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I have seen many messages go by discussing what is the best software for instant messaging. Up until recently, I had been using Agile Messenger. It was quite unstable when I first started using it a couple of years ago, but it is much better now. There is a cost now, which I think is high, but I would be willing to pay. Before buying into Agile though, I felt I should review my other options, and I have run into problems with each. Can anyone either help me get past these problems, or perhaps suggest another solution? Here are the programs I have tried and the problems I have experienced.
Agile Messenger - I have become very happy with the software, but I am not fond of subscriptions. I would much prefer to be able to buy the software outright. I may be able to get over that, but I discovered something else. I like to try the different ROM's that show up on this board and I have noticed that my customer ID in Agile changes with the different ROM's. Does this mean I need to buy a new license each time I change my ROM? I have written email to Agile about this and a couple of other questions and I have never heard back. I am concerned about the lack of support. There are also security questions that have been presented elsewhere on this board about having a middleman handle your connection to the various chat services since the middleman needs to know the username and password to connect.
IM+ - I tried this program, and I like the fact that I can purchase it and be done. I also like that it seems to connect directly to the chat services, thus getting rid of the middleman problem mentioned above. I have been experiencing a problem though where I appear to be online, both from my side, and from the side of my buddies, but messages do not go through. I have also experienced situations where I have successfully sent messages to friends, they replied, but I did not receive the replies. I find this type of unreliability to be intolerable, especially since you can not tell if it is happening. As far as you know, you are sending messages but your friends are not responding when they very well might be. I have tried reinstalling after a hard reset with the same problem.
IMOV - From what I can tell, this is just a XMPP (Jabber, Google..) client. It relies on relays on the Internet to access any other chat system such as AOL, or Yahoo. This introduces the problem with the middleman above, but further, these relays are practically anonymous. At least with Agile, I have some idea (though not a perfect one) who I am entrusting my credentials to. I do not have that with the relays used by XMPP. I guess I could research the available relays and find one I trust, but I am not looking to do that right now.
Verichat - I have not tried this in a while. It is another subscription based system and is a middleman. I guess my thought is that if I am going to pay an ongoing fee AND have a middleman, I would rather have Agile.
Okay, this has gotten to be a long post, but I think it presents my current position. I communicate with users of AOL, Yahoo, Google, and MSN. I can not get all of them to see reason and just all change to IRC or XMPP :-D
I am running this on a Universal (i-Mate Jasjar) with Windows Mobile 5. I am posting in general because I am sure this is a topic that affects many of the XDA phones.
Thanks for any input you can provide.
As far as IRC is concerned, don't forget to check out my IRC-related roundups - I've cross-posted some of the latest ones here in the General forum too.
I have just discovered those. I have given thought to using IRC, but I do not know if I need yet another transport to become dependant on. If I had it all to do over again, I would select IRC and / or XMPP for how open they are and ignore anyone who refused to do the same. (In a perfect world.. )
Octro: Gtalk
There is also Octro which is a Google Chat program that can do chat and VOIP even over a 1x connection (uses the jabber connection).
http://www.octro.com/
It's only for Google right now but the developers have noted that they will add AIM, Y!, MSN, etc later on (it's still in beta).
The VOIP part is really neat. It's not perfect but it is much less resource intensive than Skype and feels more "phone like" when you get an incoming call.
We have an ongoing thread where here at ppcgeeks.com where the developer pops in (they're very good at fixing bugs, adding features, etc.)
http://www.ppcgeeks.com/octro-new-im-client-w-voip-support-1-05-on-1-3-07-t1459.html#12485
The software is free right now but there will be a cost later. For me, this software has the most potential out of all the other programs if only b/c it's being developed now and you the user can help make it better...
Octro looks good..
I look forward to seeing Octro when the other IM systems are added. I wonder what kind of cost will be attached. Anyone have suggestions to solve the problems I was having with IM+? Has anyone else tried to contact Agile? Any luck?
Octro adds AIM, ICQ and MSN
mrdata1701b said:
I look forward to seeing Octro when the other IM systems are added. I wonder what kind of cost will be attached. Anyone have suggestions to solve the problems I was having with IM+? Has anyone else tried to contact Agile? Any luck?
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Good news, AIM, ICQ and MSN were just added! (still experimental but it works for me)
Version 1.06 came out today. As far as price...dunno. It's free though till the end of Feb.
yea im also looking into some other options since i upgraded my rom. they discontinued verichat so unless you have your old license (if you bought it) its not going to work. im using octro now and it seems to be working fine. i tried installing agile but theyre files are all messed up. any more suggestions?
Not Quite sure how aim is incorporated.
How exactly does one go about using their aim acount with octro? I just downloaded the pocket pc version from the site and just got a google talk account but still haven't figured out how to contact people using aim. Is this possible? Any help would be appreciated.
thedubya914 said:
How exactly does one go about using their aim acount with octro? I just downloaded the pocket pc version from the site and just got a google talk account but still haven't figured out how to contact people using aim. Is this possible? Any help would be appreciated.
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Menu/Option/Accounts/Legacy Accounts
GoogleTalk must be online
or RTFM
Welcome to this forum
There is a new one that does them all (AIM, MSN, GTalk, Yahoo, ICQ, and Jabber) that is currently free and Java based. I quit using IM+ (which I paid for) and am using it exclusively. Currently the beta testing is closed while I think they upgrade their servers, but should open up again shortly I think).
It is supposed to be for the crackberries, but works great on my Dash and K-Jam:
http://www.bbhub.com/2007/01/25/jivetalk-im-beta-available-to-try/
http://blackberryforums.pinstack.com/17577-jivetalk_beta_multi_client_im_application.html
-Mc
malatesta said:
Good news, AIM, ICQ and MSN were just added! (still experimental but it works for me)
Version 1.06 came out today. As far as price...dunno. It's free though till the end of Feb.
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Thanks for this. Haven't heard of them yet. Ima give it a try now. If it's works great and isn't subsciption based like Agile, I'm down...
anyone get this running on WM6 specifically the T-Mobile MDA
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anyone get this running on WM6 specifically the T-Mobile MDA
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You mean Octro? It's working great under WM6 - have been testing it.
I'll publish a big roundup of all these apps in the next 1-2 days - stay tuned
hey anyone know of one that will use http proxy?
See http://forum.xda-developers.com:80/showthread.php?t=294938 for a preview of the article (sorry, it has a typo: Ocrp vs Octro. I'll fix this in the final version.)
I've been using Octro 1.09 on my 8525 on t-mobile. I prefer it to Agile. The voice function works but not very well. Excessive delay and feedback requires use of a headset. I can tether to my laptop and use GTalk and the voice is flawless. I'm hoping they work on the voice feature more. Other than issues with voice Octro is excellent.
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RE: OCTRO
The site says it expires on 2/28/07
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RE: OCTRO
The site says it expires on 2/28/07
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Then, surely a new version comes really soon.
so nothing that works via http (8080) proxy?
Hello, I am going to be in Tokyo for the next few months for work. I use an HTC Hermes here in the UK. I am interested in having the office in Tokyo get me one to use whenever I am there. Questions:
1) Is the Softbank X01HT the model to go for? What advantages does this give over Docomo? Is there an unlimited data tariff? If not, what tariff should I go for if I want to use the phone for email and internet?
2) I use IMAP mail. I have tried but been disappointed with FlexMail 2007 as an email client, particularly since it does not support Asian characters. What other email clients (other than the WM5 standard which does not support multiple IMAP email addresses) are available with Asian language capability?
3) I am thinking the HTC Hermes will be best because it will be easy for me to configure since I already have one in the UK. Are there any other leading edge WM devices available that I should also consider?
Kurvenal
Japanese Hermes
Wassup, I used to live in Tokyo and theres never really been a "unlimited" data plan. They are pretty expensive compared to like Sprint but they offer a variety of different plans to match your usage. The best thing is to talk to the carrier rep directly. Both Docomo and Softbank are the same network. GSM+WCDMA. As far as english apps go they will work as-is. Its japanese appz that won't work on english phones. (kanji and phoenetic characters use a double size font) Roman characters only need half the space so it works great. The only thing is that you won't be able to change the system to english. Hmmm, I think. I may be wrong on that one. hehe.
You might actually wanna check out the Willcom Zero3. That phone is sweet! Although it is a PHS network. Not compatible with anything outside Japan.
http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/showcase_top/26971.html
Hello S710 experts,
I have been browsing this forum for a while but haven't really found any conclusive answers to a couple of important questions I have.. I am ready to buy an S710 but need to find out the following:
I have a Blackberry plan on T-Mobile Czech Republic and everything works fine with my 8700 handset (connected to BES)..
1) if I buy an unlocked S710 how can I find and set the internet connection settings on the device? With my 8700 (which was formerly a UK Vodafone device) I just inserted the SIM and it made an EDGE connection and it was good to go. Is it that simple with the S710 or is there more to it?? Unfortunately I cannot speak a word of Czech so the local T-Mobile site is not much use!
2) I know it will be unsupported but how likely am I to be successful with BB Connect with this device/network? I have seen links to download the BB client for the S710 but has anyone managed to get it working with a setup similar to mine?
3) What about wireless syncronisation of BB calendar and contacts? This is a must for me - does it work?
Am looking forward to comments on the above and hope I can go ahead and purchase!! (now I need to find a retailer who will ship to the CR!)
Fergus
this kinda sucks but there is no messenger nor hotmail capability in the new wm6 750 att official. this sucks!
Jeesh, just download it. It took me about 30 seconds to find it in this forum. Go to this thread and there are a bunch of builds of the program to install:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334621&highlight=WLM+build+1400.CAB
do the downloads still exist? probably me, but i can't get anything to download and i'm already missing my windows live.
I spent more than 1 hour on the phone with Palm support last night (what a nightmare, I had two people asking me to hold for more than 15 min and then hanging up on me... finally got the answer from the third person after more than half hour on the phone with her).
Basically this is what I was told:
1) There is no Windows Live in the AT&T version. AT&T stripped it out. Period. They want you to use Xpress Mail and their Instant Messaging instead of Windows Live. Palm support installed WM6 on an unlocked Treo 750 and it DID have Windows Live, so it was AT&T's decision. However, Palm will try you to think that you don't get it by pointing the Mobile IM (AT&T's messenger), then by pointing you to Windows Live using a browser, then to Xpress Mail. It really got me angry until they got my point that Windows Live is NOT included in the upgrade.
2) I pointed out to Palm that the manual that you download with the Windows Mobile 6 upgrade HAS Windows Live in it (page 133 unless they replaced it). That really made me mad. The manual is called "treo750att_UGupdate.pdf" yet it contains features that are NOT included (such as Windows Live). Way to do quality check Palm...
3) I did the setup of Xpress Mail to Hotmail and I am having problems. The thing doesn't synchronize (it dies with an error saying that it cannot connect to the server).
If anybody has a chance to post in more places over the net with this information, please do it. I really feel cheated by upgrading to Windows Mobile 6 (there is no downgrade to version 5) and loosing Pocket MSN (which was now replaced by Windows Live and not included in the AT&T version).
Enough said. This is a bad image for those of us who have been waiting for almost a year for the upgrade. We get the upgrade and we are cheated (by AT&T and then Palm by not doing a quality check on the features they are publishing in their manual).
If they have replaced the manual and eliminated Windows Live from it (page 133), shot me an e-mail and I will send you a copy of the one I downloaded.
As many others I've had the error message 86000107 during ActiveSync synchronization. In my case the cause was the multiple change of ringtones on the PPC using 'VIP PIM Ringtone' (used version, see signature). Think, the cause was not using the tool but having changed >100 contacts at once.
Solution in ActiveSync on PC:
Uncheck 'contacts' in synchronization options. Take care: This will delete your contacts on PPC and your individual assignments of ringtones to contacts, too!
Confirm Deletion.
Synchronize without having 'contacts' checked. Now everything could work fine.
Check the option 'contacts' again.
Synchronize having 'contacts' checked.
Now try assigning individual ringtones again. But check synchronization after each assignment. Perhaps you find out more (ringtone not proper? ...).
llok like it is Active sync 4.5 with Wm6.1 device
Look look like if many changes happend between two sync then Active sync 4.5 with wm6.1 produce error.
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Look look like if many changes happend between two sync then Active sync 4.5 with wm6.1 produce error.
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Sorry to double post the same thing but
I don’t think its to do with the amount of data changed to be synced ,I have desk top cradle at home and in the office and I stand the phone in the cradles to charge and even if I have not changed any data the issue still happens ??
But if I un check JUST THE CONTACTS let the device sync it is ok if I then check contacts its ok again ,that is until it see the other pc this happen when no data has been changed on pc1 pc1 or ppc
Actually, it is the amount of information, but it isn't just ringtones. If you have more than 100 of anything, it will cause this error. 100 contacts, 100 appointments, 100 tasks, 100 notes, anything. Since I have far more than 100 (1300 contacts, 397 appointments in the next 2 weeks), I get the error every time I switch from one computer to another. There is a solution, but nobody is as yet releasing it. Microsoft has acknowledged it is a WM 6.1 problem, and they have supposedly released a patch, AKU 1.2. But either it has not actually been released, or all the providers are currently evaluating it and won't admit it.
I wrote HTC earlier today inquiring about the AKU 1.2 patch, and got the response that my provider would have to release it for them to provide it on their site. My provider is US Cellular. I called tec support, the original rep had no idea what I was talking about, but he transferred me to the tec support specifically for smartphones, and talked with a rep. She also didn't know about the problem, but searched their knowledge base. She first tried to give me the "solution" many have tried (removing the relationship, etc.), then she found the AKU 1.2 patch I had told her was the real solution, and acknowledged this was the real answer. Unfortunately, she says that Microsoft has not yet released the patch. My complaint was noted, but she said there was nothing to do until Microsoft released the patch. My response was that they needed to call Microsoft and complain, just I was doing with US Cellular.
I suggest that everyone needs to start calling your provider and asking when the patch will be made available. We need to light some fires. If I'm the only unhappy customer, that's too bad. If they start getting lots of unhappy customers, perhaps they will become a little more motivated. I seem to have been the first unhappy person to have called US Cellular.
To cut down the time you have to stay on hold, if you are a US Cellular customer, here's the direct # for the tec center that deals with smartphones: 888-996-5499
BTW, one suggestion the rep had was to reinstall WM6.1. "It won't hurt anything". I installed 6.1 it at the beginning of the week, and just got everything the way I liked it, including installing TouchFlo 2D. Even with backing stuff up, this isn't the solution I'm looking for. Has anyone else tried this? Does anyone want to? Can anyone see a reason why installing it a second time would make it work, when Microsoft has acknowledged they have a problem?
... i faced the same problem... founding finally the best solution - promissed.
Just use Pocket Mirror Prof. for Calendar, Tasks and Contacts. Notes u can still use with AS.
It will sync 100% without probs, much faster and seeing what is left.
(contacts about 4500, 3500 calendar entries in 30 min.)
Cheers
himariohere said:
... i faced the same problem... founding finally the best solution - promissed.
Just use Pocket Mirror Prof. for Calendar, Tasks and Contacts. Notes u can still use with AS.
It will sync 100% without probs, much faster and seeing what is left.
(contacts about 4500, 3500 calendar entries in 30 min.)
Cheers
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So your solution is to buy a $50 program, instead of MS fixing their problem? This sounds like the spam another thread warning noobs was talking about.
MS have fixed the problem in later AKU releases - it's down to the vendor to implement the fix on within their ROM's...
The HTC Diamond has been fixed, the Pro will be fixed, the HD will not have the problem, etc. etc.
Grey handsets are the Dual, Cruise, TyTN 2 and x7510 - this all use AKU1.2 so shall be affected the the '107' problem.
If your handset is branded, you will need to petition them in order for the fix to be released.
yrreP said:
MS have fixed the problem in later AKU releases - it's down to the vendor to implement the fix on within their ROM's...
The HTC Diamond has been fixed, the Pro will be fixed, the HD will not have the problem, etc. etc.
Grey handsets are the Dual, Cruise, TyTN 2 and x7510 - this all use AKU1.2 so shall be affected the the '107' problem.
If your handset is branded, you will need to petition them in order for the fix to be released.
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I have, my first post was meant to encourage others to do the same.
Bogy54 said:
So your solution is to buy a $50 program, instead of MS fixing their problem? This sounds like the spam another thread warning noobs was talking about.
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First of all, I agree on that "MS needs to to fix that".
By the way, I talked to MS and I talked to SE, both linked to each others.
In differrent forums, the topic is hot without any proofen tested "YES it works".
For this reason, I open to pay an amount for a working solution.... and meanwhile, where other people are trying to fix and to fix and to fix.... I go riding my snowboard, knowing everything works
How is that....
error message
The '100' contacts error message cropped up on my touch pro today - Im back in xda land after my mini-s died when water entered my jacket pocket on my motorbike! The xda finally came back to life....but its backlight didnt.... ah well. I played with a google G1 for three weeks before crawling back to winmo...fancy that. Android is so much easier to use than windows mobile...shame about the hardware.... but soon..... soon...
Anyway im just about to reinstall the 690 contacts on my pro - Im only posting because I happen to notice I have 90 entries in my calendar! ooo close one!
Time goes by without a working solution.
Any help yet?