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!!!! Final ULTIMATE - No Bugs HTC Universal WM6 ROM!!!!

The FINAL ABSOLUTE NO BUGS HTC Universal WM6 ROM
Sorry - had to split it into 3 parts - webserver has a bit of a bug...
Here are the parts:
http://vidmes.com/Uni/final/part1
http://vidmes.com/Uni/final/part2
http://vidmes.com/Uni/final/part3
ENJOY!

Now that you have opened the links in the above post you will have the 3 most important pages\tools in the Xda Dev Forums..
In case you don't know what they are, the links go to:
Midget_1990's announcement (on the top of this section of the forum) <<< Read the announcement carefully
The Wiki (Click on the picture of the Universal to go to the Universal section)
Searching Xda Dev via Google (a bit better than the forum's search tool)
(and if you didn't click on the links - do so!)
How to's
Installing a ROM
Grab the ROM. Usual places are:
Xda Dev FTP's Uploads (Username:xda Password:xda)
TehPenguin's Mirror
RapidShare
WM-Gurus (You need to be a member - DO NOT sign up unless you ARE a guru...)
Read the ROM's ReadMe file (if it has one)
Install the latest version of ActiveSync on your computer
Disconnect your Universal
Get your Universal into Bootloader mode (I'll let you search the wiki for that...)
Connect your Universal (and allow new drivers to install (XP will complain, but just hit 'Continue'))
Follow the instructions that came with the ROM (you don't need to Soft Reset or get into bootloader - we've already done that)
Submitting a Bug Report
Ensure that you have tested every possible fix (Remember: This is a DEVELOPMENT community...)
Search for other fixes or tweaks that you could try (on the wiki, in other sections of the forum)
Find the correct thread (for the ROM version you are using, or the type of bug)
Give as much details as possible. Such as:
Type of Universal (JasJar, Exec, Dopod, etc)
The nature of the bug - being descriptive (ask yourself: "Will people understand what I am saying?")
Any software on your Universal that may be cause the error (or you believe is involved)
If the bug involves your PC (eg syncing issues) - The OS (XP, Vista, Linux(??)) that the PC is running and any software that may be involved (eg ActiveSync Version xx, Office 2003, etc)
Exceptions: If it is a common bug, over different ROMs, then you are permitted to create a new thread (eg for the Bluetooth headsets malfunctioning...)
Dealing with n00bs
BE POLITE (they may, one day, grow into contributing members... or even developers!)
Find the correct answer to their question (keep reading... it gets better)
DO NOT GIVE THEM DIRECT LINKS
Give them the link to the search page with the results. Why?
They will learn how to spot a relevant result
They will learn correct search terms
It prevents them from becoming lazy
If the result is hard to spot, give them a clue (eg it contains the words "Attachements: bubblefixV2.cab")
Encourage them to learn and share their knowledge (such that they will learn the pain of n00b questions)
Insert a link to this thread, shouting the praises of the "Ultimate, Bug Free" Rom you found...
Extra information / FAQ
Will this ROM work on my iPaq x2932/Asus 454323/Nokia 5110/etc...
NO! This is the forum for the HTC Universal - rebranded as the O2 Xda Exec, I-Mate JasJar, Dopod 900, QTek 9000, etc - The ROMs are specific for these devices and will not work (without serious hacking) on any other device!
I tried flashing - now my Universal doesn't work!!
Reset it in bootloader (hold power + backlight button, now press the reset button), try to resinstall the ROM with my instructions above. If this fails, try a different ROM, if that fails - search the forums
I are tri instl bt hedset 4 mms... no work... fail!... plz help? not work? k thnx
WHAT???? Firstly, SPEAK ENGLISH! Exceptions are made for those who don't speak english as a first language - but this is a forum, not MSN or IRC, so t-a-k-e y-o-u-r t-i-m-e and construct logical sentences. This gives a good impression on those who may help you and makes it easier for non-english speakers (and sometimes those that do speak english) to understand what is going on
My installation of Obscure-Pocket-App-Noone-Has-Heard-Of-Before(TM) doesn't work!
Welcome to the world of upgrading. Try to see if the company has produced a new version, or if there is an alternative. Otherwise downgrade back to WM5...
Finally - if you read nothing else, at least read this:
This a forum of Developers - all things on here are Betas and are (no offence to the find people that make them) full of bugs
If you require a stable device stick to the latest WM5 official release from your provider
Also, upgrading the firmware to a non-official version voids the warranty - SO BEWARE THE RISKS AND USE ROMS CAREFULLY
- And one last thing: Welcome to the Xda-Developers forum!!
(ps. I make no apologise - those that are experienced enough not to need to read this should be happy to see it exists, those that are inexperienced need to read this anyhow)
(pps. Just some stats: at the time of posting Midget's announcement had just over 800 views, whereas the ROM threads had (much) more than 20 000 each - this is just one justification for this post)

thanks. good info.

The final ultimate, finally has videocall?

teixeirabmb said:
The final ultimate, finally has videocall?
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omfg. a sad day for human intelligence.

[edit:
wrote something, but nevermind ]

This all seems a little cruel...
"http://vidmes.com/Uni/final/"
Can you explain:
"There is no cabal
"This is not a file
"Hail Eris!"
?

why the links can not work
why the links can not work

FAKE????
is this a fake??? even final roms still have bugs!!!
what build number does it have??? did you get it from HTC directly?

markymanxxx said:
This all seems a little cruel...
"http://vidmes.com/Uni/final/"
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"Cruel" is some of the n00b questions that we have to put up with (just have a look at THIS thread - the number of people that believe that the ROM is real!)
markymanxxx said:
Can you explain:
"There is no cabal
"This is not a file
"Hail Eris!"
?
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No, I will not explain - but you're welcome to PM me with your guesses
(ps. If you do know the answer(s), don't spoil it for everyone else!)

very funny
I'm spending much of time in this forum...such jokes should be done somewhere else!!!!!!! thanks for your understanding!

chico83 said:
I'm spending much of time in this forum...such jokes should be done somewhere else!!!!!!! thanks for your understanding!
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This is not a joke - it is SERIOUS
Do realise that, in the last hour, Midget's announcement has gained 10% of its total views. This is quite impressive as that last hour constitutes a mere 0.2% of the time it has existed.
Personally I believe that this thread is quite a success...

Midget_1990 said:
omfg. a sad day for human intelligence.
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YES! Because of this topic! I thought xda is a place where such 'jokes' are removed!

Are you boring TehPenguin?
Pero este tio es gilipollas o que?

Final
@TehPenguin
@Midget_1990
Even if you have a official release it doesn't say it's bugs free
For sample: Why does Windows needs to be updated otherwise?
Cheers,
Leo

i dont see any link to the "ultimate rom" . this is indeed a joke on all those poor fellas coming in looking to get the so called wm6 final bug free rom.

Please help me!!!
After flashing my Universal with this ROM, my coffeemaker stopped working and my refrigerator keeps rebooting!

TehPenguin said:
The FINAL ABSOLUTE NO BUGS HTC Universal WM6 ROM
Sorry - had to split it into 3 parts - webserver has a bit of a bug...
Here are the parts:
http://vidmes.com/Uni/final/part1
http://vidmes.com/Uni/final/part2
http://vidmes.com/Uni/final/part3
ENJOY!
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@ TehPenguin
Are you in advertising ?
As I understand, most if not all rom makers enjoy the attention and maybe even adoration they receive.
This, to me is proven by "handing" out their work and asking for replies, in an open forum community.
Therefore they could / should also expect some very silly noob questions.
(I think even the rommakers were ones Noobs themselves)
Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the marvelous work they do, and they deserve every praise they get for that.
But please don't wine.
Greetings,
Wout

WRaymond said:
After flashing my Universal with this ROM, my coffeemaker stopped working and my refrigerator keeps rebooting!
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re set
your house on fire
problem solved

kchris said:
YES! Because of this topic! I thought xda is a place where such 'jokes' are removed!
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And now the topic is sticky !

How would you guys like a Bugtracker?

I'm currently working on a Bugtracker for the xda-developers (my own project - wasn't asked by anybody)
The idea behind it is to allow:
The Developers to see what bugs are outstanding
The user to submit their problems
The curious to see which ROM has less bugs
The n00bs to do research before asking questions (and have more places to spam)
I'm not planning to replace the forums, I just want to make an extra tool that can be used along side the forums - but is neater for bug reporting
Feel free to post your thoughts on if you like it (and so what should be included) or if you don't like it (and so what should replace it, if anything)
Thanks!

Hey, that's very nice.
But.. Are we talking about a new website? or just a new thread?

DaVince said:
Hey, that's very nice.
But.. Are we talking about a new website? or just a new thread?
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Entirely new website.
It will be hosted on my http://www.vidmes.com webserver

i voted approving the bugtracker but i like the idea of all the information about universal development being centralized in one only location.
so, i think it would be interesting to keep it in this forum.

It's ok, we'll just have a sticky thread that has a link to TehPenguin's site.
I vote you go for it TehPenguin.

DaVince said:
It's ok, we'll just have a sticky thread that has a link to TehPenguin's site.
I vote you go for it TehPenguin.
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Well, I've done some tentative work on it - and its looking good (if a little bare - I'm a software developer, not a web designer )
I'm a little busy this week, so its going to be about 2 weeks before I announce the link for the Beta
In the mean time, I'd like suggestions as to what people want in it
(Also, I notice one negative vote - I'd like to see their argument....)
Thanks!

Great Idea
I think mandatory information should be
1) Device Vendor...ie Imate, XDA etc
2) Radio stack in use
3) OS Rom in use
4) Third party software installed ( I know this list can be big, I myself have well over 100 apps as std) but is important for diagnosing bugs. Perhaps we could get an AppMgr listing from each system, not too hard to obtain.
You could also go overboard a little and have a PDA page, browseable from our Uni's so nothing graphics intensive or fancy. A simple login dialogue ( Can we port XDA-Dev user accounts?) once the user has logged in, they fill in a basic form with the bug description, click on submit and we could pull the information in points 1 to 4 above off of the device with a script.
Just my 50pence worth.
Great idea m8, hope it gets somewhere.............let me know if I can help with anything.
Cheers,
Beast

yes! would be really helpful for cooks

beast0898 said:
I think mandatory information should be
1) Device Vendor...ie Imate, XDA etc
2) Radio stack in use
3) OS Rom in use
4) Third party software installed ( I know this list can be big, I myself have well over 100 apps as std) but is important for diagnosing bugs. Perhaps we could get an AppMgr listing from each system, not too hard to obtain.
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What I was planning to do with this is to have them describe a "Bug" in very generic terms as the Bug's description. Then they are required to add a comment (which other people may add) - this comment would have a "template" which would have things such as vendor, radio (I didn't actually think of this one), etc...
beast0898 said:
You could also go overboard a little and have a PDA page, browseable from our Uni's so nothing graphics intensive or fancy. A simple login dialogue ( Can we port XDA-Dev user accounts?) once the user has logged in, they fill in a basic form with the bug description, click on submit and we could pull the information in points 1 to 4 above off of the device with a script.
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Some good ideas but....
I can't actually get info from the xda-developer's forums database - this may be a security risk on their behalf and would require far to much messing around to organise (as much as I would like to do it)
You will be able to view the page on your PDA's - its _very_ basic and I'll try to keep it xHTML complaint and do fanciness with CSS (though at the moment it does use some table hax)
Pulling info out of the PDA is virtually impossible (unless I build an app for the PDA's.... maybe later ) since the pda only tells me what browser version it is using
Either way - these are the things I like to see - Ideas!!!!
Keep them coming!

DaVince said:
It's ok, we'll just have a sticky thread that has a link to TehPenguin's site.
I vote you go for it TehPenguin.
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I totally agree with DaVince, having a bug tracking website would be cool and having a link directly to the site via xda-developers is a good idea. Keeping everything centralised and available for use by everyone who uses xda-developers.
You have my vote! Would be a great tool...
gsmknight

TehPenguin said:
What I was planning to do with this is to have them describe a "Bug" in very generic terms as the Bug's description. Then they are required to add a comment (which other people may add) - this comment would have a "template" which would have things such as vendor, radio (I didn't actually think of this one), etc...
Some good ideas but....
I can't actually get info from the xda-developer's forums database - this may be a security risk on their behalf and would require far to much messing around to organise (as much as I would like to do it)
You will be able to view the page on your PDA's - its _very_ basic and I'll try to keep it xHTML complaint and do fanciness with CSS (though at the moment it does use some table hax)
Pulling info out of the PDA is virtually impossible (unless I build an app for the PDA's.... maybe later ) since the pda only tells me what browser version it is using
Either way - these are the things I like to see - Ideas!!!!
Keep them coming!
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Hi TehPenguin,
Surely we can run a JScript or Vbs through the PPC Browser to get the required data from the Reg, only a couple of RegReads!
Just another thought............... I prefer accurate information, the reg is less likely to make mistakes than a user!! (No offence intended to anyone)
L8r,
Beast

Bugtracker
Hi,
Would be great to have this.
Looking forward
Leo

Why not use one of the many bugtrackers already out there? I prefer Flyspray (http://www.flyspray.org/) since it's as mighty as Mantis, but more Web 2.0 ... and you should be able to browse it on your PPC, although I don't think anybody really wants this ...
Cheers,
-mARKUS
P.S.: As for getting registry stuff through the PPC ... I doubt you can read out the registry by a JavaScript running on the page itself. Also there are many geeks out there who use Resco so they could easily export a .reg-file and attach it to the report.

mbirth said:
Why not use one of the many bugtrackers already out there? I prefer Flyspray (http://www.flyspray.org/) since it's as mighty as Mantis, but more Web 2.0 ... and you should be able to browse it on your PPC, although I don't think anybody really wants this ...
Cheers,
-mARKUS
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I've had a look at at a number of bug reporting systems - the problem with them is that I'd have to end up customising it quite a bit anyway. For instance, they are typically designed for one program, possibly with options to support different parts\plug-ins for these programs. My design involves having multiple "Devices" each with multiple "ROMs", which may be deprecated, and each of these ROMs have multiple bugs - thats a couple more levels of complexity than the average bug tracker can handle.
Although they are more "Web 2.0" the Javasript\other fanciness would make it difficult to view on a PDA. Personally I prefer the old style Web 1.0 and a PHP back end
The other advantage of me making it is that you guys can have, almost, anything you want - and it should be done as soon as I have time, seeing as I know the code intimately.
And the point I really like - I love coding
mbirth said:
P.S.: As for getting registry stuff through the PPC ... I doubt you can read out the registry by a JavaScript running on the page itself. Also there are many geeks out there who use Resco so they could easily export a .reg-file and attach it to the report.
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Exporting a reg file is the only possibility. Due to "security" problems, no script can actually see the registry of the device (or your PC for that matter), except what is in the "User Agent" key.
I'll put it on the "TODO" list to make a .NET program that automatically dumps your settings and creates a bug report
Given time, this can become quite beautiful. And time is now something that I will have - since I'm on holidays for the next few weeks!! (Yay for no more exams!!)

The alpha version is almost finished
I'll put a link up onto WM-Gurus for the final testing stage of the Alpha and see how it goes
Once the Alpha is complete (ie not too buggy) I'll put the link for the Beta here
Enjoy!

this is really a great idea.
i hope all goes well...
thanks to all!

Okay,
ALPHA VERSION IS NOW AVAILABLE!!!!
You can see it by going to: http://xdabugs.vidmes.com
Feel free to register or use the following users:
Username "test" password "testing" (Access level - registered user)
Username "dev" password "dev" (Access level - developer)
Username "admin" password "password" (Access level - administrator)
PLEASE NOTE: At the end of the Alpha stage, ALL DATA WILL BE CLEARED FROM THE DATABASE!
What I need people to do:
Look for bugs
Write the Help\FAQ sections
Ask me questions so I can write the Help\FAQ sections
See what else is needed
Enjoy!!

[To all rom dev] RomStats: get real stats about roms, devs, devices,... [WIP]

So you are a rom modder/dev and you want to have real stats about your rom? Not sure?
You probably have those question unanswered right now:
how many users installed and are using your rom?
which versions of your rom are your users running?
people stop using your rom, what rom do they install to replace yours?
what is your share of the market, compared to other devs?
where are your users from?
and so on...
Imagine getting graphs, pie charts,.. with all those data? Would be awesome, right?
To start gathering data that I've prepared a small app, RomStats (see note (1)). It's meant to be installed by modders & rom devs into their roms, any rom!
When installed in a rom, the app will show a notification in the notif bar after the first boot (right after installing the rom) asking the user to participate in stats.
After the user agree, some ANONYMOUS data are send to a database online.
At the moment, the app is done, the database to collect is done. What is still pending is to develop the stats reporting pages (the most interesting part of it).
So, if you are a dev, and are interested in that, show you interest here, and install the app in your roms so data start to be collected.
I hope people see the potential behind this, and start to implement it in their roms. I'll probably need some help from web developers & reporting-skilled guys :-D.
At the moment, as a proof of concept, you can go to this page. there is almost no stats, just a counter how much unique devices (phones), devs, phones model... are registred in the database. I'll continue enhancing the type of information presented to the visitor. We could also imagine creating some private sections for devs :-D!
How to install the app in your roms: (it SHOULD be done by the rom's dev! not by every user):
Download the apk (latest version in now in the Market): com.adlx.stats.apk (direct link)
Place the apk in /system/app (in your update.zip)
Add those 3 lines to /system/build.prop, changing the value to reflect your dev nickname, your rom's name and your rom version:
ro.stats.devname=Adlx
ro.stats.romname=Adlxmod
ro.stats.romversion=3.0.0.2
And that's it!
I would love many devs consider participating, so of course, feel free to re-distribute RomStats with your next rom or next patch (don't forget to configure the 3 lines in build.prop, or it won't gather correctly your info).
I repeat, if I see people interest and I see data actually getting collected everyday from several roms, devices,... then I'll continue the project. Any help is welcome of course!
What data are collected:
* A unique identifier of the device
* Identifier of the device model
* The nickname of the rom's dev
* The name of the rom (without version or model information)
* The rom version number, preferably a.b[.c[.d]]
* Information of the carrier (name, ID)
* From which country is the device (given by the carrier)
The data are ANONYMOUS (regarding the identifier of the device, it's taken from an Android API call, then hash using md5, so it can't be reversed).
Here is an interesting article by Chris Soyars explaining more about how the stats work, and why users should participate: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/cmstats-what-it-is-and-why-you-should-opt-in.
Notes & Credits:
(1) RomStats is based on CMStats from Cyanogenmod, by Chris Soyars (Apache licensed). For the moment I have slighly modified it to be able to work with any rom, and send the data to another site.

sound like a good idea, I hope devs will support this.

Sounds good!
thank's a lot, i put your apk in my last rom!

iaio72 said:
Sounds good!
thank's a lot, i put your apk in my last rom!
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Awesome. I'll try to enhance asap the stats that are shown.
Next week I'll be on holidays, so I will probably not be able to do much, but when I come back I'll continue.
Sent from my Defy running adlxmod using Tapatalk

pomah said:
sound like a good idea, I hope devs will support this.
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I believe it's a win-win for users and devs, the more people collaborate, the more data get collected, the better get the stats.
Sent from my Defy running adlxmod using Tapatalk

Updated app (same link in the OP) to 1.0.5.
Added screenshots to the OP.

Thanks for app
+1 in my rom => http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040144
Suggest:
edit in build.prop
Code:
ro.product.device=Motorola Defy MB525
to have unique devices instead umts_jordan, etc etc

Good.
I'll put these app on my ROM.

Wow only a few hours after I cooked this baby in to thunderstickGB website down. That sucks, oh well...
Thanks for all the work on this. definitely worth it.

is this app open source? can anyone see the source code? I like the idea, I am not a dev but as a user, I would allow the app to run in order to participate in the stats (I already did it when I used CM7), however, someone could think is too dangerous to have an app like that running in every custom ROM. But if everyone can check the source code, it would be more transparent.
Hope don't take for bad my comment.

ThunderStick said:
Wow only a few hours after I cooked this baby in to thunderstickGB website down. That sucks, oh well...
Thanks for all the work on this. definitely worth it.
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YEah, sorry about the downtime. It definitely took long time. Yet it wasn't my fault. I'm relying on a free hosting platform. They perform quite great anyway (especiallly when you remember it's free).
RomStats site is now up again.
Regarding your stats, don't fear, you will not loose the count of your installs because of the downtime. Next time the device will chackin it will appear :-D.
Welcome aboard and thanks for using RomStats

Bump for an awesome idea
Sent from my ThunderStick via a bolt of lightning.

I will try it in ny next MS2Ginger Build.

Hello,
I am thinking ofputting this'll in my next Rom.
is there anyway to impliment bug crashes/reports.
or a page where we can see our own rom stats like country my users are in?
It only currently shows how many users.
Thanks

A quick bump, just to say that RomStats have hit the 25k Unique devices mark!
Interface has been enhanced, with possibility to filters data simply by clicking on the charts.

adlx.xda said:
A quick bump, just to say that RomStats have hit the 25k Unique devices mark!
Interface has been enhanced, with possibility to filters data simply by clicking on the charts.
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For a developer trying to see these stats,
It shows, when it even works, very little.
anyway to improve this?
I have never been able to view my rom stats.
it always looks like the pics below.
I'm sorry to say, but if i can't view them, why use this app?
Yes, build.prop is correct.
Am I missing something obvious?

dizgustipated said:
For a developer trying to see these stats,
It shows, when it even works, very little.
anyway to improve this?
I have never been able to view my rom stats.
it always looks like the pics below.
I'm sorry to say, but if i can't view them, why use this app?
Yes, build.prop is correct.
Am I missing something obvious?
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The problem is I'm using Google Chart Tools, which are not yet compatible with Mobile device... which is weird coming from Google.
So, unfortunately, you need to go from a computer, but it works, and it's now much faster than before! I optimized a bit the DB to get faster response to queries also.
Go there to see your stats: http://adlx.net84.net/stats.php?devname=dizgustipated

The Website is down

Gerrett said:
The Website is down
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Yeah sorry, the whole project is dead.

adlx.xda said:
Yeah sorry, the whole project is dead.
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I'm very sorry to hear that. Been with you for awhile.
Is there any way I can get a copy of my last stats? (Before the project went dead)
At anyrate, thank you for your wonderful creation.

Rom OP Format...DEVS READ PLEASE

Below is a format that should be used as an example of how a rom thread should look. It doesnt have to be exact. I suggest that you stay creative and use all the features in the advanced panel when creating a thread.
1. Name of rom, team, etc
2. Introduction
3. Changelog in code or php tags
4. What's included in the rom in the (apps, tweaks, scripts, addons, mods) in code of php tags
5. What works/what doesn't work in code or php tags
6. Credits (Users name-with link to (profile/github/or thread u got tweak from embedded), and what they did to help you)
7. Screenshots (2-10 different screenshots of different aspects of rom)
8. Kernel with either link to thread you got it from or github (if stock sense or cm please state that and that is enough)
9. Instructions on how to install the rom (also if special instruction for a2sd or beats audio...etc)
10. Do's and Don'ts of the rom
11. Questions & Answers section (I find this helpful to write out asked questions with solutions at the bottom of the op. I find that it cuts down on the question being asked a million times)
12. Finally the dl link
13. Additional add-ons (this can go into first post or reserved posts after)
I find the embedded link looks and feels better throughout the op if possible.
All sections should have a header with enlarged text and spaced out so people can read it easily.
I am hoping that this helps to make this section a little cleaner and easier. enjoy
The way I look at this is that it takes US weeks/days/hours to make these roms....we can take the time out to make sure that the op looks professional and clean
Also Make sure the op is fully ready before posting. I know we all get excited to release a rom but stating that half the stuff will be updated as time permits just shows that you are lazy and in a hurry which doesnt look good cause if thats the case then how does your rom run....
No posting a a rom thread without a DL link either

Thanks Papa Smurf151 i think everyone who is getting ready to post a rom should be redirected here!
sorry if im not allowed to post here, so please delete my comment if needed

i left this open for feedback

How about how stable it is like in the old days?
I remember last year everyone would label them as beta, RC, final etc.

bennyboy78 said:
How about how stable it is like in the old days?
I remember last year everyone would label them as beta, RC, final etc.
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I think what Papa Smurf outlined in the OP is more then enough and it covers the basics while keeping the majority of the threads uniformed or at least try to
I also don't think we should start being over critical here and require individuals that start threads in the development section to add labels like Alpha, Beta, MC, RC or whatever.
I understand that having labels would make things a whole lot easier for the user BUT it also doesn't encourage the user to read about what he or she flashes onto their phone.
I don't know how many times I've seen a user complain and harass developers over something that was clearly their (the user) fault because they didn't read the OP. They saw fancy screenshots and saw the download link and either ended up bricking their phone or causing their phone to turn into a hot pocket...lol
Not trying to tell people how to do their job BUT I think we should encourage users to read/search more not shortcut things for users.

Mazda said:
I think what Papa Smurf outlined in the OP is more then enough and it covers the basics while keeping the majority of the threads uniformed or at least try to
I also don't think we should start being over critical here and require individuals that start threads in the development section to add labels like Alpha, Beta, MC, RC or whatever.
I understand that having labels would make things a whole lot easier for the user BUT it also doesn't encourage the user to read about what he or she flashes onto their phone.
I don't know how many times I've seen a user complain and harass developers over something that was clearly their (the user) fault because they didn't read the OP. They saw fancy screenshots and saw the download link and either ended up bricking their phone or causing their phone to turn into a hot pocket...lol
Not trying to tell people how to do their job BUT I think we should encourage users to read/search more not shortcut things for users.
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Well said, couldn't agree any more.

MBQsniper said:
Well said, couldn't agree any more.
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See I assumed this was common sense and ROMs that are missing a lot of these details, I don't give the time of day too so those ROMs don't matter to me. Because in my mind all the good ROM's out there already follow this in some way shape or form.
I appreciate what you did but I don't see why we need it is all.

As long as these are only guidelines and not enforceable rules, I agree with them. But I wouldn't agree with deleting/locking threads that fail to follow these guidelines; that would send the wrong message to developers.

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As long as these are only guidelines and not enforceable rules, I agree with them. But I wouldn't agree with deleting/locking threads that fail to follow these guidelines; that would send the wrong message to developers.
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Rom threads will never be locked or deleted for not following these guidelines. I would hope devs would embrace them and if a fellow dev isn't then I would hope someone would point them here and try to help them. Most rom devs want to have a nice looking op. But some of them are new and don't know better or are very young and don't know better. This just helps to give structure that they can refer to and say oh yeah maybe I should have that or this.
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See I assumed this was common sense and ROMs that are missing a lot of these details, I don't give the time of day too so those ROMs don't matter to me. Because in my mind all the good ROM's out there already follow this in some way shape or form.
I appreciate what you did but I don't see why we need it is all.
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What?

Custom ROM comparison database 2.0 (open to edit for public now!!!)

UPDATE: Database 3.0 can now be found here
Someone asked me to create a thread here for my custom ROM comparison database, so that's what I'm doing here now.
A few words from my side so you know what to expect of it and clear things up.
This is the original text I posted on my blog, so I'll just put it up here as well.
At the end of last week, I asked on G+ what to do next, an app comparison or a new custom ROM review. On of the first answers that got my attention was someone asking for a custom ROM comparison instead. I thought about it for a while how this could works since I can’t show them off side by side and it would be difficult no matter what. While thinking along I also remembered one post on YouTube where a viewer gave me the constructive criticism on the videos getting too long, especially the part where I listed all the features in the video review. I told him I am aware of that fact but I still haven’t found the right solution to make the videos shorter without missing any important specs. After some more thinking the idea of the comparison database was born.
The idea behind the database
Creating a database that contains all the available features clearly visible and quickly to access for everybody was actually the hopefully right solution. Using it I don’t need to waste anymore time on rattling down the whole list in my video… this saves me a whole lot of time but of course also you. And if someone wants to know if a specific feature is available in the reviewed ROM he can just quickly check the database and look for it, it’s as easy as that. Of course this method also allows me to focus more on the important aspects of the ROM itself.
Creating the database itself took quite some time for sure but in the end I think this is the cleaner and smarter solution for everyone. I hope this to get a helpful tool for everyone to easily find the right ROM for himself that suites him the most.
I did 2 videos, one quickly explaining the purpose of the database itself and an additional one explaining some of the more important custom ROM features so that people who are maybe new to custom ROM flashing know what to look for. If you see any feature in my database and wanna know what it is for or what it does, leave me a comment. I will then either quickly explain it if possible or collect some of the requests and make another “features explained” video.
Here is the link for the database (it will also be attached to every upcoming custom ROM video as well as the matching article), it will be updated with every upcoming custom ROM video review. I am no professional in text editing, so if someone is maybe bored or wants to help me out in making a better and more professional appearing database to improve it, please contact me, I’d really appreciate it.
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Features of the database
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- detailed list of all possible custom ROM feaures (~100 at the moment, constantly growing)
- containing 13 of the most popular ROMs + stock Android ROM + Xposed Framework to compare with each other (list is still growing)
- a lot of useful additional informations like links to downloads, ROM's websites, G+ communities and much more
- everything is sorted logically and color coded for fast and easy comparison
- all features have a quick explanation, expecially helpful for custom ROM beginners
- a lot of maintainers to keep it updated as good as possible (12 maintainers at the moment) - always looking for more, feel free to join
- constantly working on improving and enhancing the database
here is the link to the database 2.0 - thx to @parker09
some additional videos to explain the whole thing again...
Please feel free to leave any comments.
I'm a real Google docs noob so if someone maybe wants to help me clean it up and polish the style, just contact me.
And if this thread is posted in the wrong section, please just let me know.
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Update
I read the posts here and on the portal and wanna set some things straight.
I do the database including the reviews in my free time, but besides that I´m also blogging,doing app/device reviews, how to´s and similar stuff so time for the database is therefore limited. That´s the reason I can´t progress with the database as fast as I would like to, also my way of testing takes up a lot of time.
I will of course try to do it as frequently as possible and of course ROMs like AOKP and Omni will follow in time.
That´s it for that.
Regarding mistakes and such, I know the database isn´t flawless but I´m not doing errors on purpose. About missing features of certain ROMs, it is possible some ROMs now have features that weren´t available at my time reviewing it but it´s almost impossible for me to keep track of all changes since I use different ROMs all the time and can´t always go back to already reviewed ones.
Update 2
Big change, after all what I read, I finally decided to make the database open to edit for public. Everyone can add ROMs and changes as he wishes to. I only ask users to be resposible and keep everything clean. Feel free to make new entries or correct errors if found. I think this is the best way for the database to grow.
The 2nd change is the move to another design made by @parker09 that is way nicer and better in my opinion.
The old one will still stay but won´t be updated anymore I think. So don´t forget to change your current link to the new one.
BIG THX to everyone in advance who decides to particate on working on the database, I hope the new way is a win for everyone.
Update 3
Sorry to say but the open to public idea wasn't the best it seems since the database somehow got messed up a bit. I want to prevent this from happening that's why I have some rules now to hopefully keep things clean and right this time.
Everyone is still welcome to participate in maintaining the database but has to do following now in order to get permissions to edit.
This reason for the rules is so I can better keep track of what gets changed by who and I know which parts are getting updated and which not.
How to get permission to edit?
Please contact me via PM on xda with the following title...
maintain custom ROM database "your email adress" "your google name" (the name that will appear when editing the document)
- Please also write down your name and email again within the pm just to be sure
- Please tell me which ROM(s) you would like to maintain or what you plan to edit.
- Please tell me if it is ok to add you to hangouts, this would make the teamwork faster and easier
Rules for maintainers
can now be found directly in the database
I want this so I have a list of all the maintainer and know who does what, so things don't get mixed up like 2 people editing one rom at the same time getting each other between in their way. This gives me a better overview so I can track the changes.
THANKS TO
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n3ocort3x - AICP Team member
owain94 - PACman Team member
vedantgp - CyanFox Team member - Special thanks for a lot of groundwork&more
josegalre - Special thanks for a lot of groundwork&more
jrudyk
msn.debord
louisjms
lordbalmon
septigation
l3v14n

Thank your for publishing it here as well. This will be helpful for all of us. :good:

SlimBean has Breathing SMS. I should know I ported it (its in MMS settings)

cordell12 said:
SlimBean has Breathing SMS. I should know I ported it (its in MMS settings)
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Maybe it didn't have it back when I reviewed it or I missed it. Will change it later. Thanks for the heads up

Can you add what you can do with stock+GravityBox? Then people can see which benefits they can get without flashing roms.

Hi nimrodity,
please make it available as a online tool for all ROM makers, so that they can update it as and when possible. and then there's no need you to update it.

Nice I did a column for Paranoid Android (as best I can - some features I don't know what they do) but did as best I could so if you want to copy & paste it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...VoZ1l0bWxoYnVzek9oNnhlWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=1
On the second sheet I started one ages ago and that's the style I went with, and you hover over for what their options are.

Interesting, but what I would really love to see is developers from cross-ROM platforms joining hands

Lastest Carbon have got Paranoid PIE.

Small adjustments
You had a really great idea by doing this. I once search for something similar to this spredsheet and didn't find anything useful...till now!!
You did a wonderful job!
I just noticed 1 small thing and my other point is a suggestion:
1. In CM10.2 you have an option for the vibration intensity only, so maybe you could add to the "vibration" section: yes, but limited.
2. My suggestion would be to add another "spec" for the ROM. It would be "screen color/gamma calibration". It's a very interesting feature and CM10.2 (latest nightly) has it.
What do you think?
Thanks
Keep up the good work!:good:

maxver0 said:
Lastest Carbon have got Paranoid PIE.
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I know but it didn't back then when I reviewed it. I can't always update the database especially with the old review build date. It would be too hard to keep track of all.

Thanks for Your work... Hope You will add more ROMs to this database and I hope other members will help You to get the info You need for awesome ROMs like:
Purity...
crdroid
XenonHD
Liquid Smooth
Vanir
Carbon
Illusion
beanstalk
Jellybam
... and more AOSPs
... ... ... ... OMNI
Purity, Vanir, Jellybam and XenonHD should be simple to track because devs keep the same MODs&features... little changes on every new build
More difficult to track other ROMs that add&remove features very often
I can't help You because I'm a Stockish man and I won't try AOSPs for now
Thanks for useful database, It will sure help me when I will going to flash new rom

felix1234 said:
Can you add what you can do with stock+GravityBox? Then people can see which benefits they can get without flashing roms.
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Doesn't really make sense since it's all about custom Roms but I already thought about doing a separate review for the blog.
Not sure about your idea, will think about it though

itechengine said:
Hi nimrodity,
please make it available as a online tool for all ROM makers, so that they can update it as and when possible. and then there's no need you to update it.
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As you can see by my simple list I don't know much higher about docs and I have no clue how to do such a tool. The idea sounds really cool if someone knows how to do that and wants to help out just contact me

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Nice I did a column for Paranoid Android (as best I can - some features I don't know what they do) but did as best I could so if you want to copy & paste it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...VoZ1l0bWxoYnVzek9oNnhlWXc&usp=drive_web#gid=1
On the second sheet I started one ages ago and that's the style I went with, and you hover over for what their options are.
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Will check it later. If you see my YouTube channel you see my PA rant. I don't really have that much interest updating the database with PA since I'm not really a big fan of the to work. Nothing personal but I just can't get warm with their Rom

@nimrodity
Great work. Important factors when choosing rom could besides features be "RAM usage on clean install and no tweaks/installed apps" and benchmarks based on the same conditions.
But anyways, awesome work :thumbup:

pemell said:
@nimrodity
Great work. Important factors when choosing rom could besides features be "RAM usage on clean install and no tweaks/installed apps" and benchmarks based on the same conditions.
But anyways, awesome work :thumbup:
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Sorry I won't including benchmarks since they have nothing to say about performance in daily use. They are no important factor for me. Same for the rest, also I mention performance and such in my video reviews, don't plan on adding that stuff directly into the database though

On Cyanogenmod it says :
Volume Music Controls : music controls visible only but not with volume buttons.
You can control the music with the Volume buttons whilst being locked.
And if Poweroptions refer to the "menu" that shows when pressing the power button, you can en/disable airplane mode and select "Screenshot". And you can switch between Silent/Vibrate/Sound Profile.

Why no MIUI?
Great work! Just one little nag - why no mention of MIUI? It's distinct feature set should surely warrant a review, but that's just my opinion.

jwchips said:
Great work! Just one little nag - why no mention of MIUI? It's distinct feature set should surely warrant a review, but that's just my opinion.
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My database is far from being complete, I just started . I chose my Roms randomly until now. Miui is still possible to come