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over- and under clocking your mda compact

I just tried chainging my cpu speed using some programs I found
first of all I tried xcpuscalar, but the whole machine freezed and I had to do a soft reset
next I tried a program I found on this site called overclock, it was not designed for this device but I wanted to try it and hoped that it would work, but unfortunately it gave the mesage when I tried using "unable to execute"
and now I am using phm but this also has some problems as an example the whole machine freezes with a bus of more than 130, so this limits the speed to 520 mhz. this happens while using speed configuration on that item
Is there someone else who tried o/c or u/c on his magician(I have an t-mobile branded version)? and if so with which program, and what are you're experiences? How far were you able to go?
I find it hard to believe the max for the magician is at 520 mhz so I hope there is someone who knows more about this

Did u try pocket hackmaster yet......??? It has a good reputation.
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=7258

yes phm is pocket hack master, but when I try a bus higher then 130 the program hangs, and I have to do a soft reset, the maximum speed I can get this way is at 520 mhz, and I was hoping to push it some bit further
edit: I had the hack master 3.05 version as a trial because I first wanted to see if the program worked, but now after only 2 days the trial has expired, so maybe there is someone else who has a registered version and willing to also give it a shot

i also tried PHM 3.05.001 and noticed the 130MHz bus limit..
however if you add a manual speed, u can increase the clockspeed multiplier and take it way higher than 530MHz - i had it running at 845MHz!!! but surely that cant be good for the phone? although it passed all the stress tests and so on....
also... shortly after i did that the phone crashed and i was forced to hard reset!!! my punishment for overclocking too much

thanks for the info, the only problem now remaining is that the trial has expired and I first want to test this before buying it
ah well, too bad, I only find it very strange that when you have a trial for 10 days it stops working after only one day :?

Dear all
Try to Put in 111 111 111 111 111 111 on the serial no and see.
enjoy

nice the code works thx's

Do Yyou erally notice that higher speed on your compact? Because otherwise i would overclock mine also to bus 130 mhz
What are the advantages ?

Don't trust the clock value reported by PHM! Use third party program like Betaplayer and U will found the value report by PHM is not correct
I can set PHM to report a 926mzh!!! and un the tests OK. But betaplayer reports only 494 (and it can be proved by the similar benchmark of PHM itself or from Betaplayer)
Magician probably use some relatively poor quality ram or components that post a 130mzh limit on the bus and there is no way to use any software to overcome physical limit. For stability, I will only set it to 124mzh.

HOW DO YOU SET UP A MANUAL SPEED FOR BENCHMARKING THE CPU SPEED?!?!?!?

I just wondered if the mini ( or ppc architecture in general ) is layouted for scaling cpu and bus frequencies. all you guys just do it, and I think that at least downscaling during idle time like centrino notebooks do is a great feature to save batterie time, but is the basic hardware architecture made to cope with the chaning tensions / currents ?
If the answer would be a yes, then why the hack this feature is not implemented in windows ce ?
So I tend to say no it isnt... maybe somebody could give evidence
thx in advance

in response to the question by iCue,
yes, the hardware is made to cope with the changing clock multiplier/clock frequencies...
the title of the CPU itself, "scalar" means that it is capable of scaling the speeds up and down to conserve battery life etc...
unfortuantely, microsoft being micrsoft, did not implement this (hence programs like pocket hack master being needed)

HighPingBastard said:
in response to the question by iCue,
yes, the hardware is made to cope with the changing clock multiplier/clock frequencies...
the title of the CPU itself, "scalar" means that it is capable of scaling the speeds up and down to conserve battery life etc...
unfortuantely, microsoft being micrsoft, did not implement this (hence programs like pocket hack master being needed)
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When i use XCPUscaler, then i notice that my magician works not so good as else. Under 10 % it scales to 208 Mhz in stead of 416 to save power but when i do something big like view foto's then xcpuscaler sometimes doesn't speed up my magician. Nobody noticed this on his magician?
That's the reason why i stopped using it !

Thanks
HighPingBastard for this precise answer
@ThEScReW : Naturally it is a problem that if you use 100% of 200 Mhz it is hard for phm to gain enough to upscale the cpu...
so well... no I didnt realise this problem yet ;D

Want to install english language???

I want to install ENGLISH language. For this how can i do it. With flashing. or other way. please help me.
here is detail this phone.
http://www.pearl.de/pdocs/PX4115_11_76516.pdf
Simvalley XP-25
The operating system is Windows Mobile 6th With its 2.4 inch touch screen (Resolution 240 x320 pixels), the phone weighs just 105 g. It includes a 2MP camera with fixed focus lens. The mobile radio in GSM networks at 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz (Triband), UMTS does not know it. For the Internet via GSM GPRS is only available to what the XP-25 up to 53.6 kbit / s and receives 26.8 kbit / s broadcasts. Connections over GPRS-EDGE accelerators can not produce. With a program like Speed Optimizer, it is also quite fix surf. WLAN, the device is not, however, BlueTooth schon.Der with somewhat weak 300 MHz processor and the memory (64 MB RAM, 128 MB Flash) are not very abundant, but for most applications than adequate. The system includes extensive organizer functions of Outlook Mobile and the Mobile Office Suite for Word, Excel and PowerPoint files. MP3 music played by the media player, a removable memory can use microSD cards. The size of the cards is limited to a maximum 2-GB limit. A stereo headset delivers Pearl too.
* Contract & SIM-lock free: once in each mobile network available
* Brilliant 2.4 "touch screen: 240 x 320 pixels, 65K
* Operating system: Windows Mobile ® 6 Professional German (update entitled to 6.1, free download after the release)
* Start-up software package: Windows Office Mobile (Word, Excel, PowerPoint), Acrobat Reader, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player
* Mobile Internet: GPRS Class 10, WAP 2.0
* Easy Text Input & Numbers: unerring handwriting recognition, virtual keyboard
* Fast 300MHz processor, 128 MB ROM, 64 MB RAM
* Memory expansion with microSD card (up to 2 GB)
* 2 MP digital camera with 6x digital zoom (1600 × 1200)
* Powerful Li-ion battery: up to 4 hours talk time, 150 hours standby
* Interfaces: Bluetooth V1.2 class 2, mini-USB
* Fast data synchronization via ActiveSync
* Handy housing with anti-slip finish: Dimensions 106 x 53 x 16 mm, 82 g light (net, 105 g with battery & SIM card)
* Incl. Stereo headset, stylus (Stylus), USB cable, software, power supply loading, German manual

http://www.pearl.de/support/
Sorry but this is the most I was able to find. There are a couple of upgrades to 6.1 which might (not likely) but might just have WWE versions...
I guess your best bet would be to get in touch with Pearls and see if they can help out.

egzthunder1 said:
http://www.pearl.de/support/
Sorry but this is the most I was able to find. There are a couple of upgrades to 6.1 which might (not likely) but might just have WWE versions...
I guess your best bet would be to get in touch with Pearls and see if they can help out.
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Thanks for reply. But for what u gave me these links. I cannot understand. Please give me detail. How can i flash and programing it. Please .

trust that if he knew how he would've told you.
you will need to work a bit to realize this. we only support HTC devices in this forum.
flashing roms not fitting the exact device type can brick your phone.
search the internet for roms fitting your device. if you find one, we might be able to help you flash it.

nir36 said:
trust that if he knew how he would've told you.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence nir

Sunno s880 3 kinds, Opinions please!

Hi, Im very interested in one of these sunno phones, there are 3 models, 1 of them is a cheap copy that I wont buy. The other ones are originals from sunno factory, witch one would you choose? please let me know why
There are 3 kind of s880, (please tell us about them if you have any of them)
The great one:
CPU: Marvell PXA310(1GHZ)
Look at the back camera(thats the diference)
Main 5mpx cam,
No android os
Just wm6.5
Where to buy?: www china-mobile-phone com
PICS:
N/A I have links restriction
The second most powerfull:
CPU: Unknown 806MHZ processor 256RAM
Diferent back camera, 8mpx
DUAL BOOT OS Android and WM6.5
Where to buy?: Anywhere, the most common one
PICS: N/A I have links restriction
The third, "the cheap one":
CPU: Hisilicon K3 460Mhz
8Mpx camera
WM6.5 and Android
Where to buy?: This one seems to be a cheap copy, so be aware. If you find that back camera in a s880, thats a cheap copy.
PICS: N/A I have links restriction
I will add photos to this post when my links restriction is gone
Please, give me your opinion about witch one should I buy, and why
thanks!

Hi Mhz250,
I've been delivered the model you describe as "The Great One", i.e. with 1GHz processor (at least, that's what it reports) and NOT dual boot.
I can't tell you which one to buy as I'm not familiar with the others, but below are some of my impressions. As a disclaimer, the model I'd ordered was meant to be the dual boot one, so I'm a bit disgruntled, and also this is my first smart phone, so I don't have anything to compare it to with regards performance. However I do have an Ipod touch so I'm familiar with capacitive screens.
Build Quality:
The body feels reasonably solid. There's a bit of a plastic squeek when you squeeze if from the sides but otherwise there's a nice weight to it. The battery cover is metal and again feels solid.
The buttons below the screen and the two volume buttons on the side feel robust, but the cover for the memory card slot is a loose friction fit, and the small power button feels like it might eventually fall out.
Screen quality:
Brightness:
It doesn't seem as bright as my Ipod touch, even with the lightness up full. I've not tried to use it outdoors on a sunny day (I'm avoiding using it until I've my support query on sorting the dual-os settled) but for indoor use it has been fine.
Touch:
I'm using a screen protector that I ordered with the phone, which might have an effect on the responsiveness. It is a resistive screen rather than capacitive: sometimes a light touch is sufficient to get a response, other times you've got to press firmly. I'd characterise the difference like this:
- with a capacitive screen you can lightly "swoosh" with the pad of a finger to scroll
- with the S880, I find I either have to drag with the pad of my finger to scroll, or else use the tip of my finger/nail.
- in general, I find I've to re-enter my taps etc to get a response some of the time, other times it works fine.
- also bear in mind that you will not have multi-touch (pinch-to-zoom), which makes browsing less convenient.
OS:
In my opinion Windows mobile 6.5 is not very nice to use without a stylus: the settings menus and the keyboard are rather small and, although not impossible to use with the tip of your finger, it's still quite easy to select the wrong item. Note that the S880 doesn't come with one of those built-in stylus slots (or even a stylus). Installing FingerKeyboard helps with the keyboard issue, but doesn't help with the small menus.
The lack of an "alt-tab" built in to the OS to switch between running apps is a pain. Perhaps due to my unfamiliarity with the OS, I keep finding myself back at the home screen and have to re-navigate to the application (sometimes via task manager).
I downloaded a trial of SPB Mobile shell and that helps to make the screen feel more responsive. That's all very well while you're in the SPB shell (navigation) but when you finally arrive at the app, you're back in the Win6.5 world . It also adds an extra $30 to the factor into the cost, but if I cannot get the dual-os issue resolved, I'd personally go for this (and, before anyone asks, no, I'm not affiliated with SPB)
So, although this shouldn't be a review of the OS, in terms of selecting which S880 model to go for, all else being equal I'd lean towards the dual boot in order to be able to use Android. (I'm sure there are threads arguing over which OS is better, I don't mean to kick of any such debate here).
Conclusions
This is an admittedly selective review: for me, the two dominant factors are the resistive screen and the Windows interface, neither of which I particularly like, and I don't think they compliment each other.
I hope this helps!

Hi itburns!
thanks very much for such a great personal opinion! Could you test the camera for me? I really would like to know if it can take pictures at night, what's the pictures quality, real MPX of the camera.
Could you also please tell us your opinion about the speed of the phone? try to use a couple of apps at the same time and see what happends. Or a 3d game if you can!
Thanks again

Thanks for a good review! Its always nice to get personal feedback on Chinese cloned phones!

>Could you test the camera for me? I really would like to know if it can take pictures at night, what's the pictures quality, real MPX of the camera.
The camera has a popup controls dialog with the following settings
- Resolution: L, 1M, 2M, 3M
- White Balance: Auto, night, daylight, {some bizarre symbol that might mean fluorescent light}, incandescent light (a traditional lightbulb)
- EV: +/- 2 stops
- Location for storage;
- Wide-screen review
- Auto-timer
There's also a quick route to view stored pictures and a menu: the menu has
- Special Effect ( a bunch like b&w, sepia, etc)
- Snap sound
- Flash
- Iamge[sic] Quality : High Low Normal
- About: Camera V1.0
I took just a couple of shots outside at twilight and at night. Twilight ones appeared on the screen pretty close to what I was seeing. Not entirely sure what you were looking for with the night shots: they look dark, naturally! I've not viewed them on a pc yet (so no opinion on the quality) but on the phone's screen you can make out street lights etc. in the night shots
Stored as: Jpeg
Sizes: 2048 x 1246, 1600x960, 1280x768,
> Could you also please tell us your opinion about the speed of the phone?
> try to use a couple of apps at the same time and see what happends.
> Or a 3d game if you can!
If I'm not mistaken, apps don't run seem to concurrently in Windows Mobile: i.e. although in RAM, they remain in a sleep mode until you switch to them. This seems to be backed up by the view in task manager: CPU usage remains 0% for "running" apps. So running other apps shouldn't really affect performance other than by hogging RAM.
I've no 3D games (and anyway, as this is my first smart phone, I'd have nothing to compare with). As an aside, the phone has Teeter installed (one of those marble-around-a-maze) which, although it doesn't show off the graphics or processing, it does show off the gravity sensor and it works really well.
I did a quick scan of xda-developers for benchmarking and came across SPB Benchmark (again, I'm not affiliated with SPB!). I'll give that a run and let you know. I don't know if there are other benchmark tests worth looking at?

Hello,
You can look at the technical characteristics of Sunno S880. This smartphone model uses Marvell PXA 310 806 MHz processor but the actual CPU frequency is 624 MHz. The CPU is fast and works well with almost all applications. It can run on Windows Mobile and Android, but for now there is not a complete ROM for Android. The camera is type CMOS sensor, 1944x2592 pixels, 5MP and its quality is not different from the other Sunno Smartphone models. It depends on the environmental light, however, there are different built-in filters that improve the image quality.

Hi infobg,
thanks for that link: the model I has some differences to the one listed:
-cosmetically, the back plate looks distinctly different, while there's a slight difference on the front.
- the device information (as reported by the device itself) states
CPU Model: Marvell PXA310
CPU Speed: 1GHz
So either this is a slightly different model to the one at the link, or the information can be/is faked in WinMob Settings/Device Info.
Could you explain a bit more "for now there is not a complete ROM for Android" - I have a complaint in with my seller because the phone doesn't support Android. Is a ROM due soon, and how could I get it?
Many thanks

Hi Itburns,
the information on the website is actual. We have added a link to the Marvell PXA310 CPU specifications. It runs well up to 624 MHz, so bear in mind that Windows may not show the right information because the equipment information is recorded by the software developer. This CPU generally supports the Android core, but there isn't yet a stable version for it.

It seems we need a benchmark of your phone itburns.
infobg, I've been researching a LOT in the web and there are actually 3 models of this phone. One of them seem to be a fake, another seem to be a old model and the other is the actual model(the one with 806Mhz CPU running at 624mhz)
It seems that the first model was the one with 1Ghz processor.
Itburns, hope we can see your benchmark test soon!
Im looking to buy your s880 model

Sunno S880 Benchmark
Description
The SPB Benchmark software runs a series of separate tests under the following headings:
- Main
- Sorage Cards
- Battery
- Active Sync
Setup:
I skipped the battery test: it involves things like brining it to full power, then allowing it to run out of power, then repeating under different conditions; hadn’t got the patience.
General: - After initiating the test, I didn’t interact with the phone until the tests had run to completion.
- Connections all off: phone, Bluetooth, wifi
- Screen “lightness” set half-way and timeout for dimming set to 15 seconds.
Specific test setup- Main, File – performed with the phone powered by the mains (but with the battery also at 100% power.)
- Active Sync – performed with the phone connected to a HP laptop.
Results:
The Spb Benchmark “visualise results” didn’t work when the combined tests {Main, Storage Card, Active Sync} were in the results file, so I split out the storage card results and uploaded {Main, Active Sync}: it is possible that this could affect some of the cumulative results? Anyway I’ve copied the relevant part of the xml file below for the storage card test.
The comparand (iPaq 3650) has a 206 MHz Intel StrongARM SA-1110 32-bit RISC Processor (source ipaqrepair.co.uk)
- The “Pocket Word” and “Internet Explorer” tests did do something, I could see stuff pop up on the screen (which came alive during the test), so it is possible that the test just failed to grab the results. IT IS POSSIBLE (PROBABLE?) that the cumulative Spb Benchmark index is incomplete or unreliable, given the few failures?
- Note: for some values it would look like a low value is good (File system index?), but the hyperlinks on the spb site to explain the benchmarks seem to be broken, so I cannot be sure.
Spb Benchmark Indices
Spb Benchmark index: 463.21 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
CPU index: 2657.1 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
File system index: 183.66 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
Graphics index: 2018.77 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
ActiveSync index: 13219.63 (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
Platform index: insufficient number of tests were done. (iPAQ 3650 scored 1000)
Main test results:
Test Time Speed % of iPAQ 3650* speed
Write 1 MB file :527 ms 1945 KB/sec 245%
Read 1 MB file : 121 ms 8.27 MB/sec 45%
Copy 1 MB file : 563 ms 1819 KB/sec 230%
Write 10 KB x 100 files : 3182 ms 322 KB/sec 57%
Read 10 KB x 100 files : 422 ms 2.37 MB/sec 37%
Copy 10 KB x 100 files : 3425 ms 299 KB/sec 63%
Directory list of 2000 files : 1280 ms 1.56 thousands of files/sec 1%
Internal database read : 510 ms 1962 records/sec 466%
Graphics test: DDB BitBlt : 16.5 ms 60.6 frames/sec 225%
Graphics test: DIB BitBlt : 85.7 ms 11.7 frames/sec 86%
Graphics test: GAPI BitBlt : 1 ms 1000 frames/sec 464%
Pocket Word document open : error
Pocket Internet Explorer HTML load : error
Pocket Internet Explorer JPEG load : error
File Explorer large folder list : 3346 ms 598 files/sec 116%
Compress 1 MB file using ZIP : 3106 ms 326 KB/sec 308%
Decompress 1024x768 JPEG file : 292 ms 961 KB/sec 301%
Arkaball frames per second : 2.86 ms 350 frames/sec 323%
CPU test: Whetstones MFLOPS : 2995 ms 0.124 Mop/sec 269%
CPU test: Whetstones MOPS : 722 ms 87.3 Mop/sec 256%
CPU test: Whetstones MWIPS : 6238 ms 8.02 Mop/sec 269%
Memory test: copy 1 MB using memcpy : 7.01 ms 143 MB/sec 203%
ActiveSync: upload 1 MB file : 870 ms 1177 KB/sec 1022%
ActiveSync: download 1 MB file : 375 ms 2730 KB/sec 2906% ​<storagecard-tests>
<storagecard-test card-name="Storage Card">
<sc-largefilewrite>1224.800000</sc-largefilewrite>
<sc-largefileread>372.700000</sc-largefileread>
<sc-largefilecopyto>592.300000</sc-largefilecopyto>
<sc-largefilecopyfrom>634.800000</sc-largefilecopyfrom>
<sc-manyfileswrite>5391.400000</sc-manyfileswrite>
<sc-manyfilesread>606.800000</sc-manyfilesread>
<sc-manyfilescopyto>4347.700000</sc-manyfilescopyto>
<sc-manyfilescopyfrom>2888.800000</sc-manyfilescopyfrom>
<sc-dirlisting>212.700000</sc-dirlisting>
</storagecard-test>
<storagecard-test card-name="built in storage">
<sc-largefilewrite>524.200000</sc-largefilewrite>
<sc-largefileread>122.100000</sc-largefileread>
<sc-largefilecopyto>560.700000</sc-largefilecopyto>
<sc-largefilecopyfrom>564.100000</sc-largefilecopyfrom>
<sc-manyfileswrite>3326.100000</sc-manyfileswrite>
<sc-manyfilesread>358.300000</sc-manyfilesread>
<sc-manyfilescopyto>3336.100000</sc-manyfilescopyto>
<sc-manyfilescopyfrom>3571.600000</sc-manyfilescopyfrom>
<sc-dirlisting>1226.000000</sc-dirlisting>
</storagecard-test>
</storagecard-tests>

Sunno S880 Benchmark - Second test
CORRECTION: In my first posting, I said that the S880 doesn't have a built-in stylus, but I have since found it! It is very neatly hidden in the bottom right of the phone.
Ok, I've now run SKTools' benchmark. There seems to be quite a variation in the results on different runs of the tests, so this is only a snapshot and may not indicate the best or worst performance of the S880. The SKTools results usefully provide results from other phones: in the results below, I've also given results for the Touch Diamond (528MHz), Samsung Omnia II (800MHz) and HDC Touch HD2 (1GHz). Mhz250, I took a look at the video on china mobile com and the form factor of the model matches my own.
Setup as before:
- phone plugged into mains
- connections off (bluetooth, phone, wifi)
- Screen lightness mid-way, with a timeout of 15 seconds
Results:
Integer: 347 Moves / 25usec :
Compare with: 331 HTC Touch Diamond (528MHz)
530 Samsung Ominia II (800Mhz)
813 HTC HD2 (1 GHz)
Floating point: 8.751
Compare with: 7.64 HTC Touch Diamond
11.40 Samsung Omia II
19.71 HTC HD2
Ram Access: 929
Compare with: 472 HTC Touch Diamond
795 Samsung Omia II
1445 HTC HD2
Draw Bitmaps: 1262
Compare with: 765 HTC Touch Diamond
1621 Samsung Omia II
1135 HTC HD2
Main storage (write): 1901
Compare with: 14698 (!!?) HTC Touch Diamond
3750 Samsung Omia II
4983 HTC HD2
Main storage (read): 5003
Compare with: 16786 (!!?) HTC Touch Diamond
9480 Samsung Omia II
63340 (!!?) HTC HD2

Sunno S880 Conclusions: Steer clear!
So, up to now I've been recording first impressions and also benchmarks. Now that I've had some time to use the Sunno S880 as a phone, it is worth adding: it's rubbish.
a) call quality is very poor - those calling me hear an echo of themselves and also complain that it's very hard to make out what I'm saying. So if you don't want to be continually be repeating yourself, avoid.
b) the phone continually loses signal, often mid call. And I'm not talking about areas of "poor reception", this happens in our capital city.
Additionally: battery life is very short, I was getting a drop of about 50% overnight with light usage (about two-three calls, 5 mins playing mah jong).
In the end, I had to cut my losses and buy the cheapest big-brand phone that I could live with, so I got a Samsung Tocco Lite. Although I'm no fan of its software interface, the call quality on the Tocco is crystal clear and there's none of the loss of signal that I was experiencing with the S880.
So I'd have to conclude: avoid the Sunno S880.

Sunno s880 pro
Hi everybody
I would like to give you my feed back about the Sunno S880pro.
First I bought this mobile phone to the website Mobino1, the shipping was fast.
1-My first surprise was that the package was a bulk ,not in a nice packet (like the samsung phone).
2-The phone in itself is nice , the screen also.
3-The problems comes when I wanted to use the phone.
The wireless, bluethoot and phone network are not stabile, I have always disconnections. An When a use the wireless, bluethoot the Battery discharges very quickly.
The Big Problem is that I cannot make a call and send SMS With the Mobile phone company "BASE" (in Belgium). So with friends we tested with anothers Mobile phone Company " Mobistar" & "Proximus",In this case the calling work well.
So I decided to change my subscription to Mobistar.
To my big surprise after two days the disconnection problems come back again.
I still have the problem actually.
I try in vain to find another ROM for this phone ,but I have not found.
If someone has the program, I m interested to have.
thank you for your understanding
sorry for my poor english
Emmanuel

AGPS Patch - Need some testers for Official support

Well, my goal for the upcoming v2.0 of my aGPS Patch is to bring support to five more devices. This is one of the devices I selected!
I'm looking for some testers to see if the patch will effectively work.
It simply replaces gps.conf in /etc/ to be much better performing.
You can download v1.3 by clicking here.
To install, use Root Explorer or ES File Explorer to copy the new one over. Reboot. Give GPS a try! I recommend GPS Status. If your device uses ClockWork Recovery, you can simply flash the ZIP.
A reference thread can be seen at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1250226.
Also, I'd love for someone to send me the gps.conf currently on their device.
Thank you for assisting me in the determination if this version works.

trying now!
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taking it on the road, i'll post back

wha...? What's your basis for making such radical additions to gps.conf? And documentation as to why?
Even Nexus S gps.conf is only 6 lines of code!

Rrryan2 said:
wha...? What's your basis for making such radical additions to gps.conf? And documentation as to why?
Even Nexus S gps.conf is only 6 lines of code!
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My basis was a faltering GPS on my two devices and got sick of waiting forever for locks and/or loss of locks while traveling.
I've discussed the as to why plenty of times. There are a number of variables that some chipsets have available for better and faster aGPS locks.
Also, the stock gps.conf for every device thus far has failed to align pools and xtra servers for best performance. I do that based on results of some scripts I made on one of my Linux servers. So, I adjust them according to response times.
A lot of custom ROM's forget about variables and support that some phones needed. So, I put them back in. If the variable is not used on a particular model, it will be ignored by the GPS unit.
And, I'll be making a big surprise boost for everyone's performance in two releases.
That's all I have to say, my press secretary will be glad to answer your questions. By that I mean I will be answering more questions as always.

tried it out yesterday on my way to work.
took under 30 seconds to lock every time.
it took about a minute or two to 'warm up' to me driving but once it did, it was down to 1m accuracy which i've never gotten before on any of my captivate devices
on this device, i've never even had lock!
very nice! more people need to try!

downloaded, installed, and testing.

Read other forum. Looks promising! I have the first build 1007, which is known to have major issues. CM7 (as of April) and every other ROM I have tried never improved accuracy. I have tried every modem up to two months ago (stopped using i9000 ROMs). There was a i9000 modem that improved locks, but it hindered wifi/radio. Since the chips are atop one another I assumed that the issue is hardware specific, with modem formware simply changing power sharing and static interference.
I will install and see if it works after it gathers some location info for a while.
Edit: Can I simply backup and then replace my original gps file in /etc folder with yours? Thanks!

I installed it, seemed to lock faster but did not see any improvement in the accuracy, I am running CM7 latest nightly build. With the modified file it got a fine location lock faster but then it jumped around a lot. I tested it using a Adobe Air mapping application I built for GIS mapping.

snowake said:
Edit: Can I simply backup and then replace my original gps file in /etc folder with yours? Thanks!
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You can do that, sure thing!
quick6black said:
I installed it, seemed to lock faster but did not see any improvement in the accuracy, I am running CM7 latest nightly build. With the modified file it got a fine location lock faster but then it jumped around a lot. I tested it using a Adobe Air mapping application I built for GIS mapping.
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What do you mean by jumping around? I do know that CM7 nightlies have had some problems with GPS lately. They removed some important code to let aGPS work properly. I'm not sure that could explain jumping around though.

My indicated accuracy was bouncing from 16 to 65 feet on GPS Status program. that may be what he meant by jumping around?
First lock was 14sec though.
Haven't been able to drive around yet to try much more than a quick look.
Running CM7 with nightly 123
The good news is it didn't seem to do any damage, everything still works at least about the same as before.

FireRaider said:
My indicated accuracy was bouncing from 16 to 65 feet on GPS Status program. that may be what he meant by jumping around?
First lock was 14sec though.
Haven't been able to drive around yet to try much more than a quick look.
Running CM7 with nightly 123
The good news is it didn't seem to do any damage, everything still works at least about the same as before.
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Jumping occurs when a specific sat goes in and out. I get that in my flat with my case on. Otherwise it levels out between 9 & 13 ft.
If anyone can test with a different ROM and kernel?
Sent from my HTC Desire HD A9191 using XDA App

Care to explain a little more about how this AGPS patch helps?
I don't know how new you are to the Captivate world, but we've had countless threads around here about GPS performance.
AFAIK, all of these "tweaks" are really just messing with the AGPS settings, and at VERY most all that will do is slightly increase TTFF (time to first fix). It won't have any impact at all on tracking or strength of lock. And further, DaG a long while back basically ran through every piece of opensource/publicly configurable settings that exist on the Captivate. And through a whole bunch of research and discussing, it was decided that properly configuring your device to use the AT&T GSM spec-conforming AGPS system was the best thing to do.
So how exactly does your "patch" compare to that? And sorry if you find this a bit abrasive, but again, there has been over a year of "miracle fixes" that tend to do not a whole lot...

Shammyh said:
Care to explain a little more about how this AGPS patch helps?
I don't know how new you are to the Captivate world, but we've had countless threads around here about GPS performance.
AFAIK, all of these "tweaks" are really just messing with the AGPS settings, and at VERY most all that will do is slightly increase TTFF (time to first fix). It won't have any impact at all on tracking or strength of lock. And further, DaG a long while back basically ran through every piece of opensource/publicly configurable settings that exist on the Captivate. And through a whole bunch of research and discussing, it was decided that properly configuring your device to use the AT&T GSM spec-conforming AGPS system was the best thing to do.
So how exactly does your "patch" compare to that? And sorry if you find this a bit abrasive, but again, there has been over a year of "miracle fixes" that tend to do not a whole lot...
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For those having issues with bouncing or a range in error on devices... I would recommend trying the "alternate world patch" to see if that alleviates the bouncing assuming it's related to a glitch in some GPS units.
Yes, I use the similar tactics in the gps.conf. AT&T, and WWE ROM's, typically don't have a fully configured gps.conf. I added variables that are actually supported. However, I plan to drop some variables because they only assist with older devices and not many of us keep those around when we can upgrade again.
Also, I use my co-located Linux servers to monitor NTP pool and XTRA server response times. I modified to get the best all-around attainment that way.
I don't know of these other people and have not seen their patches. I have had over 30,000 downloads and not even 2% negative response. Those who get grumpy failed to follow directions and are resolved one they are pointed back to the notes section or something like that.
I'll be introducing a "surprise" in v3.0 and that won't be discussed until it's time. I've had my work ripped by a lot of people and "slightly" modified without giving credit. I'd like to keep this one under wraps as best as possible.

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You can do that, sure thing!
What do you mean by jumping around? I do know that CM7 nightlies have had some problems with GPS lately. They removed some important code to let aGPS work properly. I'm not sure that could explain jumping around though.
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I was following it on a map and the gps marker was jumping around maybe 15-20 feet around my real location. It was jumping east to west as time progressed, kept the gps active for maybe 60 seconds. With the stock gps file as the accuracy increased the gps marker which was south of my real location, slowly moved north in small increment.

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I was following it on a map and the gps marker was jumping around maybe 15-20 feet around my real location. It was jumping east to west as time progressed, kept the gps active for maybe 60 seconds. With the stock gps file as the accuracy increased the gps marker which was south of my real location, slowly moved north in small increment.
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If I understand you correctly, it's jumping and off-base when it's patch and when it's stock. If that is true, this lends credence to reports that CM has messed up the aGPS capabilities. Seems to be a standard issue the past few days with their latest builds. Luckily, a user dug into it for me and showed the code issues where CM is messing up by not allowing aGPS to function.
Let's hope they fix it!

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Also, the stock gps.conf for every device thus far has failed to align pools and xtra servers for best performance. I do that based on results of some scripts I made on one of my Linux servers. So, I adjust them according to response times.
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Your understanding of how pool.ntp.org works seems incomplete. 0.pool, 1.pool etc. point to random sets of servers that change hourly. As such, you can't just "align" them based on response and expect to get reliable, reproducible improvement going forward.
Xtra.bin is not used on the Captivate and is not ever downloaded. Even if you manually download it, it just gets discarded as corrupted. In any case, lto2.dat (valid for 7 days) > xtra.bin (24 hours).
A lot of custom ROM's forget about variables and support that some phones needed. So, I put them back in. If the variable is not used on a particular model, it will be ignored by the GPS unit.
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Here's the complete stock gps.conf from the Samsung Nexus S, an 'AOSP' device that's a close relative to the Captivate and uses the same Broadcom BCM4751 chip:
Code:
NTP_SERVER=north-america.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_1=http://xtra1.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_2=http://xtra2.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_3=http://xtra3.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
SUPL_HOST=supl.google.com
SUPL_PORT=7276

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Your understanding of how pool.ntp.org works seems incomplete. 0.pool, 1.pool etc. point to random sets of servers that change hourly. As such, you can't just "align" them based on response and expect to get reliable, reproducible improvement going forward.
Xtra.bin is not used on the Captivate and is not ever downloaded. Even if you manually download it, it just gets discarded as corrupted. In any case, lto2.dat (valid for 7 days) > xtra.bin (24 hours).
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Thanks for the input. Not having the device, I did not know the bin was out of the running. That's why I started the thread!!!
As far as pools, I'll check into that more thoroughly. I'm not in full agreement, but 24 hours of logging nslookup may change that and prove your point.

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As far as pools, I'll check into that more thoroughly. I'm not in full agreement, but 24 hours of logging nslookup may change that and prove your point.
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From http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.html :
"The 0, 1 and 2.pool.ntp.org names point to a random set of servers that will change every hour."​
What's not to agree with?
24 hours of lookup logs to randomly assigned servers will be exactly that, and won't be able to predict what performance will be like over the next 24 hours of randomly assigned server groups.
Here's a quick dump of a few pings to 1.pool.ntp.org conducted just a few minutes apart:
Code:
>ping 1.us.pool.ntp.org
Pinging 1.us.pool.ntp.org [204.9.136.253] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 204.9.136.253: bytes=32 time=365ms TTL=50
Reply from 204.9.136.253: bytes=32 time=363ms TTL=50
Reply from 204.9.136.253: bytes=32 time=356ms TTL=50
Reply from 204.9.136.253: bytes=32 time=346ms TTL=50
Ping statistics for 204.9.136.253:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 346ms, Maximum = 365ms, Average = 357ms
>ping 1.us.pool.ntp.org
Pinging 1.us.pool.ntp.org [67.18.187.111] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 67.18.187.111: bytes=32 time=307ms TTL=48
Reply from 67.18.187.111: bytes=32 time=210ms TTL=48
Reply from 67.18.187.111: bytes=32 time=102ms TTL=48
Reply from 67.18.187.111: bytes=32 time=156ms TTL=48
Ping statistics for 67.18.187.111:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 102ms, Maximum = 307ms, Average = 193ms
>ping 1.us.pool.ntp.org
Pinging 1.us.pool.ntp.org [173.193.227.67] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 173.193.227.67: bytes=32 time=687ms TTL=46
Reply from 173.193.227.67: bytes=32 time=573ms TTL=46
Reply from 173.193.227.67: bytes=32 time=638ms TTL=46
Reply from 173.193.227.67: bytes=32 time=705ms TTL=46
Ping statistics for 173.193.227.67:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 573ms, Maximum = 705ms, Average = 650ms
Note that 1.us.pool.ntp.org resolves to a different IP each time, and avg. ping times vary accordingly. An hour from now, it will resolve to a different set of servers/IPs.
Arranging 0.pool, 1.pool etc. into some arbitrary order isn't going to accomplish anything.

Rrryan2 said:
From http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.html :
"The 0, 1 and 2.pool.ntp.org names point to a random set of servers that will change every hour."​
What's not to agree with?
24 hours of lookup logs to randomly assigned servers will be exactly that, and won't be able to predict what performance will be like over the next 24 hours of randomly assigned server groups.
Here's a quick dump of a few pings to 1.pool.ntp.org conducted just a few minutes apart:
Code:
>ping 1.us.pool.ntp.org
Pinging 1.us.pool.ntp.org [204.9.136.253] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 204.9.136.253: bytes=32 time=365ms TTL=50
Reply from 204.9.136.253: bytes=32 time=363ms TTL=50
Reply from 204.9.136.253: bytes=32 time=356ms TTL=50
Reply from 204.9.136.253: bytes=32 time=346ms TTL=50
Ping statistics for 204.9.136.253:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 346ms, Maximum = 365ms, Average = 357ms
>ping 1.us.pool.ntp.org
Pinging 1.us.pool.ntp.org [67.18.187.111] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 67.18.187.111: bytes=32 time=307ms TTL=48
Reply from 67.18.187.111: bytes=32 time=210ms TTL=48
Reply from 67.18.187.111: bytes=32 time=102ms TTL=48
Reply from 67.18.187.111: bytes=32 time=156ms TTL=48
Ping statistics for 67.18.187.111:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 102ms, Maximum = 307ms, Average = 193ms
>ping 1.us.pool.ntp.org
Pinging 1.us.pool.ntp.org [173.193.227.67] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 173.193.227.67: bytes=32 time=687ms TTL=46
Reply from 173.193.227.67: bytes=32 time=573ms TTL=46
Reply from 173.193.227.67: bytes=32 time=638ms TTL=46
Reply from 173.193.227.67: bytes=32 time=705ms TTL=46
Ping statistics for 173.193.227.67:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 573ms, Maximum = 705ms, Average = 650ms
Note that 1.us.pool.ntp.org resolves to a different IP each time, and avg. ping times vary accordingly. An hour from now, it will resolve to a different set of servers/IPs.
Arranging 0.pool, 1.pool etc. into some arbitrary order isn't going to accomplish anything.
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No worries. I may just make my own pooling! I'm prone to do stupid things like that with my time.

Should stock gps settings be used?
(standalone, www.spirent-lcs.com, 7275)
Or
(ms based, supl.google.com, 7276)?
Here is captivates stock gps.conf
NTP_SERVER=north-america.pool.ntp.org
XTRA_SERVER_1=http://xtra1.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_2=http://xtra2.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
XTRA_SERVER_3=http://xtra3.gpsonextra.net/xtra.bin
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[Q] Is it possible to do cloud computing among smartphones?

This is what i am thinking.
So many people are now using smartphones. and of course, most of them are connected to internet, via Wifi or via 2/3/4G or via LTS.
And most of them are with CPU of at least 0.5 GHz and RAM of 256 MB (mine is 1GHz and 512 MB).
So if all the phones are connected in parallel, it would be a super giant mobile cloud SUPERCOMPUTER.
This could be very useful. for example, with the superfast internet, i could run apps that my phone is not strong enough to run fluently.
scientists can compute with the app quick and fast. antivirus app could do cloud virus scan within a minute...
So is it possible to write an app for building such a cloud network amond androids, wm and even iPhones?
And if it is possible, what would be the difficulties?

Theoretically - sure it's possible, check the setiathome.berkeley.edu project for PCs.
Practically - battery capacity is too small to do computing for a long time. You will be able to do it only if your device is connected to power source.