Just saw on the Inkino Website (www.inkino.co.uk) that they have a working demo unit of the HTC Touch Cruise at their shop on Tottenham Court Road, London. Will try to check it out today and report back. The actual units cannot be too far away.
This is another great coup for these guys and maintains, IMHO, their position as top-dogs for all things HTC. I suspect that they are going to be very busy showing this unit and taking pre-orders.
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Just saw on the Inkino Website (www.inkino.co.uk) that they have a working demo unit of the HTC Touch Cruise at their shop on Tottenham Court Road, London. Will try to check it out today and report back. The actual units cannot be too far away.
This is another great coup for these guys and maintains, IMHO, their position as top-dogs for all things HTC. I suspect that they are going to be very busy showing this unit and taking pre-orders.
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The website also lists out the full tri-band UMTS frequencies - now that's encouraging. Release dates seem to be coalescing around the last week of January.
The price is in about the middle between (say) in2mobiles and some earlier listed prices in US stores (no stock there now, anyway, and maybe no way now of aquiring it).
Perhaps the fog is starting to lift for English ROM devices outside of the US ...
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The website also lists out the full tri-band UMTS frequencies - now that's encouraging. Release dates seem to be coalescing around the last week of January.
The price is in about the middle between (say) in2mobiles and some earlier listed prices in US stores (no stock there now, anyway, and maybe no way now of aquiring it).
Perhaps the fog is starting to lift for English ROM devices outside of the US ...
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As an addendum, I phoned this retailer about 10:00am UK time Friday. Very pleasant, but can't/won't answer the question about the accessibility of the advertised three UMTS frequency bands ... as is now usual, they promised an immediate email with the answer but didn't.
Two out two refusals to answer the question now.
ianl8888 said:
As an addendum, I phoned this retailer about 10:00am UK time Friday. Very pleasant, but can't/won't answer the question about the accessibility of the advertised three UMTS frequency bands ... as is now usual, they promised an immediate email with the answer but didn't.
Two out two refusals to answer the question now.
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I believe this stems from the S730. It was listed as tri-band UTMS everywhere before its release. Then it came out and was only 2100. Therefore I assume that most retailers are waiting to see for themselves before they advertise it as tri-band.
The Touch Cruise however is listed on HTC's website AND in the downloadable manual from HTC as tri-band. So in my opinion, there is nothing to speculate.
butzchan said:
I believe this stems from the S730. It was listed as tri-band UTMS everywhere before its release. Then it came out and was only 2100. Therefore I assume that most retailers are waiting to see for themselves before they advertise it as tri-band.
The Touch Cruise however is listed on HTC's website AND in the downloadable manual from HTC as tri-band. So in my opinion, there is nothing to speculate.
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On the contrary, a good number of retailers are still advertising tri-band, including Inkino, but won't answer the question when pressed. Oh, and Inkino has a working device there, so it's a 10 second job to interrogate the phone settings for the frequencies, but they would not. This is not speculation, it's the process of establishing a fact. To assume one position or the other is speculation.
If the English ROM device is now limited to 2100Mhz (which is the question), then HTC are unlikely to cripple their sales in the UK and Western Europe (which use only 2100Mhz) by stating this now. because then these consumers cannot connect in countries that use other than 2100Mhz.
Why am I asking the question ? Because if the English ROM on the yet-withheld supply does allow tri-band 3G, then US consumers may purchase from UK retailers and connect to the 850Mhz 3G frequency in the US. This is precisely what Broadcomm's court actions are meant to prevent, at least without the payment of $$$Royalties by Qualcomm.
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On the contrary, a good number of retailers are still advertising tri-band, including Inkino, but won't answer the question when pressed. Oh, and Inkino has a working device there, so it's a 10 second job to interrogate the phone settings for the frequencies, but they would not. This is not speculation, it's the process of establishing a fact. To assume one position or the other is speculation.
If the English ROM device is now limited to 2100Mhz (which is the question), then HTC are unlikely to cripple their sales in the UK and Western Europe (which use only 2100Mhz) by stating this now. because then these consumers cannot connect in countries that use other than 2100Mhz.
Why am I asking the question ? Because if the English ROM on the yet-withheld supply does allow tri-band 3G, then US consumers may purchase from UK retailers and connect to the 850Mhz 3G frequency in the US. This is precisely what Broadcomm's court actions are meant to prevent, at least without the payment of $$$Royalties by Qualcomm.
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Can't you read??? Go to HTC website, where it clearly says that machine is
HSDPA/UMTS: 2100 MHz (Europe), 850/1900 MHz (USA)
HSDPA: Up to 384kbps for upload and 3.6Mbps for download
UMTS: Up to 384kbps for upload and download
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Quad-band 850, 900, 1800, and 1900 MHz (The device will operate on frequencies available from the cellular network)
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How many frequencies can you count for HSDPA/UMTS????
There's no HTC US roms!!! All HTC branded US machines use WWE. Only operators like Cingular or AT&T change something. Plus, if you read forums, you'll see that all Asian Radio roms for HTC machines are fully compatible with european networks.
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Can't you read??? Go to HTC website, where it clearly says that machine is
How many frequencies can you count for HSDPA/UMTS????
There's no HTC US roms!!! All HTC branded US machines use WWE. Only operators like Cingular or AT&T change something. Plus, if you read forums, you'll see that all Asian Radio roms for HTC machines are fully compatible with european networks.
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Of course I've read it ... I'm not suggesting there are ROM's only for the US (that's just your straw man argument). What I am asking is whether the English ROM's in the yet-to-be released retail stock are as advertised, or whether they have been modified to connect only to 2100Mhz or the 1900Mhz Japanese frequencies.
I can both count and read - but you don't seem to have grasped my point. Obviously I will now simply wait and see what actually transpires ... the Qualcomm conviction for patent infringements has had an effect, we just don't know exactly what it is yet. I hope it's minor (although not so minor for the US).
To buy this sort of device you have to be a bit more clever... I would recomend you to stick with Nokia 1110i Thet should fully match you intelegence level
"To buy this sort of device you have to be a bit more clever... I would recomend you to stick with Nokia 1110i Thet should fully match you intelegence level"
Oh dear, oh dear ... just read the US Court judgment of December 31, 2007 entitled 12-31-07 Permanent_Injunction_Order Case SAC 05-467 JVSRNBx)
There are some very sharp people on this forum and unhappily some real dills too. They seem to prefer trying to play the man and not the ball - I suppose it's easier.
Smart guy... Heh
850, 1900, 2100 - 3 frequencies. So I think it should be tri-band. Oh no, sorry, 1+1+1=2. Thats right.
And one more thing. How would you check if one frequency is missing???
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Smart guy... Heh
850, 1900, 2100 - 3 frequencies. So I think it should be tri-band. Oh no, sorry, 1+1+1=2. Thats right.
And one more thing. How would you check if one frequency is missing???
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Yep, definitely easier ...
Try Start>Settings>Phone>Band
and if any of the advertised frequencies is greyed out then the ROM doesn't now support it.
All I'm after is the answer to this simple interrogation on the current yet-to-be released English ROM stock. So far, two retail dealers have avoided answering this question (? too much trouble for 1 sale, I suppose, and perhaps they do not yet want to know the answer anyway) and I can certainly wait.
Hi,
May I just chip in and say that
Try Start>Settings>Phone>Band
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can be grossly inaccurate as I have had handsets where more frequencies than listed (using Start>Settings>Phone>Band
) were supported and I suspect that vice-versa is true too.
With this is mind I would not expect any retailer to be able to give you accurate information even if they looked at the actual machine and read off the value from Start>Settings>Phone>Band.
KillyTheBid said:
Hi,
May I just chip in and say that
can be grossly inaccurate as I have had handsets where more frequencies than listed (using Start>Settings>Phone>Band
) were supported and I suspect that vice-versa is true too.
With this is mind I would not expect any retailer to be able to give you accurate information even if they looked at the actual machine and read off the value from Start>Settings>Phone>Band.
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Thank you for your contribution.
Your point is appreciated, but I wouldn't shell out $$$ on a "suck it and see" basis. I really don't see this as a lottery.
My only experiences with 3G-enabled devices to date showed me that the listed frequencies in Phone>Band were available. I tested these in quite a few countries of differing Mhz and the "auto" setting found them. So I set them manually then to test and logged on OK.
It's interesting that you don't see the Phone>Band frequency listing as a fact. Apart from trial and error, how would you determine exactly which frequencies were actually supported, please ?
1. Although HTC touch lists only
GSM/GPRS/EDGE Tri-band: 900, 1800, 1900
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people on this forum reported it to work on 850.
2. Frequencies in phone settings are just registry values!!!
My TyTN II shows:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
After some regitry tweaking
Any other bright ideas???
Just in case: Polaris lists 4 GSM bands, and 3 UMTS bands in settings.
vasil said:
1. Although HTC touch lists only
people on this forum reported it to work on 850.
2. Frequencies in phone settings are just registry values!!!
My TyTN II shows:
After some regitry tweaking
Any other bright ideas???
Just in case: Polaris lists 4 GSM bands, and 3 UMTS bands in settings.
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Your Polaris "list" - from the Manual printed BEFORE Dec 31st (ie. the date of the Court judgement) or from a device retailed out of stock released by HTC AFTER Dec 31st ?
So far you've avoided this issue through low-level sarcasm. Again, that's likely easier than actually reading the PDF report from the US Court.
GSM/UMTS frequencies in the registry -
HKLM>SOFTWARE>OEM>Phone Setting>BandType
are set from the ROM installation. Simply modifying (ie. editing) them only in their registry values does not alter the frequency that the phone can log onto. If the ROM does not list a frequency on install, you have to modify the ROM, not the registry.
If it were not so, then that Court judgement would have no force in the US.
butzchan said:
The Touch Cruise however is listed on HTC's website AND in the downloadable manual from HTC as tri-band. So in my opinion, there is nothing to speculate.
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There is no downloadable manual for the TC.. I couldn't find it..
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There is no downloadable manual for the TC.. I couldn't find it..
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http://www.htc.com/support/support_htctouchcruise.htm
Still don't understand:
So you do not believe in what HTC says on their website, but you do believe what they say in the device???
You're funny guy.
I've been dealing with this company for some time now. I'm totaly happy.
One more thing:
If product doesn't work according to it's specs, you can get your refund anyway!
And also here in UK we don't give a S"£t about US Courts
ianl8888 said:
http://www.htc.com/support/support_htctouchcruise.htm
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Thx... I'm blind!
vasil said:
Still don't understand:
So you do not believe in what HTC says on their website, but you do believe what they say in the device???
You're funny guy.
I've been dealing with this company for some time now. I'm totaly happy.
One more thing:
If product doesn't work according to it's specs, you can get your refund anyway!
And also here in UK we don't give a S"£t about US Courts
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Well said. This phone is not meant for the US market. Therefore, no reason to disable the 850/1900 radio.
Also, would it be illegal (according to the court decision) for a European traveler/business person to bring their TC to the US on a business/personal trip and access the 3G networks?
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Wish us ATT users can know if it's going to be picked up or the x1 :\.
north american version has passed your ffc fcc? federal communication ...
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Wish us ATT users can know if it's going to be picked up or the x1 :\.
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99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM
AllTheWay said:
99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM
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Well I don't know whether to be happy or said :S and i hope the X1 wont outperform it.
I can only assume, AT&T will need to have their own "uniquely named" device and not the vanilla Touch Pro the rest of the world will enjoy. This in itself will add 6 months to any official release date of the Raphael in North America. I hope I'm wrong.
I will snoop around on my side and report anything to this thread with any positive news.
Lol, I would say they're that bad , however i can imagine them releasing it sometimes in Q4 (October-ish?) or early Q1 of next year.
I thought CDMA version is coming out first for Verizon. or was it for Sprint... I read it somewhere in Engadget or BGR.
this will be called tilt II for at&t. this is a rumor i heard from a friend from at&t wireless side.
Why does the US seem to get this stuff last? I blame it on the carrier cartel that refuses to adopt the mobile phone industry models the rest of the world has.
If the only experience with HTC i had was my wizard, I'd be all over the Raphael. I paid 588USD for the tilt (off-contract) and get the shaft from them. Now, I'm up for a phone upgrade, and I'd really, really like to get my hands on this device, but I don't know if I trust them anymore.
Still LOOKS kickass, though.
AllTheWay said:
99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM
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well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond
Isn't the Raphael/ Touch Pro missing the GSM 850 freq? I thought AT&T uses GSM 850/1900.
Seems like it's made to be a T-mo device. (GSM 900/1800)
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well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond
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That hos nothing to do with it. Verizon, Tmobile, and all the US carriers can pick up the phone. Whether another carrier decides to pick it up or not doesn't mean that ATT wont.
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well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond
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I will prove you wrong in a couple of days.
By your analysis that means the T-Mobile in the USA would have the MDA Vario III which they don't.
AllTheWay said:
I will prove you wrong in a couple of days.
By your analysis that means the T-Mobile in the USA would have the MDA Vario III which they don't.
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i have talked to a certain someone... might not have to wait a couple of days to prove this person wrong...
The Juggler said:
Isn't the Raphael/ Touch Pro missing the GSM 850 freq? I thought AT&T uses GSM 850/1900.
Seems like it's made to be a T-mo device. (GSM 900/1800)
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there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!
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there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!
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I would be VERY surprised if the Raph couldnt be sorted out like this, remember the Hermes didnt have necessary bands for telstra in AU which was eventually sorted with a hack to allow the necessary frequency to be used.
Details details people, if AT&T were going to use it i imagine the bands situation would be trivial, im sure they are going to carry it.
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this will be called tilt II for at&t. this is a rumor i heard from a friend from at&t wireless side.
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Why would they call it a "Tilt"? The Touch Pro's screen doesn't tilt like the Kaiser does it?
lavalamp said:
I can only assume, AT&T will need to have their own "uniquely named" device and not the vanilla Touch Pro the rest of the world will enjoy. This in itself will add 6 months to any official release date of the Raphael in North America. I hope I'm wrong.
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You and I can hope but I'm 98% sure you're right. Trends point to AT&T releasing this sometime next year, as to not disturb the X1 and without the front facing cam. Right now it seems like Sprint is going to get this first as they're getting the Diamond sometime in September.
OK well lets just say in a matter of days we shall see if AT&T WILL be carrying the Raphael..............or not.
Hi,
I made a search on the website and couldn't find anything related to the question abve. I am wondering why HTC is developing two band HSDPA devices as opposed to triband ones? It makes sense to have them world phone and not targeting certain areas!!! anyone can help on this. I sincerely apologize if this was discussed but I couldn't find anything about it. If it has been discussed, I apologize for doubling the effort/.
Thanks,
Gilbert
A reason why - this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
Hi. Many thanks for your reply. I saw the chart but since I am not a techy, are you able to please tell me plain English what this all means? If I get it right, I see comapnies producing devices that are worldwide HSDPA ready but for some reason, HTC has been developing their recent devices to be targetted HSDPA. I know the chart explains the difference in frequency but why can't they cater to all of the bands in one device? Kaiser was worldwide for example. hwat happened apart from the introduction of 1700 band?
Thanks,
Gilbert
it' all about greed!
they want to sell it wholesale to bestbuy or wireless carriers and to make them happy!
Yes I think so. But can you image what a killer phone the HTC HD would be (the new one with a long screen similar to the iphone screen) with quad or tri band hsdpa!! these people at htc are really dumb to think narrow. In my opinion, even if i was living in Asia or Europe and I travel alot I would have a hesitation to buy it when I cannot make use of the technology when I am in USA or Canada. Simply not business friendly.
Gilbert
i lost all interests on touch hd after they annonced with no usa 3g! buy sony x1 !
htc wont give u everything at once! else what they have left to sell you in the future?
I live in Australia and I'm thinking about buying a Touch Pro from USA since it seems cheaper. I was wondering is there anything I have to look out for that might stop it form working here. Eg. Network issues.
I'm thinking about this one
Hi,
The phone in the link operates on the CDMA network, you'll want the GSM version (the one that uses a simcard). It is also network locked and will need to be hacked/unlocked.
Very cheap though...
Thanks
Some of them say A & T service required for some of the features. What does that mean?
you don't really need to "hack" it. just get someone to create your unlock code for you. you can get it here on xda or even ebay. I believe olinex can provide you the unlock code for a price. I can gaurantee that these guys here at xda are very helpful so dont' worry about that too much.
you should think about what band your provider in aus is using.
Good luck!
EDIT: those "features" are ATT specific and you can make those disappear. check the links on "unbloating" your phone. It's pretty annoying but it does not do anything for your phone if you don't use ATT's network. Check out the thread on flashing for beginners. Read it carefully and if you have questions, be very specific.
Thanks for the help. I been using a jasjam (hermes) with a flashed rom but the hermes is in bad condition so thinking about getting a new phone.
Dood, I'm in Aus and also upgraded to Touch Pro from JasJam.
A warning. You will not get Telstra NextG video calls. The touch pro does not operate on Telstra's band. Just in case you were/are a Telstra man...
Also, you should be able to ebay a cheap as new unit in Australia... I've seen many go for under $300.
A brand new phone for less that $300???
What are you searching "HTC touch pro"?
Touch Pro or Fuze in Australia?
Mate, check the 3G/UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA frequencies used by your provider!!!
The TP AND the Fuze will work AS PHONE in almost any GSM network (beside some Asian countries i.e. Japan) since they are 4 band GSM devices. However, using the benefits of high speed data aka 3G you have to check which band your provider is using. AFAIK Telstra is using 850/1900 which matches the ATT US network while t-mobile and the std. TP use 900/2100. IF you are with Telstra get a Fuze and it will work. People here in the US buy the HD (not offered here in the US by ATT) in Australia to operate it in the US network.
Good luck and don't get screwed.
Hello,
I'm a probably future owner of an i897 but I have some questions about the hardware and models variations
I like in Brazil and my 3G carrier use 2100 MHZ (Where I live) and 850 MHz on other states (3g on Roaming). I have an unlimited data plan, but with a max speed of 300 kbps (so far).
I'm looking for the best GSM android phone: Fast processor, huge screen (4" or bigger), big resolution (at least 800 x 480), TV output, Wi-Fi, Internet tethering, GPS. All roads lead to I9000 or i897.
At first I thought choose the i897, because it uses both 850 MHz and 2100 MHz, so I'll have 3g anywhere in Brazil. BUT and you can see my data plan have a speed limit of 300kbps, so I don't know if I'll use the full potential of 3G, at least for now. Eventually I'll upgrade my data plan to a 1 MBPS plan.
I can also get i9000 but it will work only in few states. Probably it work for one year (As I don't intend to travel too much in the next year), but after one year I can change my carrier and some carriers here only use 850 MHZ 3G. So choosing the i9000 I will narrow my future options.
What I trying to ask (or answer) is whether is better to have an i897 with full country 3G BUT with an extremely "locked" firmware of if I should get the i9000 with a better firmware option but with restricted 3G (3G with 70% coverage).
In order to answer that I have other 'sub-questions':
1) Does i897 have the FM radio hardware? Would a future firmware/ROM update enable it?
2) Does i897 GPS works (I recall AT&T Blocking GPS on blackberry phones)
3) I saw some comments (other phones) that some ROMs messed up with 3G band. The 3G frequency is a hardware or software configuration?
4) Some sellers are already selling, here in Brazil, unlocked i897 phones. Is possible to unlock the phone but a ROM update or I'll have to pay for unlock codes?
5) Which other features AT&T decided to lock (Removed from their ROM) on this phone?
6) Is there an I9000 variant with front facing camera?
5) One very important question: Aside from Droid x (which is not GSM) and HTC evo (which also if not a GSM phone) is the Samsung i897/i9000 the best android phone available?
I also thought about getting a Motorola XT720 but it is only US$ 50 cheaper and have a slower processor and no 850 MHZ 3G. Also thought about the HTC Desire (A8183 Australian model that have both 850 and 2100
MHZ 3G) but so far I find the i897 the best option (although I would love having front facing camera that the Desire have).
Any other options?
Thanks
Jose Morais
In answer to your question(s), the phone you want is the best one for you ...
1. No, the i897 is not supporting an FM radio at this time, and I'm not sure if the hardware is present as I refuse to open my phone to look. AT&T's specifications page does not list FM radio as a feature either, but that doesn't mean its not there and disabled.
2. Yes the GPS works, it is spotty for some and Samsung has admitted to there being an issue that will be resolved by an upcomming OTA update.
3. (For WM Phones): It's not so much the ROM as it is the Radio software, which may, or may not, be changed in the ROM. Different versions of the radio software can improve performance for some and worsen it for others. I'm am not sure how the radio software is handled by an Android device, as this is the first one I've owned, but I imagine is is very similar. Just be aware of what you are doing, and how to undo it if something is amiss.
4. There is a thread on this board about unlocking the i897, and as of my last reading yesterday, there is no known way to unlock this phone...yet. There was even a report of someone selling "unlocked" i897 phones on e-bay, which were
later found to be firmly SIM locked. I would advise you read that thread, and be very aware of what you are buying if someone is advertising an unlocked i897.
5. AT&T has blocked (or tried to anyway) non-market apps from installing, and WiFi tethering apps from displaying in the android marketplace. There are work arounds for all of this already.
6. Yes, the are Galaxy S phones with FFC. Not sure if any of them are GSM. Keep in mind that transmitting live video is bandwidth intensive and your plan, and upload speed, may not be robust enough to handle it. On that note, I can find no data that either supports or denies this phone having HSUPA capability which would go a long way towards being able to use a FFC as intended.
7. Your last question is entirely subjective to perspective and intended use.
Were I you I would get the phone that most suits my needs and my HOME network. You may want to wait a bit and see what pans out with this phone.
In Brazil the i897 should not currently be an option you should consider until AT&T has made a definitive decision about unlocking the phones, or a third party solution is possible. The Samsung Galaxy S platform is going to be releases in 110 countries. Brazil being probably one of the bigger cell phone markets, is going to get a variant of the Galaxy S lineup in the near future, you best option will be to wait on a phone like this to be released and then pick it up.
Battlehymn,
Thanks for the answers. I have an expectation when using my phone and now I'm trying to find which phones can fullfill this expectation. That's why sometimes the phone that I (think) want may not be the best for me. I hope i897 will the "the one".
I also think it's the best to think about a phone that will work with 3G on my home state. I897 will work, but as well as i9000. Maybe the best option, as you sugested, is to wait a little to see how i897 works in terms or ROM and unlock.
@rajendra82
Sure. My carrier will start selling the i897 here in few months, but I don't really want to buy it here: An iphone 3GS 16GB brought in a store cost around 3.000 Brazilian reais (around US$ 1,650) while it can be purchased for US$ 400 in the US. I asked a friend of mine to bring me a US phone but I have up to next week to decide which one he should buy.
Thanks
don't buy the captivate if you don't have att you'll be dissapointed because it won't work!
get something that does, if you must get an android device, the nexus 1 with the ATT bands (I think thats what you're looking for?) is you're best bet. they're still available online at places but you are most definitely running out of time
Telstra in Australia run on 850/2100 3G, and I'm pretty sure some networks in Canada do aswell. Keep an eye on on those carriers for a compatible Galaxy S to be released soon.
Major Clod said:
Telstra in Australia run on 850/2100 3G, and I'm pretty sure some networks in Canada do aswell. Keep an eye on on those carriers for a compatible Galaxy S to be released soon.
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I have a friend of mine that will travel to US next on august 13th, so I decide which phone I'll bet before he leaves. I don't think there will be Telstra ou Canada versions of the i9000 by than. Will have to decide about buying I9000, i897 or HTC Desire in the next two weeks...
I ordered a Samsung Galaxy S10e from Amazon that was specifically supposed to be an unlocked T-Mobile refurbished phone, so I figured I would be getting a G970U. When the phone showed up yesterday, it turns out it's a G970F. It has a CSC code of TPA, so it appears it's Panamanian. But, I put my T-Mobile SIM in it and everything seems to be working just fine. I called the T-Mobile software support people, who made a few tweaks so that it's supposed to work on their network now. But, when I looked up the differences in the frequencies/bands that the two different phones support, there ARE some differences. I'm not really sure if this will make any difference in how well it works or not. That's my main concern here. Otherwise, the phone looks like new and the battery is in great shape.
The other differences are that it's a dual-sim phone, which is a nice feature. And then there's the fact that it's got the Exynos 9820 processor instead of the Snapdragon. Not really sure that's an issue or not. I'm not looking to root the phone, so I don't think it makes a lot of difference to me. My main issue is to be able to make/receive calls and use data in various locations, some places where T-Mobile's network isn't as strong or built-out.
I've got 90 days to return the phone, so I'll have plenty of time to check things out, but I'd really like to know if the frequency differences are going to be a problem. The T-Mobile person I was on the phone with didn't think it would, but then again, I don't think she knew much about the international versions of these phones. So I'd like to hear from people who know a lot more about these Samsung phones and the differences between the two versions.
My model # is SM-G970FZKJTPA, my baseband version is G970XX56CTE6, my firmware's CSC code shows as DBT and my active CSC code shows as TPA. Android Version 10 / SDK29
Any advice would be appreciated and TIA.
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I ordered a Samsung Galaxy S10e from Amazon that was specifically supposed to be an unlocked T-Mobile refurbished phone, so I figured I would be getting a G970U. When the phone showed up yesterday, it turns out it's a G970F. It has a CSC code of TPA, so it appears it's Panamanian. But, I put my T-Mobile SIM in it and everything seems to be working just fine. I called the T-Mobile software support people, who made a few tweaks so that it's supposed to work on their network now. But, when I looked up the differences in the frequencies/bands that the two different phones support, there ARE some differences. I'm not really sure if this will make any difference in how well it works or not. That's my main concern here. Otherwise, the phone looks like new and the battery is in great shape.
The other differences are that it's a dual-sim phone, which is a nice feature. And then there's the fact that it's got the Exynos 9820 processor instead of the Snapdragon. Not really sure that's an issue or not. I'm not looking to root the phone, so I don't think it makes a lot of difference to me. My main issue is to be able to make/receive calls and use data in various locations, some places where T-Mobile's network isn't as strong or built-out.
I've got 90 days to return the phone, so I'll have plenty of time to check things out, but I'd really like to know if the frequency differences are going to be a problem. The T-Mobile person I was on the phone with didn't think it would, but then again, I don't think she knew much about the international versions of these phones. So I'd like to hear from people who know a lot more about these Samsung phones and the differences between the two versions.
My model # is SM-G970FZKJTPA, my baseband version is G970XX56CTE6, my firmware's CSC code shows as DBT and my active CSC code shows as TPA. Android Version 10 / SDK29
Any advice would be appreciated and TIA.
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I have the SM-G970U and I am wishing I had the G970F. As far as I can see there is not much difference in the frequency bands. From the G970U for T-Mobile to the G970F there's a few bands difference. Also I believe you have the G970U/DS for Dual Sim, which is from Asia (India, Singapore). You can see the differences here.....ok nm, I can't post links. So google, "techwalls.c0m" and "G970 differences". You should see the site.
Hope that helps, best of luck!
xlivexevilx said:
I have the SM-G970U and I am wishing I had the G970F. As far as I can see there is not much difference in the frequency bands. From the G970U for T-Mobile to the G970F there's a few bands difference. Also I believe you have the G970U/DS for Dual Sim, which is from Asia (India, Singapore). You can see the differences here.....ok nm, I can't post links. So google, "techwalls.c0m" and "G970 differences". You should see the site.
Hope that helps, best of luck!
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Thanks for the reply. I had seen that site and the differences in bands and that's what made me ask if anyone has seen any difference in the two versions of the phone. Yes, I have either the dual sim version or the hybrid SIM, I'm not really sure since I can't find my exact model on that site. I can see that the phone was made in China and its CSC country is Panama. I can put either 2 SIM cards in the phone or one SIM card and an SD storage card (which is how I have it set up). The full model # is SM-G970FZKJTPA and that model isn't listed on the website that shows what frequencies each model can access. I was on the phone with a T-Mobile tech person when I was setting it up and she had me make a few changes to be sure I was using T-Mobile's LTE network, but I don't think she really knew much about what frequency bands I might need and not have. That's why I asked here.
I'm planning on going to my parents' next week, where T-Mobile's service isn't that great, so I'm hoping that will be a really good test for this phone. Otherwise, it seems to be working just fine for me, although it's hard for me to know if I'm getting full access in the city, where all the bands my phone has are probably supported. Maybe I should look for an app that can tell me what frequencies are available and whether my phone is able to connect, hmmmm. Anybody know of a good app like that?
Thanks so much for the reply.
I downloaded an app called Samsung Band Selection so that I could see what bands my phone actually has. When I compare the bands/frequencies that the app shows I have to what bands T-Mobile has, it looks like I'm missing two bands. One is the 4G FDD LTE band of B71(600MHz). The other band I'm missing is the 4G TDD LTE band of B46(5200). Does anyone know what issues there might be if this phone doesn't have the capability to connect to those two bands?
If you're planning on using the S10e phone on T-Mobile in the USA, get a G970U.
Just look at users in the US Samsung Community forum complaining about issues about their international G970F that G970U owners do not have, that have no immediate resolution.
The T-Mobile S10e models have a model number that end with TMB. I use a pre-owned, T-Mobile carrier-unlocked, Samsung Galaxy S10e.
Just my $0.02
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Nate2 said:
If you're planning on using the S10e phone on T-Mobile in the USA, get a G970U.
Just look at users in the US Samsung Community forum complaining about issues about their international G970F that G970U owners do not have, that have no immediate resolution.
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I tried to find threads from users of the G970F to see if they were having problems, but didn't find much here. Maybe I don't know where to look, but so far, I'm having zero problems with this phone. Even in an area where T-Mobile doesn't have a great presence, my reception and data access was fine. I've been on the phone with T-Mobile representatives, who had me do a little tweaking when I first got the phone and I've talked to them about the 2 bandwidths that I'm missing on this phone and I don't think that's going to be a problem.
I'll check again to see if I can search out the problems you're talking about, but this phone seems to be working just fine. If I'm missing something, please point me to the right posts, though.
Thanks for the reply.
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I tried to find threads from users of the G970F to see if they were having problems, but didn't find much here.
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See https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-S10/bd-p/Gethelp-GalaxyS10 and search for G970F or the international models.
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See https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-S10/bd-p/Gethelp-GalaxyS10 and search for G970F or the international models.
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Yeah, I went there after re-reading your last message. When I search for G970F, I find 4 threads which I don't think are going to be problems for me. Unfortunately, when I try to search for "international S10e", the search brings up hundreds of threads that have "internal" in it, rather than "international", so I'm unable to search for just my model. Apparently, their search algorithm isn't the greatest. It sounded like the biggest problem might be the fingerprint sensor not working so well after a recent upgrade. I don't plan on using the fingerprint sensor and it was just one person with the problem, so I don't know how widespread that might be.
Thanks again for the reply.
The G970U has an FM Radio that is enabled. I have verified that it works:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I hear the G970F either doesn't have it, or it is disabled.
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I saw that difference online, as well. I'm not really sure where to look in order to verify, but from what little I've looked, I don't think it has the FM radio receiver. Not that I have a need for it, but someone else might, so always good to point that out, thanks. I would use the dual-sim capability more than an FM radio, so I'm willing to live without built-in radio. If you tell me where to look, I will verify for sure for others who might be interested.
My SM-G970UZBATMB (T-Mobile s10e) is on Build QP1A.190711.020.G970USQS4DTF6 now (7/2020).
Did your G970F get that update too?
See:
1. https://doc.samsungmobile.com/SM-G970U/TMB/doc.html
2. https://www.t-mobile.com/support/de...axy-s10e/software-updates-samsung-galaxy-s10e
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Mine updated a week or so ago to Build QP1A.190711.020.G970FXXS7CTG1. My Baseband version is now G970FXXS7CTF3.