When upgrading my OS to WM6, do I have to flash the Radio and other ROMs too? If yes, which ROMs would you recommend as being the most stable and functional?
Also, I downloaded a release from torrent, "Microsoft.Windows.Mobile.v6.0-OTG". Is there any way to tell whether this is Classic, Pro, or Standard without trying to install it?
Thanks in advance!
The worst thing you can do, is start messing with ROM images, unless you actually know what you have, and what to do with them.
Please read the stickies on this forum, there are the known latest ROM images, and links to the wiki for help.
Please read those first, as it will answer your questions.
As for the image you have downloaded, it's not simply an issue of pro, standard etc, it's what device it's intended for. The only version that will work on a Universal, is an image made for a Universal, and that will always be pro.
Basic common sense, when you are flashing an expensive piece of hardware, understand what you are doing, and don't mess with things of an unknown source.
mzalan said:
When upgrading my OS to WM6, do I have to flash the Radio and other ROMs too? If yes, which ROMs would you recommend as being the most stable and functional?
Also, I downloaded a release from torrent, "Microsoft.Windows.Mobile.v6.0-OTG". Is there any way to tell whether this is Classic, Pro, or Standard without trying to install it?
Thanks in advance!
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i've tried most of the roms on this forum and the best release so far I have found is o2 xda exec version 02.02.02. As the most stable, i've taken a few cabs from other release to include in this. the only real problem with this release is the fact that there is a small memory leak but not a big one and a soft reset restores memory. (I only have to reset once a day and that seems to be good considering some of the reports from other roms. all programs work. However, if you want to use the new office you will need to extract the program files from the /windows directory and update this rom. (doe's have office but does not have support for new format .docx but by pasting the updated files in solves this. Other roms have problems recieing calls as i've experienced.
Best thing to do is flash several versions and then go back to the one you personally liked best and just take parts of each rom to make your own master rom.
Happy searching and good testing.
gsmknight
WHOA!!!
This would be the first installation that is not being done through ActiveSync for me!
"Basic common sense, when you are flashing an expensive piece of hardware, understand what you are doing, and don't mess with things of an unknown source." <- Damn Right! That's why I'm asking around rather than charge headfisrt into the fray, then charge back out 'cause something went very wrong...
I gathered what I have to do from other posts, I downloaded this WM6 package, which I would be happy to share through the FTP server, but I don't know if it is the right one, since it said nothing about the type of devices it was intended for.
As for making dissecting ROMs and assembling myself a "Master ROM", I don't eve know what a ROM-image looks like, let alone how to assemble one...
mzalan said:
I gathered what I have to do from other posts, I downloaded this WM6 package, which I would be happy to share through the FTP server, but I don't know if it is the right one, since it said nothing about the type of devices it was intended for.
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I can say with 99.9% certainty, that the ROM images you find here, on this forum will be more reliable, and from as close to original sources as you can get.
A file downloaded from torrent, that you don't know the source of, that you have no idea about is not going to be something any sane person would use.
Delete it, and use the images you find here.
AlanJC said:
I can say with 99.9% certainty, that the ROM images you find here, on this forum will be more reliable, and from as close to original sources as you can get.
A file downloaded from torrent, that you don't know the source of, that you have no idea about is not going to be something any sane person would use.
Delete it, and use the images you find here.
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I totally agree, roms from here are more reliable. Not had one fail whilst flashing. Had a few with obvious bugs but these are getting solved all the time by our moderators and senior members. And then getting reposted for our consumption and input (plus contribution where we can)
gsmknight
Never Never use ROMs found somewhere else unless you are sure.
Use those are found here, it is safer.
CWKJ said:
Never Never use ROMs found somewhere else unless you are sure.
Use those are found here, it is safer.
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Sage advice
Better yet:
If you care about your warranty - only use the manufacturer's ROMs...
You are right about the warranty.
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...One device left to convert to Linux... then I'm M$ free!...
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Waiting to convert your Uni to Linux?
Stupid question: What is the difference between a T-Mobile ROM and eg. Commander Ivan's ROM, besides the themes? If I flash Ivan's ROM, I'll still be able to use T-mobile carriers without any ill effects, right?
And where can I find a tutorial that will help me in cooking my own ROMs? I've been searching everywhere, and still haven't found one(maybe just trying the wrong strings... ), and it's very frustrating to see a lot of cabs, and not knowing what each of them does, or even if I inject a new cab, how to get it to install, and where to get cabs, and stuff like that... .
If I flash WM6, do I need to flash Radio ROM as well? Or is it incorporated into the cooked package with which I update my Univ?
I know I'm a noob, but please help...This is my first time, and I hope I won't damage my device. And I really want to try a WM6 that has Office and Messenger incorporated...
Related
Greetings,
this is a new rom from pda mobiz, anybody tried it. ITS V5.
clickhere to get it.
Thanks
samy.3660 said:
Greetings,
this is a new rom from pda mobiz, anybody tried it. ITS V5.
clickhere to get it.
Thanks
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lot of us have flashed our devices at least 10 times in the last month. can you provide us more details about this rom, I'm getting tired of wm6 roms.
Thats the same problem with me!!
i think thats problem with everyone we need to settle down but how long ???? i hoop that someone has two device and will test it and provide us with more information
It's been a while i'm using mun-rus WM6 which it's rom build version is 17xxxx and it's fine,all of other ROMs are 15xxxx build and don't have much different in performance and types of bugs.
Can someone post the MS build number from the ROM?
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Can someone post the MS build number from the ROM?
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It's the same as V1 to now, it's just improved with some reg fixes, other splash-screen and some progs.
It's not bad, loaded with stuff, ringtones, todaythemes etc.
It's a ROM for the lazy people, like me, although I'm using now the mUn's fixed version which is good..
Vilem said:
It's the same as V1 to now, it's just improved with some reg fixes, other splash-screen and some progs.
It's not bad, loaded with stuff, ringtones, todaythemes etc.
It's a ROM for the lazy people, like me, although I'm using now the mUn's fixed version which is good..
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Im still working on the ultimate fixed version of mUn's rom. Getting a little frustrating. LOL
Yeah that's funny, "tired of WM6 ROMs"
I flashed V.5 like 2 days ago and there's very little info on changes, i haven't seen any..beside Ferrari thing
what i noticed stuff like MMS composer, Voice dial (or voice commander) biuld's are different(older) comparing to mUn's
And there REALLY Should be some sort of guide/comparison for people who honour and appreciate work of all cookers out there, but ..just want to use SOLID Rom. knowing the differences, and having them presented clearly in a spreadsheet comparison would be most helpful.
Because there are guys wanting ALL The latest, and MOST STABLE.
At present WM6 have some serious flaws but only to people who happen to use WiFi, and MMS's(which is about 80% od wizard owners ; ) ) alot. So choosing right rom "distribution" now is next to IMPOSSIBLE, less choosing "stable" one.
Maybe "wiki" ought to serve this purpose, thus far we are stuck with "well known" cooker names producing unstable roms.
As much as i would like to thank all cookers, and community of Wizard experts, i am stuck with finding out more and more suprises after flashing each new rom distro.
Now Farias' suprised me by not being able to use contacts from sim card ..
Beside comparison of components numbers(like rom built date, prog. ver.) there should be shor explanation as of why cooker have chosen to include older, or newer version of specific soft., and next column : possible problems encountered by users..
I know that if i talk so much i should do it myself : ),
but short on time, and knowledge of figuring as to what format, type of database would be needed for "central Repository", or "future/bug" tracking wiki..
I think that it could help out rom cooks(ers: )) or us. When compiling they could make choice based on this centrall rep. of futures/problems of certain prog. versions: like battery plugin.. beta 2, or beta 3, what difference,
now it takes several hours to find out diffs., possible problems, and make concious choice: with least risk as to what WE want (in terms of functionality) and whether stability is at premium to us.
I don't agree
If you cannot do simple registry changes to show sim-contacts or cannot configure MMS you don't want to update your ROM.
Because if you cannot find the solution in this forum you probably cannot find the solution when you brick your phone.
I think this forum is for people with a bit more interest than the average phone-owner.
And in the end there is always somebody prepared to help.
I don't agree either.
It's not the forum's responsibility to rate and/or categorize each rom as it comes out. The threads for each rom or additional threads where users place their experiences with these roms.
Some chefs create basic stable roms, some stable with loads of ram, some super-fast with very little ram & etc. You choose the rom that works for you. Is there a best rom...NO; what counts is what you want and works for you.
If you just want what manufacturers give you, then you're in the wrong place.
Flashing these roms are not a right....it's a priveledge!!!
Ok guys,
Thanks, you've got some good points, i hope you can see where i am comming from..
1. it is fact that it IS A Privilege, and to that I AM gratefull that i have right to be using it.
2. i think there is no point in wasting of time researching over and over The SAME THINGS.., that i've seen for last year.
You(forum) can either give to users something more clear, or make them seek info over and over again, causing for stupid questions to arise, when someone may not have time to read through 64 pages of...\
and that's just one thread...
3.would it hurt to spend less than 5 hours doing research, and not finding what you originally intended, of ... oh well, "time is money, so don't waste it honey"
4. ok, so it is "simple" registry edit to fix sim card not being read by wm6 contacts app. It's just that it is basic funcionality, and when it comes to "names" it shouldn't happen, I believe that most of us would be glad to beta test them for our gurus' and reprizent' Xda-DEV cookers to the world RIGHT! Yo,
5. MMS .. well, when all config is right, and i have narrowed it down to radio rom version in "synchronisation error" deal, it's hard not to be average user, or even neglecting one, when You YOURSELF are unableto fix radio rom..
less even M$oft ain't touching many problems..
is WAITING, and Wa$ting of time a solution for you? ... digging through pile of wm6 roms to find one with LEAST Errors../ after which to be left out without basic functionality expected from phone..
i think comparisons and central database would make 4 all of us one nifty time/nerve saving future..
and just so it won't look like i am NOt appreciating my privileges i am contributing to community in a meanwhile(maybe before i cook my own../ or rather uncook, ever since heat processing makes it all tasteless and leaving us with all but one option to do: use spices, and salt..
I'd like to help to to make a RAW, FRESH ROM, call it Vanille, clean. Giving some constructive feedback, helping guys like mUn, and other nottoosmart guys alike..
( ;; ) )
well, cheers to all yall!
It seems this rom isnt as popular as the others.....its the nature of the beast with roms though.
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Ok guys,
Thanks, you've got some good points, i hope you can see where i am comming from..
1. it is fact that it IS A Privilege, and to that I AM gratefull that i have right to be using it.
2. i think there is no point in wasting of time researching over and over The SAME THINGS.., that i've seen for last year.
You(forum) can either give to users something more clear, or make them seek info over and over again, causing for stupid questions to arise, when someone may not have time to read through 64 pages of...\
and that's just one thread...
3.would it hurt to spend less than 5 hours doing research, and not finding what you originally intended, of ... oh well, "time is money, so don't waste it honey"
4. ok, so it is "simple" registry edit to fix sim card not being read by wm6 contacts app. It's just that it is basic funcionality, and when it comes to "names" it shouldn't happen, I believe that most of us would be glad to beta test them for our gurus' and reprizent' Xda-DEV cookers to the world RIGHT! Yo,
5. MMS .. well, when all config is right, and i have narrowed it down to radio rom version in "synchronisation error" deal, it's hard not to be average user, or even neglecting one, when You YOURSELF are unableto fix radio rom..
less even M$oft ain't touching many problems..
is WAITING, and Wa$ting of time a solution for you? ... digging through pile of wm6 roms to find one with LEAST Errors../ after which to be left out without basic functionality expected from phone..
i think comparisons and central database would make 4 all of us one nifty time/nerve saving future..
and just so it won't look like i am NOt appreciating my privileges i am contributing to community in a meanwhile(maybe before i cook my own../ or rather uncook, ever since heat processing makes it all tasteless and leaving us with all but one option to do: use spices, and salt..
I'd like to help to to make a RAW, FRESH ROM, call it Vanille, clean. Giving some constructive feedback, helping guys like mUn, and other nottoosmart guys alike..
( ;; ) )
well, cheers to all yall!
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Dude.....we're not supposed to have these roms.....!
This is why we have to go somewhere else to download them.
A comparison chart for something that we are not supposed to have....need I say more.
A comparison chart would be nice though but these roms don't work the same on every device.
Example: several roms were said to have incorrect values on the touch keyboard...I have never experienced this where others have.
Constructive feedback: IMO I beleive that's what everyone who installs a rom and discuss their experience is contributing to make the installed rom better. Some have mishaps and need help but a majority try to make the rom better. Not everyone can create cab files and discover what reg edit is best...those who can supply while those who can't, test.
If you start a comparison chart, I'll join in. PM me with what you got.
As far as making a clean rom....I'll help with that too.
Orwells WM6 is a clean version....that's where alot of these roms originate from.
You and I, we have our own opinions and are able to discuss them, thats what makes a forum.
dwny said:
As far as making a clean rom....I'll help with that too.
Orwells WM6 is a clean version....that's where alot of these roms originate from.
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Now that I've been on Faria's "the real thing" and mUn's, I don't think I could go back to any of the previous WM6 roms. MBE was decent after a lot of tweaking, but these two new ones are far above more complete and stable than anything I had previously.
I'll wait for the Faria vanilla and the nottoosmart stripped and fixed mUn ROM. I think both of these will be the standard for some time...
You know what i would say the same, as close to the top. What is so different from all the WM6 rom really!!! We are getting 20 million new ones everyday!!!
I am running faria's WM6 rom, and that is the only i have flashed, cus i dont trust any other!!! Looking at what people are saying i would say it was the best cus it does not have so many problems!!!
At it is so much fun to find solutions to problems, if we did not have that we would be so bored!!! Think of your self as beta testers for Mircosoft!!! Cus they dont do any work but the Roms are getting so much better!
I tested/flashed all ROMs uploaded on my Folder (IW25NT), so at least I know what I'm talking about.
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I tested/flashed all ROMs uploaded on my Folder (IW25NT), so at least I know what I'm talking about.
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So have I..........
And I'll keep on doing that, if I don't like I'll just restore the old setup.
What is annoying here lately, is that if someone posts a ROM, you'll either get all kinds of remarks how bad this ROM is (if it is not from 1 of our XDA Xprts), or remarks like before posted.
That one of the reason's why I stopped posting if I updated my Folder.
I'll continue to upload, just look ones in a while.
this rom is very fast, stable, low battery consumption!
Hi, I´m new here and I need a little bit help...
I want to flash my HTC Wizard with a good working WM6 ROM, but I don´t know which one...
Which one is the newest and best working ROM, I need a suggestion.
VoIP is very important for me.
Please give me a hint...
You will have to do the same thing the rest of us did, test them out. Each chef is diffrent and will include diffrent things in thier rom to fit THIER needs. Sometimes you will find one that will fit yours, sometimes you wont. Its a hit of miss type of thing.
lukesky333 said:
Hi, I´m new here and I need a little bit help...
I want to flash my HTC Wizard with a good working WM6 ROM, but I don´t know which one...
Which one is the newest and best working ROM, I need a suggestion.
VoIP is very important for me.
Please give me a hint...
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Well...you asked for a hint so....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315178
There are instructions in his post for voip.
famewolf said:
Well...you asked for a hint so....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315178
There are instructions in his post for voip.
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I tried this ROM - with this ROM VoIP don´t work on my device...
lukesky333 said:
I tried this ROM - with this ROM VoIP don´t work on my device...
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As NTS said, then you need to just go out and start flashing roms and find what works for you.
FWIW: I know people that are using VoIP on my roms with no problems. I've never used it so I can't assist there, but there are threads about running and setting up VoiP on WM6 and all around here. Google can be your friend...
mfrazzz said:
Google can be your friend...
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Well said my friend.
I was wondering the same thing as lukesky333... and I've been downloading ROMS left and right so i can start testing them out. I was just wondering if there is a place on the site that lists what is and isnt included in the different ROMs, for comparisons sake?
illistic said:
I was wondering the same thing as lukesky333... and I've been downloading ROMS left and right so i can start testing them out. I was just wondering if there is a place on the site that lists what is and isnt included in the different ROMs, for comparisons sake?
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The first post of each rom lists what is in them (or what has been removed usually). There have been many suggestions of someone maintaining a list like this (in a forum thread or on the wiki) but nobody has ever done it (and as a cook, I honestly don't care to maintain something like that myself. Sorry). To me, its not that hard to look at the first post of each rom and look and see whats in it, what its based off of, etc. Sure to a noob, this is a daunting chore with the terminology and stuff, but I honestly don't know how to make it easier.
If someone creates some type of comparison chart on the Wiki, I'd be willing to attempt to update my own rom info on it, but I have no interest in another project that I'd have to maintain...
And I'm sure if that is done, people will then complain about the way its formatted, or its not easy enough to read, or why is it in the wiki and not the forum (downside if its in the forum is only the original author can maintain it, or a mod), yada, yada, yada....
Just look how many roms have exploded onto this forum with all of the kitchens now available... I think this chart may be HUGE (and people will all start to see there isn't a lot of difference between many of these roms, as they are just personal mixings of existing roms with almost no changes other than included apps).
illistic said:
I was wondering the same thing as lukesky333... and I've been downloading ROMS left and right so i can start testing them out. I was just wondering if there is a place on the site that lists what is and isnt included in the different ROMs, for comparisons sake?
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This is a comment from a noob - so take it with a pinch of salt. When I considered flashing a new ROM, I could see quite a few alternatives - XDAr2, NBD, SeeNoEvil, mattk_r's etc. Almost all come from two main build sources - 318 and 1413. (See the thread on difference between the builds.) After cycling through a few ROMs, and basically liking all of them, I picked one ROM. I am planning to stick with this ROM for 2 reasons:
1. I realized that once you have a decent ROM, you can always add on the other applications. Even if there is no cab version for an application, you can build one easily.
2. With a good registry editor, you can tweak the registry to your liking - e.g GPRS disconnect button, no SMS delivery notification, etc.
Almost all the available ROMs are basically a collection of apps (point 1 above) and registry tweaks (point 2 above). I settled on mattk_r's ROM of 318 with touchflo. The main reason was that it comes with a kitchen and gives quite a good choice of apps and registry settings that you can include.
So, there is no simple answer to the question asked. But the ROMs here give a good start.
BTW, there is a new ROM based on 1437 build. Now I am tempted!
kernelguy
has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?
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has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?
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Cingular doesn't offer WM6 for the Wizard. Your best bet is to just try a few out and see what you like best. Asking which one is the best is very subjective and has been asked about 100 times already with about 1000 different answers.
Good luck!
ok...let me try to rephrase, would u happen to know of any WM6 roms for the wizard that are as close to the wm6 for the 8525 as possible. Without a ton of addons or anything. I want to have something that runs as smooth as possible. Something that is as close to the "stock" 8525 if you will...
you should try wrcx1 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322404)
As usual...READ READ READ! And deliberate what fits your needs...
simbadogg said:
has anyone out there tried multiple ROMs for WM6? I'm looking to move to something different, i've been having a lot of trouble w/ the faria one that i'm running. Just glitches here and there, looking for something more reliable.
Anybody know what is the closest to the real mccoy release of wm6 that cingular offers?
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There's tooo many of these non-sense threads.
I can tell you what to use but it's not guaranteed to suit your needs.
You have to take time out to flash & fix to get what you want
You and the other newbies can click here for starters
simbadogg said:
ok...let me try to rephrase, would u happen to know of any WM6 roms for the wizard that are as close to the wm6 for the 8525 as possible. Without a ton of addons or anything. I want to have something that runs as smooth as possible. Something that is as close to the "stock" 8525 if you will...
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If you think "a ton of addons or anything" makes a rom slow, you are mistaken. I think you will find most of the custom roms here faster than stock Wizard (8125) roms and they have lots more functionality. Having addons does not take away from your phone's storage space or memory. Only if you turn on the addons will it take away from your phone memory (but just like it would if you installed it yourself). Remember that the ROM has a dedicated area of around 60MB of space. If you put a 40MB rom in that space, you don't gain the 20MB, its just lost on the Wizard. So personally, I pack my roms to fill that space and give the most options built in for people to use.
But there can be a price with having a packed rom. Some have seen slower boot times and slower access to the \Windows folder when you try to use a file manager. But I've never seen it impact overall phone performance itself.
Just had to point that out, as it seems to be a common misconception that people have.
dwny said:
There's tooo many of these non-sense threads.
I can tell you what to use but it's not guaranteed to suit your needs.
You have to take time out to flash & fix to get what you want
You and the other newbies can click here for starters
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thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
but to set everything straight, i have searched. Faria is by far the best working ROM that i've used thus far, and i've spent hours searching for ROMs and i'm already on my 5th one. So just because i have a newbie title on this forum doesn't that i dont know how to use forums, because i've been using them for the better part of the last decade. So please dont past judgement like that, it just shows your ignorance not mine.
One a more sunny note, ammarr thank you for that link, i haven't come across that one yet, and this will be my 7th try on a wm6 rom. Who knows maybe my phone is defective, but it runs the cingular wm5 rom just fine. hope i dont have to go back to that....
ammarr thanks for that link, i've added a few things to it like registry editor and such, but i really like the layout of this one. On top of that, its working well...phone not freezing, not dropping signal etc. Thank again.
well here's my 2 cents, if you liked whiterats rom, try bhoydegets "octavio 4" its an improvement and comes in different pagepools, try it for your self, here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323485
hey,
how would you say its an improvement? I'd like the touch scrolling and today plugin but dont want to mess up my wcrx1 which is working great. Page pools is not an issue since you can change them over activesync. I'm already running wrcx1 with 8mb pp.
simbadogg said:
thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
but to set everything straight, i have searched. Faria is by far the best working ROM that i've used thus far, and i've spent hours searching for ROMs and i'm already on my 5th one. So just because i have a newbie title on this forum doesn't that i dont know how to use forums, because i've been using them for the better part of the last decade. So please dont past judgement like that, it just shows your ignorance not mine.
One a more sunny note, ammarr thank you for that link, i haven't come across that one yet, and this will be my 7th try on a wm6 rom. Who knows maybe my phone is defective, but it runs the cingular wm5 rom just fine. hope i dont have to go back to that....
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I'm glad I can be a jackass and of some assistance.
You stated you're on your 5th flash.....there's over 70 Roms out there and new ones coming every week. You've done nothing! Faria's Rom was released about 3.5 months ago or longer. There has been alot of changes since then....but if you did some real research....you'd know this.
If you feel Faria's Rom is the best....stick with it, modify it & make it your own.
P.S: This is a developer's forum...not a user's forum.
It's not my job to police this forum; people are happy to assist with specific questions or issues as they arise.
simbadogg said:
thanks for trying to be a jackass about the whole thing, you're attempt to help is dualy noted...
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1. I agree with dwny. This is a developers forum. This is not a forum for developers to help nubes flash new ROMS. I'm pretty tired of the "If I flash this ROM, will I lose my programs?" questions. I must see that at least a few times in every new ROM announcement thread. Most of the dumb questions come from people who don't contribute anything but "Works great. But can you add [insert freeware software request here] in the next one?"
2. If you're going to be a wise-ass, please spell all of your words correctly and use the correct context. It may not help you be more correct, but it will at least save you the humiliation of not knowing and understanding your native language. The correct phrase is "Duly Noted." And as a sidenote, dualy isn't even an actual word.
-Mc
Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?
new_ppc_user said:
Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?
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NOPE. Feel free to be the first.
new_ppc_user said:
Hello all,
Having recently upgraded my Hermes to a Kaiser (well actually a AT & T Tilt) and re-flashing it with Schaps 4.30 Rom i have since noticed a sharp decline in performance (compared with my Hermes).
This lead me to look around for something 'better' coming across Duttys cooked ROM and has prompted me to initiate this thread.
Has anyone done a 'review' of the major cooked ROM's out there or even better, put them head to head?
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NOPE. Feel free to be the first.
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Be aware that it will be your full-time job as new ROMs come out almost every 2-3 days.
well lets put it this way. im sure many of you have tried several different roms on your devices.
can anyone shed some light our input into the major rom players?
answer this question and you will get it
Do you like apple or orange ?
They are both fruit but you cannot head to head compare them.
Beside that newer rom is likely but not necessarily to be better. Try around with different Rom and radio to get your favorite one. Well, It takes about 15 mins to flash so you can pretty much try all the Rom in here in few days. In the end, if you are not happy , do some extensive research so you can brew your own.
Dutty Rom is popular and pretty suitable to start up.
aberz said:
answer this question and you will get it
Do you like apple or orange ?
They are both fruit but you cannot head to head compare them.
Beside that newer rom is likely but not necessarily to be better. Try around with different Rom and radio to get your favorite one. Well, It takes about 15 mins to flash so you can pretty much try all the Rom in here in few days. In the end, if you are not happy , do some extensive research so you can brew your own.
Dutty Rom is popular and pretty suitable to start up.
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i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications
new_ppc_user said:
i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications
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Sleuth would also be considered a major player here...
In regards to what you want in a ROM, all signs are pointing to Dutty's except for the useful applications. Just add em yourself though...
His is the fastest ROM I have ever used for any device, including the Hermes...
However, opinions are like assholes....
new_ppc_user said:
i like both !! so that still doesnt answer my question.
unfortunately, i currently have a pretty hectic schedule so i cant really afford to flash and re-flash my unit all the time. in addition it would take quite a while as i have quite a few additional programs on there.
i am under the impression that Dutty and Schap and the two major players here?
things i need to consider:
- speed of operating system
- ease of use
- stability
- usefull applications
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So let me get this straight. You want someone else to do all the work and let you reap the benefits? I see now.
My God man. They cooked the rom. What more do you want? You want me to flash your phone for you? WOW.
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So let me get this straight. You want someone else to do all the work and let you reap the benefits? I see now.
My God man. They cooked the rom. What more do you want? You want me to flash your phone for you? WOW.
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He's got a pretty hectic schedule unlike us.
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
sherpa said:
He's got a pretty hectic schedule unlike us.
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cuz all we do is spoonfeed
new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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No, I dont look for reviews of roms. I flash them and if I dont like them I flash a different one. I have literally tried every single rom (that is in English unlike ATW who even tries foriegn languages) to try and find the one that works best for me. I suggest you do the same and quit asking for someone to do the work for you. The reason I say this is that I can't tell you how many times this same question has been asked. You are definitely not the first nor will you be the last. It seems as though it comes up at least once a week. So, read the first post of the rom, if you dont like what you read or see then move on to the next. Either that or do as most of us do and flash it.
new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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We don't need to scour the internet looking for reviews. We just read the threads in the forum and test ourselves. All the information you will ever need is found in these forums.
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No, I dont look for reviews of roms. I flash them and if I dont like them I flash a different one. I have literally tried every single rom (that is in English unlike ATW who even tries foriegn languages) to try and find the one that works best for me. I suggest you do the same and quit asking for someone to do the work for you. The reason I say this is that I can't tell you how many times this same question has been asked. You are definitely not the first nor will you be the last. It seems as though it comes up at least once a week. So, read the first post of the rom, if you dont like what you read or see then move on to the next. Either that or do as most of us do and flash it.
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Yup... with this guy... it's very easy to use PIM backup and your storage card to backup your vitals before flashing. Sure it's tedious, but that's how this all works. People will review different ROMS on different criteria and it's up to you to find what makes you happy.
new_ppc_user said:
oh please give me a break !!!!
the point of this thread is two fold. yes, i want to do as little as possible
however, i would like to ENCOURAGE the discussion of the different ROMs that are available so that WE as users can talk about what we like in the different roms we encouter with their good points and bad points.
and please, dont tell me you dont scour the internet looking for reviews ?
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Smart man , you want to pay the least to get the most .
1st fold
You want to do as little as possible, so we have to do more to cover your work ? > Fail
2nd fold
There is no "we" and "as users" , should be " I " " as a lazy leecher"
And there is also no point in promoting ROMs discussion. We can talk all day without coming up with any thing good but potential conflict.
> fail, again
I dont know about your schedule but my is also packed too ( ask a pre-med, senior Bio student) . And most of peeps here also get a thing call "life" . If I can do it , you can too. Flashing a Rom is not rocket science that would take a life time to do.
How about this, consider flashing your piece of device a relaxing activity for your break . I would be less pain and more joy. If you dont find flashing , trying and using Rom fun , why bother asking here.
p/s for the amount of time finish 2 posts , you could have already flashed a cool Rom lol.
I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but I'm afraid the only way to work out the best ROM for you is to test them all. If a ROM is unstable, you'll be able to tell pretty quickly from scanning the thread and what is one man's "useful applications" is another man's "bloatware".
The best analogy I've seen is with cars - to some people the perfect car is a sports car, to others it's a people-carrier, everyone's needs and uses are different. Also, as most of the ROMs are built on the same two or three OS builds, you're comparing the cars with virtually identical engines, so differences will be minor*.
My suggestion is make a list of what you use on your phone, then decide if you want a fast ROM (in which case flash a lite ROM and add the bits you want via cabs) or an easy ROM (in which case flash a ROM that's got the most of the things on your list).
You will never get everyone to agree on the "best" ROM simply because there isn't one that is head and shoulders above the others*, just optimised by and for different chefs.
*No offence intended to the great chefs on this forum! I know how much work you must put into your ROMs and I'm not trying to belittle that, just get the point across.
Also, it doesn't hurt to take the little bit of time that is required to make an SDConfig.txt file for the User Customization that most of the ROMs utilize now. That in and of itself is a huge timesaver. Take advantage of that, and someone else also posted PIM Backup, which can also help aid in moving from one ROM to another.
Use one ROM for a week, see how you like it then move on if you want to. That's more or less what I've done. And I've found what I've liked.
JUst another case of someone wanting to be fed.
Was it Karhu who would do benchmarks of all the ROM's in the Hermes forum? Talk about intensive... but again, strictly numbers, meant as an informative comparison of different things.
I think I got your thoughts...
I wanna a ROM table for comparisons... I can say its very difficult to make
1) ROMs change every day... its a rough job to keep it update
2) ROMs are like taste. You like a XYZ ROM because its faster but a friend may like a BCD ROM because it runs that app faster.
3) There ia a lot of apps within those ROMs that make they different. Comparing works if all ROMs carried the same stuff.
4) There are no tops ROM... there are populars ROM
I'm looking to flash my kaiser too but I allways got confused too with different cooked ROMs.
I suggest you to read all of your interest, ask them for any detailed spec. Install the HardSPL for Godsake and try it.
Hi guys,
I'm finally getting around to flashing my stock Vario III after loads of hemming and hawing, but before I do; I have a question or two for you.
1) If I go to WM6.1, can I use my Sprite Backup files to restore my installed apps? I've heard I can't, but would like to confirm.
2) As there are so many ROMs to choose from, are there any for WM6.1 that are as close as possibly to the official T-Mobile ROM my phone shipped with? My primary requirement in a new ROM is stability and usability, but I'd like it to be as fast as possible too.
3) Which pagepool size renders the best performance?
My thanks to those that may answer, and a big wet raspberry to anyone that tell me to search the forum! (I did!)
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Hi guys,
I'm finally getting around to flashing my stock Vario III after loads of hemming and hawing, but before I do; I have a question or two for you.
1) If I go to WM6.1, can I use my Sprite Backup files to restore my installed apps? I've heard I can't, but would like to confirm.
2) As there are so many ROMs to choose from, are there any for WM6.1 that are as close as possibly to the official T-Mobile ROM my phone shipped with? My primary requirement in a new ROM is stability and usability, but I'd like it to be as fast as possible too.
3) Which pagepool size renders the best performance?
My thanks to those that may answer, and a big wet raspberry to anyone that tell me to search the forum! (I did!)
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1. No. Only if you use the same rom. Use UC to install your apps. Its real easy.
2. Cant tell you that. It's a personal preference thing. Only you can answer that.
3. I like 18.
Thanks. I know 2 is mainly a personal preference thing, but I'd rather find one that's as similar to the shipped rom as I can, without all the extra trimmings that people add. Hence I was asking if there were any like that, beyond that NoFrills one.
Oh, BTW.. What's UC? Could you expand the abbreviation please?
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Thanks. I know 2 is mainly a personal preference thing, but I'd rather find one that's as similar to the shipped rom as I can, without all the extra trimmings that people add. Hence I was asking if there were any like that, beyond that NoFrills one.
Oh, BTW.. What's UC? Could you expand the abbreviation please?
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UC us User Customization. It was developed on this site to allow people to 1-tap install all of their applications after flashing a new ROM. It works the same way as carrier customization after a hard reset.
The NoThrills ROM floating around here is quite good for someone looking for a very basic ROM so there are no unused/wasted applications on your phone. Until the Apr 09 Dutty ROM came around, I was running NoThrills since the day it came out, and was very satisfied with it.
FloatingFatMan said:
Thanks. I know 2 is mainly a personal preference thing, but I'd rather find one that's as similar to the shipped rom as I can, without all the extra trimmings that people add. Hence I was asking if there were any like that, beyond that NoFrills one.
Oh, BTW.. What's UC? Could you expand the abbreviation please?
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This link should give you all of the information you need.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=366337&highlight=User+customization
Ah, that thread! Thanks guys.
FloatingFatMan said:
Ah, that thread! Thanks guys.
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No problem. Just remember, once you flash, you're hooked. Welcome to rom flashers anon.
soo true..
P1Tater said:
No problem. Just remember, once you flash, you're hooked. Welcome to rom flashers anon.
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P1Tater, i so agree to that ... I have flashed so many roms since i have joined xda that my wife is at the brink of taking my phone away from me... lol :-D.
But to be honest FloatingFatMan it really is dependent on your taste for me i can't get away from Dutty's roms as they are very nicely put together (although am patiently waiting for final release of xda live 2.0). And if you don't like the rom you flash just go back to the oem (should be able to find it around here, i got my att oem rom from here just in case i need.
However i must say on thing you are quite patient ... member since 2005 and not flashed once???... i only joined in april and can't stop flashing ... hehehe
thesire said:
member since 2005 and not flashed once???... i only joined in april and can't stop flashing ... hehehe
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I have my hesitations for flashing too... it looks too complicated, at least the first time. So far, I have not tried... using Vista makes it look very difficult too.
Any specific tips here? BTW, as far as searching the forum is concerned, I have read them all... almost
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I have my hesitations for flashing too... it looks too complicated, at least the first time. So far, I have not tried... using Vista makes it look very difficult too.
Any specific tips here? BTW, as far as searching the forum is concerned, I have read them all... almost
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I really do think the Wiki's and FAQ's have a lot to offer. That is how I learned to flash and customize. It seems like the hardest part(insert joke) is the first time set up stuff like Hard SPL, Jump SPL, etc. But after that you start to tweak your device more, it gets easier. Sprinkle in a little UC(User Customizations) and then your hooked. You'll start looking for and trying any and every ROM out there. I know people get annoyed when all of us say to read but it's the only way to learn and understand the stuff. It's all laid out for you, you just have to use it and soak it all in. And if you have really read and made an honest effort to learn on your own(and we can tell) lots of people here are more than willing to help, we've all been there. It's just when we read all the redundant questions that have already been answered that some get their blow torches out.
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I have my hesitations for flashing too... it looks too complicated, at least the first time. So far, I have not tried... using Vista makes it look very difficult too.
Any specific tips here? BTW, as far as searching the forum is concerned, I have read them all... almost
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no doubt, after all the tytn II is an expensive toy and u would have a hard time justifying it to urself if u bricked it on ur first atempt. but honestly its fairly ez first u need to get hardspl and after that flash any rom for kaiser u like. i have xp so not sure about issues w/vista but if u pm me i can tell u how i did it and hopefully that will help.
also read the first sticky, everything in it, in the Kaiser rom development form it should clear up alot of hesitations.
p.s. can't include links to threads as i am at work on my tilt
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moonray said:
I have my hesitations for flashing too... it looks too complicated, at least the first time. So far, I have not tried... using Vista makes it look very difficult too.
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hey buddy, honestly there is nothing hard about flashing with vista, just to be safe i downloaded everything to make my comp more like xp, but i used a friends and only installed WMDC, winrar, and the ROM. i love flashing and so long as you have HardSPL on your kaiser then everything will go just fine. any questions feel free to pm me and i'll do my best to answer within an hour, i basically live on this site
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P1Tater, i so agree to that ... I have flashed so many roms since i have joined xda that my wife is at the brink of taking my phone away from me... lol :-D.
But to be honest FloatingFatMan it really is dependent on your taste for me i can't get away from Dutty's roms as they are very nicely put together (although am patiently waiting for final release of xda live 2.0). And if you don't like the rom you flash just go back to the oem (should be able to find it around here, i got my att oem rom from here just in case i need.
However i must say on thing you are quite patient ... member since 2005 and not flashed once???... i only joined in april and can't stop flashing ... hehehe
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Oh I've flashed my old Magician a few times... I'm not the slightest bit worried about bricking my devices either. I've read everything and am pretty confident.
No, my reason for hesitation is that I'm basically a lazy bugger and the thought of reinstalling all my apps is irritating. Besides.. With so many ROMs, it's hard to choose the one I want!
@futbolkeeper, thesire and tubaking182,
Thank you very much for the advice and support, appreciated. My idea of first-time flashing is:
Step 1. HardSPL (after data backup)
Step 2. Flash new ROM
Step 3. Flash new Radio.
Step 4. Restore data
Step 5. Install any new apps, if necessary...
Am I right here? I may do this in a short while!
ahahah.
I would be a trifle peery of your 4th bullet. You do not mean to restore data from a preexisting backup, do you? Even if you partially succeed, you can make one big mess of your "new" Kaiser. Nothing an HR could not put straight, but that defeats the purpose of restoring data in the first place, now doesn't it. (and yes, I went through that myself. Lost an hour or so for exactly zero gain)
If, however, you only mean things that PIM Backup can store, go ahead by all means! Contacts, agenda, tasks, texts - NP here.
And yes, you will end up (re)installing extra apps - if only because no-one but you can judge what is key for you. And because if you use your Kaiser as a gaming platform or a mobile library, no-one has quite the same taste as you.
Ah, and yes, your suggested order is quite correct
Thank you wyrm. That's absolutely clear, and by 'restore data' I meant PIM backup, so no problems here.
As I am typing this, I have already done the first three steps above, everything is perfect and am restoring with PIMbackup now... It has been a great experience, and am very excited...
EDIT: PIM data restored and all's well. Hope all my previous programs work well with this ROM too.
BTW, This ROM (Dutty's WM6.1_5.2.19700_Hybrid_V2) has a radio also inbuilt, so step 3 was redundant
Entire process took about 20 minutes flat...
I've flash so many times already, reading all about ROMs out there really convincing. So I flash and flashed on my Hermes, HP and Kaiser then only realize bugs one after another. No big deal. And it's not going to stop too.
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moonray said:
@futbolkeeper, thesire and tubaking182,
Thank you very much for the advice and support, appreciated. My idea of first-time flashing is:
Step 1. HardSPL (after data backup)
Step 2. Flash new ROM
Step 3. Flash new Radio.
Step 4. Restore data
Step 5. Install any new apps, if necessary...
Am I right here? I may do this in a short while!
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ALWAYS HARD RESET AFTER YOU FLASH!!
i know it seems like a waste of time but you need to do it in order to make sure that everything from the last ROM is deleted
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ALWAYS HARD RESET AFTER YOU FLASH!!
i know it seems like a waste of time but you need to do it in order to make sure that everything from the last ROM is deleted
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Thanks! Fortunately, I remembered immediately after flashing and did it... otherwise, I would have had to do so now and lose all the newly installed apps