OK, I read the posts here about flashing to button 1.05, then Tmobile 2.26 then WM6 roms. Why even bother with the Tmobile 2.26, I just went straight from the button to faria wm6. Does it have to do with the IPL/SPL being 2.26 instead of 1xx as they are now, if so what is IPL/SPL and why does it matter. Appreciate all answers.
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OK, I read the posts here about flashing to button 1.05, then Tmobile 2.26 then WM6 roms. Why even bother with the Tmobile 2.26, I just went straight from the button to faria wm6. Does it have to do with the IPL/SPL being 2.26 instead of 1xx as they are now, if so what is IPL/SPL and why does it matter. Appreciate all answers.
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Nothing personal, but all the information here is tried and proven. If you want to take shortcuts, be prepared to wind up with an unstable (or even bricked) device. Glad you were able to do that successfully, but it has been shown in numerous threads (especially back in January and February when WM6 was new for us) that if you have IPL/SPL that is not 2.xx and you are running WM6, you will have weird errors and an unstable device. Go back and read some of the old threads for the early WM6 roms, and numerous times in the threads people complained about issues after upgrading that most others didn't have. After asking for their IPL/SPL and seeing that one or the other was 1.xx, then having them upgrade to 2.xx the problem almost always (like 99% of the time) went away.
Basically IPL/SPL are like the BIOS on your PC. Running an older BIOS can cause Windows all sorts of problems due to bugs, device driver compatibility with the newer os, etc...
So for the extra 10mins or so it takes to flash the official T-Mobile 2.26 (or whatever other rom with an IPL/SPL of 2.xx or higher) you will save yourself a lot of grief.
What about just flashing button 1.05/ then using the IPL/SPL 3.08 upgrade before you flash to whatever? Ive used this method about 10 times in the last week to recover from crashed cooks and other whatnot and it seems to be rock solid.
As to MrFrazz thanks for the answer, thats kind of what I was thinking.
werD said:
What about just flashing button 1.05/ then using the IPL/SPL 3.08 upgrade before you flash to whatever? Ive used this method about 10 times in the last week to recover from crashed cooks and other whatnot and it seems to be rock solid.
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Yeah this is what I was just thinking as well, I downloaded the 3.08 and I think ill give it a whirl but I notice most people here use the 2.26 also.
I wander why it is that the wm6 roms don't update the IPL/SPL?
mikejj2004 said:
I wander why it is that the wm6 roms don't update the IPL/SPL?
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I've never flashed a 3.xx IPL/SPL. I've never seen a reason to go to that version (and have seen where a few people went to 3.08 or somesuch and couldn't flash back down to a lower IPL/SPL. May have been their phone but I just don't want to hassle with 3.xx until its shown its needed). The main point is you need to get to something above 1.xx (so yes, 3.xx would apply in that case if thats what you want. But remember higher version is not always better, no matter what the geek side of us wants to believe ).
As for why not hav ethe IPL/SPL in our custom WM6 roms? Because if I release a rom that has IPL/SPL in it, then this rom would brick a G4 device if the person just tried to flash it without using ShellTools. So for the sake of the G4 community, I think most rom cooks leave it out. Plus, once you put an IPL/SPL on your phone, you really don't ever need to change it again. The advice of going back to an official rom between custom roms isn't for the IPL/SPL but to clean up the extended rom.
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I've never flashed a 3.xx IPL/SPL. I've never seen a reason to go to that version (and have seen where a few people went to 3.08 or somesuch and couldn't flash back down to a lower IPL/SPL. May have been their phone but I just don't want to hassle with 3.xx until its shown its needed). The main point is you need to get to something above 1.xx (so yes, 3.xx would apply in that case if thats what you want. But remember higher version is not always better, no matter what the geek side of us wants to believe ).
As for why not hav ethe IPL/SPL in our custom WM6 roms? Because if I release a rom that has IPL/SPL in it, then this rom would brick a G4 device if the person just tried to flash it without using ShellTools. So for the sake of the G4 community, I think most rom cooks leave it out. Plus, once you put an IPL/SPL on your phone, you really don't ever need to change it again. The advice of going back to an official rom between custom roms isn't for the IPL/SPL but to clean up the extended rom.
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Listen to mfrazzz. He knows what he is talking about. LOL
You are able to do whatever you want to with your device, but always remember this, alot of us have tried every possibility and have seen nearly every issue with the device, from frozen bootloader screen, to bricks, I myself have had one or 2 bricks. Luckily for me, I know how to deal with AT&T.
A word of wisdom, why make the same mistakes by rebuilding the wheel when someone else has already done it.
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25 minutes looking on the forums didn't really help me with what i need help with. i flashed Crossbow from a CID unlocked ex Faria aku 3.3 XDA Mini S, and i couldn't get signal, or play any sounds, in addition...the phone was extremely slow! i read that this is due to my device being CID unlocked, when i should flash an operator rom (to reCID lock it), then continue with the upgrade. surely this contradicts what threads say about phones MUST be CID unlocked otherwise you'll brick your phone etc. how can i get Crossbow Underground to be stable, and run normally?
also, my Faria 8mb aku 3.3 has moments of being lightning fast, and long periods of being stupidly slow (i.e. 10 seconds to unlock the phone from standby), does anybody know why it does this, and what i could do to fix it. Hard reset didn't do anything, and it's only getting slower. if i just left the phone after it being really slow, normally it will sort itself out and run fast again, after half an hour or so. the processor is set to default (not that this makes a difference as 260mhz doesn't speed it up), and i only have the normal programs on there.
any help atall will be greatly appreciated,
thanks,
thepolice
thepolice said:
25 minutes looking on the forums didn't really help me with what i need help with. i flashed Crossbow from a CID unlocked ex Faria aku 3.3 XDA Mini S, and i couldn't get signal, or play any sounds, in addition...the phone was extremely slow! i read that this is due to my device being CID unlocked, when i should flash an operator rom (to reCID lock it), then continue with the upgrade. surely this contradicts what threads say about phones MUST be CID unlocked otherwise you'll brick your phone etc. how can i get Crossbow Underground to be stable, and run normally?
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I'm running Most Beautiful Edition so can't comment on Underground specific issues, but I don't think anyone has said that you should re-CID Lock your phone (actually I don't think you can, but thats another topic ). What I have suggested (and seen others suggest) is to always go back to an official ship ROM before upgrading. I went from Faria's AKU 3.3 straight to MBE and had all sorts of weird issues (active sync problems, Outlook complaining the calendar was corrupt, and more). I was frustrated and reflashed the TMobile 2.26 rom to go back to Faria's then it hit me I didn't do this before doing WM6. So I put MBE back on, and its worked great since. So I'm a firm believer now to take the extra time to move back to a shipped official ROM before loading a new custom one..
...the processor is set to default (not that this makes a difference as 260mhz doesn't speed it up)
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Use batterystatus (for me I'm using .04.200 and not the beta 1.x one as it caused me issues) and have that overclock your device. If you can't see a difference, then I wonder if you have some hardware issue with your Wizard. I'm now running overclocked at 260Mhz via BatteryStatus and its been very stable and there is a definite improvement.
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Thanks, that was really useful
I can't run Most Beautiful, when i flashed it, it wouldn't boot atall. But this may be because i didn't flash the shipped rom before, is this likely?
When i flash the shipped rom, upon boot, the spl and ipl go back to 2.26...surely this means it's relocked. Should i flash the t-mobile rom instead? or wont this work as it wasn't the shipped rom - if that makes sense.
anyway, thanks so much for you help, you've explained a lot to me
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I can't run Most Beautiful, when i flashed it, it wouldn't boot atall. But this may be because i didn't flash the shipped rom before, is this likely?
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Thats possible. can't say its likely, but its possible
When i flash the shipped rom, upon boot, the spl and ipl go back to 2.26...surely this means it's relocked. Should i flash the t-mobile rom instead? or wont this work as it wasn't the shipped rom - if that makes sense.
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Yes when you flash the shipped rom the IPL/SPL will change to what comes with that ROM (for TMobile one it will be 2.26). That does NOT relock it. Only if you go back to a 1.x ROM will you have to deal with being relocked.
Example, I'm on a Cingular 8125. If I tried (out of the box) to flash the TMobile 2.26, it wouldn't work as its CID Locked. But after doing the CID Unlock, I can now flash TMobile, QTEK, O2, or whatever because it is CID Unlocked. And as long as I stay with 2.x roms, I can switch around as much as I want (it does't get relocked).
So definetly go back to an official shipped rom (and Tmobile 2.26 is the highly recommended one by about everyone), and then flash whichever custom rom you want to try. Its extra work to reflash an official rom but I think it removes problems some people see when they go from custom to custom.
thank you very much, i got my phone sorted now, and everything is clear to me.
It's okay now...got it sorted
Just curious, but what are you running now? And what worked for you?
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Just curious, but what are you running now? And what worked for you?
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Right now i'm running the Faria 8mb. i was running Crossbow Underground, but i didn't see the point in going to all the efforts to fix the keyboard problems (because then I'd have to fix the predictive text) as the Faria Crossbow rom is coming out soon, i'll just get that...can't wait!
All the problems i had seemed to be becuase i wasn't flashing the shipped rom before the new one.
I ran it according to farias instructions I thought. It flashed but now I cant install anything and I cannot write to the storage card or the phone, any cab i try to install is unsuccessful and I cannot save any files to the storage card or the phones memory.
And it appears that I cannot flash the rom again. Am I screwed?
What is you IPL / SPL? IS your phone a G3 or G4? Can you get to the bootloader? (turn off your phone (pull the battery if you have to) then hold the camera key down while you turn it on). You can flash directly to the bootloader (even though activesync won't connect.
BTW: If this stuff makes you nervous, you probably shouldn't be cooking... Your phone will do all sorts of weird stuff when you screw up a build. And you should really know how to recover from most things that can happen...
I have done this before, this is the first time I have ever had a problem. my IPL/SPL is 2.26. And the phone is unlocked.
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I have done this before, this is the first time I have ever had a problem. my IPL/SPL is 2.26. And the phone is unlocked.
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ok, cool... wasn't sure... So can you get to the bootloader?
yes I can get to it
I am flashing back to the t-mobile 2.26 rom. Working so far, I will leave the cooking alone. Can you recommend a good wm6 rom that doesnt have any problems?
"doesn't have problems" is the catch
I'm partial to my own Crossbow Reloaded ones, but they aren't perfect. If you don't hit the keypad issue with 1.7 though, its pretty close
Core 2.0n is very good and nice and clean.
Also NBD and Wizard Mobile 6 are both supposed to work well.
The new "official" rom we are playing with is beta, but I have to say its really fast and we aren't seeing much wrong with it (but its only been 12 hours since its been released). There are a couple of issues that are fixed with cabs (CommManager for one).
As for cooking, you probably eith had something wrong in a .rgu or somesuch. Just takes a number of builds and flashes to get it right to where it boots (then you debug what you forgot in packages and start over )
Hy everyone. I tried installing NBD 8.1, 8.2, and 8.3 on my phone today and it goes well. It says it has finished updating my phone and then when I start my phone, it says its being customized and I see everything being installed. After it is done installing, it resets. When it resets it is just the same old thing. It looks the same way it did when I first bought the phone. Im using a Cingular 8125 if it makes any difference. Thanks.
Your phone is still CID locked.
Follow this tutorial to unlock it, and follow the steps closely.
i wouldnt follow that tutorial just yet. You still need to give us a little more information like if your wizard is a G3/G4. You can only cidunlock your wizard if it is a G3.
I wonder why newbies are always told to CID unlock...
Shelltool works perfectly for flashing new OS (I flashed my CID locked G4 at least 6 times) and there should not be any risk of bricking the phone...
Mirek
mirekluza said:
I wonder why newbies are always told to CID unlock...
Shelltool works perfectly for flashing new OS (I flashed my CID locked G4 at least 6 times) and there should not be any risk of bricking the phone...
Mirek
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I agree! I'd been flashing my G4 phone from about 5 months ago with different ROMs (almost continuously)... ShellTool is the best tool that I tried to flash ROMs without risk.
Cheers!
mirekluza said:
I wonder why newbies are always told to CID unlock...
Shelltool works perfectly for flashing new OS (I flashed my CID locked G4 at least 6 times) and there should not be any risk of bricking the phone...
Mirek
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nobody bothers to read anymore and dont know what the search link looks like. The just jump on the bandwagon. But its true i had a hard time following some instructions but i got through it.
Really??
I used shelltool 2 times without problem, but then i get the 1 time a message - flashing done after 8 minutes and the flash wasnt really on the phone. Since then i use RUU (which is in the love wizard rom package) and it works for me.
Today i tried flashing nbd 8.3 to faria aku 3.3 and other faria rom with aku 4. In both casec the flashing stoped at 99% and i had to reflash it with nbd rom.
The flash didnt end , cause i have cid-locked phone?? I would like to have a newer aku(i have 2.3). HELP
I used Shelltool to install the rom I had. It finished after about ten minutes, and then I hard reset my device.
Whenever I start my phone up now it just hangs on the Cingular start up screen and this is what it says.
IPL 2.25
SPL 2.25
GSM 02.25.11
OS 6.6.6.666
Any idea what went wrong or if there is any way to fix this?
Thanks
Are you using Vista?
Nope. I used Windows XP Pro.
I had the same problem with shelltool on xp pro sp2. Get the phone in bootloader mode and flash again. Maybe with RUU , which is in the wizard love rom package. Just replace the .nkb file (rom file) to one u want.
I don't like this topic name. It should be: "I don't know how to install new rom"
A few advices from long time shelltool user
(I used it to flash "faria real thing", several version of "crossbow reloaded", "xda mobile", "pandora", "wrcx3"). I am on a locked G4 phone.
a) I always start by flashing the original ROM of my provider (in my case T-Mobile CZ) in normal way. This may not be a needed, but I read that it is *recommended*to flash your provider's ROM to have some stable base. It takes about 10 minutes or so.
b) Afterwards I flash using shelltool (see shelltool documentation how it is done)
Possible problems with shelltool
a) It does not end and the flashed phone seems to be frozen (clock is not updated etc.):
No problem, flash is done. After 30 minutes from the flash start just take your phone, do the hard reset and everything will work ok.
This (shelltool not ending) happens often, but as I said - it is no problem.
b) The wrong flash
Either the shelltool is interrupted prematurely or it the phone freezes during restart afterwards.
No problem, just reflash your provider's ROM in normal way and try again shelltool.
This happens only very rarely and I never went through this more than once.
Conclusion
Since the shelltool is limited to flashing only OS, you should not ever brick your phone in this way... The most you can do is to screw up your OS - which can be quickly recovered by flashing the official ROM from your provider.
Flashing by normal way is more dangerous: if you flash a locked phone with the ROM containing more than just OS, you can easily brick your phone (if you flash ROM just with the OS you will wonder that nothing has changed - at least this is like I understand it).
Mirek
zoki said:
I don't like this topic name. It should be: "I don't know how to install new rom"
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I have to agree with you Zoki. Has nothing to do with your ROM.
zoki said:
I don't like this topic name. It should be: "I don't know how to install new rom"
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I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you or anything. I just thought I did it the right way the first time and that something went wrong but not on my part because I followed directions doing it. I'm not saying anything bad about the rom. Sorry!!
I'll try to do it with the RUU then. Thanks a lot.
okay, i had made a post but was apparently oblivious to the best wm6 rom thread so it got moved in there. but as i expected thats a thread most dont even visit because its annoying. and im not worried about that i just had another question that i figured i would edit it out and ask here.
for my second rom ill be trying how exactly should i go about it, i have seen a few posts on how to flash and such but i just want to make sure i dont mess up something thats well known..
i remember seeing somewhere where to update to a new rom you need to first update back to an old official one, is this true or atleast reccomended? (i just get goosebumps when i update the rom thinking im definately going to brick it and dont want to have to do it more than i need to)
also, by going back to an official do we mean the Tmobile 2.26 one that i see in the how to flash page? (again just being careful and thorough)
last question ( i swear ) on the howto page it mentions the button and wizard love rom, my wizard is already running xm6r4 as it was completely unlocked, do i need to do that now? when i put xm6r4 on i just flashed right over my Tmobile 2.26 rom
thanks, and sorry if these are stupid questions I did search but apparenly didnt pick out the right keywords
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okay, i had made a post but was apparently oblivious to the best wm6 rom thread so it got moved in there. but as i expected thats a thread most dont even visit because its annoying. and im not worried about that i just had another question that i figured i would edit it out and ask here.
for my second rom ill be trying how exactly should i go about it, i have seen a few posts on how to flash and such but i just want to make sure i dont mess up something thats well known..
i remember seeing somewhere where to update to a new rom you need to first update back to an old official one, is this true or atleast reccomended? (i just get goosebumps when i update the rom thinking im definately going to brick it and dont want to have to do it more than i need to)
also, by going back to an official do we mean the Tmobile 2.26 one that i see in the how to flash page? (again just being careful and thorough)
last question ( i swear ) on the howto page it mentions the button and wizard love rom, my wizard is already running xm6r4 as it was completely unlocked, do i need to do that now? when i put xm6r4 on i just flashed right over my Tmobile 2.26 rom
thanks, and sorry if these are stupid questions I did search but apparenly didnt pick out the right keywords
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you should always flash back to the tmo 2.26 rom b4 you try another one... personally i go to button -> tmo -> new rom... seems to work well, but i have no idea if that extra step is really needed (but good for peace of mind )
I flash back to cingular's 2.25 rom and then on to the new one. I guess I could use tmobile's 2.26 but 2.25 has treated me well.
You flash back to an oem carrier rom such as cingular's 2.25 and tmobile's 2.26 so you know you have a clean wizard. You also know your extended rom has been flashed as well and won't cause any battery drain issues or problems.
If you have upgraded your radio and ipl/spl, after flashing back to your carrier rom your radio, ipl/spl will have been changed back to oem as well. In my case that means my radio goes from 2.69 to 2.25 and my ipl/spl from 3.08 to 2.25. I think those numbers are right.
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Hi, I use to flash cooked roms and go back and forth with official ones together with my spl. Now that i wanted to flash hard spl again so i can use newly cooked roms i cant flash hard spl using sspl or jump spl. it doesnt show usb anymore as how it use to be..anybody pls help? is there a way to flash hard spl without the sspl or jump spl?
thanks guys.
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is there a way to flash hard spl without the sspl or jump spl?
thanks guys.
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no .. atleast not that i know of. Secondly do you currently have hardspl?? also did you try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
it has options if you don't see usb on bottom.
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no .. atleast not that i know of. Secondly do you currently have hardspl?? also did you try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
it has options if you don't see usb on bottom.
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i use to have hard spl sir,and went back to normal official spl,just like going back to official roms.never had a problem..all went smoothly. been running official wm6.1 htc wwe for 2 weeks now with the original spl (not hard spl). Now that i wanted to try again to hard spl and flash cooked roms safely i cant see the usb on the bottom when i do sspl or jump uspl. am i missing something sir??
check for my reply under the sticky at the top of the forum
hard spl flashing...
hello skipper, thesire, and all others,
i wanted to reiterate that you should really read the forum linked above because it has a special "force usb" version of the hard spl installation that mau very well help you.
also, we could all maybe help you a bit more if you could post your firmware/spl versions (the numbers listed at top left on bootloader, but you probably knew that already, lol) Just so we can get a better idea of your situation- the more info the better!
i do a lot of kaiser and athena rom building, I posted a few decent roms at the beginning of the year but i havent released one since... (workin on one now though) but i am not exactly the caliber of rom builder that some of these guys are ... anyways, my point is that i have been in A LOT of hairy situations like this, but persistance is the key, so if i can help in any way i will....
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hello thesire, and all others,
i wanted to reiterate that you should really read the forum linked above because it has a special "force usb" version of the hard spl installation that mau very well help you.
also, we could all maybe help you a bit more if you could post your firmware/spl versions (the numbers listed at top left on bootloader, but you probably knew that already, lol) Just so we can get a better idea of your situation- the more info the better!
i do a lot of kaiser and athena rom building, I posted a few decent roms at the beginning of the year but i havent released one since... (workin on one now though) but i am not exactly the caliber of rom builder that some of these guys are ... anyways, my point is that i have been in A LOT of hairy situations like this, but persistance is the key, so if i can help in any way i will....
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hey genius you are replying to the wrong guy. I DID NOT make the post. The guy who did i already suggested the solution you provided (even before you did) under jockyw's hardspl thread where he posted the same exact problem ....
i have managed to get in to the bootloader to flash the hard spl,using the 1.56 ver of sspl..however,neither of all the hard spl works after that.i cant flash any of the hard spl packages. im really suprise this is happening as i have done a lot of flashing back and forth for my tytnII. oh yah,my spl is 3.29 from the official HTC WWE wm6.1
thanks for all the help..