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I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!
Seriously... Don't bother!
LOL...it's that bad?
Can you explain why?
You will miss your qwerty. I don't know your Blue Angel, But my TC (i think all PocketPCs) has a delay when somebody calls you. Your phone will ring/vibrate after the one who calls you hears the first ring. So if somebody just gives you a call with one ring (bip) you won't hear it! Is it the same in your case, or mine is special? Maybe somebody else with TC can confirm/infirm this...
Yea, mine sort of have that sort of dealy.
I don't use my QWERTY keyboard anyway so that's not a problem.
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Can you explain why?
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Just everything about it...
The build quality is terrible. Feels like a new hobbyist threw it together in 5 mins.
It seriously underperforms compared to my Old SE P990i and older XDA's
The modifications o2 have made to the software are rubbish.
I'm miffed I didn't hold out for the SE X1i
^ In your opinion, yes its not perfect, the screen is less than ideal but the build quality is great I think. Much better than my old SE P series phone which used to creak whenever squeezed etc and the flush screen is better than orbit 1
But I would hold out for the Diamond
I want the built in GPS, and the Diamond prices ae too much for what it is...
Any other decent HTCs with built in GPS?
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I currently have a Blue Angel and I'm considering upgrading to an Orbit 2.
How would the performance compare between the 2? They're both 400MHz, but I just wondered how the Qualcomm is compared to the XScale?
Apart from the video driver issue, are there any other problems with it? I'd mainly be usig it for a phone, and running Tomtom.
Thanks!
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I've just switched from a Hermes/Tytn to the Orbit2. HardSPL'd it and installed the WM6.1 that's been floating about here and installed TomTom.
Losing the keyboard is a bit annoying (on screen is usable, but nowhere near as good) - but I realized I very rarely typed anything and smaller sized massively outweighs it.
GPS works very well - especially as Quick GPS which really does work.
Downsides:
Lost keyboard.
Upsides:
GPS - now just not having to lug around and charge my BT GPS module, but now much faster and lets me do all manner of stuff (geo-tag photos with a reg tweak), GPS trackers allowing me to see where I've been in google maps blah blah.
Much better camera - not so much the 2M -> 3M change - but AUTOFOCUS.
SMALLER - now it's not a small phone, but it's not an f'in brick like the last one.
No real difference noticed between the processors. Latest 6.1 I put on my Hermes made it lovely and snappy - and performs exactly the same on the Polaris. Only reservation I've got with the polaris is the screen res (i.e. same old rubbish). Not entirely convinced Hi-res WM is much better though after playign with colleagues PDAs - I've got an ipod touch and THAT is what i'd want somehow wedged into my phone..
In summary, if you want a phone now, I'd definitely get the XDA. If you can wait maybe see how Diamond and 3G iPhone stack up.
#edit - and build quality on my XDA (at least) is perfect. Nice solid feeling thing, love the slightly rubberized case.
Thanks very much for your opinion...I think I might just go with the Orbit 2 after all...a VGA screen would be nice, but I'm happy enough to have the standard one...and it's a little smaller than my BLue Angel so that's always a benefit.
Seriously this is an outstanding device. Software is software and any issues can 99% of the time be sorted with it and normally are, especially when you browse around these forums. Also bare in mind that all these devices now use windows mobile so I don't understand why someone would fault the Orbit 2 over another windows mobile device because of the software it comes with.....anyway the hardware itself is exceptional, I've posted a mini review if you look through my post history and there's plenty of in-depth reviews out there.
Losing the keyboard is a good thing in my opinion. A keyboard isn't necessary, its just as easy (if not easier) to use the software input (my personal preference is a T9 style pad that learns words and is very quick to use with just one hand like a normal phone) and obviously you save on weight and bulk.
The Orbit 2 looks great, is extremely responsive and comfortable to use and in my opinion is the best windows mobile device availible at this time.
Quick edit! - regarding the SW, the rom that the O2 Orbit 2 comes with is actually fine anyway, i've never encountered any issues with it - it would be nice to have the threaded SMS that 6.1 has but aside from that its fine and works great. Cheers!
SOunds like you're pretty damn happy with it then
So the 200MHz processor isn't an issue? Still responds well? Thing like TOmtom run well?
The Orbit 2 has a 400MHz CPU, it was the original Orbit that had 200 -it also has twice the amount of memory. TomTom was perfectly useable on the original Orbit but it noticeably runs smoother on the Orbit 2 - The Orbit 2 is a lot better at managing multiple tasks at the same time.
I was in two minds before upgrading becasue I had the original Orbit and wasn't sure if I'd get my money's worth. I was going to send it back if I wasn't happy with it. I'm more than happy with it though as you can tell! its a great device. You've always got that 14 day cooling period with O2 anyway so you may as well give it a go for yourself.
doh...you're right...I was thinking of the original Orbit.
No 14 day cooling off for me..I'm in Australia so the only way to get at a decent price is eBay.
I think I've been convinced to get the Orbit 2...just a pity it doesn't have VGA...and the diamond will probably be a fair amount more than the Orbit 2
Actually a the Diamond will be cheaper then the Polaris/Orbit2... But my oppinion is that the VGA is too much on a 2.8" screen...
The Orbit 2 is a damn good toy... after tuning the cache and graphic settings..speed was even better than before..
also gps works great...a lot of stuff in a small little case...
I am also happy with my orbit 2, copilot in mo is better then tomtom i have both installed.
I like golive's interface and extra settings plus the website for tracking is a good feature.
The Software available is none stop from here and other sources, unlike the iphone i had that you could only load decentish software if you hacked it..
a couple of minor gripes, the screen is a little shiny for sunny day use and the camera could be alot better.
apart from that i am very happy with it, let hops the diamond touch flo 3d becomes available then that will make this device look great.
the hsdpa speed is great when in the right areas, 50k download speed from my laptop...
the gps seems acurate enough, fast on a warm start as well.
its performance could be a little better but overall its very good.
I would install opera mini as i have found this much better then ie and opera mobile for day to day use.
as for the missing keyboard, try touchpal or the diamond keyboards, also make sure you adjust the sensivity of the screen do a search on here, i think the keyboard is great been software as you can load loads of different types and type quicker with the stylus on some over a flip out keyboard.
the flip out keyboard types can be a little thicker as well you cannot replace or remap keys like a software keyboard so there are plus's and minus's to both concepts...
if you type alot then get a bluetooth keyboard, or a laptop.....
i don't think you will b unhappy with your purchase...
Actually imho any HTC device when just introduced will very rarely be upto my expectation and initially i am always dissapointed,for the first few days,its just a matter of customizing(a heart felt thanks to this forum for teaching us how too) to our personal choice and then i just can't seem to live without them.When i took the Cruise i returned it the next day,very dissapointed with the handset,nothing it could do(and in the factory state it could'nt domuch)was enough,I thought that my Kaiser was far better,then after going through the Cruise forum went and picked it up again,customized it and now wonder how did I ever think negatively abbout this handset,I just love it the feel of it in my hand and also the perfomance,ended up keeping both the Kaiser and Cruise without regrets.
Hi all,
I thought it would be good to have a thread that compares Touch Pro to Hermes.
For those who have a Touch Pro and have had a Hermes please share with us your thoughts on speed, use of keyboard, reception, battery and anything else you care to mention.
Well, there's way more RAM/ROM. The Raphael also has GPS, 5 row keyboard, VGA 2.8 screen, and a much better camera. There's a lot more but that's just the giss of things.
Does the faster processor and more memory actually translate into better performance in reality?
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Does the faster processor and more memory actually translate into better performance in reality?
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Definitely, much better performance, especially coming from a Hermes. The numbers aren't just numbers, they represent qualities of the hardware
i tried the tilt and honestly even with more ram and rom didnt notice a huge difference
has anyone tried out pocketcm on a touch pro yet? interested in how that runs with skyfire and a few other things at the same time
From what i've heard, Skyfire doesn't run well with the phone all in all. You'll notice the RAM/ROM difference when you have more things open in the background.
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From what i've heard, Skyfire doesn't run well with the phone all in all. You'll notice the RAM/ROM difference when you have more things open in the background.
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Yeah, that's what I've heard... Someone once told me it only displays on half screen if you try to input text, or if you switch from profile to landscape view.
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Yeah, that's what I've heard... Someone once told me it only displays on half screen if you try to input text, or if you switch from profile to landscape view.
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LOL, well guess who i heard all of this off of..i wonder?
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Yeah, that's what I've heard... Someone once told me it only displays on half screen if you try to input text, or if you switch from profile to landscape view.
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no no he solved that problem
if you start it in landscape its fine
but if you slide it either way while its running it messes up
im just hoping a vga version comes out by the time the phone is out
but he said it still looks great on the screen
but ya on my 8525 just having wmp open and anything else stutters im gona love the new one
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Well, there's way more RAM/ROM. The Raphael also has GPS, 5 row keyboard, VGA 2.8 screen, and a much better camera. There's a lot more but that's just the giss of things.
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Mrjasjam said:
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More memory, compared to the Mogul, will be the biggest factor. TouchFlo probably hurts speed some
Well I've got them both fully loaded with my usual stuff at the moment.
Hermes - 20MB RAM, 45MB Storage (most apps installed on card, would be about 10MB tops) free
Diamond - 135MB RAM, 222MB Storage free.
So no more constantly shifting apps & files to the card to keep memory clear, programs should hopefully stay loaded instead of being auo closed to free memory.
The screen, as expected is in a totally different league. Anyone who says VGA doesn't matter on such a small screen either has never used one, or has poor eyesight.
Size-wise I was worried about it being bigger than the Diamond, but fact is, it's still 35% smaller than the Hermes, so feels great in both hand and pocket. It's a little lighter but that's not too noticable. It feels a lot more solid, too.
Even after 2 years of tweaking, customising, and getting the Hermes to meet my needs as much as I can, the Touch Pro still feels a whole lot more polished and professional, even with the barely-tweaked base ROM.
Battery-wise, it's too early to tell. Ive barely had it 24 hours, but after a morning of texting, email, wifi, 3G, and an hour or so of GPS, 6 hous later it looks like I'm down to about 2/3. I wish this thing had proper battery percentages, though.
Only current issues:
-I need to find out how to turn that damn autocorrect bar off. Checked every option I can find. Time to go forum searching (hear that, any reading noobs? This forum has SEARCH!)
-Find a way to replace the scrollwheel.
Absolutely a worth upgrade though, and so far, it's everything I thought it would be.
Didnt know what was gonna be next on the purchase list but I skipped the Kaiser since I couldnt justify another LARGE purchase after a years worth of Hermes, Raph is definatly on the cards when i get home (23rd August) so am glad somebody made this thread
Count me in too. I've had the Wizard and Hermes, but skipped the Kaiser. The VGA screen alone should be worth the upgrade for us!
I had all sorts problems trying to view facebook on opera mobile on the Hermes - tried several new betas of opera 9 as they came out but never did have any luck. It kept either crashing completely or coming up with out of memory errors. In the end I gave up and went to opera mini.
No such issues with the Touch Pro though, opera mobile runs very smoothly on it.
I would rather compare Raphael with Kaiser.
I owns TYTN and Kaiser so do not have plan or budget to upgrade it at the pricing peak. You know wm7 and android mobile are coming out in the end of next year so..I love raphael a lot but might just wait for a reasonable price.
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Only current issues:
-I need to find out how to turn that damn autocorrect bar off. Checked every option I can find. Time to go forum searching (hear that, any reading noobs? This forum has SEARCH!)
-Find a way to replace the scrollwheel.
Absolutely a worth upgrade though, and so far, it's everything I thought it would be.
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Same issues and impressions here, + I still need to get used to lack of button and Touchflo 3D instead. It's sometimes confusing, like when using the WM background that eventually need a stylus.
-I need to find out how to turn that damn autocorrect bar off. Checked every option I can find. Time to go forum searching (hear that, any reading noobs? This forum has SEARCH!)
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I turned it off by using the on-screen keyboard, which has a button for "ABC/T9". Switch it to ABC and the T9 predictive text (autocorrect) is turned off. Worked a treat for me. I (accidentally) found this option early on, so I don't know if there's another way of doing it (there probably is).
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I turned it off by using the on-screen keyboard, which has a button for "ABC/T9". Switch it to ABC and the T9 predictive text (autocorrect) is turned off. Worked a treat for me. I (accidentally) found this option early on, so I don't know if there's another way of doing it (there probably is).
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Well I spent about an hour poking around in the registry when I accidentally found it too. Thanks for putting the info up for everyone else, too.
Who the hell thought that POS was a good idea anyway? It's the worst thing I've ever seen on a Windows Mobile device, and I've seen some real crud.
For those who have a Touch Pro and have had a Hermes please share with us your thoughts on speed, use of keyboard, reception, battery and anything else you care to mention.
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I come from an (Orange SPV M3100) TyTN (Hermes) to a (HTC) Touch Pro (Raphael), and so far I'd say just about everything about the phone is better:
- Size: The Raphael is smaller; when compared side by side it doesn't look like by a lot, but it's very noticeable in the hand and in the pocket.
- Weight: The Raphael felt slightly heavier in my hand than the Hermes, but to me this is nothing bad (I'd argue it feels 'better' in the hand, combined with the smaller size).
- General feel: It sits better in the hand hand the Hermes (size playing in again).
- Look: TouchFLO3D looks sweet.
- Speed: Generally faster, overall no complaints (TF3D sometimes is a bit sluggish, for no apparent reason, haven't tracked it down or done any troubleshooting, it's only happened twice).
- Battery: A bit early for me to compare, I'd say at least as good. The Hermes didn't have GPS of course.
- Reception seem about the same for me.
- Keyboard: Took a little getting used to (buttons are a little smaller and feel a little different), but once you are, it's great. Five rows and a near-full QWERTY keyboard helps a lot too. The spring loading is totally awesome
- Input methods: The on-screen keyboard options are also very good and a lot better than the on-screen options on the Hermes.
- Touch: The phone is generally much better designed for using your fingers on the screen. This has a lot to do with it not being recessed into the case. This combined with better on-screen input methods means I'm using the screen without the stylus a lot more, which again means I'm able to operate it one-handed better than the Hermes. A big plus.
- Screen: Well, what can I say. The VGA screen is just brilliant.
That's all good, right? Yep, so far, so good, but hey, I've only had it a few days
The most annoying thing for me was the backlight not coming fully on when attempting to unlock the screen - this made the screen impossible to read outdoors in almost any kind of light when trying to unlock. I'm using S2U2 which does what I want and fits my usage pattern (set it up to lock on backlight off and on, and I've always been in the habit of pressing the power button to turn of the screen when finishing anything).
Edit: I stand corrected in that the backlight is adjustable for when the device is locked: Start -> Settings -> Power -> Backlight
The second most annoying thing is that since using it one-handed a lot more than the Hermes, it can be tricky to hit the correct buttons/areas that are close to the screen edges with your fingers - including the on-screen keyboards. Sometimes random stuff happens as a result of such attempts
Another thing is the auto correction. The auto correct feature of the Raphael is T9 predictive text. For my usage, which means using a QWERTY keyboard (slide-out or on-screen), T9 makes absolutely no sense (if you use on-screen phone keypad then I can see that it might be useful, as on 'normal' phones, but when using a keyboard it needs to work differently). The Hermes had a (limited) sort of auto correction, but the way it worked seemed to make more sense to me. Don't get me wrong, it could be improved a lot.
I do miss an "OK" button on the slide-out keyboard to confirm/close applications without having to press the screen. For that matter, the "OK" button on the front of the Hermes was useful too, although with the Raphael you're clearly meant to operate it using the fingers on the screen. The only tricky bit is that "OK" is in the top right corner, making it a bit hard to hit (correctly) with your fingers.
The reviews on the Fuze are pretty good. And despite the fact that I loathe the side sliders, this one might make a believer out of me. Are any of you experienced 750 users who have had any length of time with the Fuze? If so can you give us some pros and cons in comparison with the 750? Thanks
Treo 750 Users
Yea, I've been using a Treo 750 for over two years and loved it but as you know, it is under powered by now day standards. The Fuze was a big step and really was going to buy the Epix for the keyboard but took the jump to the fuze. Not happy with it till I flashed the ROM and updated to NET 3.5. Now getting really good with the small keyboard I must say it rocks. I used SPB Shell with SPB Diary for keeping up with life so waiting on that void to be filled yet and it will as this phone is getting the attention. Nice phone
Dan
I just upgraded to the Fuze. Also flashed a few ROMs almost right away and the ATT ROM is slow and has problems (no HSDPA active only 3G) so the flash is pretty much a mandatory step. I am still adjusting to the Fuze. I like the TouchFlo interface, sometimes, but then at other times, I've found it difficult to quickly get to where I want. I've noticed that it's harder to make calls from the car due to not having the keyboard on the front and not being able to go to search for a name to call directly from TouchFlo. Similar problem with the e-mail Inbox. Although TouchFlo gives me a preview of e-mails, to get to my inbox is an extra step and I'm still adjusting. There is a new ROM that does not include TouchFlo by default so I might try that. Also, some ROMs have been cooked with software called "SecondToday" which allows to flip from TouchFlo to a 3rd Party Today screen. I've also found the short length of the stylus to be a little bit annoying - the length of the one on the Treo was just right for me . . .
The phone has a lot more RAM and the display is nice. I wish the display was larger and despite the faster CPU, it doesn't feel as fast as I'd expected. I will keep using it for at least a couple more weeks before deciding if its worth the upgrade. I've also considered the EPIX and I guess that would be my fallback since it has more RAM, better CPU and better display than the 750 in a comparable format.
I haven't tried streaming video yet although I imagine it would be much better on the Fuze. Also, some nice software available on the Fuze that helps.
Andrew
Mine's going back to the store.
I don't like the keyboard, its just too small for a slideout keyboard. The buttons are poorly located and just not intuitive.
The screen is nice but feels small due to the resolution.
The lack of programmable buttons is a big minus.
And the TouchFlo is next to useless.
I have been pretty satisfied with my Hermes (had it just about 2 years now!)
I am wondering for those that also came from that device or from a Kaiser, how do you like the Touch Pro in comparison? I'm eligible for an upgrade but don't know if this is the phone to get or not....i thought it was, but have been reading some less than great threads so i just wanted some comments from people who went through a comparable situation. Thanks!
it was the best move i ever made, only thing is the bat life could be better.
After the tweaks, pretty happy.
Only issue(s) I have remaining are:
Voice Command/Bluetooth...If incoming announcements are on, the phone
sort of rings once, sort of announces, but when you answer, the other party
can hear you, but you cannot hear them, you have to switch the call to the
phone, power off the headset, and power it back on.
GPS slow. GPS is a little quirky at times. Once in a while it fails to lock, but
if you run the HTC test tool for the GPS, it fires right up.
Battery isn't an issue for me, I'm one of those if it is below 2 bars, it goes
on the charger, and, sometimes I use a remote control program because I have
a friend that would rather text than talk on the phone, so it is easier than using the keyboard or stylus to send SMS.
Touchflo3D could use a little tweaking, which has been done, and looks like it is getting better and better.
I don't "play games/videos/MP3s" on my phone, so I can't help you on that
part, but the screen is improved, keyboard is improved, camera is MUCH
faster.
About the only thing I miss is the tilt for the screen.
I would say the main thing to keep in mind is the TouchPro isn't really an upgrade to the Hermes or Kaiser. Its a whole new style of phone that takes some getting used to. The main similarity is of course the keyboard. The biggest change is the lack of hardware buttons. Gone are the softkeys, you now have to touch the screen. Gone is the messaging & IE buttons. The worst part is the messaging button, you now cannot just keep clicking this button to scroll through all your email/sms/mms accounts. There is no longer a dedicated start menu button, you have to touch the screen to launch the start menu. Its been replaced with a "home" button, which to me is useless. As on the old phones I could hit start 2x and go home. Gone is the scroll wheel on the side. Its been replaced with 2 volume buttons, which I never use because I keep my phone on maximum volume. There is no dedicated camera button. There is no dedicated Comm Manager button.
So personally I hate to see the iPhone trend influencing HTC phone designs. I like buttons and need buttons. This phone takes some getting used to. It is a good phone still, but could be so much better with more buttons.
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it was the best move i ever made, only thing is the bat life could be better.
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I agree. I think the VGA screen brings a real revolution to mobile devices. It's just superior in so many ways to the old displays that I definitely never ever want a device without VGA again.
The biggest minus for me is the faulty GPS implementation. But I still hope that it's not a hardware issue and that it can an will be fixed by some xda-dev sooner or later.
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So personally I hate to see the iPhone trend influencing HTC phone designs. I like buttons and need buttons. This phone takes some getting used to. It is a good phone still, but could be so much better with more buttons.
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That's true! The home button is extremely useless and I also miss the extra buttons very much. In the first days/weeks it felt like a step backwards to me because where in the past I just had to push an hardware button I now had to push a software butten in best case or even had to navigate somewhere before I could push some softbutton.
But I got used to it and managed to reconfigure the device so that all important functions are now just one (soft)-click away.
i love the device, but i miss the tilt screen... :
and i wish there were more buttons to assign to my own preferences (yes i know there are tools, but it's not as good as with the 'real' buttons...)
i love that the flat screen - you can touch things in the edges very easy now
all in all - i don't regret the upgrade
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I agree. I think the VGA screen brings a real revolution to mobile devices. It's just superior in so many ways to the old displays that I definitely never ever want a device without VGA again.
The biggest minus for me is the faulty GPS implementation. But I still hope that it's not a hardware issue and that it can an will be fixed by some xda-dev sooner or later.
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Da_G is working on such a fix right now. He's using ported GPS drivers from the Blackstone, and it appears to make quite a difference.
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Da_G is working on such a fix right now. He's using ported GPS drivers from the Blackstone, and it appears to make quite a difference.
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Great news, thanks for letting me know!
Is there already some thread about his attempts? Or is it currently in the "private beta testing" stage?
I upgraded from the Tilt.
Day1 = I wanted my Tilt back
Missed Tilt Scree
GPS SLOW
Really missed all the bottuns
After a couple of weeks (and of course a cooked ROM) I have to admit I am really happy I upgraded. As others stated the screen resolution is great. Performance seems to be better as well. I still have some gripes ( fingerprint magnet, small keyboard) but I think overall the improvements outweigh the issues. My advise would be to go for it but also make sure you give it time before you judge. If I had to make a return decision in 24 hours I most likely would have returned it for the Tilt. A week or two later and you would have to pry my Fuze out of my cold dead hands!
I want the raphael hardware in a kaiser body.
I think that pretty much sums up my feelings
DeepThought: currently testing out the ported blackstone drivers in my ROM. I'd make cabs but unfortunately windows mobile is paranoid so wont load them They have to be cooked into a ROM for the moment. I'm in the process of uploading the OEM/SYS/ROM from my latest build so chefs can see the changes I made and yoink it if it works.. 40 minutes left on that upload!
I consider it the best phone I've owned if you require a keyboard.
It feels better in the hand than the Kaiser did. I love the flush screen so you can touch edges easily (I missed that after having the Vogue on Sprint). The VGA screen is great.
I don't really miss the hardware buttons. I used a Vogue and it had less buttons than the TP has. On the Kaiser, I didn't really use them anyway. I just use the programs tab in TF3D. I replaced the shortcuts or the PTT button (on the ATT Fuze), so now a short press launches the Comm Manager (to turn on WiFi) and a long press launches the camera.
I haven't really had any GPS issues. It doesn't get a fix indoors usually, where my Kaiser did. It takes a little longer to get a fix outside, and depending on the app I'm using I might have to use the HTC GPS Tool first. I don't have much lag.
I don't really need a hardware keyboard...its nice to have, but I don't do much typing on it and I find myself using the soft keyboard more rather than pulling out the other one. Since the Touch HD (Blackstone) looks thinner, if ATT ever got that phone, I think that might be the ultimate for me since I would rather have a thin device rather than a hardware keyboard.
Not that these things haven't been brought up already but this is my opinion. First off I am happy to have upgraded to the Raphael from the Kaiser. Things that lived up to or exceeded my expectations are the screen, capacitive touch lower region, and TF3D to name a few. The things that need to be worked out are battery life and gps. To a great extent, Lumos and Touchlock Pro have extended my battery life tremendously, but it is still not on par with my Tilt. My major gripe is GPS. I drove around for over an hour with the phone on my lap in clear skies and never locked onto satellites. That is horrible. I am very eager to see what Da_G is cooking up on this front. MY MAJOR GRIPE is fit and finish related. The battery cover for my Fuze is loose and I do not care for the shiny multi-angled design. I am going to buy the regular Touch Pro cover as soon as someone puts up a picture that matches the description. I had the Tilt for over a year and it had excellent design and build. I think they should have carried that over to the Fuze.
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Great news, thanks for letting me know!
Is there already some thread about his attempts? Or is it currently in the "private beta testing" stage?
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The thread is actually about fixing MSVC, but he mentions the GPS drivers also.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=445204
I also posted a cab in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426433&page=17
But it doesnt work due to the same driver signing issues with the MSVC fix..
Loving my Fuze, I upgraded from the Tilt. Only concern is the repeatedly mentioned GPS issue which I'm glad to hear that Da_G is working on.
Seems like most everyone is happier with the TP, even if there are still a few things to be desired...i know i too will miss some of the buttons, but that screen does sound delicious
I would bet that all the kinks will get knocked out entirely by early next year and it'll be running like a whole new phone
AT&T Tilt -> HTC Fuze
Best switch ever!! I love everything about the fuze except that its' enter button is too big and it's del button is a bit small =/ I got used to it though.
After proudly using most of the AT&T/Cingular/AT&T HTC devices (Wallaby->Blue Angel->Wizard->Hermes->Kaiser->Raphael), this has been the most exciting upgrade.
The VGA screen is an amazing change. I miss some of the hardware buttons, but the flat touch screen is helping the TouchFlo interface wean me off of the buttons. I also do not miss the tilting screen as much as I thought I would. I do miss not having the scroll wheel on the side, but I am getting used to touch ring.
Performance on the stock ROM was disappointing. I was planning on running the stock ROM for a while before loading a cooked ROM, but after one day, I could not take it anymore. I am now running NATF's 2.2 ROM, and I could not be happier.
So far, I have inspired three upgrades from the Tilt to the Fuze among co-workers.
from a beetle to a Porshe
Raphael is way better than hermes. dome many changes to registry, antena, touchflo 3d, and performance ugrades, to have it running great.
I have been very happy with the HTC Universal over the last 5 years.
Unfortunately it is beginning to get a little loose and worn.
I have already replaced the screen on the poor thing after one accident.
Could someone help with advice on a suitable upgrade? I don't appear to see one on the HTC website which fits my likes (or any on other sites).
I have been looking through the HTC website, and thought the Athena/x7500 would be suitable, but then realised that this appears to be EOL already.
Items I like on the Universal, is the hi-res 640x480 screen. Better would be nice. It appears to be ~4" or so
I like the size of the keys on the keyboard, it is just about right for me. (it is a must, to be able to hide the keyboard). I like the way that the keys are rounded, and I can use it without light. Unfortunately, I do not like the way that the keyboard can be slid in on the HTC touch pro, I think I will hit the top screen with my fingers?
I like the way that I can attach a bluetooth GPS device and use it as a navigator for the car.
Quad band would be extremely useful, although I have an alternative quad-band phone for when it is required, it would be very useful to have it in the main phone.
Internet browser is a must (but is there any phone nowadays which doesn't have one?). Hi-speed internet is not a requirement.
Touchscreen is a must. (as is a stylus hide-hole)
I doubt it makes any real difference, but I am currently on T-Mobile UK.
An SD slot (or CF alternatively), would be good for storage. It would be useful if the phone had Excel and Word, or compatibles, as I do often use these.
Thanks in advance,
A good question!
I have Universal also and have found very hard to get a real replacement for great Uni!
I have now Rhodium, which to my opinion is the closer to an upgrade but I have to be honest there are some things still miss...
Better keyboard (Uni has the best hardware keyboard to this date)
VGA
From factor (unbeatable)
But we have to face the fact that HTC made Universal so good, so advanced to it´s time that hardly they will make something on the same line (I really hope I´m wrong)
Rhodium can make you feel good in the meantime
orb3000 said:
But we have to face the fact that HTC made Universal so good, so advanced to it´s time that hardly they will make something on the same line (I really hope I´m wrong)
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Thanks for the response. I suppose i can take some solace that there are others that think the same!
Of course!
We are several people thinking that way, just have a look on Universal section and you´ll see how in love members are with great Uni!