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Is there a fresh news about Raptorz WM5.0 saga?
I think for this time this mythical ROM can be transfered by speed 1byte/hour. So...
(found in internet space)
Oooh, fellas.
I have a WM5.0 on my Magician (friend of my friend brother, that working in HTC flash it), but i live in a small village. There is no internet, so i can't upload it. There is no post office like a DHL/FedEx/UPS... And i want to tell you more - there is no electricity and cellular providers... But i REALY HAVE IT!
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For god's sake, get over it. If it comes, great. If not, tough. What was the point to your post? Why would you bother writing this when the main thread was locked and there's another one still going?
MODS!! DELETE ME!!!! PLEASE!! (I mean this topic, not me totally!)
I just want to know - is there news.
It has been bad joke or a new hope? It's all.
I'm WAITING for WM5.0 ROM like you.
Great quote.
For all of the stfu ppl, this is a forum, remember?!
Let people talk!
If AlexXF thought it would be a relevant question to him to ask for the rom, he can ask it. If you don't like the topic, don't reply to it.
It would die if you don't.
I think one can ask whatever question he likes as long as he/she does not offend anyone else on this board.
And after 2 weeks, if asked politely, I don't see anything wrong in asking for an update. People ask so many stupid questions on other stuff, what's the surprise if someone asks for progress on such a HUGE thing?
And jimmy-bish, couldn't you just ignore such threads if they don't interest you? I found AlexF's post more interesting than yours!
Should I just ask the mods to delete your threads if they are of no use or interest to me then? Visit other forums and you'll find these type of discussions on daily basis? Does this have that, will we have this upgrade, etc? There's no "police" shutting their mouths up.
Everybody on this forum is ASKING for the ROM.
None is OFFERING the Rom.
So, if you don't have anything to OFFER than please stop ASKING.
This will be showing you have at least a bit of respect for the people that are working trying to do something to satisfy YOUR laziness not to provide this ROM to the community.
Hope is dying but then, hope of course, is nothing to do with whether Raptor has the ROM or not. But all the same, after arranging a pickup and such like, it appears Buzz has not been getting any further contact from Raptor (see Buzz' website: buzzdev). So either the project is dead in the water (i.e. it never really existed), or Raptor has been unable to get in touch due to whatever reason. It could be one or the other.
unlockMe said:
Everybody on this forum is ASKING for the ROM.
None is OFFERING the Rom.
So, if you don't have anything to OFFER than please stop ASKING.
This will be showing you have at least a bit of respect for the people that are working trying to do something to satisfy YOUR laziness not to provide this ROM to the community.
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SOMEONE OFFERED THE ROM AND PEOPLE ARE JUST ASKING IF THIS OFFER CAN STILL BE HONOURED.
TALKING ABOUT LAZINESS, IF I WAS LAZY I WOULDN'T BE POSTING LENGHTY POSTS TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE WITH VARIOUS PROBLEMS THAT I THINK I COULD HELP THEM WITH.
AND WHENEVER I DO SOMETHING FOR MYSELF (EG ANIMATED CONTACT PICS, THEMES, ETC.) I'M THE FIRST ONE TO COME AND POST THEM HERE. SO IF YOU WERE REFERRING TO ME WHEN YOU USED THE WORD LAZY, KINDLY APOLOGISE.
AND TO THE PEOPLE WHO JUST VISIT THE FORUM TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET SOMETHING BUT NEVER GIVE ANYTHING ... GO FIND YOURSELVES A WINDOWS MOBILE DOWNGRADE AND LEAVE US ALONE!!!!
(Aplogies to everyone else who had to read my crap but comments like this infuriate me!)
I'm a bit more calm now ...
@unlockme, aren't you the same guy who called Gora (the guy who gave Himlaya users the WM5 ROM) a lamer?
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Minotavrs you're right, this is just bull****.
If you lookup the first screenshot, it reports 24.38MB of memory, hence obviously a smartphone.
Then, this guy shows picture of an himalaya device (by the way the picture on the wooden desktop is taken from a web site that has a review on XDA II). On these picture, it reports 128MB (normal size for a XDA II).
on my XDA II when I go the Settings / System / About it reports 125.86MB.
Don't loose your time giving credit to this lamer.
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If you owned a Himalya, I bet you made good use of the ROM!
we all know originally there is no WM2005 ROM for Magician. so i hate to know that and i hate peoples who are saying they have WM2005 ROM for Magician and run away with no ****ing any news about their activities...
after wasting long time to wait for it... i will not Download it or Flash my Magician even if it out after my post coz there will come soon alot of cool Phones with WM2005 and more better than Magician.... so guys save your time and go sell your Magicians to get newer one... NOT BUGGY one like XDA II WM2005
this is the life don't loose it
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we all know originally there is no WM2005 ROM for Magician. so i hate to know that and i hate peoples who are saying they have WM2005 ROM for Magician and run away with no ****ing any news about their activities...
after wasting long time to wait for it... i will not Download it or Flash my Magician even if it out after my post coz there will come soon alot of cool Phones with WM2005 and more better than Magician.... so guys save your time and go sell your Magicians to get newer one... NOT BUGGY one like XDA II WM2005
this is the life don't loose it
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CHILL!
cool thread 8) at least now theres a dedicated thread for complains rather than filling up the previous ones which keeps the updates as well 8) i hate it when i see the thread abt news i'm eager at sets itself to "update" and find out the update is nothing but complain, seriously
::adit
Hello all!
I’ve been reading all posts regarding this “famous” WM5 Magician ROM and has so, I’ve decided to post a small (made up) story about this situation. I hope you like it
The High Skilled liar
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Letter from a unemployed guy:
Dear Sirs,
I’ve noticed that you’re looking for someone high skilled with a PhD, for a position has a Technical Director / CTO on your company. Has so, i’ve taken the liberty of sending you my resumé which i think, fulfils your requirements.
Best regards,
B.
Response letter from company YXZ
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your excellent resumé. We are very interested on meeting you and as so, we would like to have a small meeting on next Wednesday. Please don’t forget to bring along your PhD sealed certification.
Best regards,
A.
Response Letter from a unemployed guy:
Dear Sir,
Unfortunately I’ve lost my PhD sealed certification. But i’m free to meet up with you on Wednesday.
Best regards,
B.
Response letter from company YXZ
Dear Sir,
I’m afraid that we really need to see your original sealed PhD certification, since this position is of great importance. Since your resumé has exactly what we are looking for, we are willing to wait a few days for you, while you get your new copy of the original PhD diploma from your university ABC.
Best regards,
A.
Response Letter from a unemployed guy:
Dear Sirs,
Unfortunately, my wife got sick and requires 24hs attention during this month. She has injured her spine and I can’t leave her alone for too long. And has so, i don’t have time for getting a new certificate due to that. So if you’re willing to accept my candidacy without the PhD, I might have a few minutes to meet you up.
Best regards,
B.
Response letter from company YXZ
Dear Sir,
I understand your situation but our company has a strict policy about contracting persons that are proven to be certified. Since your resumé caused a great impression on us, we decided to contact the University ABC that you have pointed, so to figure out a way of solving this situation. Unfortunately we couldn’t get any response about your diploma (no one knew you). We also have obtained the information that you can request it by phone, and that it will be mailed to your home. We will continue to wait for you a few days more.
P.S.: We hope that your wife is feeling better.
Best regards,
A.
Response Letter from a unemployed guy:
Dear Sirs,
Thank you for your caring. I have had another situation…I’ve contacted my university but they can’t find my certificate anywhere. I’m sorry but I can’t send it to you. Besides, my car has broken and it’s hard to go meet you since there’s no easy transportation to your company. Has so, I’m must decline this proposal. Thank you for your time.
Regards,
B.
Response letter from company YXZ
Dear Sir,
Has our last offer, we are willing to meet with you at your university, if you can spare a few minutes ( btw, we hope that your wife is feeling better now) where we will sort out this situation. We just need a proof that you have a PhD, and we will accept you for the CTO position. Please, just name the day and time and we will meet there.
Regards,
A
..Needless to say, that company YXZ never got a response.
Cheers
Keeper: AMAZING!
Ehehehe. Best regards I'm still LOL for the great analogy.
Let's now keep talking about the injured woman now. That's all that matter.
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we all know originally there is no WM2005 ROM for Magician. so i hate to know that and i hate peoples who are saying they have WM2005 ROM for Magician and run away with no ****ing any news about their activities...
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This is exactly the point why some of us are ****i'n mad.
If I was the one that came here and post "hey, I have wm5" I was commiting myself to give you some news. If I don't want to give news in the first place, I would talk directly to Buzz, as he was the guy that had the skills and the respect from the community. I think this is common sense: if you dont want to reply to questions, why the heck are you opening a topic to lauch doubt and uncertain?! Don't post it. Do something with your software that is productive, instead of talking to us, comunity.
If you really have the rom, the comunity would be better served if you STFU and send the rom to buzz in the first place (without even posting about it).
I'm now waiting here for the next raptor show up, when he will bash us because of our ingratitude, and how painfull this quest is getting to him.
If ur imagination is true, so, u will never see Raptor again, and most probably, he is surfing our forum now under a new name and reads ur posts with great fun and laughing. Now, we need Colombo (the detective) to follow the new members that joined the forum since the disappearence of raptorz and investigates all their posts, way of wriring and IPs and comparing it with that of raptors to discover his new name and give him a great kik outside the forum.
Anyway, thank u raports, u gave us some fun and brain storming and opend our imaginations.
N.B. Another senario that if were right i will feel too shame, is that raptor is now resting in a bed in a hospital somewhere in london under a salping to support his spine and cannot move by any way to write to us.
kta said:
And jimmy-bish, couldn't you just ignore such threads if they don't interest you? I found AlexF's post more interesting than yours!
... Visit other forums and you'll find these type of discussions on daily basis? Does this have that, will we have this upgrade, etc? There's no "police" shutting their mouths up.
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Funny, I've visited and am a member of many other forums and in each of them, the members seem to be smart enough to wait patiently for an answer. Have a read through the thread, if there's no news, move on. I am also a moderator of one of the forums, and I haven't had to delete a single post about this subject as there aren't as many clowns who keep asking.
AND... one of your so called "police" happens to be Buzz, who locked the first WM5 thread as he got sick of the flaming! Fine job that did as all the clowns just created new threads. Doesn't that tell you something?
Yeah.
We are the ones to blame, the bad guys.
The person who came here and say "hey, I have wm5 on my magician" but never give us back answers or the actual rom and was always giving us different excuses (hey, people that have kids have time for them, and people with serious injury would not take the effort to came to the internet to not give us nothing) and responding on another forums (this one blows the "maybe raptor is in hopsital and don't have internet there stuff) and refused to upload via ftp because he already has a meet with raptor messenger (he didn't give the address, so what meet was it?!) is the person that deserve respect, care, and the title of the good guy.
You already knew what was this topic about. It's title is a forbidden question. If you people were smart, you should notice it is not a pleasent topic to you guys. Why the heck you keep reading a thing you don't want too? Move along, read the other topics. Let the bashers bash. It is only ONE topic. People are not taking a lot of space on xda-dev database.
Remember: you cannot control other people from posting, but you can control you so yourself can abstain from reading this post.
Why don't you do a "how's raptor health" topic? I think that would interest most of the users on the forum, so... this topic would die because of no replies.
People are constantly bashing things: broken firmwares, no support, HTC! Why can't we bash, or doubt, or whatever we want, if we discuss with correctness and without violence?
Funny thing is: people still think we don't see a wm5 rom because of the raptors injury. Maybe he is dead... He couldn't even upload a 25mb file, but he still keeped saying he was taking a huge effort to get us the file. Why didn't he upload just the first bytes of the rom?! With ftp, if he tried, at least buzz would get that info (well, if their crappy bt connection could send 416bytes on one connection... but maybe it would hang). Think this: will you still use gsm when this magic rom travel from raptor pocket to buzz? Guess not.
PS: remember that the censored guy told raptor the rom was an update to jam users, from club-imate? were on club-imate do you see the rom?
-> I keep waiting for raptor to came here and bash us ranters. he will say: "i'm sorry for being injured and for have a 3mth old kid, and you are all ungratefull". been there, saw that.
well, i think we are watching a DRAMA Movie which its title is:
"Pathetic Raptor's life and WM2005"
if i can get this WM2005 ROM i will not post any **** until i make sure that i can put my hands on it
to Raptor's People "Don't post any **** before you clean it" :x
Best regards for guys who are still waiting... :wink:
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You already knew what was this topic about. It's title is a forbidden question. If you people were smart, you should notice it is not a pleasent topic to you guys. Why the heck you keep reading a thing you don't want too? Move along, read the other topics.
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Oh how boring would that be, just looking up information for my Jam, seeking help, giving help in return... blah blah blah.....
Simple fact, I love these flame wars. I really don't have an opinion either way on the whole Raptorz thing, but I'm having a really good chuckle while stirring people up! I suppose it's an Australian thing.. we all enjoy taking the piss! :lol:
And there's nothing wrong with a healthy debate... I'll let you get up on your high horse, and then I'll shoot it! :lol: :lol:
Keeper, amazing! LOL! Copied to my LJ. Thanks for a good joke.
NightmarE, you so right!
I think, there is a another way to upgrade - sell Magician and buy Atom or another new phone with WM5.0 and WiFi. It will be better.
For me personal, i'll be waiting for WM5.0 before Christmass, than just upgrade the phone
Hey Guys,
I am guessing that this was answered, but i am still not sure after reading some posts on Hard SPL vs SSPL. Basically what is the main difference, does SSPL work? If i switch from Cingular to HTC rom via either method can i easily switch back (in case i need to return my phone to cingular - will it void the warranty?)
Really want to switch to HTC rom, but not sure what are the reprecautions.
Also a really newb question : I understand what is meant by flashing the rom, but what does it mean ("radio" or "radio version upgrade")
Thanks
Dmitriy
Start reading the stickys and start searching google is your friend no one will spoon feed you around here
austinsnyc said:
Start reading the stickys and start searching google is your friend no one will spoon feed you around here
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Ive always used hard spl for my hermes and plan on using when I get my tilt as well. Austins right about spoon feeding though, just read, read, and read some more. I have friends who have ppc's and I have given them xda site address and yet no one takes it upon themselves to educate. Instead they call me a whole lot of stupid ****. Not directed at you but in short Ill say its better to know wtf your doing so you dont have to rely on others for info.
Okay, so I have been doing a lot of reading about all this, and it appears there are a lot of roms for the Tmobile wing. I was curious which one you guys think is better, which one you have, ease of the upgrade (flashing the rom), wm6.1, etc.. Looks like if you make some noob mistakes, you could end up with a fancy paperweight. Thanks.
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Okay, so I have been doing a lot of reading about all this, and it appears there are a lot of roms for the Tmobile wing. I was curious which one you guys think is better, which one you have, ease of the upgrade (flashing the rom), wm6.1, etc.. Looks like if you make some noob mistakes, you could end up with a fancy paperweight. Thanks.
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All ROMs are good and all ROMs need the same amount of effort to install.
Every ROM has his pros and cons. Easiest way to find your favourite ROM is to test 2, 3 or more ROMs.
You also should now what you want from a ROM.
Please read the rules about this sub-forum on where and how to post properly.
This is the forum for ROM developement only.
I'm sorry to say that, but your post is considered spam here.
Anyways, welcome to xda-dev, get familiar here with the forum and enjoy the fun of flashjing and testing ROMs.
Have fun!
yup
yea hes right...papa will probably move it to another forum...but in my opinion Open touch is goodd and also with ICP and Carbon they are pretty stable but its basicly an opinion....you have to try them out yyourself to see which one is better for u..
remember to hard spl your phone..then u can flash..welcome to xda tho...
Open touch biggy is the way to go.
umm...it never works right on ma fone...now i cant even receive my mms....
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Open touch biggy is the way to go.
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Open touch is definitely awesome. You can start out by flashing your roms with hard-spl which is pretty safe (you wont end up with a paperweight). However if you do manage to brick your phone, its not really a big deal as long as you dont mess with the boot loader. Good luck with your flashing. Have fun
Yeah, I obviously have some more reading and ivestigating to do, but I do have a question. What is hard spl? I'm a noob, yes, but a gadget geek/computer geek, and I'm blown away at all the info on this site.
Asked a few times on Dutty's April thread and also sent a PM (although I didn't expect a reply from the PM)
My question is/was:
Is there going to be another Dutty ROM for the Kaiser? or is the April one the last. As there was a few minor problems with it there was mention he was going to do another but no one seems to be saying least of all Dutty - course I did read he was chilling for a bit.
//Before people whine and moan.. I did ask many times on the thread and searched for the answer this is my last resort!
Cheers!
why are you such a tool i've never posted once but people like you piss me off what kind of stupid question is that
This thread can be closed if you ask me....
What's the point in creating a new thread containing only a question if somebody is going to release a new ROM!?
People who are cooking ROM's are doing this for free in their spare time... ..they even got lives besides the XDA forum.
If there's a new ROM you wil see it in the thread of the Kaiser ROM Development.
Do us a favour and change the misleading title of your thread dude...
I hear his slowing down rom making i.e. don't expect one anytime soon, he has alot of work to do i hear he hasn't stopped it just isn't a priority anymore.
p.s. Now rum b4 thew angry mob gets here
You got to be kidding!
If you want to know what the cook is making for dinner then ask the cook. Asking the people in the super market won't help. If the cook doesn't answer you then just wait to see what he puts on the table. Unless your paying for the meal then be polite and don't bother the Chef. In short one would assume by your question that you have your pants custom made due to the sher size of your balls and I would bet their brass as well.
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I hear his slowing down rom making i.e. don't expect one anytime soon, he has alot of work to do i hear he hasn't stopped it just isn't a priority anymore.
p.s. Now rum b4 thew angry mob gets here
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LOL cheers for the reply mate.
seriously not bothered about the 'numptys' who will and have replied with the predictable blurb... lol just sheep imo
/can be closed now again cheers for the reply Inf
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why are you such a tool i've never posted once but people like you piss me off what kind of stupid question is that
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ROFL
I have quoted you just so we can save your fantastically crap frst post! rofl!!
ahhh man classic numpty! can't stop laughing!
edbutler said:
If you want to know what the cook is making for dinner then ask the cook. Asking the people in the super market won't help. If the cook doesn't answer you then just wait to see what he puts on the table. Unless your paying for the meal then be polite and don't bother the Chef. In short one would assume by your question that you have your pants custom made due to the sher size of your balls and I would bet their brass as well.
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Well said.
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Well said.
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it's true
damn dude, you got me. I'm definitely a "humpty" cause I'm the idiot that decided to ask a retarded question and reply to my own thread four times in half an hour cause no one else wants to even bother looking at your useless garbage. go make your own roms if you're gonna ask stupid questions. later, "chap"
So I tried reaching into dutty's mind..couldn't come up with any info...he must have his tin hat on
Moderators please lock or remove this.
thx.
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LOL cheers for the reply mate.
seriously not bothered about the 'numptys' who will and have replied with the predictable blurb... lol just sheep imo
/can be closed now again cheers for the reply Inf
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He did say in one of the threads that he was getting a new device so development might slow down on his kaiser roms. If I was reading between the lines I would guess he's looking to move on. But I'm not a mind reader and so will take whatever he says literally, but really it's none of my business whether he continues or not.
If you'd have read the threads properly you would have noticed him mentioning this, he has done so more than once. Anyway, take it easy, but really this goes against the grain of the community, i.e. 'giving', none of the cooks owe us anything so we shouldn't be chasing them up with whether they're releasing a new ROM not.
Any new foreign movies?
I wanna watch a good foreign movie, any recommendations?
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I wanna watch a good foreign movie, any recommendations?
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Ah ok...well if we are going to discuss something worthwhile... then by all means.
MY girlfriend and I have gotten into watching alot of asian horror, and have branched out into other countries as well.
Check out "El Orfanto", The Orphanage, a very good ghost story from Spain.
If you haven't seen Pan's Labyrinth, or really anything by Guillermo del Toro, you should check it out.
I must say that most of the asian horror is sort of "out there" and doesn't make as much of an impact to western sensibilities... good acting, pacing, but much left unexplained. One that isn't exactly "horror" but just an awesome, messed up story...see Oldboy, a korean film.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! My head hurts from reading this thread... why did I bother?
Now I'm wasting time posting on it. If this thread were a banana, I would squish it. Comprehensively.
Dutty and a few others, are kinda sick of Kaiser & will be jumping ship shortly. Don't expect Great Kaiser roms forever. Not with newer & greater toys right around the corner. Many of us will be leaving shortly.
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He did say in one of the threads that he was getting a new device so development might slow down on his kaiser roms. If I was reading between the lines I would guess he's looking to move on. But I'm not a mind reader and so will take whatever he says literally, *but really it's none of my business whether he continues or not.
If you'd have read the threads properly you would have noticed him mentioning this, he has done so more than once. Anyway, take it easy, but really this goes against the grain of the community, i.e. 'giving', none of the cooks owe us anything so we shouldn't be chasing them up with whether they're releasing a new ROM not.
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lol spit it out will you!
I never said it was my business, and maybe it 'goes against the grain' but it was a perfectly legitimate question and was asked clearly with nothing other than, I'll wait if there is another on the way.. rather than install the 'last' ROM.
What's hilarious is that my question was answered quickly and concisely by Infuruno (page 1 post 3!) - now that's all that was required simply put and job done!.
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I hear his slowing down rom making i.e. don't expect one anytime soon, he has alot of work to do i hear he hasn't stopped it just isn't a priority anymore.
p.s. Now rum b4 thew angry mob gets here
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And a lovely tongue in cheek ending!
*talk about the rest of you all making a mountain out of a mole hill! LOL
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Dutty and a few others, are kinda sick of Kaiser & will be jumping ship shortly. Don't expect Great Kaiser roms forever. Not with newer & greater toys right around the corner. Many of us will be leaving shortly.
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Indeed I hear you probs be going the same way in a few months
duttythroy said:
Hi guys , I'm abandoning this release for now as it seems there still issues with this build, not sure if its the newer wm6.1, I havent tried 5.2.19212 as yet, but there are random freezes with these build , i know people are mentioning it could be hardspl but I cant see how is that have to do with it, My thoughts it could be related to the dynamice pagepool setting with also with our customcache settings,
I fixed most issues so far, including contacts and other stuff, but dont feel its still stable.
I'm also looking to get a new device soon,
So for now I will not support this thread, also I'm also busy at work again, thanks for supporting guys, I will be at the background trying to do one more release, but need to investigate the random freezing we experiencing now with these new builds
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Hi Guys i have been really busy agauin at work, i'm starting with the new Rom, not really happen with last one, one of my worst rom, but its a learning experience, seems there is more to wm6.1 now especially with the Diamond build, also I'm very interested in getting a new phone so not really motivated in cooking roms for kaiser no more since HTC let us down. as soon as i near completion I will let you guys now.
As said before The hybrid wm6.1 roms are my favourites just that the new drivers wont work, so I will be playing agin with some new builds and if we still got issues i might do another hybrid with all updated apps, my apologies, i would recommend if u still want to use one of my stable roms, still use hybrid april 01 or hybrid 29 thanks guys
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Guys I'm packing up kaiser cooking and cooking for diamond who wants to join me, You will get wm7 on it as soon as it launch
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I want to update my windows 5.0 towindows 6.0
Is that going to work en where can i get it
Yes, it's going to work!
Yes, you can get it here!
Yes, you are lazy!
Yes, you have to READ!
Hahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahaha And The Clown Is Sooooooo
Fuuuuuuuuuuuny Men!!!!!
Oh My God!!!!!
+ Que PPC said:
Hahahahahahahahaha And The Clown Is Sooooooo
Fuuuuuuuuuuuny Men!!!!!
Oh My God!!!!!
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please telme where i kant vound the wm 6.0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2380300&postcount=2
Read, and learn, then you won't have to be hand-held, and (hopefully) we won't have to read your, "Help, I've bricked my phone!" post, later.
Seriously, you need to understand all of the pitfalls of flashing your phone, and you need to be VERY familiar with the process before you do it, or you'll have one expensive paperweight, instead of a really cool WM6 phone.
...and take responsibility for your own choices. There's just no such thing as "Best ROM" for anyone; what will be best for you might not suit anyone else besides you and the guy that cooked the ROM. Frankly, after more than a year on these boards, I still haven't found a ROM that I like enough to stay with it.
If you're absolutely incapable of choosing for yourself, consider reading the "Best WM6 ROM" thread. It probably won't help you, either, though, because it's just a bunch of people who also disagree on which ROM is "best."