Hi all... please forgive my noob question. I'm trying to determine my next move on the WM6 upgrade saga.
Short story: CNG750v1.13 -> ROWv2.23 (WM6) a while back.
Did this because I don't want the ATT apps they want me to have, and are totally useless. I want the space back.
Now, considering upping again to the official ATT ROM. Still don't want the extra junk. I've read through and understand the threads/posts talking about the extended ROM, the cappackage.pxp file, etc. So I've got what I need to do this. That's not the question
I don't understand the memory architecture, and how this saves me space if I delete or modify what cappackage.pxp is in the extended rom after the upgrade to the ATT v2.25 rom. All the ATT junk will be there wasting space in my Program Memory, right? Or does the phone manage both the main "user" flash, and the extended rom flash, as a single logical volume? And extract from cappackage.pxp on the fly to run apps?
Or is that package extracted in full and the apps copied into the "user" flash (thereby taking the space)? If so, then how does nuking anything off the extended rom gain storage space (other than the fact that after hacking the registry, I can see it now with File Manager, and can read/write from it)?
I'm confused.
If I follow your question, then the space is gained after a hard reset. When you've cleaned the ExtROM as desired, then that "crap" no longer exists to be installed therefore you gain space in both the ExtROM (no longer "stored there for installation) and "Main" (not extracted and installed). Program memory remains unaffected (other than the gain from NOT having those programs running).
tmknight said:
If I follow your question, then the space is gained after a hard reset. When you've cleaned the ExtROM as desired, then that "crap" no longer exists to be installed therefore you gain space in both the ExtROM (no longer "stored there for installation) and "Main" (not extracted and installed). Program memory remains unaffected (other than the gain from NOT having those programs running).
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Thanks!
I think part of my misunderstanding is in when these apps get installed. Are they only installed on-demand? I.e. there's a link in main storage memory, and when you click it, the actual app (and any extra files needed) are extracted from the cappackage.pxp archive in extened rom?
If so, then am I right that I really don't have any space to recover from storage memory if I don't try to run those applications, right?
Otherwise, I don't get how the space in Storage Memory is recovered, unless the installed apps are somehow marked and managed in a special way by the OS to delete them if the cappackage is nuked.
Also, I'm guessing that once unlocked, it's okay to use the extended ROM for my own storage purposes?
Close. They're installed on any initial boot after a hard reset.
Repeat: If it's in the ExtRom, it's loaded on hard reset and taking up space, whether or not you actually use it.
Here's a link to an edited CapPackage (Thanks again, Nableezy), that's taken out most of the bloatware. If you're unsure of how to use it, search the forums, or PM me.
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Thanks!
I think part of my misunderstanding is in when these apps get installed. Are they only installed on-demand? I.e. there's a link in main storage memory, and when you click it, the actual app (and any extra files needed) are extracted from the cappackage.pxp archive in extened rom?
If so, then am I right that I really don't have any space to recover from storage memory if I don't try to run those applications, right?
Otherwise, I don't get how the space in Storage Memory is recovered, unless the installed apps are somehow marked and managed in a special way by the OS to delete them if the cappackage is nuked.
Also, I'm guessing that once unlocked, it's okay to use the extended ROM for my own storage purposes?
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Also, if you're interested in exploring/modifiying your own CapPackage, see HERE
Cheers
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Close. They're installed on any initial boot after a hard reset.
Repeat: If it's in the ExtRom, it's loaded on hard reset and taking up space, whether or not you actually use it.
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Okay, so I'm back to square one with my confusion... After doing a upgrade with the official ROM release, this stuff is expanded and installed in Storage Memory, so no space gets saved if cappackage.pxp is deleted from the extended rom after successfully completing the upgrade, it seems to me, if I'm understanding this.
I read the threads on unlocking the rom and deleting the cappackage.pxp file. This seems to me to be "too late". Sorry to be so thick-headed, but I'm missing something critical here.
If the CapPackage is deleted before a hard reset, it cannot be installed into your storage memory, and therefore cannot take up space.
Remember: You must do a hard reset after deleting the CapPackage, otherwise, no space will be saved.
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Okay, so I'm back to square one with my confusion... After doing a upgrade with the official ROM release, this stuff is expanded and installed in Storage Memory, so no space gets saved if cappackage.pxp is deleted from the extended rom after successfully completing the upgrade, it seems to me, if I'm understanding this.
I read the threads on unlocking the rom and deleting the cappackage.pxp file. This seems to me to be "too late". Sorry to be so thick-headed, but I'm missing something critical here.
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Phil750 said:
If the CapPackage is deleted before a hard reset, it cannot be installed into your storage memory, and therefore cannot take up space.
Remember: You must do a hard reset after deleting the CapPackage, otherwise, no space will be saved.
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DOH! Smack head! Trust me, gang, I really do have an IQ greater than 100
I was just looking over Tim's post with the instructions in his thread and actually paid attention to step 8, and it all fell in to place.
Got it now.
I'm off to bump up to the official 2.25 rom, mount and unlock the extended rom, put Tim's package in there (it's just about exactly what I want), and hard reset.
Thanks everyone for clearing the fog from my head on this.
Bingo. Happy reloading.
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Hi, I'm looking for more info on how the memory is partitioned between storage and programs. I don't quite understand how a hard reset is equivalent to a reinstall, and how it works.
Is there a site or book with more information on this? Any help or pointer would be greatly appreciated!
a pocketpc have ram and rom
rom is read only memory
the os is located in rom
and storage and application memory is in ram
how much you want to have free for application ram
and how much you want to use as storage is up to you using the memory slider
a hardreset or too long without batt
clear the ram leaving the os which is in rom
as the only thing on the pocketpc
which is why it's the same thing as a reinstall
because all the stuff you put on it are gon
leaving what the maker of the device put in the rom
but with 2005 things have changed a bit
here some of the flash rom is used for storage
and all ram is used for application memory
(though buzz and the lads made it so some of the ram can be used for stroage on older HTC devices which otherwise only have 32MB)
here a hardreset dont mean a reinstall
if you want to clear the device to default you have to format
the storage from inside the bootloader
I think what he meant is the one shown in "Settings"->"Memory"->"Main"
Think of the "Storage" as the hardisk of your PC and "Program" as the RAM of your PC. For WM5, when you soft reset your unit, the "Program" memory will be cleared off and program will be loaded again into this "Program" memory.
As for the "Storage", it is the `hardisk` where you have your OS installed. The OS is kept in the ROM (which I don't think is part of the "Storage"), and it is installed into your "Storage" everytime you perform a hard reset. (e.g. the "Storage" will be wipe clearn upon a hard reset). Anything that you do, e.g. edit file, add contact, etc. will be recorded/saved into this "Storage".
Thanks for the replies. So what I see when I browse the device, including the 'windows' folder, that's a copy of the operating system, and the original master copy is in the ROM?
So theoretically, I could go and delete the whole windows folder, perform a hard reset, and everything would be fine?
Has anyone already tried to see what could be reasonnably removed from the windows folder in order save 'storage' space?
Cheers!
no whats in the windows dir is the os which is stored in the rom
you cant remove things in the rom
no whats in the windows dir is the os which is stored in the rom
you cant remove things in the rom
I'll reply to my own question in order to close this thread and make it useful to others:
(from pocketpcdubai)
The Universal comes with 128MB ROM and 64MB RAM as compared to its predecessors who had the exact opposite.
The 128MB ROM is divided into 2 parts:
1) OS + Extended ROM (around 84MB)
2) Storage (remaining 43.5MB as shown above
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And this:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx
Hi, I had several pictures that I took for my friend, but before I got a chance to send them, my device (XDA IIs) performed a hard reset.
Is there any way to perform a file recovery on the device?
I understand that the memory is shared between storage and running apps, so I havent used the device for anything after it turned back on, so I think there still is a chance of the pictures being on the system.
If there is any way/ any programs that would do it, I would greatly appreciate your suggestions.
Thanks,
RM
Alright, I think there might be a solution
if I use pmemdump of the flashram (or user ram?!), and then raw-write that onto an SD card, I can then use something like Ontrack Easy Recovery in RAW recovery mode.
My next problem is: What is the address of the start of the memory where the files can be kept? And whats the length of memory that I need to dump?
no ram cant be undeleted
when ram is reset the data is lost forever
just lake the ram on your pc if you reset it without saving it's lost
Ok. I thought it was flash ram instead of regular ram...
the only part which is flash on a himalaya with 2003
is the dir called storage
and the extented rom
Hi. I have a 16GB Galaxy S3 with a 16GB Micro SD Card. I had about 1.3GB of storage left on my device when I started to get this "out of space" error. I thought this was stupid as that's still a lot of storage. I deleted some apps, as suggested. I got up to about 1.7GB and it was still giving me the error. I decided to delete NOVA 3, which brought my free space to 3.5GB. For some reason, I'm *still* getting this error. I looked at other solutions, and I thought it would be good to get directory bind to free up some space on the internal memory. The thing is, I still can't install the app that will help get rid of this error because of this error. Pretty dumb. The apk is on my saved on the device and I can get to it via any file manager. Whenever I get the error, it prompts me to delete some more apps (even though 3.5GB is a ton of free space). Please help. Thanks!
Boot into recovery and wipe dalvik cache. Or go into /data/app and see if there is a odex file of the name of the app you are trying to install. If there is then delete it.
I have tried those solutions before and I just tried them again now, but they don't work.
Maybe the partition where apps install to is full?
How do I check that?
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It's time to move pictures, video and downloads to your sd card. It put them in cloud storage or on your pc.
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I would copy what you need to PC and reformat/wipe the internal sd, and system and then Immediately reflash rom. As there will be nothing to boot. :cool
I have copied all that I can to the SD card. The only things I have on my internal storage are apps. I don't have any pictures, music, videos, etc. 3.5GB should definitely be enough space to install this small app.
Something is seriously wrong somehow. I just freed another 2.56GB so that I have 6.1GB free. That's more than half of my storage free. I STILL cannot install any app from the play store or from my local storage.
Something is borked, do what prdog said and it will fix you up.
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Something is borked, do what prdog said and it will fix you up.
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Should I Titanium Backup everything and factory reset? I'm rooted and unlocked. I think that a factory reset would break root and maybe even the unlocked bootloader I have now. Thanks.
How should I proceed?
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How should I proceed?
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Back everything up that you need and Go into recovery and format/wipe Internal card and wipe/format system and reflash. Would not nand restre cause it will put back whatever is bad. There is no special app partition anymore. Can use as much as you have for apps. For some reason it is being blocked from external sources seeing it.
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Back everything up that you need and Go into recovery and format/wipe Internal card and wipe/format system and reflash. Would not nand restre cause it will put back whatever is bad. There is no special app partition anymore. Can use as much as you have for apps. For some reason it is being blocked from external sources seeing it.
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So I could still use TB? How would I re-flash after I wipe the internal card and system? I am currently unlocked, rooted, and running the stock android touchwiz rom. I'm on android 4.1.1. Would I have to re-root and unlock, re-root, or neither after I re-flash? Sorry that I'm asking you questions that are pretty easy. I'm just a relative novice and I don't want to mess my phone up. Thanks!
Could anyone help me with those questions? Thanks.
Could someone explain a bit more thoroughly? Thanks.
It would be much appreciated if someone could describe those steps a bit more clearly.
Skyrocket, rooted, CM10 (older version). Please see attached screenshot showing available memory. Will not update or load new apps. Please reply.
Vincom! You are the king and savior of all skyrocket users. So many thanks for your monumental efforts on our behalf. I would never have had the courage to root my phone without your concise, thorough and voluminous advice. Thank you.
...The best cellphone is the one you have...
Using your file manager go to( /data/log/) you will need to do this as root. In that folder you will probably find a bunch of dump files which are eating up your space. Delete the dump files. I personally changed the permission to read only and never had that problem again
I too am having this problem. I viewed the location suggested using CoolMuster Android Assist program. I only had the trial version son so I'm having to buy the full version to actually delete these dump files. I had only 4 files, but they are rather large. Being a novice at this Android stuff, I have a dumb question. How do you interpret the storage information in the phone settings? I'm seeing that my phone has almost 2 GB of "device" storage, a little over 11.2 GB of "usb" storage and I have a 16 GB SD card. I have moved all possible apps, pictures, videos, etc. to the SD card and phone shows there is almost 10 GB of free usb space. Therefore, I don't understand how I can keep getting these insufficient memory messages when I try to download new apps or even when I try to update existing apps.
use a android 6.x.x rom,
UPDATE : I MANAGED TO FIX THE PROBLEMThe way is to clean format the system via twrp (switch to ext2 and switch to ext4) or something similar, the storage partition will restore to its original state
Hello everybody, recently I decided to check the storage allocation and saw that system is using a large portion of my storage space
Any suggestions ?
Maybe with root you can debloat some useless apps.
eddieleon7pc said:
Hello everybody, recently I decided to check the storage allocation and saw that system is using a large portion of my storage space
Any suggestions ?
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That's a bit strange.
I'm pretty sure, though, that stock apps aren't included here, maybe only core system apps. Because I have disabled a lot of pre-installed apps and the system storage space didn't change that much, only App storage. Mine is currently at 10.26GB, and I'm pretty sure it's been like that out of the box as well, maybe a bit less.
And my cache sits around 500MB.
Either way, go to your settings-apps and disable what you don't use. After that use some sort of a cleaning app, like Clean Master and run it. Just make sure you uninstall it after you're done.
If none of that helps, I'd do a complete format and clean flash via FlashTool, or use xperia companion to repair the software.
40GB for system storage seems a bit extreme. Maybe I'm just not that heavy user, but I don't see how the user can even affect the system storage, apart from cache. Even when updating OTA, I'm pretty sure those downloaded packages get deleted afterwards.
For most of the useless stock apps, you don't need root to disable them, it is not the same as completely removing them while rooted, but it will still free up some storage space and prevent them from running in the background.
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"I'd do a complete format and clean flash via FlashTool, or use xperia companion to repair the software...."
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Brother. I already did that. Nothing changes. The only way is root it and remove ( not only disable ) the apps using titanium backup ( or some program like that ). Don't forget to make a backup from them before remove the apps.
But, i think that this process don't result in alot free space. Maybe when android compile the apk in cache the result naturaly takes this space. I have a 64gb XZ and this issue really annoying me too. If i discovery something i share with you.