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New toshiba g900 successors!!

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/16/toshibas-portege-g910-g920-go-fcc-followup-to-the-g900-super/
What do you guys think?!
Cheers,
San

This just shows how advanced HTC is compared to the rest of the crowd.
I think that the HTC Universal was a much better offering and imagine it is already over 2 years old. Don't see this Toshiba giving anything more than what the universal did except for a GPS.
The small LCD on the outside cover is good as you many not be needing to open the flip to see the caller ID, something we missed on the universal. However I do not see any call accept / reject buttons on the outside. Would this mean that one will have to open the lid to accept or reject a call. If this is so then this would be a great usability issue.

srmz said:
This just shows how advanced HTC is compared to the rest of the crowd.
I think that the HTC Universal was a much better offering and imagine it is already over 2 years old. Don't see this Toshiba giving anything more than what the universal did except for a GPS.
The small LCD on the outside cover is good as you many not be needing to open the flip to see the caller ID, something we missed on the universal. However I do not see any call accept / reject buttons on the outside. Would this mean that one will have to open the lid to accept or reject a call. If this is so then this would be a great usability issue.
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Yes, Universal was great - and still is. There isn't anything real from HTC that would be significantly better than the Universal. (The x7500 is a brick and uses outdated technology - PXA-270...; the Kaiser isn't even VGA and is pretty heavy)
All in all, I REALLY hope the new Toshi models will be SIGNIFICANTLY better than the G900.

Looks like it doesnt have a "flip & twist" option! So has to be used always in clamshell mode? Not too bad because i hardly switch my uni to portrait mode...but it sure is nice to have....
:-/
Argh, looks like the universal is sooo perfect, its hard to find another device like this until HTC decide to make a successor for it
Stupid HTC is busy with Google, and all the other commercial successes like the Touch....they hardly care about all us fanboys out here....they're going for the $$$ and tossing our loyalty down the crap hole :-/
San

My b Toshiba hear this and makes it perfect

dreamtheater39 said:
Looks like it doesnt have a "flip & twist" option! So has to be used always in clamshell mode? Not too bad because i hardly switch my uni to portrait mode...but it sure is nice to have....
:-/
Argh, looks like the universal is sooo perfect, its hard to find another device like this until HTC decide to make a successor for it
Stupid HTC is busy with Google, and all the other commercial successes like the Touch....they hardly care about all us fanboys out here....they're going for the $$$ and tossing our loyalty down the crap hole :-/
San
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Exactly my sentinents. HTC seems to slow down with innovation. No matter - I'll play with my Nokia N95 - it's way better than any WinMo device out there, multimedia & gaming-wise. (Not taking the Dell Axim x51v into account, as far as gaming and 3D is concerned.)

dreamtheater39 said:
Looks like it doesnt have a "flip & twist" option! So has to be used always in clamshell mode? Not too bad because i hardly switch my uni to portrait mode...but it sure is nice to have....
:-/
Argh, looks like the universal is sooo perfect, its hard to find another device like this until HTC decide to make a successor for it
Stupid HTC is busy with Google, and all the other commercial successes like the Touch....they hardly care about all us fanboys out here....they're going for the $$$ and tossing our loyalty down the crap hole :-/
San
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i hear ya about a worthy successor to our Uni's.
i'be been on the lookout for an upgrade for years nows (has it reallyonly been 2 years?), and i'm considering this toshi IF i can't get my hands on something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdMww-LFPik

p3ngwin said:
i hear ya about a worthy successor to our Uni's.
i'be been on the lookout for an upgrade for years nows (has it reallyonly been 2 years?), and i'm considering this toshi IF i can't get my hands on something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdMww-LFPik
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BTW, IMHO, today is the best Universal successor is a HP iPAQ 214 + Nokia N82 / N95 combo

Actually, it does have end/send buttons.
http://www.theunwired.net/media/news/toshiba_portege_g910_half_open2.jpg

Menneisyys said:
BTW, IMHO, today is the best Universal successor is a HP iPAQ 214 + Nokia N82 / N95 combo
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lol well there are plenty of "bits" of devices that would make up a nice successor. i would rather focus on devices that are ACTUALLY going to be released.]that's why the Toshiba, and Qualcomm's "snapdragon" platforms interest me.
it seams the "OMNI" is vapourware and we'd be waiting years for it to be real, although i invite HTC to suprise us all with a suprise release of the fabled device.
i want:
1)a large screen ,preferably make whole front the screen like iphone and "snapdragon prototype", minimum 3.5" size
2)with MINIMUM VGA res
3)full keyboard, that means WITH numbers, what's this no numbers bull****?
oh, and stop with useless key shortcuts like "OK"-"windows key"-"video call"-"I.E."...etc. they are a waste of keyboard space for apps hat can have ON SCREEN SHORTCUTS! no need for hardware buttons.
since when are these apps more important than numbers?
(can you imagine if your desktop PC keyboard had precious little space on the keyboard and the maker decided to omit numbers and make shortcut keys for these kind of apps instead?)
4)GPS
5) 128megs ram, minimum.
6)between 3 and 5 megapixel camera:
(anything else is wasted and doesn't get better picture quality unless the optics are equally good.so make it 3-5 MP and then invest the rest into the optics and CMOS sensor quality)
7)a decent chip/chipset driving the device.
so that it is responsive in desktop apps like today screen, tom tom, web browsing, also acceleration for java, jpeg, camera, etc...all the things HTC promised with Qualcomm msm7X00 chipset.
the O2 XDA Flame has Nvidia GoForce5500 chip and doesn't use it either except for camera stills, not even the video recording/playing uses it let alone accelerating the rest of the device in any way.
my friend has the Flame and my Uni records/plays better movies!
that's it because

Exciting News for everyone!!!

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/what.s-w...ow-wm7-and-wm8-are-going-to-fix-it-333536.php
Very interesting article

Wow, that was a great article! The author hit his points right on the head. Sounds like WM8 will be the one to go for, however who knows how long that will take to come out.
Also, in the meantime HTC has to get their heads out of their asses and release some quality and speedy hardware! What the hell happened to the OMNi, the Universal successor?! There's still not a decent phone that can replace it yet, and the Uni is over 2 years old! On the other hand, the i-Mate Ultimate 9502 looks like a decent piece of hardware (spec-wise) but its ugly as sin and the build quality will most likely be lower than HTC...I also hear that i-Mate is in financial trouble now too...
Oh well, I have finally completed the process of flashing a new WM5 ROM that I'm happy with, and my Uni is working great for now. I just hope that the future looks good for WM8 and HTC...I'll be sitting in my waiting chair for now, to see how this all develops over time.

well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile#Photon_.282009.29
wm7 will be out next year so it could take awhile before wm8 come around

The article is so sad. I have been using WM for years and it does everything I want and more. Every point the guy makes is easily fixable with any task manager, there are heaps or free ones.
A non power user dosen't care if the apps close or not.
Iphone is all about the hype, anything that it does WM has been doing for 10 years.

Thats how I feel too. I have very little problems but a new OS is always exciting. I know I was losing my mind the first time I found Faria's Crossbow for the wizard. That was my first taste of windows mobile 6 and it was great.

I almost wanna check out the ETEN x800. I havent seen any in the states. But im gonna keep my eye out. I love my Herm200 but hey thats got the memory of a 8925 and I think its like 500.

scar45 said:
There's still not a decent phone that can replace it yet, and the Uni is over 2 years old!
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I think I'll go back to the separated-device route. The iPAQ 214 for the workhorse, quality PDA and the Nokia N95 for the phone + GPS + camera + 3D hardware-accelerated gaming machine + HSDPA modem + push mail client.
scar45 said:
On the other hand, the i-Mate Ultimate 9502 looks like a decent piece of hardware (spec-wise)
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Too bad it's only PXA270-based... already outdated. A no-go for me. Why would I buy a non-PXA310-based device in 2008, when the iPAQ 214 already has the new CPU?

@Menneisyys
I think you may have made a tiny error, the iMate 9502 is the ugly one with a Qualcomm MSM7200 processor.

njakobs said:
The article is so sad. I have been using WM for years and it does everything I want and more. Every point the guy makes is easily fixable with any task manager, there are heaps or free ones.
A non power user dosen't care if the apps close or not.
Iphone is all about the hype, anything that it does WM has been doing for 10 years.
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Not to get into a WM vs iPhone debate, but I disagree. I have about every iteration of WM device and still choose the iPhone on a daily basis. I am not really a mac user or care about any of the hype, for me it is simply a great device and os. Yes, WM can do most of the things the iPhone can, but not with anywhere near the same ease of use (i.e. can anyone figure it out), speed (no task manager needed with a 600+Mhz processor) screen clarity (see it in sunlight!), touch screen responsiveness (capacitance vs resistance) accelerometer for auto landscape of the browser, pictures and iPod, and the amazing build quality. I won't even go into the applications and how amazingly intuative they are. To make my Touch XL or Tinity work even close to my iPhone it takes over ten added applications that don't always work together. If you think the iPhone is only hype, you likely have not spent any time with one - it's addicting. My point is simply to state that, as a WM user the iPhone has raised the bar both on the hardware and software side and I hope it is not years before Microsoft and the manufacturers catch up.

2manyphones said:
Not to get into a WM vs iPhone debate, but I disagree. I have about every iteration of WM device and still choose the iPhone on a daily basis. I am not really a mac user or care about any of the hype, for me it is simply a great device and os. Yes, WM can do most of the things the iPhone can, but not with anywhere near the same ease of use (i.e. can anyone figure it out), speed (no task manager needed with a 600+Mhz processor) screen clarity (see it in sunlight!), touch screen responsiveness (capacitance vs resistance) accelerometer for auto landscape of the browser, pictures and iPod, and the amazing build quality. I won't even go into the applications and how amazingly intuative they are. To make my Touch XL or Tinity work even close to my iPhone it takes over ten added applications that don't always work together. If you think the iPhone is only hype, you likely have not spent any time with one - it's addicting. My point is simply to state that, as a WM user the iPhone has raised the bar both on the hardware and software side and I hope it is not years before Microsoft and the manufacturers catch up.
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I guess you are right in a lot of aspects. However, Apple's flaw (and quite possibly the iPhone's downfall) is the lack of capability for the power users. Both my mom and my brother have iPhones so I have had plenty of chances to mess around with them. Not only did I not find it addictive, but after using it for 10 minutes, I just put it down and started messing around with my Blue Angel (now 3 years old and running WM6). I personally consider myself a medium (on the salsa scale ) power user of WM, but after watching a couple of YouTube videos and scrolling through album covers with my fingers while tilting the device back and forward, I started thinking: "well, now what?"
There are numerous advantages of iPhones over WM devices and vice-versa, but the article is mainly comparing the WM interface with the iphone's interface, and that is what this is all about. M$ interfaces have been progressively getting worse over the years (or at least not getting any better), while Apple completely hit a homerun with their interface. This sole fact gave birth to the future of WM. If you do not believe me, check out the "development and hacking" section of this forum and tell me how many new UIs you can see floating around. I personally have 4 in my device (FreeStyle, PointUI, iTask (came out yesterday), and Slither's Cube.
Hopefully, they will be able to do something based on what is out there (i.e. HTC X-Button (true closing any app), PointUI, PocketCM, TCPMP, etc, etc...). But make no mistake, there is a lot to be done to our devices, and hopefully M$ truly knows about it and are planning to do something about it...
Long Live XDA-Devs!!!!

another thing with iphone which may work agenst it in eu and asia is lack of t9 not very fast to write sms's in 10sec
heck here kids write sms's on their phones even in school under the table so the teacher dont take their phones even if the iphone keyboard is easier to use the defualt ms tiny keyboard phone pad and normal phones got a better chance of being used "blindfolded"

I do agree, the WM UI sucks by default and the usability leaves a lot to be desired. The good thing is that almost anything is possible. Luckily HTC and the devs of this site have fixed a huge number of WM flaws. My Touch was pretty usable out of the box. The devs here improved it even more by adding PocketCM for example. I just flashed the Shadow Wm 6.1 rom yesterday and it's damn fast, like having a new phone.
I would like a better browser and a more finger friendly UI. PointUI looks very promising but still has some issues. We'll get there, it just takes a while.
I do think WM has made big improvements over the years though. I remember my first WM phone (Orange SPV, Smartphone 2002), it was the worst phone I ever had although it did have some nice things at the time. I swore I would never ever buy a WM phone again. This summer I fell in love with the Touch and keep tinkering with it.

Rudegar said:
another thing with iphone which may work agenst it in eu and asia is lack of t9 not very fast to write sms's in 10sec.....
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Very good point Rudegar, another reason the iPhone will never fly in Asia is the lack of stylus for writing Chinese characters. MANY people who buy a touchscreen devicedo so exclusively so they can handwrite characters. The iPhone is going to have to change a lot for that to happen. Really, people shouldn;t think about the iPhone so much. It's going to probably never even make it to the asian market, which frankly is such a large market that US iPhone sales don't even make a difference. The real powerhouses are going to continue to be the people who dominate the asian handset markets.

ASUS P565 - 800Mhz, 640x480 VGA, The most powerful smartphone ever!

Hello Everyone, (sorry about the 640x480, it is 480x640)
** EDIT **
Important to note this is in fact a high resolution screen true VGA 480x640
"Unprecedented Clarity with High-resolution Touchscreen "
see here http://7thspace.com/headlines/297795/asus_introduces_fastest_business_pda_phone_in_the_world.html
It does have GPS: SiRF Star III with InstantFix
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428
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Forget the Glaxy7, and the Zest, here is the best, the new, improved, ultra-fast, ultra-amazing... DAADADADAAaaaaa-------
Asus P565 - 800Mhz of raw, powerthirst quenching speed http://www.picnicface.com/videos.php?videoID=12. A VGA 480x640 screen for people who prefer not to go blind, and a headphone jack for eternal happiness.
This is it, at long last, this is what I have been looking for, I am so going to order this baby. It even has a leather wrapped battery lid, it's leather, you know what that is.. class, baby, class. Also, money, probably lots of it too eheheheh.
Ok, check out all of the specs here, http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2634&l1=11&l2=55&l3=526&l4=0, now one thing that is interesting is that it has a true VGA screen, so this makes it not only the fastest XDA ever, it makes it also have the most clearest and beautifulest (not sure if that is a word.. but just go with it.. let it gooo... ) phone ever. The kicker out of all of this is that ... are ya ready... it has.... a capacitive touch screen with the Asus Glide interface, experience glide here http://event.asus.com/mobile/glide/.
On a serious note though, Asus builds it stuff absolutely rock solid, not like HTC in which all of my HTC devices have failed after a year of intensive use (replace the keyboard, replace the screen, the piece of crap litmus paper said it has water damage so they would not fix it under warranty, garbage company, will never buy another HTC device, almost bought the Diamond though, until I read the reviews).
This is it people, this is what has been missing from my life, I have been waiting for a phone from Asus that would kick ass for years, this is it, I am going to buy this, this is my powerthirst quencher http://www.picnicface.com/videos.php?videoID=37, with this phone I will win at everything forever! Now, to find where to buy it?
-Kilihari.
** These are now all the known photos of this device available ... I think **

You know, really, I'd be more interested if you sounded less fanboi-ish. I'm on my second HTC handset without issues on either, so really I just wonder what abuse you do to them - but hey, if that's your style then go nuts for Asus, I personally won't pay the premium though.
But I do wonder what that Glide UI provides that Touchflo (of either flavour) doesn't?
So far I'm seeing "Multiple time-zone clocks" and that's about it. And it's uglier (which is a matter of personal opinion of course)
Edit: Went looking a bit further and, while I've only found one "review" that's not just a spec sheet, Glide on the 552w got panned as "not as slick asTouchflo".

no GPS

only 65000-color ( no VGA ) ???? no GPS ? no keyboard as well ( got used to the wizard and kaiser ) ??? only 128MB RAM ???? ( touchpro has 288 RAM ) ...
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the link before said it doesnt has GPS, but now i can see it has .
the only thing that back me up is , only 128 MB RAM

3 IMPORTANT things:
-Size screen
-Phisical keyboard
-Support form this fantastic site!
Just my opinion
P.d. Great processor
Cheers,

I'd rather have the Glaxy7 with 3.5 inch screen and WVGA GPS etc.
But as someone else pointed out, the thing that would hold me back is that it would not be supported by this fantastic site...
Without it, I would have to work on the basis that I will probably not have an upgrade route to future releases windows mobile.
Offtopic & Probably covered a hundred times before, but why is it just HTC focused, thather that more WinMob focused ?
Zuber

GPS and Fanboy
So I like Asus products.
Anyways, there are about 1000 posts on xda-developers pertaining to the quality of HTC devices. Now, please I think you got my wrong my friend, I absolutely love HTC, I think they have some pretty cool ****, but when I buy a HTC device, I know exactly what I am getting. I am getting something that will not last 6 hours a day of intensive use for two years. I am beyond a abusive/extreme user, I absolutely beat my devices into the ground, I push hard on the keys and I drop my devices on the concrete about once every six months, and I live in Japan, the most humid place on Earth(feels like it anyways). I demand allot from these things and HTC can not deliver under those conditions. I do know the quality of Asus, they do deliver, the paint is melted directly into their plastic so you never see paint chipping off, the warranty is second to none and I have returned devices successfully even when the litmus paper had turned blue and after the warranty expires, their customer support is in my opinion, some of the best in the business. Asus in terms of robust build is absolutely second to none, I should know I was an Asus reseller, I built computers for people and sold all manner of Asus products. The only time I had serious recalls is when I deviated to other products from different motherboard suppliers and computer parts. Asus has rigorous product testing and each one of their motherboards is tested before it leaves the factory. I like Asus and Windows. So shoot me
Beyond that, the new lineup of devices from HTC have problems with the paint flaking off after a few weeks, TouchFLO is beautiful but laggy, and the GPS is laggy something like 20 meters or something (whoops missed a turn) hehehe. The only thing that turns me on to the Touch Diamond and its family of products is the beautiful WVGA screen but the new Asus has an actual VGA screen so, I will wait, and as far as the GPS goes, I got my Garmin Mobile 10 with Bluetooth GPS adapter, so it doesn't mean anything to me.
Fanboy? ME... of course I am, just like you are and the rest of the people here... I try to make my posts amusing so people laugh while reading them, that's all, sorry to have offended you.
mohen said:
only 65000-color ( no VGA ) ???? no GPS ? no keyboard as well ( got used to the wizard and kaiser ) ??? only 128MB RAM ???? ( touchpro has 288 RAM ) ...
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Please read at the very top of the screen, it is right there, it is VGA screen, in fact, this is a true VGA device here. Yes, 65000 color is VGA (I am pretty sure, cuz, damnitt that's what it says in the review, so man, don't be a hater I am just typing what I read in the review! and if i am wrong... well.. don't kill me ehhehee)
Also, the keyboard thing doesn't bother me in the least, having the same capacitive touch screen that the iPhone does, typing on the face should hopefully be a happy experience.

AFAIK Windows Mobile can only use resistive touch screens?

Its real good but the problem is will you be able to get a good support forum for ASUS like xda-developers and that too in English ? I think xda has taken the winmo and specifically the HTC phones to a new height. If you know of a forum then please let us know.

Resistive V.S. Capacitive
Sasimi said:
AFAIK Windows Mobile can only use resistive touch screens?
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No, Windows Mobile can support a capacitive touch screen, it is just the fact that many windows programs make use of on screen hand recognition software which kinda do not work so well with a capacitive touch screen http://discuss.pocketnow.com/showthread.php?threadid=23389. However, this has all changed now with the invention of the Pogo stylus for capacitive touch screens!
This phone should be the ****, checking out further references I don't know where I got the capacitive touch screen from, no where on Asus's site does it say that, I think I must have read it on some website somewhere, I will try to find it again.
parthabhatta said:
Its real good but the problem is will you be able to get a good support forum for ASUS like xda-developers and that too in English ? I think xda has taken the winmo and specifically the HTC phones to a new height. If you know of a forum then please let us know.
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XDA-developers is, in my opinion, one of a kind, there is no other development resource like this on the net, the people who set this up, my had goes off to you my friends. That is why I come on here to talk about this new phone, because the people here might care about it enough to eventually add a category for it... hopefully, but we will see, maybe the phone will suck, who know...

Asus builds it stuff absolutely rock solid, not like HTC
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exactly.
f$%^ HTC and their sad slow poo's..

Sorry, where is the proof the screen is capacitive?
Surur

It has GPS
surur said:
Sorry, where is the proof the screen is capacitive?
Surur
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I am searching damnitt , give me a minute but I did find on Asus's main website that this phone does infact support gps!
mohen said:
only 65000-color ( no VGA ) ???? no GPS ? no keyboard as well ( got used to the wizard and kaiser ) ??? only 128MB RAM ???? ( touchpro has 288 RAM ) ...
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no GPS? where did you get this from, it absolutely supports GPS, it is on the main website, look at it here!
GPS: SiRF Star III with InstantFix
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428

Kilihari I simply love your posts, you provided the greatest laugh for me today. You bash HTC then say you love it then compare its faults to ASUS than come back and say you like HTC again and back and forth and back and forth... I think you need a device made by ASUS and HTC... they can call it ASUHTCS (pronounced A-Sucks) LOL Just my .02 that someone got a little too happy about a device that many know little about which basically means it is set up to fail.
If it is too good to be true... it probably isn't

Kilihari said:
Hello Everyone, (sorry about the 640x480, it is 480x640)
** EDIT **
Important to note this is in fact a high resolution screen true VGA 480x640
"Unprecedented Clarity with High-resolution Touchscreen "
see here http://7thspace.com/headlines/297795/asus_introduces_fastest_business_pda_phone_in_the_world.html
It does have GPS: SiRF Star III with InstantFix
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428
** EDIT **
Forget the Glaxy7, and the Zest, here is the best, the new, improved, ultra-fast, ultra-amazing... DAADADADAAaaaaa-------
Asus P565 - 800Mhz of raw, powerthirst quenching speed http://www.picnicface.com/videos.php?videoID=12. A VGA 480x640 screen for people who prefer not to go blind, and a headphone jack for eternal happiness.
This is it, at long last, this is what I have been looking for, I am so going to order this baby. It even has a leather wrapped battery lid, it's leather, you know what that is.. class, baby, class. Also, money, probably lots of it too eheheheh.
Ok, check out all of the specs here, http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2634&l1=11&l2=55&l3=526&l4=0, now one thing that is interesting is that it has a true VGA screen, so this makes it not only the fastest XDA ever, it makes it also have the most clearest and beautifulest (not sure if that is a word.. but just go with it.. let it gooo... ) phone ever. The kicker out of all of this is that ... are ya ready... it has.... a capacitive touch screen with the Asus Glide interface, experience glide here http://event.asus.com/mobile/glide/.
On a serious note though, Asus builds it stuff absolutely rock solid, not like HTC in which all of my HTC devices have failed after a year of intensive use (replace the keyboard, replace the screen, the piece of crap litmus paper said it has water damage so they would not fix it under warranty, garbage company, will never buy another HTC device, almost bought the Diamond though, until I read the reviews).
This is it people, this is what has been missing from my life, I have been waiting for a phone from Asus that would kick ass for years, this is it, I am going to buy this, this is my powerthirst quencher http://www.picnicface.com/videos.php?videoID=37, with this phone I will win at everything forever! Now, to find where to buy it?
-Kilihari.
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Sorry in your original link (http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2634&l1=11&l2=55&l3=526&l4=0) it had NO GPS but later link it HAD (http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428)

d_dreamer said:
Sorry in your original link (http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=2634&l1=11&l2=55&l3=526&l4=0) it had NO GPS but later link it HAD (http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13428)
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Well you know... ASUS does make those quality products and sometimes the quality is so good that you get random features that pop out of nowhere LOL Just hope it doesn't disappear as fast as it appeared LOL

Being Cool.
neoobs said:
Kilihari I simply love your posts, you provided the greatest laugh for me today. You bash HTC then say you love it then compare its faults to ASUS than come back and say you like HTC again and back and forth and back and forth... I think you need a device made by ASUS and HTC... they can call it ASUHTCS (pronounced A-Sucks) LOL Just my .02 that someone got a little too happy about a device that many know little about which basically means it is set up to fail.
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No no, they could call it "Hot Tech & Asus" HTC could design it, and Asus could build it after they corrected the flaws from the ****ty design team at HTC. It could be perfect!!!! Why Hot? Think about it HT&A, Hot Ti.... ahh.. never mind.. but it would be perfect wouldn't it?
neoobs said:
If it is too good to be true... it probably isn't
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Doooooood, it's soo too good to be true that it will in fact be true. I am actually going to buy this device, unless the Glaxy7 comes out tomorrow and is better for some reason, but I like this device better I think, it is faster, more future proof and .. and .. 800Mhz.. ohhhh... I can finally listen to Slayer A2BT with my cool bluetooth headphones! http://www.motorola.com/consumers/v...nnel=b49932a609e89110VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD. Ohh I am gonna be cooler than I used to be, and damnitt that was pretty cool .

Kilihari said:
Doooooood, it's soo too good to be true that it will in fact be true.
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Read this over again and find the mistake in your theory
Kilihari said:
Ohh I am gonna be cooler than I used to be, and damnitt that was pretty cool .
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If you think you are gonna be cooler just because you have this phone you probably think you will get supermodels by drinking Bud Lite. Power to ya

neoobs said:
Well you know... ASUS does make those quality products and sometimes the quality is so good that you get random features that pop out of nowhere LOL Just hope it doesn't disappear as fast as it appeared LOL
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I hope it came with GPS. I'll buy this one instead of HTC HD. Smaller screen but faster CPU. Less RAM & no extra internal memory . Support from xda-developers.com is a bonus.

Chick Magnet
neoobs said:
If you think you are gonna be cooler just because you have this phone you probably think you will get supermodels by drinking Bud Lite. Power to ya
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What... you crazy man... you don't get supermodels by drinking Bud Lite... you get super models by drinking regular Budweiser, the Lite is for little girliemen. No man... if ya haven't realized, most of what I post is a little ... how to say... expressive and... mostly hyperactively insane... ehhehehe... goes beyond the normal posts... please read my second post to understand further. Yeah, but Budweiser is way more manlier and chicks totally dig that... here in Japan. Dood, do you realize how many chicks I would get if I owned this phone, I would be a hot-Asian-chick magnet... in Japan.
-Kilihari

Realizing why I just can't buy the TG01

I reviewed a few new devices in pdadb.net today and felt jealous.
the TG01 is obviously a stronger device than any HTC device in the market.
There are actually only two reasons to why i can't purchase it (and why i bought an HD second hand from a member of xda-devs). The reasons are that there's no Xda-devs support for non-HTC devices and that the battery is 1000mA (which is nothing less than pathetic).
Being an active member of Xda-devs makes it impossible to even think of other devices (and while it sounds like it's a bad thing, we all know it is impossible to support all devices in the world). the iPhone feels like a joke and while the TG01 feels like god, without software perfection, ROM cooking, direct device support.. theme and skin creation.. modding.. and so forth, I would feel naked having a device which isn't supported by the biggest PDA community in the world.
I wish HTC figured out it's mid 2009 and upgraded.
I mean.. ****.. a 1000Mhz processor is a freaking stable pentium 3 (by the way, the most stable processor ever presented (electronicallywise) is considered to be the pentium 3 1000). Having a 4.1 screen on a device which isn't much larger than the HD.. is very thin... good looking.. is like a dream. If not only for saying I don't have a Qualcomm processor.. i'd get the TG01.
From here on.. it's all tragedy. It's somewhat of an analogy to not being able to buy a perfect device because your network doesn't support it.
To be completely honest, I think it's a disgrace that the Touch HD runs on a 528Mhz processor instead of a 628.. and that the Rhodium and Diamond 2 have the same one.
Anyways.. just pointing out the obvious.
Think of the first device you ever had. Think of how it was before you first got involved with this forum.. and think of the after image.
Think of the second device you bought.. and do the same.
...........the day i stepped into this place, i virtually got married. for bad or for good.
mostly for good.

i kinda feel the same way but i am looking at the new Toshiba model with a keyboard.
well there is always my site.

i'm not buying the Toshiba TG01 cus it a freaking BRICK!
we got to stop buying their freaking BRICK!
otherwise they going to make cellphone BIGGER AND BIGGER!
how about TG01+, it' only .5" bigger, .....at 4.6" screen.
then TG01++, it' only 1" bigger! ............ at 5.6" inches!
then SUPER TG01 only 1.3" bigger!.....at 7" screen!
if we dont stop buying their junk, they going try to sell you a 7" cellphone! haha

All you really miss out on are the roms. Almost everything else is somewhat universal
I agree though, the battery capacity is half of what mine is and the phone is 5 times as fast with a bigger screen. Very lame.

Thickness is more important than the other 2 dimensions, IMO. It's not a brick cuz it's actually thinner than the iphone.

Dont worry future is orange lol
Hi all, hope everyone is well
@ nir36
I wish I could be more appreciative and less critical of the level of elitism that is now being shown by XDA-DEVS but.....its evolution lol
I have been around here since....2003 or something (viewing) - since I got my original SPV and my mate had an original XDA - what a marvel of tech they were lol....and things have swung right around.
I remember being a modaco member and being much more active over there as XDA - DEVS was not such a user forum but more of a dev forum. Buzz lightyear and co made waves and I(we - most people) surfed along - downloaded and experienced as opposed to inputing lol....
Back then HTC were the ONLY (in general) company that made decent PDA's - they were the only company that actually sold them through service providers in the UK and so had a complete strangle hold on the MArket. If you wanted a GSM windows mobile then you had to get an XDA/MDA/SPV - all HTC......
Now things are different in many many ways.
XDA devs is now as much a user forum as a Dev forum.
How many times do you see rude people dissing newbies - dont post here dont ask - Are you stupid why cant you search etc. Pointless elitism. Just help if you can or shutup maybe lol? Of course Ban trolls.....
Also Windows mobile phones are now available from a number of carriers all from different manufacturers......
So, when I got my Omnia (now sold, back to WM 6.5 HTC advantage/N95 8GB combo) I was naturally shocked to hear that XDA were refusing to have a device section for it.....
I was baffled - Omnia is the best small Win mobile device I have ever used in terms of all round ability. It has spot on hardware, very good media capabilities.
Many many users here got one and wanted a device section. It almost destroyed my faith in the device as I realised the level of commaraderie and support would not exist (so I thought)
There were polls and questionaires etc - everyone wanted OMnia to have its own section but it wouldnt come.......
I used to think that HTC paid XDA devs and actually gave us all more rights than others when it came to new builds and ROMS etc.....but now I realise that HTC were the Pioneers and there was no point having a site dealing with win mo specific (not HTC specific) as HTC WERE WINDOWS MOBILE!! When people used to search for Win mo it was either for IPAQ or XDA as that was ALL THERE WAS widely available.
Then I realised that XDA devs is not all there is to the world of Windows Mobile.......there are many many forums with huge numbers of devs all churning out ROMS
So what I am getting to here - is that the hardware should be our driving force! We should get the best hardware wise devices and all work together where - ever we have to and apply the fixes and builds from here - to other devices!!
www.omnia.com (or similar) is a great resource and it willl only get better. I expect the same for all new gen devices. We are the users. We are the drivers. If enough people all buy TG01's and club together to buy one for example CMONEX/MITCHYPRIMA or who ever (someone interested in the device lol) then we will get ROMS and the future is orange.
So get a TG01 (- me too if Omnia HD and N97 are both pointless, I can see no reason to get a touch pro 2 - where is my 3.5"?? Where is my direction pad? - duh!? -)
God damn it we will start a forum together club in buy some devices and flash until I am bored or happy.....
Toshiba and Samsung sales must be looking over here and saying to them selves - this type of community is the future, it drives sales for the platform.
Hopefully a bigger all in one Windows Mobile forum will start somewhere that will garner support from all users here and all other locations.....
We are all getting more out of Windows mobile as we rip from device to device........seems logical the next step is to include all manufactureres....

What I don't like about HTC is thier market policy. I'm not the type who is going to buy an expensive device with an expensive contract. I want to buy my phones from real, authorised distributors, just like I do with all the PC parts I use in the PCs I sell. Getting an HTC device here in Hungary is way too expensive right now.

is there no chance of having a forum dedicated to non-htc devices? because if the superstar can't match up well against the tg01, i'm going with the tg01. and i'd hate to lose this great wealth of knowledge here

Well, nvidia will make sure that snapdragon won't be better (if not then. At least in 3D and watching videos with anything other than WMP
If the community is strong enough it will make it's own forum.

I would buy the TG01, hopefully some other site will support the ROMs for it, but I'm stuck between it and the Omnia HD . . .

netnerd said:
i'm not buying the Toshiba TG01 cus it a freaking BRICK!
we got to stop buying their freaking BRICK!
otherwise they going to make cellphone BIGGER AND BIGGER!
how about TG01+, it' only .5" bigger, .....at 4.6" screen.
then TG01++, it' only 1" bigger! ............ at 5.6" inches!
then SUPER TG01 only 1.3" bigger!.....at 7" screen!
if we dont stop buying their junk, they going try to sell you a 7" cellphone! haha
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That "junk" is, currently, the only phone to have an 1 GHz Snapdragon... Which, in my real-world H.264 decoding tests, have turned out to be at least 50% faster than 624 MHz XScale CPU's. That is, it has a LOT of computing power.

oic0 said:
All you really miss out on are the roms. Almost everything else is somewhat universal
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True. xda devs came pretty handy with my (brrrrr. trying to shake off the memory) LG KS20

Menneisyys said:
That "junk" is, currently, the only phone to have an 1 GHz Snapdragon... Which, in my real-world H.264 decoding tests, have turned out to be at least 50% faster than 624 MHz XScale CPU's. That is, it has a LOT of computing power.
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i just saw some1 on costco wearing Iphone on belt clip, that thing is big, that is not sexy! this TG01 will make u even more ugly! haha

I love big screens! 2.8" VGA screens hurt my eyes, and 3.5-4" is the sweet spot for size versus clarity. A thin device with a small bezel and a 4" wide screen can still fit in a pocket.

eh i kinda like it, sure it is big but i stick my phone in my back pocket so as long as it fits...lol. but really wow it has six more stand by hours than the viva but three less talk time. seems like you would be charging it every day.

netnerd said:
i just saw some1 on costco wearing Iphone on belt clip, that thing is big, that is not sexy! this TG01 will make u even more ugly! haha
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If you like small screens, why not appeal to HTC to make some 2 inch ones specially for you? I think that most of us like bigger screens cuz we're cool like that.

The PPC big screens are great for GPS, Movies, Internet, Touch, Pics, etc...with them I don't have to carry around a PC laptop! That's why the HD, Iphonie, and soon the TGxx are the most popular devices.

netnerd said:
i'm not buying the Toshiba TG01 cus it a freaking BRICK!
we got to stop buying their freaking BRICK!
otherwise they going to make cellphone BIGGER AND BIGGER!
how about TG01+, it' only .5" bigger, .....at 4.6" screen.
then TG01++, it' only 1" bigger! ............ at 5.6" inches!
then SUPER TG01 only 1.3" bigger!.....at 7" screen!
if we dont stop buying their junk, they going try to sell you a 7" cellphone! haha
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I am a fan of clamshell type devices, so having a big device is a trade off. I don't mind a big device as long as it will still fit in a big pocket or pouch. I agree that a 7 inch screen is too big. I believe it should not be bigger than a 5 inch screen, it can be made a little longer though.

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I believe it should not be bigger than a 5 inch screen, it can be made a little longer though.
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I think 5 inch is proably stretching it if you want it as a phone (as in hold it to your ear).
The TG01 is already pushing, but slimness helps. If you had a device same size as TG01 but less of it is border, then you would effectively have 4.5 inch maybe.
Zuber

For those of you who are a bit younger, I should also point out that back in the 90s, ALL devices were HUGE and where weighting more than 1 kilo

help please upgrade from wm5

hi there,
i have xda exec with wm5 on i would like to upgrade it how can i do it?
and what version of firmware can i put on it?

cybercypher said:
hi there,
i have xda exec with wm5 on i would like to upgrade it how can i do it?
and what version of firmware can i put on it?
current version is os5.1.795 build 14847.2.0.0
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You could start by reading Wiki section for Universal, aka XDA Exec, it's an excellent, well written resource and has all the information you could possibly need and all the answers to the questions you could possibly have.
The ROMs you might be interested in can be found in their corresponding sections on this forum, each will have a description and list of things included, as well as comments by other members on performance, problems encountered and solutions.

enigma1nz said:
You could start by reading Wiki section for Universal, aka XDA Exec, it's an excellent, well written resource and has all the information you could possibly need and all the answers to the questions you could possibly have.
The ROMs you might be interested in can be found in their corresponding sections on this forum, each will have a description and list of things included, as well as comments by other members on performance, problems encountered and solutions.
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Hi Enigma1nz,
I was just wondering the other day if you had left us, coz ive not heard of you for a while. Did you get a 128 upgrade?
Regards
Jay

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Hi Enigma1nz,
I was just wondering the other day if you had left us, coz ive not heard of you for a while. Did you get a 128 upgrade?
Regards
Jay
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I am here, of course, where else would I be, hehe. I had my 128Mb for a while, just nothing new came out lately and I resorted to the best combination of ROM+SPB MS3.5+Opera10b and other bits and pieces, the trick was to find the combo where everything worked. Besides, I purchased a semi-broken LG KS20 running WM6.1 and played with that for a while - not bad, especially considering 128/256, but still a far cry from Uni.

Not sure where the Uni is heading now, but it is starting to fade out a bit. I renewed my contract with t-mobile last year and I took a G1 the andriod based machine. Well its good but.......just not got that something that makes a great machine. its got all the features to make it a great machine, and it does as its told, but it spends more time on the side than with a sim card in it. which Rom have you settled with in the end? I liked tomals 8.71, its well finished and it all works. its a shame SRS wow doesn't work on it, coz I like that prog a lot.
Regards
Jay

responderman said:
Not sure where the Uni is heading now, but it is starting to fade out a bit. I renewed my contract with t-mobile last year and I took a G1 the andriod based machine. Well its good but.......just not got that something that makes a great machine. its got all the features to make it a great machine, and it does as its told, but it spends more time on the side than with a sim card in it. which Rom have you settled with in the end? I liked tomals 8.71, its well finished and it all works. its a shame SRS wow doesn't work on it, coz I like that prog a lot.
Regards
Jay
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The thing about SPB MS, as I mentioned more times than I care to be reminded ofmad, is that it removed the necessity for a flash looking ROM, so pretty much any Vanilla is fine, even WM5, if one is keen to keep VC. I had a great time with Tomal's 8-series, in particular 8.2, 8.5 and 8.9, but there were other conflicts, especially with Opera betas, I really liked the look of 10 and it appeared to be somewhat less problematic compatibility-wise than 9.5 and I didn't like 9.7. So once the Opera issue was settled - the rest was a smooth sailing.
As far as SRS WOW is concerned - Tomal's 8.2 was the last version it was running on i think...(have to check on that, not 100%), for other ROMs there is a patched Tomal's version.

I would dearly love for HTC to reconsider the return of the same form factor and size (funny, how so many people were against it in the first place) with updated specs to handle the pressure. Would be a winner for me. These days I tell everyone I have a MINI NETBOOK!!!! with touch screen/pad fold/phone capabilities and they want to cry with envy. All it needs is Shift's specs.
The unfortunate news for those keen on WM7 is that the platform will not support anything made for its predecessors, rendering pretty much everything done so far obsolete within a very short period of time. Only limited support for 6.5 will be offered by Microsoft.

enigma1nz said:
I would dearly love for HTC to reconsider the return of the same form factor and size (funny, how so many people were against it in the first place) with updated specs to handle the pressure. Would be a winner for me. These days I tell everyone I have a MINI NETBOOK!!!! with touch screen/pad fold/phone capabilities and they want to cry with envy. All it needs is Shift's specs.
The unfortunate news for those keen on WM7 is that the platform will not support anything made for its predecessors, rendering pretty much everything done so far obsolete within a very short period of time. Only limited support for 6.5 will be offered by Microsoft.
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Its funny how a different discription will sell an object. I was a joiner for my main job, and I was fitting a lady's window and she didn't want me to secure it with screws. she wanted it nailing in (lord knows why) anyway I told her I would secure it with threaded steel dowls (screws) and she was over the moon. so your mini notebook idea doesn't supprise me at all.
I gave up on spb ms as it eats a 64 mb memory to much, but I have plans to upgrade the memory so will go back to it. I recon HTC are following fashon with their phones, they all are the same thing, and one day we may end up with a return to the notebook style. I once bought a wvga tosheba 900, it was the worst pda I have ever owned. It wouldn't even play a video well, so I got a refund. So here I stay with my Uni and my Athena (now that is a big PDA) I seem to remember not having much joy with the srs wow patch, it did funny things to the camera and sound.
Regards
Jay

responderman said:
Its funny how a different discription will sell an object. I was a joiner for my main job, and I was fitting a lady's window and she didn't want me to secure it with screws. she wanted it nailing in (lord knows why) anyway I told her I would secure it with threaded steel dowls (screws) and she was over the moon. so your mini notebook idea doesn't supprise me at all.
I gave up on spb ms as it eats a 64 mb memory to much, but I have plans to upgrade the memory so will go back to it. I recon HTC are following fashon with their phones, they all are the same thing, and one day we may end up with a return to the notebook style. I once bought a wvga tosheba 900, it was the worst pda I have ever owned. It wouldn't even play a video well, so I got a refund. So here I stay with my Uni and my Athena (now that is a big PDA) I seem to remember not having much joy with the srs wow patch, it did funny things to the camera and sound.
Regards
Jay
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True, I gave up on SRS WOW altogether, actually, the best ROM that worked with EVERYTHING was Tomal's 8.2, can't remember now why I wanted to move to 8.9 so much. Yep, with 128Mb SPB MS is a beauty and if my Uni didn't get enough attention from my friends, it sure does now with all the touch movements and screens shifting, haha. I got it fitted with an iPhone screen protector, took a bit of cutting to size, it's very glossy, so looks very close to those modern netbook screens, the protector is something like $1.20 for a pack of 3 and I don't peel the outer layer off right away, so use it for a few weeks until it gets mucked up, then peel it off to reveal the proper smooth protector underneath, that one lasts for ages and you can't even see it on.
P.S. Would love to lay my hands on Athena... Might advertise for a broken one, always wanted a Shift or similar, don't care about the size, just can't afford the price.

Forgot to mention. HTC is in the middle of court case. Apple is suing for partial Android copyright infringements. Should've gone after Google, really, but HTC is a much easier and smaller target.

enigma1nz said:
Forgot to mention. HTC is in the middle of court case. Apple is suing for partial Android copyright infringements. Should've gone after Google, really, but HTC is a much easier and smaller target.
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That is interesting news, I will watch out for that one.
I bought my Athena off Ebay in one of those rash moments, and once I bid I had that "oh ****, what have I done" moments. I remember all day I was wishing to be out bid, but fat chance. but they are dropping in price like a stone now. They are the dogs do-dah's of PDA's and spoil you for screen size, so now the Universal looks quite small screened to me now. The BIG problem with them is the phone, you cant use them to the ear coz they only work on speaker and if anyone is near then they hear the lot, so its bluetooth all the way. most of us use the LG style-I. Its a pen size thing that looks and works like a tiny phone, and leve the Athena in its large pocket or bag. Another great thing is you can plug into the telly, and with a bluetooth keyboard surf the net or watch your films on the big screen. Even the mighty Athena is getting old hat now though, but its down to what you need at the end of the day.
Jay