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Hey, first post, been lurking here a while (been in the market for a new WM phone for some time, and finally settled on the wizard, affordable, and more than powerful enough for my needs).
Anyway, here are the questions that I just haven't gotten my head around (all the info is a bit overwhelming, so I am going to try and ask a few pointed questions):
- Are there any hard proven (or recorded) speed differences between WM5, WM6, and WM6.1. How about general stability (comparing a clean rom, with no addons, just comparing the base os itself).
- Are there features that I should consider in these roms that are cooked in, that I CANNOT get by installing them individually on my own after flashing?
- The device I bought was a used T-Mobile 5125. It is fully unlocked, and is flashed to 6.0 with Blackdiamond release (by previous owner). Will I have any trouble flashing this back down to 5.0 if I wish, or up to 6.1?
- If I reflash my device back to a factory tmobile rom, will I run the risk of re-locking the phone?
What I am looking for:
- Stability at least close to that of the factory ROM.
- As much speed (responsiveness) as possible without overclocking
- Simple clean rom, with only the basic features:
- (OS, Office, Touchflo, HTC Apps, Wifi, GPRS, Bluetooth, Camera, MP3 Playback, Java, Web Browser, Enterprise features, and perhaps one or two utility apps)
- Definately want a touch (thumb) friendly dialer/contacts app
- Definately want a touch (thumb) friendly mp3 player/media player (coming from an ipod, looking for similar simplicity)
WOW !!!
That gave me a big 'Headache'
Can't decide what you're looking for and what shud be advised !
Can't answer all that !
Simplest answer to that is what you answered yourself already 'I realize no cell is 100% reliable, but I mean "as reliable as any other cell on the market, or at least as reliable as a factory rom"
Cheers!
Too much to read and answer. rofl
Read all the sticky themes and comments about: NBD roms, KhanX, Xda, TNT, Octavioi and Wm6.1 slim rom.
I reccomend u to use wm6. The best think would be if u use for work a simple cell phone, not pda. Cause stability and calls, sms..
Best mp3 player for me is http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=385
u can get all cracked software at ppcwarez.org
have a nice day
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That gave me a big 'Headache'
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Sorry, kinda braindumped there... I will edit original post to be short and clearer...
zabardast_1 said:
Can't decide what you're looking for and what shud be advised !
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See original post (Edited) for clearer definition of what I am asking.
zabardast_1 said:
Simplest answer to that is what you answered yourself already 'I realize no cell is 100% reliable, but I mean "as reliable as any other cell on the market, or at least as reliable as a factory rom"
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lol, come on now... if I wanted "Factory rom" I would have ignored all this, and just reflashed to factory... But I don't think it is too much to ask for a non-factory rom, that is "as stable as" factory rom... Perhaps I am totally mistaken, and if so, then I am very surprised, but then so be it.
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Read all the sticky themes and comments about: NBD roms, KhanX, Xda, TNT, Octavioi and Wm6.1 slim rom.
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I will try and read through these again. I have allready read most of the TNT stuff and KhanX. (all like 60 pages of posts on each) and I am still having trouble really distinguishing between any of it (all seem to have the same mix of "this rom rocks" with "xxx feature is bugged" other than the specific bug posts, I couldn't glean many details from it.
badguy999 said:
The best think would be if u use for work a simple cell phone, not pda. Cause stability and calls, sms..
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I realize I sounded a bit totalitarian in my "requirements" when I posted originally, perhaps I came off a bit in the extreme. I do use the phone for work, every day. BUT I specifically chose to switch from a regular phone to a pda because I carry around a pda, cellphone, and ipod everywhere I go, I want a single device that does a good job of all 3 functions. and there is NO reason that a pda/phone cannot achieve this. (hell I will write the bloody software myself if I have to, it blows my mind that it is this difficult to find something that achieves this). lol all that said, I am willing to make some sacrifices in the name of featureset. I am looking for a balance. But when I say "I need stability" I mean that relative to the pocketpc phone scene.
badguy999 said:
Best mp3 player for me is http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=385
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Yeah, I noticed simpletunes... I have done a pretty extensive search, and so far simpletunes, or HTC audio manager are the only 2 mp3 players I can find that seem to be "thumb friendly" from what I have read. Mind you I have used neither so far, so once I try them both out I guess I will know better.
Question: is HTC Audio manager built into cube? or is it a standalone app?
Also, how do you find Simpletunes for performance? does it suck alot of CPU? or is it pretty light to use?
Thanks! (and sorry I am so bloody longwinded) lol.
lol no offence, but what i'm reading between the lines is still "what rom is best for me"
Anyway I'd advise using a proven ROM, since stability is such an issue for you. That would make me not wanna pick one of the latest cooked roms, since bugs often only show after some time, and take another time to fix. Having said that, the cooked roms always come with some software, it's just a long road of trying the software and deciding if you like it or not, nobody can answer that for you.
I personally found roms that have more software shipped with em not annoying, since i hardly ever use the start menu to reach programs. I just pick the programs i use a lot and put them on the today screen.
ROM im currently using is from the TNT series, runs very stable and fast without overclocking.
PS: I wouldn't take a ROM that has cube in it, since i get the feeling u dont want much hassle with your phone. Most ROMs nowadays have different versions, just check if it has this.
-xxx-&greetz
[edit]To answer some of your questions, as far as i know flashing back to factory rom won't lock your phone again(at least it didn't for mine). Besides that, i believe Audio manager is freely available, its a great replacement for windows media player[/edit]
[edit2]"Definetly want a finger-friendly contact manager" look at PocketCM, its a good app with touch-capabilities! Flashing back to older rom should be no problemo![/edit2]
Awesome. thanks for the reply!
Yeah I realize that you see another newb asking "What's best for me" but that isn't so much what I'm asking, mostly looking for a starting point, and some clarifications on the questions I had. I will worry about making my own intelligent decision in the end, and I will try out at least a couple, just there are so many bloody roms out there now trying them out until I found one by blindly choosing would be hundreds of reflashes lol... Also as I said I will likely end up cooking my own in the end, but if I know a few good places to start, I can compare 2-3 good ones, and use that to learn enough to either cook my own, or at least then I will definately know exactly what I am looking for.
Also thanks for answering the questions about flashing back to factory... That gives me some relief, because I can flash to factory, and try that as a baseline... Then worry about extra stuff (so I know what is broken, or out of place).
The only reason I thought I wanted cube was because I was under the impression the htc dialer app, contacts app, and music manager were built into it... If they are standalone apps and cube is just "eye candy" then I definately agree, I have heard it can be a hog, and if it offers no useful functionality I will skip it for sure. Can you confirm, is it just eyecandy? (lots of people talk about it, and show it off, but in the end it is never clarified anywhere what the cube itself really is lol)
Hey, i got you're point not trying to ask a noob question, was just messing with you. I noticed with my private use that i don't flash a lot, i do it once in a few months, but once i find a ROM that i like, i just customize it to my own extent, and keep running it for a while. It's just too much hassle reconfiguring everything every 3 days. Well as far as i can tell audio manager can be installed seperate (not 110% sure, so check to be certain). I had cube on my phone for at most half an hour, the speed of it just annoyed me. Neither did i find it really usefull, i dont want to make 4 or 5 gestures before i've started the cube, and found the tab that im looking for. If u want something similar but much better, try Ultimate Launcher (google for it or look at handango.de).
Cube is nothing more then a fullscreen application, trying to replace todayscreen (but thats just my humble opinion).
-xxx-&greetz
Ooh, yeah touch commander, and ultimate launcher look nice. Yeah now that I see the individual functionality of those apps, the need for cube is highly reduced lol...
PocketCM also looks to be exactly what I am after as well... So now I will have to try those apps out, and if they do what I need then I only have to confirm the mp3 player part... Will have to try those out too to see what I like. I like the "new" look of the htc audio manager, and it is finger friendly, but I also like the oldschool ipod look/feel of simpletunes... so I will have to try both and see which I like...
Thanks again for the responses!
if you got a bluetooth stereo headset for listening to music, find out which media players support it (used one myself for a while, windows media player was more then sufficient, since i didnt have to use my phone to control the player)
And as i said, just configure your phone the way you think works nice for you, you figure out soon enough if the apps u use do what you want them to. If they don't, ask on xda-developers if people have some good alternatives for it. btw a lot of people like the HTC Home today plugin, perhaps you should take a peek at it.
So I have been trying out all of these roms for about a year now, learning how certain things work, which is fast, responsive, and looks sexier than my girl LOL. So far i have come to love the OTP roms and PDAViet roms (i just wish they could team up together on a super clean rom), but now i just want MORE! so i guess if i cant find one out there that i can be totally satisfied with, might as well just learn how to cook one. I wouldn't consider myself to be a noob, but i also wouldn't consider myself to be an expert cook. If anyone would like to help or give any feedback, i would greatly appreciate it.
Are you going for super stripped like my ROMs? Or a mix of stripped and OTP and PDAViet ROMs?
I tried to mess with the 6.5 on here with HyperCore to no avail. I'm a noob as far as Rom cooking goes. I messed around with some other Roms here to get use to it. Mainly wanted a smoother running 6.5 with my favs (Youtube, Opera, etc.) but when I used HC and the tutorial, it came out to like 8.5GB and got stuck on packaging (no Packaging.Sof). I did however get the pagepool down to 4MB like another member did and did see some mediocre results with an overclock to 299Mhz. I haven't seen the new ThrottleLaunch Morph yet, but I'm still learning. Good luck. I'll let you know if I get anything on it.
Update! unable to cook the rom!
so my last post was announcing my first rom, but tragically i broke my wing that same day due to an argument with my significant other (who knew you can break the phone in 5 different pieces when thrown). To answer Ivan's question though, i wanted the rom to have the smoothness of OPT with the memory and layout's of PDAViet's WM6.5, and add a custom flair if possible. Ive noticed certain flaw's in roms that could be an easy fix if pointed out... I do believe that if someone where to take PDAViet's WM6.5 rom and cook TL Morph into it, it might actually work a little faster. Also i have noticed that since a lot of PDAViet's roms are imports, the T-Mobile Cert's are not installed. This can cause the auto update of time and date to be incorrect as well as messaging and other functions U.S. members would use. If anyone would want to take over this project, by all means, i will greatly appreciate it... and to put my two cents in, the only real problem with it is the scripting and porting of import to domestic. To put it in other words, its like taking a JDM Honda Type R and making it a domestic Acura Type R (for those who understand cars). The parts are there, its all about putting it together. Have fun guys and I MISS MY WING!... now time to wait till the G2 comes out so my girl can buy it for me
young Kris said:
so my last post was announcing my first rom, but tragically i broke my wing that same day due to an argument with my significant other (who knew you can break the phone in 5 different pieces when thrown).
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How many pieces did her phone break into???
Hi there,
I'm looking for a base 6.1 or 6.5 rom with all the rubbish removed without ANY 3rd party application so I can start from scratch for complete customization.
I have found such a rom for the Kaiser and other phones but the closet with the raphael I could find was a Offical HTC stripped ROM which still have alot of junk on.
Basically I'm looking for a bare windows rom with stuff like windows live taken off it.
I would cook my own from scratch but I'm fairly new to this and wouldn't know what I should leave. But I do have a good idea of what cabs I need and want to install from looking at other peoples ROMs for good functionality.
Does anyone know of a ROM like this?
Thanks!
matt09 said:
Hi there,
I'm looking for a base 6.1 or 6.5 rom with all the rubbish removed without ANY 3rd party application so I can start from scratch for complete customization.
I have found such a rom for the Kaiser and other phones but the closet with the raphael I could find was a Offical HTC stripped ROM which still have alot of junk on.
Basically I'm looking for a bare windows rom with stuff like windows live taken off it.
I would cook my own from scratch but I'm fairly new to this and wouldn't know what I should leave. But I do have a good idea of what cabs I need and want to install from looking at other peoples ROMs for good functionality.
Does anyone know of a ROM like this?
Thanks!
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If you cook your own, you just leave out the EXT packages, everything else is OEM and generally necessary.
Otherwise you'll find lite ROMs with no Manila but probably not a 100% stripped down version because there's no demand for it.
It would just be the base ROM from the kitchen w/o EXT packages installed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=543669
This one looks like a good base without ATT bloat, but still has some other basic stuff included.
or this one with wm6.1 from Da_G
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446652
Thanks peeps that's more what I was looking for, the second link in particular but it still has some stuff I would rather be without or apps I wouldn't want because I'd replace them with a better one. Am I able to remove these using the OEM/ROM/SYS files and Raphael Kitchen - is this the most easy to use cooking program?
Sorry some of those questions probably seem stupid I've been doing alot of reading though theres alot to work out at the start.
If anyone has any more really stripped roms like Da_g's I would really appreciate it.
Thanks
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Thanks peeps that's more what I was looking for, the second link in particular but it still has some stuff I would rather be without or apps I wouldn't want because I'd replace them with a better one. Am I able to remove these using the OEM/ROM/SYS files and Raphael Kitchen - is this the most easy to use cooking program?
Sorry some of those questions probably seem stupid I've been doing alot of reading though theres alot to work out at the start.
If anyone has any more really stripped roms like Da_g's I would really appreciate it.
Thanks
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You are not getting any more lightweight than dag's...
I'm afraid you got to do it yourself. Try it and post your ROM. I'll be the first one to try it (after you, that is.)
Ok but is it possible to extract remove and re-cook his own rom, only removing a few applications and not system files? If so what program?
Thanks
Just an FYI the term for blank roms is "Vanilla"
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Ok but is it possible to extract remove and re-cook his own rom, only removing a few applications and not system files? If so what program?
Thanks
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Use the kitchen to BUILD your own ROM. That's it.
Sorry for being an idiot but which program is the kitchen, the only one I found was a DOS one but the ones I've seen in threads have a proper windows GUI?
Thanks
matt09 said:
Sorry for being an idiot but which program is the kitchen, the only one I found was a DOS one but the ones I've seen in threads have a proper windows GUI?
Thanks
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Start here.
ive been trying to put some cool stuff on my verizon xv6900(htc vogue) like throttle launcher and Manila 2D, but it makes my phone slower and freezes a lot, i dont know if its in the way i install it or not but i was wondering if i need a new rom to make it work better. and i was also wondering what other good software is there like manila 2d to use.
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ive been trying to put some cool stuff on my verizon xv6900(htc vogue) like throttle launcher and Manila 2D, but it makes my phone slower and freezes a lot, i dont know if its in the way i install it or not but i was wondering if i need a new rom to make it work better.
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hey there,
what rom are you using now?
the stock one that came with the phone on the phone it says rom version 3.14.605.1 and im using windows mobile 6.1. thanks for replying so quick
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the stock one that came with the phone on the phone it says rom version 3.14.605.1 and im using windows mobile 6.1. thanks for replying so quick
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Hey there,
Kool no probs, the vogue is a reasonably old device and as such doesnt have a huge amount of memory.
Running the apps you mention will use a lot of memory esp if you have some other apps open.
If i were you, i would wonder over to the vogue section, do some reading to understand how to flash a cooked rom on ur fone.
Using a cooked lite rom will release some memory and will depending on the rom will give u a much newer interface to use, rather than the old touchflo.
Just make sure you do a bit of reading first so u dont end up bricking ur device
Greetz and have fun.
i have researched a lot about putting roms in phones but im still not confident enough and worried about bricking it, i wish there was a video on this website b/c ive seen only one on the internet and it wasnt too specific.
One last question what else can i do if i decide not to take the risk with the rom is there other software? i know that htc home coustimzer is one option.
sorry but forgot i got one more question, if i put a micro sd memory card would that also solve the proglem?
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i have researched a lot about putting roms in phones but im still not confident enough and worried about bricking it, i wish there was a video on this website b/c ive seen only one on the internet and it wasnt too specific.
One last question what else can i do if i decide not to take the risk with the rom is there other software? i know that htc home coustimzer is one option.
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Yes u can use that to change the appearance of htc home, you can do quite a lot with that, like colours etc.
If you delve into ur device a little, you can find the pic files for the clock and change them so they look like the touchflo3d clock (just wont flip)
Dont worry, spend your time reading, it is acutally quite simple to hardspl and flash, just the first time is kinda scary lol.
okay man thanks a lot.
Hi I was just wanting some conformation that i am not the only person who finds windows mobile 6.5 on the HTC HD2 an almost un usable experience.
It crashes so many times in a day, you try to unlock it by sliding the unlock tab and it get to the edge and does nothing, you can’t press any button apart from the off button again and then you have start the whole thing again and if your lucky... after 5 attempts it works or you have to reset!
The typing in messages and on most other programs is so slow it cant keep up, it hangs and stalls and looses most of the spaces and jumps around the txt typing in where ever it wants.
Its incapable to switch from the home screen to the programs screen without stalling and hanging around, and the general user experience of all the user input is slow!
Forgive me if this is covered ground for everyone but for me it’s the most powerful phone on the market and it’s still useless!?
Does anyone have and tips? or any other rants about it?
you can always flash it
Dude just flash a custom ROM on there, what phone do you have and what network?
Before flashing, try doing a hard-reset (you'll have to do that anyway if you are going to flash). See if that solves the problem. Could well be that it is some prog or a left-over of some prog that is screwing things up. I still have the shipped ROM on-board and it runs silky smooth, until I try to be too clever, but then it's my fault
Good luck!
im on a HD2 and looking at puting android on it, but waiting for a new memory card later this week.
what other roms can i flash to it? im on o2...?
but my point was rarther why the hell can microsoft get away wit hreleasing stuff that doesent work still but help is great!
its nothing to do with microsoft, MS release software to a developer who then fits it in to a handset, that process need drivers and a much of work, its not like Windows on a desktop where you can simply update a driver or two with an exe.
read all of the work here regarding flashing, Update to a new ROM, i use Energy, make sure you do it correctly, and it will fly, i have Energys latest and its great, no crashes, good bat, very fast, there is nothing id like to change...well the HSDPA is crap but that might just be my area.
Speaking of Android, i have a copy running from my SD and removing the obvious issues with it just now and assuming it will be fixed by the time it becomes flashable Android brigs nothing new, in my opinion its the same as WM6.5.x with sence 2.5 the only advantage that i can see is the app store
ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
i HATE wm with a passion! get rid of it lol and put android on it!
WM is just fine for me.
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ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
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Yeah, as was said before, it's not necessarily MS's fault the rom sucks. First, HTC effs everything up and then the carrier drops the final turds in the mix. Look for OMarket-it has many more apps than marketplace, and they're all free. There's a lot of junk, but there's very good stuff there, too.
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ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
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In a manor of speak yes HTC are to blame for most of the issues we have on the devices, first and formost is the fact that HTC never licenced the graphics drivers from QC, second MS provide a blank slate that HTC fills in, lets assume for a second that its all up to MS and in so asuming every WM device ever made is also MS fault, then why is it that some devices work fantastic? the reason is because the manufacture and finally the networks stick their greedy paws on it and bodge it, this is exactly why windows phone 7 is so locked down, MS know for well that the manufactures and networks screw their image so much with WM that they have reduced their ability to do so.
but anyway you will believe what you want, if you look at a ROM with a preconception that its going to be crap then you will only ever see a crap ROM so you may as well give up now.
as for the app store vs the WM market place, your choice of words is intresting.
the marketplace actually has quite a few pieces of decent software, you know in the £20+ range, the app store has shed loads of....well, crap really, but there is much more to choose from and you are more likely to find something thats worth getting so again its down to choice, quality / quantity to suite your needs argument again.
installing android is easy if you already have HSPL 2 or 3 installed. seriously worth reading the guides to make sure you have the correct versions of radio and ROM installed!!
So flash the latest radio, and one of the recomended ROMs, ive used energy without issue, once you done that its just a matter of downloading a build of android, that usually containes everything to give things a quick bash, if you fancy it, you can then do some updating, but its your call, if your using cooked ROMs then as long as you have a recent ROM your most of the way there.
ive tried a newer android build for a couple of days and again, assuming all the bugs are to go and speed is improved, i still dont see a huge difference, its perhaps a bit more refreshing, but its also a bit more limited, ill continue to test it out
Sorry it took me so long to get back but thanks for all of this im now happily running froyo 2.1 on the hd2 now looking for an updated cooked rom because of the google update!
yeah I know