful software like Skype and so on
I am tempted to give my iphone to my wife and continue using the HTC Advantage.. Though I don't own a x7510. I think the main problem with it is that HTC did not spend enough efforts to main it a better device. They have the technology to increase the download speed from 1.8 mb/sec to 7.2 mb/sec but they didn't. HTC Diamond is running on 7.2 mb/sec. This actually have a big impact when you are watching youtube or slingbox using 3g. Unlimited data plan is already so common in where I live and it will be the same for the rest of the world will be so common in the next 1 to 2 years.
Hope these information help you guys in deciding which is the best device for you.

It will be very hard to acept the screen of PRO for you. After 5 inches i cant work with my Nokia E61. The main problem of Athene is the fact that ATI and HTC dont want to use the whole abilities of these phone. The ATI cheep doesnt work correct. But still X7500 is amasing. I dont need 16GB of memory, but i need hardware buttons. And i wount change my phone neither to 7510 neither HTC PRO

He is talking about the 3.6 touch pro2. I will hopefully also get it in a month or two and I think my Athena will be relegated to when i have ebooks or movies to catch upon use.

You made a big mistake the x7510 has no equal you got scammed like a sucker
branko.savic said:
hello everyone!
I sold my athena in the favour of the upcoming htc touch pro, but now i am wondering... Is it better to but the new x7510?
Can you please tell me what the differences are between the old x7500 and the new x7510?
I do know that x7510 has an 16gb ssd drive instead of the 8 gb hard drive, but what else is new?
With my x7500 i had some problems while watching videos, that the audio and video got out of sync after a while, i read somewhere that it was becouse the x7500 did not have the proper drivers installed, just like the tytn ii devices! Is that still an issue with the x7510?
Also i think that the x7500 did not perform very well in other applications either, to give you an example: Tomtom was performing much better on the tytn ii then it was on the x7500 even tough tytn ii has a slower cpu!
Please tell me if this new x7510 still has the same issues, and what more except the harddrive is changed?
Looking forward to your reply!
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DUDE YOU NEED to sell off the blackberry pearl and curve as the bold is superior to those 2 devices in every category you can even get the bold refurb for FREE on at&t the htc diamond don't even support at&t 3g a waste of money as the X7510 is superior in all aspects. I would sell off the x7500 and diamond for the x75210 or even the Leo and sell off the curve and pearl for profit and upgrade blackberry plan with bold or magnum(q4 realease) and get a better blackberry and extra $$$.
greatestkelvin said:
I currently own a x7500, Iphone 3g, HTC Diamond, Blackberry curve, blackberry pearl. Sometimes I wonder why do I need so many devices. The truth is that I like each of them for their different features. Let me share with you my knowledge from experience. HTC Diamond or HTC Pro. Though the display is sharp the screen size is way too small for serious pda users. I believe you guys are if not you will not be accessing this website. As such this device is a no no.
The Blackberry curve is good for emails as its reliable and the price plan is quite cheap. (Cheap I will explain later) Emails are really fast and reliable. Blackberry pearl, typing is not that convenient but I like it as the size of the phone is small.
The iphone 3g, its a love and hate device. A week ago, I brought it roaming in Japan. With mobile me I received about 120 emails in 2 days. Replied to about 8 of them. Check 2 websites. Made a 5 minute phone call. The bill for roaming came out to be about US$150 for that 2 days of usage. Although Mobile me is more superior as it can display pictures and html, the cost of using it overseas will make it an impractical option. In addition the emails do not arrive as fast as the blackberry emails. Someone above mentioned that you have to zoom in and out with your fingers. Actually there is an easy way. All you need to do is tap twice on the paragraph you are interested and it automatically zooms in. Video display is first class. The software seems to run smoother than pocket pc. In addition, it feels smarter and faster. Its a love and hate relationship. Though I like the software, there are many things I dislike. That is why I am still carrying my HTC Advantage
HTC Advantage x7500, is one of the best all rounder. You can edit excel, you can save any kind of documents on the device. You can sync notes and tasks with outlook. You can have tom tom or mapking on it. You can cut and paste from calendars or contacts to anywhere.
These are the things iphone cannot do. Just waiting everyday patiently for an update from Apple itunes is driving me crazy. Not only that you cannot sync it with your work and home computer. You have to pay for most of the useful software like Skype and so on
I am tempted to give my iphone to my wife and continue using the HTC Advantage.. Though I don't own a x7510. I think the main problem with it is that HTC did not spend enough efforts to main it a better device. They have the technology to increase the download speed from 1.8 mb/sec to 7.2 mb/sec but they didn't. HTC Diamond is running on 7.2 mb/sec. This actually have a big impact when you are watching youtube or slingbox using 3g. Unlimited data plan is already so common in where I live and it will be the same for the rest of the world will be so common in the next 1 to 2 years.
Hope these information help you guys in deciding which is the best device for you.
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I came from the X7500 I owned for nearly two years until it got broken - exactly when my phone contract had to be prolenged by two more years.
I was looking around for a new device and ended up to order a X7510 - I even asked my provider (T-Mobile) to sell me a new device although they hadn't listed it any more.
In my eyes there is actually no other device available offering this huge screen in addition with 16GB internal memory and the possibility to install even more memory via SD-card. I use my devica mainly for business purposes when travelling (mostly by car) - calling contacts, making appointments, adding new tasks and so on - therefore the bigger the screen the better...
The first weeks with my X7510 I was missing the hardware buttons - but meanwhile...no more.
The only thing I'm still sad of is the missing support here for my X7500 there are lots of Roms to play with and those were better than the OEM Roms
Nowadays with my X7510 I kept the original T-Mob Rom and added SPB Mobile Shell - I think the device is now very close to my ultimate phone
However - there could be a little bit more memory - maybe I'll try Michy again
Dieter

Pre-purchase questions

Hello everyone!
I was considering purchasing a new TyTN II, and I was offered an Orange-locked TyTN II, brand new, for 280€ (approx. 300$ I think).
Now given such a VERY low price, is there anything I should be wary of? Might it be a stolen phone? One still under contract (and thus illegal to SIM unlock with the tools on XDA)? Am I purchasing a good phone or should I wait for a price cut on the Touch Pro/Omnia? I am looking at an hybrid entertainment-office machine which can last for years to come (I don't want to change it in just two years! My old Nokia is now well into its sixth year), is the TyTN II what I am looking for?
As I'm expected to give an answer in a few hours, I would be tremendously grateful to any who will answer. Thank you!

Assuming you want the slide out keyboard, I would go with a Touch Pro/Raphael. It is, IMHO, a significant upgrade to the TyTN.

emesbe said:
Assuming you want the slide out keyboard, I would go with a Touch Pro/Raphael. It is, IMHO, a significant upgrade to the TyTN.
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Thank you for your answer, emesbe! Yes, the QWERTY keyboard and GPS are a must, as all I do is texting, reading documents and PDF's, sat nav and of course talking. In short, I don't need a multimedia phone -I don't care about MP3's and videos- but I do need a PPC. I was leaning towards a i780, but now I have this TyTN II brand new for the same price.
I'm on a budget, unfortunately, so the Raphael is totally out of my price range: question is, for €260-280, is the locked TyTN II a good bargain?

Um, anyone, please?

maybe look at discount prices for rapheal. btw you didnt mention who offered you this phone

I did check my local prices, and they are in excess of 680€ ($780 I think); the phone has been offered by a colleague's friend who has just finished her contract.

i reckon just go for it at least you can hold a person responsible if there is a problem if you buy online there just emails to be sent

Is it still in factory-sealed packaging? If not it certainly can't be called new
If it is not, it might be hardly-used and still be a good deal.
Can you take it for a test drive first?
Plug it in to a computer, make sure it gets a good connection and can charge and sync.
While it is plugged in, gently move the USB connector up and down and side to side. If it loses its connection or if the the charge LED goes off, the unit has a bad connector.
Make sure the GPS works -- while connected run the QuickGPS app and make sure it can download and install the latest GPS settings.
Make sure you can connect to a WIFI hotspot.
Test the touch screen -- see if you can find any "dead zones" that don't register a touch.
If all seems well, do some research on the Kaiser forum here -- you'll need to become familiar with the tools used to unlock the phone.
Otherwise the price seems reasonable for a locked phone -- a new unlocked one is going for about $500 now.

Ok I got my tilt, which is TyTN II for about $330. Now it might be expensive to get it from UK, but I just want to throw it out there so you might know.
Also, TyTN II is almost out dated. It might be worth to spend that extra money on Raphael.

Personally i own a kaiser and love it but if i were you, i would look into getting a touch pro or touch hd if you can

HTY vs. HTC??

Hi,
I was looking online for an unlocked HTC T4242 Iolite / Cruise 2009 phone and came across this link for a nearly exact copy
http://cgi.ebay.com/HTY-T4242-Windo...ones?hash=item5633d3c7c9&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
Check it out yourself...Google HTY Cell phones.
Any thoughts, experiences, etc? Stay away?
Thanks,
m0

well its running winmo 6.1 & tf2d.. I Would say for 240 american that is a pretty good price for what may be carbon copy..

malloy0 said:
Hi,
I was looking online for an unlocked HTC T4242 Iolite / Cruise 2009 phone and came across this link for a nearly exact copy
http://cgi.ebay.com/HTY-T4242-Windo...ones?hash=item5633d3c7c9&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
Check it out yourself...Google HTY Cell phones.
Any thoughts, experiences, etc? Stay away?
Thanks,
m0
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I have no experience with the imitation, but stay away from any copy
There is no better than the original HTC

orb3000 said:
I have no experience with the imitation, but stay away from any copy
There is no better than the original HTC
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You probably pay a lot of money for a plain brick when you buy this.
I would say stick to HTC. (also saw HTC Diamond clone on internet last week, it was not even running on Windows Mobile).

My 2 cents/opinions. maybe help buyers-beware
cons
+ Internal electronics is different. OE HTC roms r no good for the HTY. (so, who knows where to find rom support specially with 6.5 pop'n up all over the place)
+ came with a Plain Jane WM6.1 English. No TF2d, GPS app, etc.. even though advertised.. Basically you'll have to locate all the apps and troubleshoot to get them to work since the hardware is different.
+ Some optional apps were on the 2g micro sd. but they were in Chinese.
+ Touch Screen/ Digitizer is a little thin and fragile. Seems like its easily creased. Noticeable at an angle in bright light.
+ Strange thing, it comes with what looks like an OE HTC cruise 09 manual. Useless, doesn't apply to the HTY.. why did they bother.. also, came in a generic box.
+ Wifi is weak. 1 bar strenth where my wizard got 3 bars.
+ No Navigation scroll wheel on the HTY like the HTC has. You can spot the difference by the button size. the HTY has a smaller round button than the HTC.
+ GPS fix takes looooooggggg...
+ the hook where you can attach a wrist leash is plastic
+ Basically, don't even consider thinking your getting an HTC Iolite. These are 2 totally different devices even though they look the same.
pros
+ 624Mhz CPU. pretty quick.. snaps and responds promptly navigating through apps
+ came with 2 batteries, headset, case, car and ac power adapters, useless cd and htc manual (those things don't apply to the hty, again why bother and waste materials)
+ Housing is pretty sold. Really not bad quality. (minus the touch screen)..
+ Battery life is good
+ very compact. Doesn't make your pocket bulg
Personally for me, if i knew what i know now i probably would have gotten a like/new used Fuze. The fuze has issues but so does this HTY. It seems more logical to deal with the fuze that has way way way more features and xda dev support at about the same price as that ebay posting. not to mention the awesome vga screen.
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Update: Removed -> "recommend this phone". Learning that there is too much troubleshooting to get it to function they way it should function based on it's specs.

Update..
Internal GPS really sux.. basically useless.. can't get a fix or takes extremely long.. 20+ mins. totally totally impractical..
Horrible screen in sun light. Can't see the screen at all in the car when trying to use the NAVi...
Change'n my mind.. I would not recommend this phone if your intent was to purchase one with internal GPS...
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Update: Found the GPS fix. posted the info here -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=525336&page=10
Still, beware if your thinking of purchasing this thing.. your gunna spend your hard earned money on a brand new item only to have to modify it to get it to work.. hope these posts inform people.

Update on the digitizer
The touch screen/ digitizer doesn't crease easily as i mentioned earlier. I took the phone apart and found out that its just poor quality (IMO). maybe a bad batch, i don't know.. the digitizer still functions great as it should. it just has a few depressions that gives it a wavy look on the reflective edges. really only noticeable at an angle in bright light. not too much of a big deal, but thought people should be aware if they were thinking of getting one of these devices

ms9, you're funny, why get a ****ty phone for 240 USD when you can get a used Fuze for that...
Fuze has better EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

poetryrocksalot said:
ms9, you're funny, why get a ****ty phone for 240 USD when you can get a used Fuze for that...
Fuze has better EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yeah... i know.. didn't do my research.. was in a rush.. didn't even get my hands on a fuze until after i bought the thing.. the fuze is nice.. kicked myself for a min after i held it. whats done is done.. its do'en its job as a phone and gps 4 now..
btw.. i agree this phone is definately not worth 240. i wouldn't get one at that price either.. not going to say how much i found it for.. no need to encourage promote'n it..
hope'n people can learn from what i posted..

Well HTY vs. HTC update...
Like much of the feedback, I did not trust the HTY, so I bought a HTC Touch Cruise 2009 from selectgsm.com and hope, pray that they are reputiable (sp?) and it gets here next week.
Net step...sell my Fuze and my LG Incite to recoup the $450 USD and then wait for cmonex and olipro to work their hard-spl magic, then some great chefs to cook a super fast, stable wm6.5 rom.
Thanks to all and everyone for the advice.
Over and out...
m0

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/top_10_chinese_rip_offs.php
same deals

malloy0 said:
Well HTY vs. HTC update...
Like much of the feedback, I did not trust the HTY, so I bought a HTC Touch Cruise 2009 from selectgsm.com and hope, pray that they are reputiable (sp?) and it gets here next week.
Net step...sell my Fuze and my LG Incite to recoup the $450 USD and then wait for cmonex and olipro to work their hard-spl magic, then some great chefs to cook a super fast, stable wm6.5 rom.
Thanks to all and everyone for the advice.
Over and out...
m0
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Why are you getting rid of Fuze?

Reccomend a Phone thread

Hi folks, you know the drill, my current phone (an HTC Mogul) is getting past it's usefulness and once more I find myself on a hunt to find a phone that has the most of what I do want and the least of what I don't, in other words the best compremise between the device of my dreams and what's actually avaliable.
Further to this I am limited in funds so not only can I not go out and purchase a brand new top of the line model, the device I do end up getting will hopefully last me for a long time (or at least longer then the 1yr I got out of my Mogul).
Perhaps I should start by looking at why my current phone just doesn't do it for me anymore?
1) No wireless - Ever since I flashed it to 6.5 I have had no wifi.
2) No 3.5mm plug - The HTC proprieity adapter hardly works half the time either.
3) OS - 6.5 WiMo flashed is pretty unstable, I regularly have to reset the device because it locks up or just won't work.
4) QVGA - probably the best I can afford, but I do a lot of reading on this and a higher res would be better for my eyes.
5) CDMA - I really need a quadband simcard capable phone.
So what do I want?
1) Wifi, bluetooth, GPS
2) 2mp camera or better
3) 6.5 Wimo native, preferably with duel boot capibility
4) 3.5 or 2.5mm audio output, or HTCusb that actually works!
5) Keyboard if possible (I really like the qwerty thumboard on my Mogul)
6) WVGA or VGA would be nice, but it might be out of my price point.
7) GSM QUADBAND!
Any reccomendations of models would be nice, thankyou

Go for Rhodium!
Definitely the best hardware device out there
If want to spent less money you can try Rapahel or even less (if you find someone who want to sell) Universal

Thanks for the recc, I will check those two out

I agree with ORB you should go for a Rapahel because it has so many roms to flash and it is cheap compared to the latest devices .

DannyFenton said:
I agree with ORB you should go for a
Rapahel because it has so many roms to flash and it is cheap compared to the latest devices .
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Hmm, looking at ebay, the Rhod looks like its about $100 more then the Raph
or $300 for the Touch2 and $210 for the Raph.
At those prices it seems like it would be better just to pay the difference?
Also no one will ship to New Zealand

Yes on that case better go for Rhodium
I have seen ebay sellers who ships to almost any part of the world.
Also have a look on marketplace section, you can find very good deals
Good luck,

UPDATE: I bought myself a HTC Rhodium, very happy with it.
Now, I want to buy my GF a new phone for her birthday. Currenty she is using my ****ty old Blue Angel with WiMo 6.1
She uses the phone everyday (carries it around in her bag), but the only thing she does on it is read. She sometimes sends text messages, but usually not. She hasn't really used any of its other features or installed her own programs or anything (she is a programmer, so she does have the skills to do so).
At the moment I'm tossing up between a HTC Diamond, Diamond 2, Touch HD and another Rhodium. I'm leaning more toward the Diamond1 though. We generally try to avoid spending lots and she's more then happy with the PDA2k so even the diamond is a big upgrade and isn't too expensive.
I use my Rhodium to read alot of comics, but at 480x640 the screen should be highres enough to be an improvement. The other reason I'm leaning toward the Diamond is because of it's small size, and easier for her to carry around.
So, my question: Is there anything wrong with the Diamond that I should consider, and are there any other devices with VGA or better resolution in a similar price range that I should take a look?
Also what is the difference between the Touch Pro and the Diamond (besides the keyboard)?

If you need keyboard go for Raphael, if you don´t need it go for Diamond 2, I buyed one in marketplace for 180US a few months ago.
Or take another Rhodium

Why the recommendations for Rapheal? I am ready to put mine through a wall. The keyboard has gone flaky in the last three months...(delete requires holding down, not just press, P has started to not work, space now triple spaces)
In addition the screen started to separate over the 'x' button about two months back, now I hve that leaky black spot you get when screens break. The control pad at bottom has started to have the plastic cover start to come up.
In the last month the phone has decided to start dropping calls and even losing towers completely. (I have not changed anything on phone in over 6 months) I have rebooted the phone at least 10 times in last three weeks because of screen starting lock up, non-responsive push buttons, and complete lost of tower without attempting to reaquire.
This phone is going tits-up recently and I have had it locked to Edge forever because it will not hold a 3G signal in a very large city.
Not a recommend from me.

Thanks for the reccomendatiom - and the non recccomendation ^_^;

(silly extra text because my message was too short)

Ok, at this stage I am leaning toward the HTC Touch. The touch is fatter, but it looks like it has a lot more memory which has surely got to result in a better user experiance. It's about the same price as a diamond as well - I just have to find someone on here to sell a raphael to me.

I have a moderately worn Tmo Touch Pro 2 I'm selling off on ebay later today. Only doing a 3 day auction starting at $0.99. If interested I'll post a link. Pics are great of the scratches so you can probably grab it for $125-$150.

a link sounds good

Willuknight said:
Ok, at this stage I am leaning toward the HTC Touch. The touch is fatter, but it looks like it has a lot more memory which has surely got to result in a better user experiance. It's about the same price as a diamond as well - I just have to find someone on here to sell a raphael to me.
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Oh how I remember my HTC Touch days. That phone & the Mogul were a nightmare for many of us & we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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Willuknight said:
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200489715435&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

ScandaLeX said:
Oh how I remember my HTC Touch days. That phone & the Mogul were a nightmare for many of us & we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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What where the main issues you had with it?
I've just upgraded from my mogul to the touch2, and the main issue I had with the mogul was the low res and slow processor compared to the touch 2, but overall it was a good phone.

NEED ANDROID PHONE WITH Qwerty keyboard
I'm looking for a new phone to replace my aging G1 but I dont want to give up the real keyboard. The mytouch slide is nice but it's hardware isn't on par with nexus one or htc incredible. The new Samsung Galaxy S Pro with sprint seems promising but not so sure about community support. I love how with my G1 I have so many options, so many great ROMs from Cyanogen and others on XDA. I'm worried that If I go with a samsung I will have better hardware but very few choices when it comes to moded roms. Is there an alternative phone out there with hardware on par with the latest HTC phones that have a slide out keyboard. Any one care to offer thier opinions??

whats your budget?
android or wimo?