Frustrated!! Pocket Internet Explorer doesn't work when cradled - General Topics

I have a Cingular 8525 with WM5, using the lastest version of Activesync. I do not have wifi or 3g internet connection on my cell phone. Everything is synced and seems to be working fine but PIE doesn't work.
My Network management settings are:
Programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using: "My ISP"
Programs that automatically connect to a private network should connect using: "My ISP"
Under Connections it reads: My ISP, and for select a modem it says "Cellular Line"
How do I enable my phone to use pocket internet explorer when cradled? The reason is that my RSS reader cannot update because IE cannot connect.
Save me! I spent the last 4 hours trying to fix this problem.

Hi,
I had the same problem some time ago.
In ActiveSync\File\Connections I had to tick "This computer is connected to: The internet". Now it works.

xunkn0vvnx said:
I have a Cingular 8525 with WM5, using the lastest version of Activesync. I do not have wifi or 3g internet connection on my cell phone. Everything is synced and seems to be working fine but PIE doesn't work.
My Network management settings are:
Programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using: "My ISP"
Programs that automatically connect to a private network should connect using: "My ISP"
Under Connections it reads: My ISP, and for select a modem it says "Cellular Line"
How do I enable my phone to use pocket internet explorer when cradled? The reason is that my RSS reader cannot update because IE cannot connect.
Save me! I spent the last 4 hours trying to fix this problem.
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Change "cellular line" to "cellular line GPRS" from the scroll down box.

The saga still continues to no avail...
i clicked "This computer is connected to the internet"
and also selected "Cellular line GPRS"
What do I enter for Access point name, username, password, etc.
This is getting really annoying.

xunkn0vvnx said:
The saga still continues to no avail...
i clicked "This computer is connected to the internet"
and also selected "Cellular line GPRS"
What do I enter for Access point name, username, password, etc.
This is getting really annoying.
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Follow the screen shots in order 1-4. access point: wap.cingular(lower case) User: [email protected](all caps) Password: CINGULAR1 (all caps)
8125
2.25.11.1

Still nothing, when I right click and try to connect it says
"Cannot Connect
The current connection cannot be used for your request. Please end the current connection and try again."

xunkn0vvnx said:
Still nothing, when I right click and try to connect it says
"Cannot Connect
The current connection cannot be used for your request. Please end the current connection and try again."
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Is AT&T your carrier? When did all this begin happening? The settings I've given you are to be made directly on your device, and not from a PC. Try "auto pick" instead of ISP GPRS, and see if that helps.

hotdog53 said:
Is AT&T your carrier? When did all this begin happening? The settings I've given you are to be made directly on your device, and not from a PC. Try "auto pick" instead of ISP GPRS, and see if that helps.
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One more thing to try: go to your connections settings, tap on advanced (at bottom) select MediaNet from scroll box, tap "proxy" the box that says it uses a proxy to connect should be unchecked (empty) The top box should be checked. You haven't done any internet connection tweaks in the registry have you?

0 internet registry tweaks, do you think you could link me to the cab that should be able to fix this for me?
Either way, and despite whether or not this gets fixed, thank you, thank you, for helping me.

xunkn0vvnx said:
0 internet registry tweaks, do you think you could link me to the cab that should be able to fix this for me?
Either way, and despite whether or not this gets fixed, thank you, thank you, for helping me.
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Sorry man, I don't have the cabs for this fix. I remember reading about someone having the same problems and a cab fix was requested. Can't remember where I read about it. I recommend a forum or google search for the cab fix...I'm pretty sure you'll find what you need.

Ok here is the weird thing... I am running SPB mobile, and when I sync my weather is able to update for New York, NY. Doesn't that mean it must be getting an internet connection through PIE? DOes SPB mobile mess with the registry?

Anybody? Lately I've been using WiFi to update my phone but Id rather have it work when it is cradled.

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Wifi setup problem with 8125

HI all,
first of all i want to thankyou all for this awsome site and keeping the good work going.
I need some help with wifi setup.
I tried to setup my wifi with my 8125 using wifi companion and wifi fofum and both detected my network and connected to it successfully however, when i try to connect to the net using internet explorer a msg pops up saying that "cannot connect" Dialed +some number and then it says No modem at above number. To check connections settings change them if needed. I upgraded my rom to the latest one from cingular how ever i never entered this number which it is showing. Can some one help me with this issue and tell me what should i do.
thanks in advance.
Ps:- I tried wifi companion and wifi fofum separately not together.
thanks.
sounds like internet explorer is trying to connect to gprs or cellular modem or somthing.
you need to go to settings, connections, advanced, select networks, and make sure the drop down lists are set to "My Work Network"
Also check under setting, wireless lan, powermode and move the slider all the way to the left for best performance. I cannot connect to any routers when it is in the middle (the default setting). I have no problems connecting anywhere with it set to best performance.

WM6 proxy setting, quick help.

Hello.
I'm using faria's latest WM6 ROM, but can't find where to enter proxy server / proxy settings in accordance to t-mobile's guide. WM6 doesnt have the place where to enter proxy numbers as specified. After a little digging i heard you might need to change the settings in the registry for wm6.
Can anyone please advise?
Thanks!
12. Tap Edit my proxy server under T-Mobile GPRS.
13. Tap to check This network connects to the Internet.
14. Tap to check This network uses a proxy server to connect to the Internet.
15. Enter 216.155.165.050 in the Proxy server field.
16. Tap Advanced.
17. Tap HTTP.
18. Enter 8080 in the Port field.
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I was able to configure mine just fine today, but I'll admit it took me a few tries in the past before I figured it out.
Go to Start --> Settings --> Connections tab --> Connections.
Since you're not using the standard T-Mobile ROM, just adapt the steps a bit to match up with what is on the WM6 ROM. Where it says T-Mobile GRPS in the instructions, actually use the My Work Network section on the device. You can also rename My Work Section to T-Mobile GRPS if you want.
Under that section, you should see:
Add a new modem connection
Add a new VPN server connection
Edit my proxy server
Other than the My Work Network/T-Mobile GPRS thing, the steps were exactly the same.
Oh yeah, instead of 216.165.155.050 enter 216.165.155.50.
I did that and I was able to get an Edge connection and send/receive MMS messages from my Verizon phone.
Dave
sgtcasey said:
You can also rename My Work Section to T-Mobile GRPS if you want.
Under that section, you should see:
Add a new modem connection
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Hi.
When I goto Settings > Connection; "My Work" is no longer listed as a connection, only My Home.
How can i get back / add "My Work" ?
THanks.
Hmmm... I'm not sure. I have My ISP and My Work Network and I've always had that with the WM6 ROM's.
Dave
I know this is kind of buggy... I had the same issue.
If you add a new connection, call it My Work or something, and choose GPRS 3G for the type, and finish, it will put 2 connections, which will allow you to change between My Work Network again, etc. No registry hack needed, it's there, it's just not showing. By adding a 2nd connection, it will show your "My Work Network" again. Keep in mind, if you had MMS messaging, but no 'net until now, once the 'net works, you will have to change your MMS setting to "My Work Network" as well.
Now 'net and MMS works on my phone (Cingular 8525) on Tmobile, using only T-Zones and WM6 Thx for the help!

Kaiser bluetooth mac internet settings

I have been playing with my new Kaiser(Tilt) since I got it earlier in the week. Rom is updated and everything is the way I like it. I would like to have my mac to connect to my Kaiser with bluetooth for internet access I just don't know what the AT&T setting are:
-telephone number
-account Name
-and password
I have looked all over and nothing I can find works. The Mac tells me
-A modem error occurred. Please verify your settings and try again.
What can I do to get this working? What setting are you using to make theis work for you?
You have to enable the Internet Sharing app. You can either find it in the Windows folder (IntShrUI), or you can do as I did and perform a hard reset but kill all the carrier customizations. By default, AT&T removes the program shortcut from your Programs folder. Here are some instructions, courtesy of the AT&T forums:
(1) From the Mac, initiate the pairing process with the phone. It will say the phone doesn't have any supported services, but then the last page of the Bluetooth wizard will say it supports a Personal Area Network.
(2) Open the "Internet Sharing" application on the phone.
(3) Change the method used to connect the computer from "USB" to "Bluetooth PAN".
(4) Click "Connect".
(5) On the Mac, click the Bluetooth menu on the Menu Bar and select "Join Network on [device]". (The Internet Sharing app on the phone should now say "Connected".)
Need more info
I got that part down, thanks. It's when it is trying to connect it imideatly disconects and tells me - A modem error occurred. Please verify your settings and try again. What are the settings on the mac side for
-telephone number
-account Name
-and password
Bluetooth PAN doesn't require those settings. It looks like what you're after is Bluetooth DUN. I believe you'll need to use the WModem app that's in the Connections tab. These should be the settings you're seeking:
Type [email protected] in the User name field.
Type CINGULAR1 in the Password field.
In the Dial field, type *99#.
thespiessman said:
I got that part down, thanks. It's when it is trying to connect it imideatly disconects and tells me - A modem error occurred. Please verify your settings and try again. What are the settings on the mac side for
-telephone number
-account Name
-and password
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Email can't switch between wifi or GPRS???

Hi, on my Polaris I've my Gmail account which updates itself through IMAP4.
I want the following: Wenn i have a WIFI connection the email will update through WIFI, without WIFI I want hem to automaticly connect with GPRS.
This is standard with internet explorer.
I allready found out that you can switch the connection manually: Mailoptions --> Adanced server options --> Network connection, then change it to internet or GPRS
Is there a way to do this by for example making a network connection which can use both???
Don't know too much about the topic itself, but maybe try a more advanced email program like Outlook?
SabbeRubbish said:
Don't know too much about the topic itself, but maybe try a more advanced email program like Outlook?
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? I use the standard email application on the Polaris which is outlook if i'm not mistaken.
heeleven said:
Hi, on my Polaris I've my Gmail account which updates itself through IMAP4....
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I'm still using my Hermes whith wm6, whith Outlook so there shouldn't be any real difference, but I haven't noticed the problem you're encountering. Whith WiFi on it uses it and when not, it uses GPRS/3G/HSDPA.
But then again, thw wifi network is set to connect to the internet, and the ISP settings are set to be automatically used.
gnick666 said:
I'm still using my Hermes whith wm6, whith Outlook so there shouldn't be any real difference, but I haven't noticed the problem you're encountering. Whith WiFi on it uses it and when not, it uses GPRS/3G/HSDPA.
But then again, thw wifi network is set to connect to the internet, and the ISP settings are set to be automatically used.
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Could you tell me your (basic) network options, the networdk which is selected can be found here: Mailoptions --> Adanced server options --> Network connection
heeleven said:
? I use the standard email application on the Polaris which is outlook if i'm not mistaken.
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Considering the fact that I got a 2-month free trial for Outlook, I doubt that the built-in email program is Outlook on the Polaris. Else, it would clearly state Outlook (M$ would not sell it anonymously , my guess )
heeleven said:
Hi, on my Polaris I've my Gmail account which updates itself through IMAP4.
I want the following: Wenn i have a WIFI connection the email will update through WIFI, without WIFI I want hem to automaticly connect with GPRS.
This is standard with internet explorer.
I allready found out that you can switch the connection manually: Mailoptions --> Adanced server options --> Network connection, then change it to internet or GPRS
Is there a way to do this by for example making a network connection which can use both???
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I use my e-mail account of my ISP.
When in range of my WLAN it uses WIFI else it will establish a connection with GPRS.
SabbeRubbish said:
Considering the fact that I got a 2-month free trial for Outlook, I doubt that the built-in email program is Outlook on the Polaris. Else, it would clearly state Outlook (M$ would not sell it anonymously , my guess )
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strange, becouse the programm is called 'outlook E-mail' it even has the same icon as it has on my desktop computer.
Aren't there any Polaris users who have the same problem??
If it is the software which email program do you suggest to use.
heeleven said:
Could you tell me your (basic) network options, the networdk which is selected can be found here: Mailoptions --> Adanced server options --> Network connection
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Yeah I can do that, 'The Internet', only two options are available in the specified menu, 'The Internet' and 'Work' nothing else.
And the default messaging app is Pocket Outlook since ancient times.
gnick666 said:
Yeah I can do that, 'The Internet', only two options are available in the specified menu, 'The Internet' and 'Work' nothing else.
And the default messaging app is Pocket Outlook since ancient times.
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Ok tanx, it seems that 'The Internet' is removed either by me or a programm, I was considering a hard reset for some other problems. (Activesync isn't working properly) so I think its the fasted way to solve this problem as wel.
heeleven said:
Ok tanx, it seems that 'The Internet' is removed either by me or a programm, I was considering a hard reset for some other problems. (Activesync isn't working properly) so I think its the fasted way to solve this problem as wel.
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After a hard reset still the same problem, the network connection selected for my IMAP mail is set to 'The Internet'
When connected to WIFI it will get my mail, when not, a pop up is displayed saying: Can't connect with current networkconfiguration. To change this configuration go to this link.
When I click the link I get connection configuration in which I didn't changed a thing.
I don't get it, doesn't anybody have the same problem as me.
Maby the new cooked ROM will help.
My Polaris configured automatically, I am not sure if it depends on the provider. I am using KPN.
It shows you the result during configuration.
Has yours completed normally?
I have had the same problem.
In Settings - Connections - Advanced - Select Networks - Choose there which connection u would like to use when device need to automaticly connect to the internet. I have there my GPRS Web settings and when i'm not on wifi it's using GPRS connection. When u have The internet there it cannot use it when u are not connected to it (when u are not on wifi).
DD_ said:
I have had the same problem.
In Settings - Connections - Advanced - Select Networks - Choose there which connection u would like to use when device need to automaticly connect to the internet. I have there my GPRS Web settings and when i'm not on wifi it's using GPRS connection. When u have The internet there it cannot use it when u are not connected to it (when u are not on wifi).
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Exactly, it's just weird that both type of connection can be used but you have to change it every time you want to use the other.
Which provider do you use??
---Alex--- said:
My Polaris configured automatically, I am not sure if it depends on the provider. I am using KPN.
It shows you the result during configuration.
Has yours completed normally?
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Currently i'm using Vodafone, but i'll switch to KPN in March, hopefully it will work properly then.
DD_ said:
I have had the same problem.
In Settings - Connections - Advanced - Select Networks - Choose there which connection u would like to use when device need to automaticly connect to the internet. I have there my GPRS Web settings and when i'm not on wifi it's using GPRS connection. When u have The internet there it cannot use it when u are not connected to it (when u are not on wifi).
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Simple stated, I can use both for e-mail and internet and WIFI get's priority over GPRS/UMTS when in WIFI range.
ok... I've had this same problem where my TC won't check email, windows live, etc through my wifi, despite being connected.
The reason is... my wifi connection was setup to say it connects to "work" as opposed to "the internet".
For those having the same problem as me, follow these instructions...
1) Click on start, settings, connections, then "wi-fi" icon
2) Press (hold down) on your wifi connection, and then click "edit".
3) change "connects to", to say "the internet".
4) Click next, next, and finish.
5) Close the settings menu and try again.
Worked for me!
PS... yes I know I'm a donkey for messing it up in the first place, but it's all good fun learning!
Same weird problem here now.
It use to work without problem. Wifi was preferred network.
When wifi not available, GPRS/UMTS (T-Mobile NL) was used. Since yesterday i'm not able to retrieve pop3 mail through G/3G anymore. Internet is ok and WindowsLive also no problem. Also pop3 mail through wifi is no problem.
I'm going to hardreset now.

FUZE, Internet Sharing, Vista, USB

any reason why the above should not work "out of the box". i have been tethering fine with my BJ1 but got my FUZE yesterday and it's not working. Says "waiting for network" then "remote party has ended this connection".
i did try installing the modem drivers from the CD, did not help.
what is the most common cause of ICS not working with vista over USB?
thanks in advance.
did you uncheck enable advanced network functionality? Its checked as defualt. Uncheck it and try again.
more ICS help needed
hondaguyjoe said:
did you uncheck enable advanced network functionality? Its checked as defualt. Uncheck it and try again.
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i tried that, still does not work.
in VISTA i briefly see the RNDIS network connection go to enabled but quickly goes to disabled when the handset says "remote party has ended..."
on the FUZE i have
Settings | Connections | Wireless Manager | Data Connection = On
and the only thing i changed during my trouble shooting is
Media Net | Select a Modem = Cellular Line (GPRS, 3G)
settings also have wap.cingular as it should, and don't know what the preset password is - i haven't touched it. should i use the password that i know worked on the BJ1?
also, in WiFi Settings, does the Remote NDIS network adapter settings play into this? i put it on DHCP and it also says "connect to work" - should that be "internet"?
thanks
raywright1 said:
i tried that, still does not work.
in VISTA i briefly see the RNDIS network connection go to enabled but quickly goes to disabled when the handset says "remote party has ended..."
on the FUZE i have
Settings | Connections | Wireless Manager | Data Connection = On
and the only thing i changed during my trouble shooting is
Media Net | Select a Modem = Cellular Line (GPRS, 3G)
settings also have wap.cingular as it should, and don't know what the preset password is - i haven't touched it. should i use the password that i know worked on the BJ1?
also, in WiFi Settings, does the Remote NDIS network adapter settings play into this? i put it on DHCP and it also says "connect to work" - should that be "internet"?
thanks
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Ok Im having the same problem I guess I should of tried it before opening my mouth lol
on my 8525 running WM6.1 it works flawlessly PC connection is set to usb and network connection is to media net.
On the fuze I get the same error you do something like connecton to host failed....
so now I'm on the please help me list with you!
I spoke to someone a rep friend of mine and he said they disabled the ability to tether. You need to have the tethering plan in order for it to work.
Hmm, seems like somebody's going to need to hack around that
jasongw said:
Hmm, seems like somebody's going to need to hack around that
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Yeah really! looks like I wont be getting rid of my tytn any time soon its going to suck to swap out sims everytime I want to tether to my laptop.
I had a similar issue:
An unlocked and custom-ROM Wizard worked with ICS just fine. My new Samsung Epix kept spitting out the dreaded "The remote party has ended this connection" almost immediately upon clicking Connect in ICS.
I see you already have MediaNET pointed to wap.cingular
I found I had to add the username and password:
[email protected]
CINGULAR1
I also set GPRS Authentication for MediaNET to CHAP.
I am internet sharing 3G beautifully over Bluetooth with Vista64.
ICS problems (cont'd)
cjones277 said:
I had a similar issue:
MediaNET pointed to wap.cingular
[email protected]
CINGULAR1
GPRS Authentication for MediaNET to CHAP.
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this is consistent with my BJ1 settings and works fine on that device. i have the same settings on the fuze.
did you do anything on the Vista side?
did you have to install the drivers from the CD?
any other settings that i should know about?
I had the same problem. This workaround seems to be working for me, though:
0. Make sure phone is NOT connected to computer
1. Go to Start -> Programs -> Internet Sharing
2. Set the PC Connection to USB and the Network Connection to Media Net
3. Click Connect
4. Connect USB cable to computer
ITNV said:
I had the same problem. This workaround seems to be working for me, though:
0. Make sure phone is NOT connected to computer
1. Go to Start -> Programs -> Internet Sharing
2. Set the PC Connection to USB and the Network Connection to Media Net
3. Click Connect
4. Connect USB cable to computer
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This is what I do on my 8525 but on the fuze no luck :-(
Im going to try and do a hard reset and stop it from installing the at&t stuff and see if it works.
ITNV said:
I had the same problem. This workaround seems to be working for me, though:
0. Make sure phone is NOT connected to computer
1. Go to Start -> Programs -> Internet Sharing
2. Set the PC Connection to USB and the Network Connection to Media Net
3. Click Connect
4. Connect USB cable to computer
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Network connection drop down seems to be absent in internet sharing on my Fuze... hmmm...
Well the hard reset with no extra stuff installed did not work :-(
I hope some HTC wizard can figure this out.
I think this is a Windows Mobile registry settings issue, not an HTC issue. They set it this way at the request of AT&T.
Got this from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437796&page=2
This may actually fix both the missing Network drop-down and the "Remote party has ended the connection" issue. Its for Sprint, but worked for me. Just substitute MediaNET for Sprint.
After my first post, I had to do a Hard Reset and then the issue jamorgan2008 is having (Network drop-down not showing). I didn't have this the first time. I looked up the Registry Key and it had Cingular ISP as the ForceCellConnection value. I deleted it and am back on again. As such, this may also fix your issue as well, hondaguyjoe. Do you have the Network option in Internet Sharing or just PC Connection? You may need a Mobile Registry Editor for this.
See below:
Originally Posted by mcgowanbl View Post
This works with standard $15/month Sprint PCS Vision plan.
No you do not need to purchase Phone As Modem plan.
No they will not charge you extra because there's no way for them to known you tethering to a pc.
I have two Touch Diamonds (not Pro's).
One for my wife and one for me.
My Internet sharing (Start\Programs\Internet sharing) only has one drop down menu, "PC Connection".
My wife's has two drop downs "PC Connection" AND "Network connection".
Now I bought her's two days after mine at the same Sprint store.
Her Internet connection shares Internet via USB connected directly to a PC without issue.
Mine doesn't since I have not been able to set the missing "Network connection" drop down menu option to the appropriate setting of "Sprint". Instead it either say Waiting for network or error 67 invalid username and password (something like that)
I deleted the key: (not just the value)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\InternetSharing\settings]
ForceCellConnection
Now I got the second drop down menu "Network connection", restarted the phone and now it works like a champ.
cjones277 said:
I think this is a Windows Mobile registry settings issue, not an HTC issue. They set it this way at the request of AT&T.
Got this from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437796&page=2
This may actually fix both the missing Network drop-down and the "Remote party has ended the connection" issue. Its for Sprint, but worked for me. Just substitute MediaNET for Sprint.
After my first post, I had to do a Hard Reset and then the issue jamorgan2008 is having (Network drop-down not showing). I didn't have this the first time. I looked up the Registry Key and it had Cingular ISP as the ForceCellConnection value. I deleted it and am back on again. As such, this may also fix your issue as well, hondaguyjoe. Do you have the Network option in Internet Sharing or just PC Connection? You may need a Mobile Registry Editor for this.
See below:
Originally Posted by mcgowanbl View Post
This works with standard $15/month Sprint PCS Vision plan.
No you do not need to purchase Phone As Modem plan.
No they will not charge you extra because there's no way for them to known you tethering to a pc.
I have two Touch Diamonds (not Pro's).
One for my wife and one for me.
My Internet sharing (Start\Programs\Internet sharing) only has one drop down menu, "PC Connection".
My wife's has two drop downs "PC Connection" AND "Network connection".
Now I bought her's two days after mine at the same Sprint store.
Her Internet connection shares Internet via USB connected directly to a PC without issue.
Mine doesn't since I have not been able to set the missing "Network connection" drop down menu option to the appropriate setting of "Sprint". Instead it either say Waiting for network or error 67 invalid username and password (something like that)
I deleted the key: (not just the value)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\InternetSharing\settings]
ForceCellConnection
Now I got the second drop down menu "Network connection", restarted the phone and now it works like a champ.
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Works great!!! Posting now from my MBP via Fuze!
Sweet thanks this board is great!! *sent from my note book via fuze"
New issue I have the 3G icon with 2 bars but when I connect to the notebook it switches to edge. I can browse on the device with 3G but once I press connect it goes to edge.
Any ideas?
Thanks
hondaguyjoe said:
New issue I have the 3G icon with 2 bars but when I connect to the notebook it switches to edge. I can browse on the device with 3G but once I press connect it goes to edge.
Any ideas?
Thanks
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Im not seeing this issue with bluetooth... perhaps you are in a poor reception area. Are you using a usb cable or bluetooth?
What are you using to edit the registry with?
Arius1 said:
What are you using to edit the registry with?
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Search Google for PHM Registry Editor.

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