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Is Coreplayer v1.1.3 the driver solution?

hello friends.. I read that coreplayer v1.1.3 was made to provide more performance to HTCs with Qualcomm..
is anybody using it? I installed v1.1.3 in my kaiser, but it doesnt play AVI files.. I donto know why... v1.1.1 plays avi...
Should I install codec to play AVI with v1.1.3?

No it's not the driver solution, but they did do a good job of taking advantage of somethign in there, i dont quite remember what, something to do with the qualcom chip or imageon or something but no, it's not the driver solution that we want from HTC.
And you probably need to set file preferences for avi's or something (in preferences menu somewhere), right now maybe they are by default being opening by something else?? I have no problems opening avis right out of the box.

I configurated it to play all files in Preferences/file associations,, but it doesnt work
I cant play avi files...

the main thread says it's a problem with the zoom feature, and you need to switch between video drivers (raw frame, gdi, q-whatever) and stop and restart app.
some people say better performance, but for me, high rez video still plays like crap, even if it's severely improved over the older beta/tcpmp versions. glad that the pocket divx encoder/lathe products are around...

i bought this. Cant see any major difference between this and old versions. all look crap.

Looks pretty good to me. Loving that the slider to forward or reverse the vid is smooth and doesnt choke up the damn device. zooming works nicer too.

Benchs Cplayer v1.1 vs v1.1.3
hello friends.. it gives high performance to my kaiser. take a look
Divx - 360x240, Bit rate 960kbps, audio mp3 192kbps, fps 25
kaiser..
v1.1.1
- mode Fit Best.. 50%
- mode Fill screen 93%
v1.1.3
- mode Fit best 175%
- mode Fill screen 180%
To compare..
TyTN (hermes)
v1.1.1 - 205% in both modes..

best video format for ppc.

I want to know what is the best format to convert videos for ppc so i can get best combination of quality and performance, size dosnt matter for me.
I am alao looking for the best practice guide.... so i can learn how to get smooth video playback.

H.264. Read my H.264 Bible, it exaplains everything.

Thanks I am looking for your bible.

I think I may have overlooked something obvious, but where is your bible?
I'm having terrible trouble getting decent video playback on my i-mate 9502

Here guys
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67863

It seems you can't expect much from the 9502 - it doesn't have working drivers either - see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351788&page=8
You could give CorePlayer a try, though

I still have a problem that I have a wmv which play smoothly on my pc but now I convert it to h.264 but it still lagy (as before) on my wizard.

Do you use CorePlayer?
Did you try optimizing (bo Cabac etc?)

I am using core player latest build but I dont know about "optimizing (bo Cabac etc?)"
Can you explain me?

btw I convert the video from xilisoft in 320 res

azfar said:
I am using core player latest build but I dont know about "optimizing (bo Cabac etc?)"
Can you explain me?
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I've explained this all in the H.264 Bible... there're a lot of areas of optimization.
BTW, the Wizard is VERY slow. Therefore, I recommend not only goig for CorePlayer, but also sticking to DivX if the increased storage requirements aren't a problem.

you mean divx codec, not player right?

azfar said:
you mean divx codec, not player right?
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Both. You need to encode your stuff with DivX and play back preferably with TCPMP or, even better, CorePlayer.

I switched my 9502's coreplayer setings to RawFramebuffer and now it plays QVGA video at an acceptable 24fps / 500kbps no problem. Still seems to hate VGA video though, but I guess that's a non-issue until they bring out the SDHC patch.

mike freegan said:
I switched my 9502's coreplayer setings to RawFramebuffer and now it plays QVGA video at an acceptable 24fps / 500kbps no problem. Still seems to hate VGA video though, but I guess that's a non-issue until they bring out the SDHC patch.
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any other core player video settings for better performance?

The H.264 codec is not a good choice for playback on slower devices. If you flip though the h.264 bible (linked below) you'll see that even a 330 MHz OMAP (N95) isn't able to handle a h.264 video 100% without disabling features. You haven't got a chance with a 200 MHz OMAP and your going to have high CPU utilization with a 400 MHz CPU.
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/applications/222389-h-264-k-mpeg-4-part-10-avc-bible.html
If size is not a factor, then you're not gaining anything by using h.264. The main benefit of h.264 over XviD is better quality at the same size or same quality at a lower size. XviD/DivX has much lower compression complexity and requires less CPU power/utilization to decode but ends up taking more space.
If you have a fast processor and you want the best quality at the smallest size, go with h.264/AVC. If size is not a factor, stick with XviD/DivX(ASP). Even with a fast processor, you will have lower CPU utilization and longer battery life (assuming you are using CPU scaling).
Check out my guide if you want some help converting to XviD.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic349738.html

trueg said:
The H.264 codec is not a good choice for playback on slower devices. If you flip though the h.264 bible (linked below) you'll see that even a 300 MHz OMAP (N95) isn't able to handle a h.264 video 100% without disabling features. You haven't got a chance with a 200 MHz OMAP and your going to have high CPU utilization with a 400 MHz CPU.
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/applications/222389-h-264-k-mpeg-4-part-10-avc-bible.html
If size is not a factor, then you're not gaining anything by using h.264. The main benefit of h.264 over XviD is better quality at the same size or same quality at a lower size. XviD/DivX has much lower compression complexity and requires less CPU power/utilization to decode but ends up taking more space.
If you have a fast processor and you want the best quality at the smallest size, go with h.264/AVC. If size is not a factor, stick with XviD/DivX(ASP). Even with a fast processor, you will have lower CPU utilization and longer battery life (assuming you are using CPU scaling).
Check out my guide if you want some help converting to XviD.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic349738.html
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unfortunately the software you refer doesnt support wmv conversion.

Well, honestly I've never needed to convert a wmv(ASF) video before. I never would have thought it would not accept WMV files, but I downloaded a music video to test and indeed, even when forced, PocketDivxEncoder wouldn't accept it. I then tried AutoGK which is another high quality converter/front end and it also would not accept WMV files (I would assume the same for Gordon Knot).
To aid you in your quest, I went on a search for tools to help you in your task.
Tools tested....
AllToAVI - http://www.videohelp.com/tools/alltoavi - easy to install, fairly intuitive, fast encoding, no option for cropping or rotation, limited audio options.
--I ran a quick test on my wmv music video using AllToAVI. The original WMV did not play very well (worse than a slide show) on my HTC Touch (Elfin - 201Mhz OMAP). The resulting XVID was actually the same size, but played perfectly.
WinFF - http://www.videohelp.com/tools/WinFF - easy to install, minimalist interface (very limited), fast encoding. Unlike AllToAVI, WinFF did not analyze the source or make suggestions on video frame rate or aspect ratio. It worked well enough and the resulting XVID looked as good and played as well as the file created by AllToAVI.
MediaCoder - http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MediaCoder - wow, this program is pretty amazing. Easy to install, tons of options, fast encoding. This program is much more customizable than PocketDivXEncoder, but this is to be expected. This program can convert from pretty much any codec to pretty much any codec. There are options for pretty much every aspect of the conversion process (which may be too much for some people). The resultant video was again the same size, but quality was a bit higher since I was able to crop the black bars.
Basically, if you can use PocketDivXEncoder (i.e. your video is supported) stick with it since it is fast, high quality and easy to use. If you want the ability to customize every single aspect of the conversion, use Media Coder. If you can't use PocketDivXEncoder and you want something very simply to convert your unsupported video, give AllToAVI a shot.

many thanks for your efforts. I am tryijgnall those convertors and will let you know the results.

can I play the 700MB dvdrip (.avi divx) version of movie on pda. Can it handle it?

QVGA vs. VGA performance

Hello, I was wondering, does anyone know how more is VGA video playback slower against QVGA? I mean this model situation: Same devices, only one has VGA display and second QVGA, and same video file for example 500x400 resolution. How big in % will be performance degradation on VGA device? Due to 4 times more pixels?

that is a good question. I have an Axim x50v (VGA) and using TCMP I have no issues playing divx or xvid videos on it. I still can't play .mkv packages (because I don't have codecs for .h264 and mpeg4 yet). I have never tried it on the Axim x50 (QVGA) that my friend had. He didn't care about anything but the calendar on it!
I guess as long as it plays fine with windowed and full screen without any lags I don't even think about it.

this has also been something ive been wondering for awhile too. anyone have any answers

Let dell x50v out, becous of 2700G video playback can not be faster on any device, so it isnt good to comparing.

Coreplayer divx quality

Hi there,
I was watching yesterday a divx movie (320 X 240) using Coreplayer on my new IPAQ 614c.
1) I was surprised to see kind of stripes (evidenced in the black background (top right panel), see attached file). I have to say that I do not have this pattern on other devices (tested on a Dell and Eten PPC) using the same software and movie.
2) Changing the color profile (to native) helped. So is it the reason for this difference observed an other devices.
3) This does not happen for all movies. As such, some other movies (also in 640X480) just run very nicely. Therefore, I believe this has nothing to do with the hardware.
Do U also experience this?
Any feedback appreciated

Nobody?
Thanks

never heard about or seen the issue but then i dont watch movies really on my device
but in TCPMP the free version of coreplayer one can choose different drivers for play back i if i were you would try and see if changing the driver in coreplayer had any effect

I watched wanted on my Athena (VGA) on a plane last week and it was fine, no jaggediness, or black lines, and that is a pretty dark film too.
Rory

I've watched a few TV episodes and some Bourne, really good quality though. Only thing I'm trying to work out is the A/V offset.

Thanks for the answers...
I will try to play with the drivers.
Anyway, I was looking at the same episode in 640X480 and had no black line at all...
So strange

Looks like it is better choosing IntelXScale as a driver...
Also the benckmarks are better with these drivers...
Will put later this afternoon the different benchmarks.
Thanks again

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I do not know why but I did not have IntelXscale selected (I think I was playing a bit too much with the options).
Anyway, the problem is solved now using this driver.
Also, a benchmark with the well-known Matrix trailer (640X352, Bitrate: 127 kb/s) gives nice results:
DirectDraw: 94.93%
IntelXscale: 216.58%
GDI: 106.57%

i just got the new coreplayer and it only shows the tytn2 driver..
is this better or is there somewere i could get this interxscale driver?
just playd a video that comes allong with the xperia, as a video sample
benchmark results were
Average speed 62,50%
Original data rate = 922 kbit/s
Bench. data rate = 576 kbit/s

maybe the IntelXscale dont show up because you dont have an intel xscale cpu
but an qualcomm ?

Don't expect great video from your Raphael. See Benchmarks

I have constructed some video tests and the preliminary data I am getting back is that the Touch Pro is not great when it comes to video playback. Not at the moment anyway. Though my tests were done with the latest Coreplayer I would extrapolate that the results are indicative of the overall video performance irrespective of the player used.
File 1: Mpeg-4 ASP Xvid 320x160 287 kbps
File 2: Mpeg-4 ASP Xvid 640x320 479 kbps
File 3: Mpeg-4 AVC x264 320x160 200 kbps
File 4: Mpeg-4 AVC x264 640x320 400 kbps
All audio is AAC 24 KHz 64 kbps.
Device: HTC Raphael
CPU&Clock: Qualcomm MSM7201A 528MHz
GPU: N/A (integrated ARM926EJ-S [email protected])
ROM: WM6.1 FireROM v0.3
File 1: 205.40%
File 2: 126.52%
File 3: 159.63%
File 4: 68.29%
Device: HTC Hermes
CPU&Clock: Samsung SC32442A ARM 400MHz
GPU: ATI Imageon 2282
ROM: WM6.1 PDACornerPro v25 RBSN
File 1: 387%
File 2: 140%
File 3: 114%
File 4: 34%
I don't know how much the video performance can be improved with newer ROMS or optimised software but I think it will take a while before any drastic improvements are seen, if ever. I have the video files available for those would like to test this for themselves and can PM the links. They short clips might be considered copyrighted so I will not post them.

Hmm
I have some DVD rips which were encoded for use on the Sony PSP, with the following attributes:
Format: MPEG4
Video: AVC aka H.264
Video Size: 480 x 272
Frame Rate: 29.970
Audio: MPEG4 AAC Audio
Audio Format: 96000Hz 2 Ch
I figured it'd be useful to be able to play those rips on my TP, so I tried it using Coreplayer v1.2.5.
There was no sound - I cannot fix this and have raised a ticket with Coreplayer support.
Nevertheless, the benchmark gave an average speed of 101.90% so that's not too bad.
Has anyone else tried these types of files on their TP using Coreplayer? Have you managed to get any sound?

The thread title should be changed into:
"Don't expect great video from CorePlayer on your Raphael."
The problem is not the Raphael. The problem is the CorePlayer! At least when playing MP4 files. I've tested several MP4 files and the CorePlayer is playing them choppy while the WMP Mobile has no problems!

As I've posted in the topic with touch pro issues:
poor directdraw, framebuffer/video performance.
Just to make an idea: an old device from 2005 with omap 850 200mhz CPU performs better in this area than the touch pro @ qualcomm 528mhz. what a shame. The test were done in this topic (in romanian, sorry). CorePlayer was used for benchmark. I will summarize.
- HTC Tornado overclocked (262Mhz) max performance: 174.22%
- Touch Pro max performance: 172,67%
Both in Raw framebuffer mode. When used QTV it gains only 162,64%. How come?
It's pitty, 262Mhz from OMAP performs better than 528!!!Mhz from Qualcomm?!
The video used for tests is this one. (320x240 @ 25FPS)
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Of course, this may be fixed with software optimization.. But it's kinda annoying that the existing 3rd-party doesn't work so well..
I saw in a romanian review that touch pro is under diamond at Graphics index.
diamond: 1662.31
touch pro: 357.03
more: http://www.chip.ro/stiri/hardware/review:_htc_touch_pro/22135 (go to bottom)

peterbonge said:
The thread title should be changed into:
"Don't expect great video from CorePlayer on your Raphael."
The problem is not the Raphael. The problem is the CorePlayer! At least when playing MP4 files. I've tested several MP4 files and the CorePlayer is playing them choppy while the WMP Mobile has no problems!
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All the .mp4 files I transcoded played fine in Coreplayer. The container (.mp4, .avi) is not the problem it's what is inside. Anything benchmarking over a 100% will play smoothly. I will PM you the links to my clips and you can tell me how they all play in both WMP and Coreplayer.

DSF said:
touch pro is under diamond at Graphics index.
diamond: 1662.31
touch pro: 357.03
more: http://www.chip.ro/stiri/hardware/review:_htc_touch_pro/22135 (go to bottom)
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This is concerning. I want a device where I don't have to worry about converting video any more.

Wam7 said:
All the .mp4 files I transcoded played fine in Coreplayer. The container (.mp4, .avi) is not the problem it's what is inside. Anything benchmarking over a 100% will play smoothly. I will PM you the links to my clips and you can tell me how they all play in both WMP and Coreplayer.
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With WMP the first two are running fine, the last two have just sound without a picture. The codec (H.264/MPEG-4 AVC) is not the problem because I have many vids with this codec running fine.
I don't have the time to test the files with the CorePlayer at the moment, but here are the specs of a file which runs choppy with the CorePlayer, but fine with the WMP:
Video: avc1 / H.264/MPEG-4 AVC / 480 x 360 / 509 kbps / 29.971 fps
Audio: mp4a: MPEG-4 AAC LC / 44100Hz 123 kbps, stereo

The problem of the current releases of coreplayer is that the QTV driver provided is not the one for the MSM7201A processor; it's the one of the TyTnII (MSM7200 If I'm not mistaken).
To fully exploit the "graphic accelerator" of our TPs I think we'll have to wait for an optimized version of coreplayer for our HTCs (coreplayer 1.3 as anounced in their website, as they say that a version optimized for Touchs will be released soon).

I've contacted HTC support about video performance.
Answer in short: "The Touch Pro is not made for playing Media. It was made as a business device."
TyTN was made as a business device and included ATI Imageon GPU.

Hmm...guess I learnt something new today. I always thought hardware wise the Touch Pro would be the same if not better than Diamond, i.e. whatever videos the Diamond can play, the Touh Pro can do just as well. But looking at the site provided in Mike's post, I'm guessing that's not the case.

phrozact said:
Hmm...guess I learnt something new today. I always thought hardware wise the Touch Pro would be the same if not better than Diamond, i.e. whatever videos the Diamond can play, the Touh Pro can do just as well. But looking at the site provided in Mike's post, I'm guessing that's not the case.
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I really think there's some kind of error regarding graphics benchmark results there, since Touch Pro has the same CPU, the same 3D accelerator and more RAM !

seether said:
I really think there's some kind of error regarding graphics benchmark results there, since Touch Pro has the same CPU, the same 3D accelerator and more RAM !
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Someone could give it a try with another video. I don't have a TP yet ot I'd try it.
Basically I want to be able to throw a 600mb, VGA resolution file from my computer straight onto an SD card and watch it on the go without having to bother about conversions. Is this not possible?

mike freegan said:
Someone could give it a try with another video. I don't have a TP yet ot I'd try it.
Basically I want to be able to throw a 600mb, VGA resolution file from my computer straight onto an SD card and watch it on the go without having to bother about conversions. Is this not possible?
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I havent tried this yet, but I will once I get back home tomorrow.. Would be awesome if that worked!
EDIT: Loading in a episode of Dexter (original release, DVDScr.XVID) on, and installing TCMP.. Il post results!

Loaded "Dexter.S03E01.DVDScr.XviD-NOTYOU.avi" onto my memory card and played it in TCPMP and it worked more or less flawlessly!! No need to worry about playback performance! Although to get 100% perfect playback, it should be converted or something as the playback did suffer som slight stutters from time to time.
EDIT: The only thing this device suffers from in terms of video playback is 65k colors.

err that's weird look at the results posted at these sites:
http://img2.portavik.net/upload/file_23/37bd53de9a906fe4/table_bench.gif
and this one:
http://www.ferra.ru/online/communicators/80844/ (in the middle of a page SPB test

Guys sorry, but what are u trying to play in Raphael, that this device is not so powerful for you?
I watched almost 20 movies (DivX for PC) / series on Raphael and withou any problem. Video is smooth, great and thats it...
P.S. I am watching movies on CorePlayer

MaRaHoX said:
Guys sorry, but what are u trying to play in Raphael, that this device is not so powerful for you?
I watched almost 20 movies (DivX for PC) / series on Raphael and withou any problem. Video is smooth, great and thats it...
P.S. I am watching movies on CorePlayer
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When I tried to load up Dexter.S03E01.DVDScr.XviD-NOTYOU with CorePlayer, I only got audio, no video... But TCPMP worked quite well..

yeah im searching for proper video settings to convert files to for my device using catalyst or pocketdivx encoder, still searching on that one.
but then i tried just throwing my original episode of entourage and yeah it looks awesome., will probably do that more often with the faster file transfer and once i get a bigger sd card.

The firmware drivers do need a bit of work and coreplayer 1.2.5 doesn't fully support the touch pro as the makers have made clear.
I would suggest waiting for coreplayer 1.3 and maybe a few newer ROMs before giving final judgement, though Qtv specs on the qualcom chips do say it maxes out at 640x480 15-30fps 384kbps if i remember right.
FYI: Qtv is a software codec specifically designed for maximum performance on the 7201a chipset used by the touch pro. This is what coreplayer does not fully support yet (unlike on the TyTN).
Also, regarding HTC's response, why don't you ask the same question again but about the Touch Diamond, as it's not a business device.

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I really think there's some kind of error regarding graphics benchmark results there, since Touch Pro has the same CPU, the same 3D accelerator and more RAM !
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What 3D accelerator does the Pro/Diamond use? What chip?