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I've moved this discussion from the Kaiser_Diamond_Version_1 Thread to open it up for more discussion.
I took a very aggressive Mod Stance in the thread as within minutes of it's creation we were already on page four of posts like:
"Woot I'm first", "Where is the link", "OMG IDK WTF", and such.
Within the first 30 minutes (all before the link was posted) I had removed about 20 pages of worthless posts.
So, users of XDA-Devs give me your feedback on this...
Excuse me? Trying to make the forum more readable of all of you members, remember even with our recent pay increase ($0 added to our already excessive salary of $0) we are still underpaid and overworked allowed the privlige of getting the heel of the boot from members who don't agree with our decisions.
Do you think nobody will complain when the first usable post is somewhere around page 112?
(but of course this post will be deleted within a few minutes also so enjoy and reply while you can)
standbackiamcrazy said:
thanks for all of your hard work, but where is the humanity? and the facist moderating of this forum, i say free ranting! and also free love,(any offers?)
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Ask questions & take interest sure but 100 pages of "Woot" & "I got first post" or "Man where the %&^#$ is the DL Link" will only serve to flush this thread before the Rom is even released.
orithm said:
Are you deleting posts kyphur? Can't we ask questions and take and interest?
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orithm said:
Are you deleting posts kyphur? Can't we ask questions and take and interest?
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he is doing his job and trying to keep thread clean to discuss issues.
leo, if u have time, can u plz post benchmarks so we can compare how rom stacks against others?
Jealous, no... Everybody plays, everybody wins.
You completely missed the point of what I'm doing here. Think about what you just said, you've made now 4 posts about something that hasn't been released yet and not one of them was relevant to the topic at hand.
So we end-up with 500 posts in the thread that you have to wade through to get to the 58 which really have something to say about the Rom (once it's released) and everyone wonders why so many members simply start new threads or ask a question that has already been answered 12 times in the thread.
My threads are clean(er) because I aggressivly moderate them. I'm simply expanding that policy into this thread because I know it's gonna be huge even if it is cut down to only the essential posts.
NOTE: even this discussion about my over-aggressive moderation will be removed from the thread (although I just might make it a new thread to allow for discussion of it).
Rougenator said:
Kyphur, I have a lot of respect for u and what you do for this community. But emotions are also important. You deleted 3 of my messages... And they were not that bad... Also Everybody find its way trough the messages Leo gets. Within 2 days he gets more than 20 pages..
Jealous???
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kyphur said:
Excuse me? Trying to make the forum more readable of all of you members, remember even with our recent pay increase ($0 added to our already excessive salary of $0) we are still underpaid and overworked allowed the privlige of getting the heel of the boot from members who don't agree with our decisions.
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I would really like to thank you for moderating this fourm and deleting my message before I got the chance to delete it myself after your post.
Seriously thanks for the hard work and feel free to delete this.
Kyphur thanks man
kyphur said:
Jealous, no... Everybody plays, everybody wins.
You completely missed the point of what I'm doing here. Think about what you just said, you've made now 4 posts about something that hasn't been released yet and not one of them was relevant to the topic at hand.
So we end-up with 500 posts in the thread that you have to wade through to get to the 58 which really have something to say about the Rom (once it's released) and everyone wonders why so many members simply start new threads or ask a question that has already been answered 12 times in the thread.
My threads are clean(er) because I aggressivly moderate them. I'm simply expanding that policy into this thread because I know it's gonna be huge even if it is cut down to only the essential posts.
NOTE: even this discussion about my over-aggressive moderation will be removed from the thread (although I just might make it a new thread to allow for discussion of it).
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den85nis said:
kyphur said:
Excuse me? Trying to make the forum more readable of all of you members, remember even with our recent pay increase ($0 added to our already excessive salary of $0) we are still underpaid and overworked allowed the privlige of getting the heel of the boot from members who don't agree with our decisions.QUOTE]
I would really like to thank you for moderating this fourm and deleting my message before I got the chance to delete it myself after your post.
Seriously thanks for the hard work and feel free to delete this.
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Are you serious? - answers to my questions were not deleted but the questions were, me thinks slightly over zealous..........
EDIT: WONDER HOW LONG TILL THIS GETS DELETED
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I think deleting genuine posts has meant the post has turned into that not the fab new diamond based rom we are about to receive.
As this is the first diamond rom there will many pertinant questions not currently answered in the first post and the opportunity at least to ask should be there, even if this will need some tidying up later...IMO
Ah, but your question was quoted in the answer so instead of leaving 2 posts I left the one that contained all of the content
orithm said:
Are you serious? - answers to my questions were not deleted but the questions were, me thinks slightly over zealous..........
EDIT: WONDER HOW LONG TILL THIS GETS DELETED
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kyphur said:
Ah, but your question was quoted in the answer so instead of leaving 2 posts I left the one that contained all of the content
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My point is rather than moderating minute by minute allow there to be some questions and answers and then tidy it up. OK most posts dont add value (like this one which you can kindly delete) but does it matter? It doesn't matter deleting them I guess but it just feels a bit crappy to find out your geniune posts have been deleted 5 minutes after posting.
I've never had a Rom chef get upset about this kind of trimming and in fact Leo has thanked me for the house cleaning.
Trimming excess content from a thread is Moderator Discretion and I don't often use that as a reason to remove posts. As I said this is gong to be a bear of a thread just becuase it's the first Diamond Port so I'm just doing some preventive maintenance and trying to set the tone early on.
I will be moving all posts regarding my moeration from this thread into another thread in one of the General Forums (later this evening) so we can talk this out if anyone likes.
Everyone's input is appreciated and taken into consideration but I have seen many excellent Rom Chefs walk out of the kitchen because of too many useless posts like "Woot I got first" or "can't wait for the link" etc.
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So, while I appreciate everything you have done for us Kypher, and with all due respect, I think you are overstepping your bounds. If you strongly disagree I would talk it over with the site admins and update forum rules accordingly. If there is a forum rule that already prohibits this (other than an all inclusive "moderator discretion" then please point me to it).
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kyphur said:
I've never had a Rom chef get upset about this kind of trimming and in fact Leo has thanked me for the house cleaning.
Trimming excess content from a thread is Moderator Discretion and I don't often use that as a reason to remove posts. As I said this is gong to be a bear of a thread just becuase it's the first Diamond Port so I'm just doing some preventive maintenance and trying to set the tone early on.
I will be moving all posts regarding my moeration from this thread into another thread in one of the General Forums (later this evening) so we can talk this out if anyone likes.
Everyone's input is appreciated and taken into consideration but I have seen many excellent Rom Chefs walk out of the kitchen because of too many useless posts like "Woot I got first" or "can't wait for the link" etc.
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great point Kyphur i dont post as many of other user but many people post useless junk like the one you told, let it be people and mantain these forum clean of junk
sorry to post another (useless) post with regards to the title, but i had to speak up my opinion about this.
i really really appreciate the job kyphur and all the other moderators are doing in terms of deleting, cleaning, etc. to be honest, if we hadnt been this used to talk a lot and not say anything, this "job" would not exist. when a noob goes asking questions without searching, everybody starts flaming, but it is just because these insane 100-page threads that they are not reading.
and btw, im active on other forums as well, on different matters, and trust me, this is a more than free and common-sense forum in my opinion. i simply love it.
so lets stop posting useless posts and go to the subject thinking about the others as well, people who want to find out real things about this ROM, for example, and not other BS. for example, i was just trying to find out whether this is more than a diamond-ringtone ROM or not. i managed to find this out after 5-6 pages of threads.
to be honest, even the "im downloading now, thanks a million" posts i find useless. there should be a place with all the master cooks names where they could get thanks and donation and that should not count against the user post count. im wondering how many of those "thanks, ure a GOD", etc. kind of guys would still thank.
just my 2 cents on the matter...
kyphur said:
Jealous, no... Everybody plays, everybody wins.
You completely missed the point of what I'm doing here. Think about what you just said, you've made now 4 posts about something that hasn't been released yet and not one of them was relevant to the topic at hand.
So we end-up with 500 posts in the thread that you have to wade through to get to the 58 which really have something to say about the Rom (once it's released) and everyone wonders why so many members simply start new threads or ask a question that has already been answered 12 times in the thread.
My threads are clean(er) because I aggressivly moderate them. I'm simply expanding that policy into this thread because I know it's gonna be huge even if it is cut down to only the essential posts.
NOTE: even this discussion about my over-aggressive moderation will be removed from the thread (although I just might make it a new thread to allow for discussion of it).
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ionutz6 said:
sorry to post another (useless) post with regards to the title, but i had to speak up my opinion about this.
i really really appreciate the job kyphur and all the other moderators are doing in terms of deleting, cleaning, etc. to be honest, if we hadnt been this used to talk a lot and not say anything, this "job" would not exist. when a noob goes asking questions without searching, everybody starts flaming, but it is just because these insane 100-page threads that they are not reading.
and btw, im active on other forums as well, on different matters, and trust me, this is a more than free and common-sense forum in my opinion. i simply love it.
so lets stop posting useless posts and go to the subject thinking about the others as well, people who want to find out real things about this ROM, for example, and not other BS. for example, i was just trying to find out whether this is more than a diamond-ringtone ROM or not. i managed to find this out after 5-6 pages of threads.
to be honest, even the "im downloading now, thanks a million" posts i find useless. there should be a place with all the master cooks names where they could get thanks and donation and that should not count against the user post count. im wondering how many of those "thanks, ure a GOD", etc. kind of guys would still thank.
just my 2 cents on the matter...
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ionutule you are so right. There are many ways the topic can be organized. Seperate bug topics for example, or some Thank you tools (a post after the 1st one where all thanks stay together (i dont know if there is such a hack for this forum).
Eitherway... my respect to the rest of the chefs and the mods who r trying to keep mess out of the forums
So, the other post where i asked for Sashimi 7.5 was closed by all the way.
Why?
I don't know.
Just because i asked for the reason of deleting Sashimi from the forum?
is it so evil that i want to know if there is a backdoor or warez in this software before i load it into my phone.
I'm not interested in the fact that bengali is baned, but i just want to know whats wrong with his software. But if you will begin to close all posts with this thread, free opinion here goes down.
Just tell us what the problem with the prog is and good.
If you think that was too hard, than you could bann me, too but that has nothing to do with a community.
And by the way, thanks to thoose who send me Sashimi 7.5...
Now i'm finished
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So, the other post where i asked for Sashimi 7.5 was closed by all the way.
Why?
I don't know.
Just because i asked for the reason of deleting Sashimi from the forum?
is it so evil that i want to know if there is a backdoor or warez in this software before i load it into my phone.
I'm not interested in the fact that bengali is baned, but i just want to know whats wrong with his software. But if you will begin to close all posts with this thread, free opinion here goes down.
Just tell us what the problem with the prog is and good.
If you think that was too hard, than you could bann me, too but that has nothing to do with a community.
And by the way, thanks to thoose who send me Sashimi 7.5...
Now i'm finished
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AFAIK there is no problem with the software - bengalih "appeared" to take the thread down himself.
Now to your previous thread:
Your points in there were fine and valid I don't think P1Tater had any beef with that. But jeanga and akarnik began a discussion about bengalihs actions, which are still under review. So it was closed to avoid speculation until all the facts are known.
Ta
dave
AFAIK there is no problem with the software - bengalih "appeared" to take the thread down himself.
Now to your previous thread:
Your points in there were fine and valid I don't think P1Tater had any beef with that. But jeanga and akarnik began a discussion about bengalihs actions, which are still under review. So it was closed to avoid speculation until all the facts are known.
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dave
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Thanks for the answer my friend.
With something like that, i can life, cause it answers my questions, an good.
The fact that people are speculating about the ban is normal i think.
Cause if a member with over 1000 posts is banned people start to talk.
If someone with 50 posts is banned noone will notice.
So AlltheWay, don't be mad with me, and before people start to talk again, please close this post.
JeckyllHavok said:
So, the other post where i asked for Sashimi 7.5 was closed by all the way.
Why?
I don't know.
Just because i asked for the reason of deleting Sashimi from the forum?
is it so evil that i want to know if there is a backdoor or warez in this software before i load it into my phone.
I'm not interested in the fact that bengali is baned, but i just want to know whats wrong with his software. But if you will begin to close all posts with this thread, free opinion here goes down.
Just tell us what the problem with the prog is and good.
If you think that was too hard, than you could bann me, too but that has nothing to do with a community.
And by the way, thanks to thoose who send me Sashimi 7.5...
Now i'm finished
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In the future if you have a problem with actions taken by a Mod then PM them, ABSOLUTELY do NOT open a new thread. I am sure that AllTheWay or P1Tater would have explained to you why they closed the thread if you had followed the proper procedures. Even if done in ignorance, this can get you a temporary ban for not following the rules. Just a word of advice.
I just opend a new thread caus i noticed hat many people arround here having the same issue.
Don't understand me wrong, i don't want to piss off someone, but a mod, too can get contempt for what they do.
This is what i call freedom of speech.
(could anybody please close this thread)
I, P1Tater, closed the thread, not Alltheway. I closed it because the question was asked and answered and then a discussion pertaining to items under investigation were discussed. There was nothing meant towards anyone.
Simply put, question asked and answered and no need for discussion in to items under investigation. Therefore, thread closed.
This thread closed as well.
Is it just me, or does it seem that there are more an more people posting things in the wrong section? For instance this thread was posted in the ROM Development section. Shouldn't it be in the Software section? It doesn't make sense to me. If people would take the time to read the wiki, the posting rules, and the Section Titles, then we wouldn't have such a chaotic mess on this forum. Is it possible to implement rules for new users requiring that the spend so many days just reading before they are able to make their first post?
I think its because some people see xda as a place to get quick answers, great roms, and nice apps.....but not interested in what this site is all about, as far as working with everyone, being disciplined enough to search first, ask for help second, and be respectful. Its just a sign of the times.....people want more but dont want to take simple steps to work within the guidelines.....just my 3 cents...
The Moderators move the thread that I mentioned in my original post to the appropriate section.
Does anyone else want to weigh in on this? If so, I will try to post a poll.
Yeh, you're right but it's not like you can tell them what to do and a poll isn't really necessary don't you think?
so what should we title this thread? the *****ing thread? it happens...it's the internet after all, as one of the prior posters had mentioned, people just act rude on the net because they can.... i just try and ignore them...
Hi dudes and dudettes
Today, I have been appointed as the moderator for this forum (alongwith jayharper08).
Dont worry, I am not here to write a bible of rules for you.
Well, just 4
1 - Search before you post a new thread, a question, or a suggestion.
2 - Be tolerant towards other members. Don't forget you were a noob yourself.
3 - Donot take matters in your hands. PM me or another mod with the link to the post and why you think it should be reported.
4 - Use ENGLISH
This site is a learn from everyone site. I have learnt a lot in the last 4 years I have been on it.
And last, not be any means the least... a little fun doesnt hurt anyone
Feel free to PM me at anytime with whatever you need or want or discuss or even a hello.
Cheers guys!
Prateek
I've been moving a ton of threads lately and I'm tired of doing it nicely. From here on out, what TheImpaler747 has said above will be enforced. I have better things to do and I don't need to babysit people who can't search or post in the correct section. Expect points and/or temp bans if it happens. Senior members, PG101, and myself are tired of dealing with it.
And I'm Jay......nice to meet you
Ok people, listen up.
Usually I and the other Moderators are tolerable to comments posted in the threads. Especially the Q&A and GeneralThread.
The Dev Thread, is for .... ahem... DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES ONLY. Read it again.
There is no need to post things that should be in the Q&A forum, or the General Forum. Remember this, as I will delete it. You know the rules, you read the rules.... so... understand the rules. If in doubt, post it in the Q&A forum.
But more importantly, is lately, the use of abusive language, arguments and flaming, has gotten out of control. Threads get clogged with useless garbage, like everybody is in an "e-penis" contest with everybody else. In which case, you all lose.
It ends now.
As of today, the 19th July 2012, if I have to come and delete any more abusive, flaming, profanity laced comments, and this means Users, Dev's and Cooks alike, I will assess infraction points and recommend ban's. No questions asked. And no appeal. Enough is enough. If a user posts a profanity laced post, that's it. And the same goes for Dev's and Cooks., If it's a "retaliatory" post, that's it also.
You have a "Report Post". Learn how to use it.
You people are adults, or close to it. It's not "facebook" or any internet chat, IM, ICQ, or any other device. There are people here, the majority, who want to make their device better, and generally are good people. And they don't want to see that type of garbage.
If you have a beef with somebody, use PM. Not the forum. Or just report the post.
MD
If you need to request a ban feel free to PM me. I am not on as much as of late due to new job but check in at least twice a day and as this is my main device users here know me well and know I dont tolerate BS of any kind.