At Expansys...
HTC Touch Dual, £369.95
E-TEN glofiish X800, £384.95
For &15 you get VGA screen, WiFi, GPS (SiRF Star) and FM Radio.
I know the Touch is nicer, has TouchFlow and hardware phone keyboard but with E-TEN for £15 you get VGA screen, WiFi, GPS (SiRF Star) and FM Radio.
I would go for Eten myself if that's a £15 difference. I'm not sure, but probably you get the Touch for its small size as well. And, as for the keyboard, it is a numeric pad, which may not be that useful as you can probably get a soft keypad for the 'fish' as well
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZZwAauXXD8A
the touch is definitly the better replacement for a traditional mobile.
it's smaller, u can type numbers with hardwarekeyboard and touchflow together with the new menu poping up when u slide out the keyboard
gives u a good one-hand usage.
beside of that etens support seems not to be the best, so better hope u never need it...
Wifi would habe been nice, but i don't use it (so i won't miss it)
and for GPS i prefer a Bluetooth device that holds teh fix even when the PDA is in standby and can log without the PDA.
But your needs can differ from mine, so no one forces u to get the touch
edit: the keyboard of the touch can be bought in 2 different versions.
with the xt9 20keys you should be able to enter text quite fast.
polaris is also an option
not as fancy looking as touch2
and dont have a keyboard
but it got everything else going for it
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I would like to know how much larger the cruise against the touch. does anyone have both that can post a side by side shot
I'm in the same boat. It's 10mm longer and 1.5 mm thicker according to specs. Really wish I could experience one before buying!
I was concerned about this as well, but its not bad. Its not too thick for me.
I am very glad I bought it. Its a great device... everything worked perfectly out of the box.
From the specs it's almost identical in size and weight to the Artemis so if you could find a store with an Artemis (or re-brand like O2 XDA Orbit) then that would give you a really good idea of how the TC will feel in the hand and/or pocket. In fact the TC is about a mm thinner than the Artemis so if anything the TC will be slightly more pocketable.
I'm in the UK and when I bought my first device (an Artemis) I went into an O2 shop and played for a long time with the Touch and the Artemis (O2 XDA Orbit). I ended up buying the Artemis, even though it is bigger and I really do care a lot about size and weight, and I didn't regret it. I find it completely unobtrusive in my pockets.
- Julian
Here you go (halfway down the page)
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1303843
JNGold said:
Here you go (halfway down the page)
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1303843
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Geez, the Polaris IS thick.
I almost pulled the trigger on a Polaris this week but now I'm really torn. I dusted off my old Eten and Trinity and looked at some friends devices this weekend. One thing the Touch has going for is the very few small hard to press buttons. Add to that the screen that some claim is not sensitive enough and you have a device that is ideal to store in your pocket. With my Trinity in my pocket, if I got a text or a call, buttons were always pressed and several apps opened. Even with the flush screen, the Touch never accidentally calls people, etc.
Hard to tell from the pics - does the Polaris have a large button pad like the trinity? I mean, are all the buttons one large piece?
My problem isn't the lack of features with the Touch. I can't get more than 1 bar in my office with AT&T GSM and miss calls but with 3G, I get 3. I've tried this with my trinity and 8525. I've Asked my AT&T rep and he can't explain it. Thought the size of the Touch would offset the reception issue. After 6 mo, I am looking for a small device with 3G. Considering a Polaris or LG MS25. Odd thing is that Sprint and Verizon don't get a signal either but T-mobile does. I'm gonna pop a T-Mobile SIM in my Touch and see. I'd hate to switch carriers but HTC has let us down by not putting 3G in the "enhanced" Touch.
Baxter said:
(..) With my Trinity in my pocket, if I got a text or a call, buttons were always pressed and several apps opened. Even with the flush screen, the Touch never accidentally calls people, etc.(..)
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If you're seriously in doubt between these two devices you really need to take a look at S2U2 to lock your device (automatically on screen off).
Incidentally: I used to have S2U2 installed on my Artemis, but on the Polaris the ON/OFF button is situated on top of the device, which means that it is very unlikely going to be pushed inside my pocket. By default all buttons except ON/OFF are switched off on screen off. So far I haven't felt the need to install S2U2 on my Polaris, however happy I was with its performance on my previous device.
Seriously, the Touch is no competition for the Polaris, performancewise.
I've been looking for a long time for an app that would prevent all buttons & screen from waking on incoming sms/call but still allow audible alert or vibrate. Pressing on/off would wake much like opening a flip phone. I'd prefer that it run in the background and not require a slide or button combination to "unlock". Just simply have to press power to wake. Does it do that? I'll give it a try if you say it does.
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I've been looking for a long time for an app that would prevent all buttons & screen from waking on incoming sms/call but still allow audible alert or vibrate. Pressing on/off would wake much like opening a flip phone. I'd prefer that it run in the background and not require a slide or button combination to "unlock". Just simply have to press power to wake. Does it do that? I'll give it a try if you say it does.
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What you're describing is the default functionality of the Polaris. After 3 minutes inactivity it falls asleep on screen off (you can use power button to force sleep) and locks screen and buttons except power button.
Calls, notifications etc. still work, (bluetooth) audio will also keep running.
To awake, press power button.
So you are saying that the polaris doesn't wake when you have an incoming call or sms? Maybe there is a misunderstanding. I want to have to press power before being able to answer.
No, not the one on dutty's site!
I am looking for the one he uses in his roms, he doesn't have a cab of it.
You can tell it's the newer one because the word suggsetion/letter choose bar is thinner and its black, compared to the cab version he has which is a thicker light grey bar. It's version and build is version 1 build 29567.
I don't think the cab collection thread has the most up to date either, that zip file i a whole bunch of mess up.
Thanks
Looking for this too. All the touch keyboard/keypad cabs mess up my typing while using the full keyboard (might be a fix for this, I haven't really looked), but the version dutty uses in his roms works flawlessly.
Ha, weird.
For me it's opposite. The keyboard in his roms is the newest build, but it conflicts with the hardware keyboard and you can't use function keys unless you are using a Tilt and use the fix which seems to work for Tilt users but not for TyTN II users.
I install his cab version (older build) from his FTP and then I can atleast use the hardware keyboard + function keys AND the touch keyboard when I please, but I want the black word suggestion/letter suggestion bar that is in the latest build and not the old grey thicker bar in his older build.
Must find cab.
That is weird... I think my problem is a little bit different though.
I've got the Att Tilt and the Touch soft keypad works beautifully (any version) but when I switch to the hardward keyboard, I still get spelling/word suggestions from the soft keyboard... which highlights select letters while I'm typing, essentially forcing me to type over them. The end result is just garbled.
The only dutty ROM I've tried so far is v4, and it's worked great, hard and soft keyboard.
I tried the fix too, but it didn't make a difference. I think it has more to do with the keys being mapped incorrectly?
elypsar said:
That is weird... I think my problem is a little bit different though.
I've got the Att Tilt and the Touch soft keypad works beautifully (any version) but when I switch to the hardward keyboard, I still get spelling/word suggestions from the soft keyboard... which highlights select letters while I'm typing, essentially forcing me to type over them. The end result is just garbled.
The only dutty ROM I've tried so far is v4, and it's worked great, hard and soft keyboard.
I tried the fix too, but it didn't make a difference. I think it has more to do with the keys being mapped incorrectly?
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yes we do have slightly different problems. I don't really know how to solve any of it 100%.
All i know, is for me on tytn II, if i have a dutty rom with the touch keypad in it, I can't use the function keys correctly. So that was my biggest problem. Installing his older ftp cab keyboard "overtop" of his built in rom one solved that particular problem. I don't get the word/letter suggestion from xt9.
For tilt users so far i've heard was to install the disablext9 cab fix soft reset then uninstall it, that doesnt work for me, and not for you i guess either.. so ih ave no idea really.
I wonder if it has anythign to do with the xt9 settings and the normal keyboard settings.. i wonder if somethign is conflicting or something.. no i dea.. lol
Got my touch pro yesterday after dropping my Hermes and killing the GSM radio.
After using it for 24 hours I can make the following obsevations.
Of course it comes in a designer box (upside down pyramid)
included accessorys (of the top of my head)
-battery
-headphones with mic (no answer/hang up button)
-Wall charger with usb "A" host port on it
-Usb A to a micro lead for charger and activesync
A big hit for me is the new holder, sure it doesnt clip on my belt, but you can still use the device whilst its in the holder, you just need to slide it out a bit.
I miss the Jog wheel from the Hermes, and it takes a while to get used to TF3D scrolling.
When you first open the device, it appears to lack a D pad, its there however just a bit tricky to use (press around the outside of the circle)
Pros
New CPU seems to make a big difference
TF3D scrolling and nav is tricky to get used to but works well.
Text in menus etc is large to compensate for the fact you use your thumb and not a stylus 99% of the time
5 row keyboard is more logical and doesnt assign a million things to one key
usable shortcuts on the keyboard
landscape on the home screen has handy shortcuts
tf3d homescrren is very usable (just wished it marked texts as read faster)
smaller than the hermes
nhuge amounts of storage and program memory
flat screen makes life much easier when using thumb/finger on the screen, (no more hitting the clock instead of X)
A2DP actually works whilst on a data network (you needed to disable the radio on the hermes to get gapless playback whilst walking)
Cons
Lower battery life than the hermes (you didnt expect this?)
No jog/scrollwheel (TF3D does NOT work in menus)
S2U2 crashes in configuration mode (havent investigated)
G sensor is terrible in opera, rotates page back to portiat when in landscape CONSTANTLY (open keyboard to force landscape)
keyboard buttons are smaller takes some getting used to (the amount of times i have hit capslock instead of A)
no turn by turn nav software by default (tytn ii had copilot)
Other than that im loving it.
The turn by turn software is normally supplied by the provider, for example T-mobile tend to give away co-pilot,
having said that HTC have supplied some of their devices with tomtom as of recent.
2 problems with picodrive. The directional buttens are screwed up. left is up en up is right and so on. I have solved this myself no prob just keep on trying finding the right button.
Next problem is with the ABC buttons of Picodrive. Al the alfabethical keys are mapped to the same keyadress so A=> 0xe5 B=> 0xe5
They al have the same function in picodrive.
Is this a problem regarding the Touch Pro or with picodrive or with a windows setting
somebody else on here has mentioned exactly the same problem with another emulator, so I guess the Touchpro somehow represents it's buttons as the same, either that or what you are seeing is the response from the touch screen not from the button (as was proved in another thread the whole area is touch sensitive not just the screen) in which case turning off the touch feature might sort you out.
Its not the screen im talking about. It is the keyboard.
same with final burn
have the same problem with finalburn (mame emulator). Every key from the keyboard except the directional keys, enter and 2-3 others is beeing mapped / recognized as 0xe5
does somebody has a fix?
Besides that problem - has anyone been able to play either of those emulators to evaluate speed?
I'm concerned that the Qualcomm processor coupled with the VGA screen will result in slow performance.
I'm debating getting this phone, but wouldn't want to if it's too much of a drop off from my 6700.
The speed isn't a problem. Runs flawlessy. The applications are still buggy under some other aspects. But I wouldn't buy myself a device in order to run these emus. There are cheaper ones on the market.
Back to the problem with the keymapping...
I hard resetted the device and skipped the extended rom installation. The problem with the keymapping is still there. Therefore I can exclude the applications in the extended rom causing this problem.
Anyone some advices, fixes or workarounds?
no key mapping
key mapping is weird yes.
Mate of mine has the tytn II with a pocketSNES i loved it And i was in need for a new phone... HTC touch pro / raphael / MDA vario IV was a phone i really looked out fore for a while nice design etc etc etc ... just the key mapping for an emulator is a big .. down for me
Any fixes?
same problem here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420159
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425646
SOLUTION HERE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2703133&postcount=3
Is there a way to get the htc shadow keyboard (not the full qwerty). This would make the buttons bigger and it would be much easier to use. I tried some of the sip keyboard cabs but they don't work on the diamond2 probably something to do with screen resolutions or something. It displays really small towards the upper middle of the screen (really wierd).
The Phone keyboard doesn't line up like a normal keyboard and is not useable for me.. My previous phone was a shadow
thanks