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Restore Internet Calling in Faria's WM6 ROM?

I have been attempting to add Interenet Calling to Faria's WM6 ROM by adding the necessary files and registry changes and re-cooking the ROM but I am getting nowhere fast. I have managed to add some files to the original ROM, make a couple of registry changes fine and change some settings in the initflashfiles.dat file to remove some shortcuts I don't want and I can get this to work fine, however re-adding the IP Phone stuff is a bit more of a task.......
I have extracted the files (or modules) from the MB ROM and added the regsistry changes and the ROM cooks just fine. When I flash the Wizard though it completes sucessfully and then reboots. I get the 1st splash screen but then when the 2nd splashscreen should appear I get a white screen. The Wizard is working as I can hear the bleep when it asks you to 'tap the screen to set up the device'. It also powers on and off OK, but I only ever get this white screen.
I have tried this about 4 times now and I am convinced the registry changes and required files are correct, but each time I get this white screen. Any ideas?
Andy

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290786
Read this... especially towards the end.

trojan9x said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290786
Read this... especially towards the end.
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Already read it..... I can get Internet Calling back if I launch the VoIP.CAB that is included in that thread after installation, however I want these to be integrated into the ROM like they were originally (Faria has removed them). As I said I have had some sucess with adding other files and other registry changes it is just this bit that I am stuck on.
I did manage to get a bit further but ended up with a corrupt Today screen, no idea what happened there though
Andy

What are you stuck on?... you said you didn't have it, but now you said you can get internet calling... what exactly are you trying to do?

Faria has said that his rom takes up almost the entire space alotted. Have you tried removing some files from the rom to clear up room for the VoIP files?

trojan9x said:
What are you stuck on?... you said you didn't have it, but now you said you can get internet calling... what exactly are you trying to do?
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I want to restore the Internet Calling option in Faria's WM6 ROM - pretty simple to understand really
I can add it manually via the VoIP.cab file but this obviously takes up RAM and can be removed via 'Remove Programs'. I would like to add the files that are missing and make the necessary registry changes then re-cook the ROM. I would prefer to keep Faria's base ROM.
I haven't tried removing anything from Faria's ROM so far, I didn't realise it was near the limit - I thought we had 128MB to play with on the Wizard, are we near that already?
Andy

Listen.. that cab only does registry fixes and puts in the NECESSARY files for the current voip functionality. it does not install anything that is not needed. Extract the cab and look at the xml file. it will tell you exactly what it does...Pretty simple concept

trojan9x said:
Listen.. that cab only does registry fixes and puts in the NECESSARY files for the current voip functionality. it does not install anything that is not needed. Extract the cab and look at the xml file. it will tell you exactly what it does...Pretty simple concept
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Yep, already done that, hence my original post.....
I have added the necessary registry changes/additions and proof-read them several times, however once the ROM is cooked and installed the thing reboots, I get the 1st splash screen OK, then the white screen when the 2nd splash screen should appear and that's it.
I will have a look at how bloated the DUMP directory is with the additional files in there and see if I am going over 128MB.
Andy

The DUMP folder is apparently 122MB (128,512,401 Bytes) but is taking up 132MB (139,141,120) on the disk on my PC. Does anyone know if this is too big? If it is what is safe to remove?
Thanks
Andy

Done it.......
If anyone is interested I managed to get Internet Calling back into Faria's ROM.....
What I did originally was correct, however the file (or modules) that are needed for Internet Calling total about 3.5MB, which I think was slightly too much and would make the ROM bigger than 128MB (I think Faria must have realised this when developing his ROM and removed them to save space). I have been through the installed applications and files and have removed some stuff that I don't use. I then re-built the ROM and low and behold it worked first time and Internet Calling is now an option...
It still doesn't work however but that is just because it needs a provisioning XML file from a provider. Hopefully when WM6 devices appear we will be able to extract a provisioning XML file and dig deeper........
And no, the ROM is not available since this is Faria's work and not mine.
Andy

Nice,
I’m new to this and the only thing that I need from WM6 is the “Internet Calling”
I have no ides how to make the voip work. But I fond this at Microsoft.
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms898226.aspx
I really would like to test this with my “asterisk server” (http://www.asterisk.org/)
/joad

Where did you find the "Internet Calling total about 3.5MB" module?
Or maby you have changed your mind and feel like chairing your ”build” of WM6

joad said:
Nice,
I’m new to this and the only thing that I need from WM6 is the “Internet Calling”
I have no ides how to make the voip work. But I fond this at Microsoft.
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms898226.aspx
I really would like to test this with my “asterisk server” (http://www.asterisk.org/)
/joad
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I have exactly the same intentions, joad. I've got wm6 on my O2 XDA mini so I can try and connect to my Asterisk server as well!
Let's hope his eventually works.
N

joad said:
Where did you find the "Internet Calling total about 3.5MB" module?
Or maby you have changed your mind and feel like chairing your ”build” of WM6
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You need to add the following files into the ROM (the 1st 3 are actually modules and are in directories with the same name):
dnsapi.dll
rtcdll.dll
voipphonecanvas.dll
ipdialplan.xml
ringback.wma
You also need to add the registry entries to the default.hv and user.hv that are contained in the '_setup.xml' file from the VoIP.CAB file (or extract them from another ROM that already contains Internet Calling).
HTH
Andy

joad said:
Where did you find the "Internet Calling total about 3.5MB" module?
Or maby you have changed your mind and feel like chairing your ”build” of WM6
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Joad,
I agree with you. The 3.5 Mb footprint is inflated.
It's only 1.75 MB (remember if you are using recmod when you are unpacking the ROM with viewimgfs, you have two copies of the files that are stored as modules: the module version and a file copy!.
--eluth.

eluth, I knew that somebody out there would have done the right job. Congratulation! Would you mind making your rom available to us?
Thank you
Gio2003

Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaase !!!!!!
There are so many people wanting to do this now - and I have a MAJOR need for this on a Hermes -- I have a solid SIP provider and can get to it with my other apps but integration I can't test ---
I am trying soooo hard to pin this down. I have not found a single ROM yet that has the "complete" add-in of what you mention here.
It would be GREATLY APPRECIATED.
Thanks
gio2003 said:
eluth, I knew that somebody out there would have done the right job. Congratulation! Would you mind making your rom available to us?
Thank you
Gio2003
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ckolibab said:
There are so many people wanting to do this now - and I have a MAJOR need for this on a Hermes -- I have a solid SIP provider and can get to it with my other apps but integration I can't test ---
I am trying soooo hard to pin this down. I have not found a single ROM yet that has the "complete" add-in of what you mention here.
It would be GREATLY APPRECIATED.
Thanks
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This .CAB worked on my Wizard with Faria's WM6 real thing ROM that had the VoIP stuff removed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1147821&postcount=138
I then added the files and registry settings back and re-cooked the ROM.
HTH
Andy

Yikes!!!

Okay,
I have had my wizard for about a year now and in that time have flashed countless ROMs without any major problems, but yesterday I came as close as I ever have to bricking my device, and the crazy thing is that I have no idea why. I am hoping that the "real men of genius" here can help me figure out what the freak happened, or specifically what I probably did wrong
Before anyone asks, yes my phone is SIM and CID unlocked and it is a G3.
I recently moved from Core 2.0n to mfrazzz XDA Mobile 6. I really liked it but with mattr_k's easy kitchen and stripped down base I figured I could play with it a little to get some more of the apps and settings I like in it from the get go, and save the space without the ones I don't. I had been playing around with the core kitchen and the first kitchen mattk_r upped so I had a pretty good idea of what to do.
here is what happened as best as I can remember ( I should have taken notes as it was happening but I was too freaked out!)
I created the OEM directory and copied the reg tweaks and packages that I wanted from Pandora's Box (v2). I ran Build OS and selected all and it completed without problem. I ran createROM.bat and no problems there. I went into flashing, built the nbf and flashed. The flash went fine with no hang ups.
When the device restarted after flashing it went to the first splash screen and then stayed white. I left it this way for 10 minutes and then it was still like this I tried a soft reset. It reset fine but stayed white. I then tried flashing back to the original mfrazzz ROM but when it got to 95% the flash tool errored out and closed. The phone was stuck with the progress bar at 95%.
I freaked out a little and then rembered that I still had a copy of wizard love on this computer so I put it in bootloader mode and then flashed that. That got the phone back up. I then tried reflashing my "cooked" ROM. It loaded this time, but the today screen was a white background and some of the today plugins were extremely distorted and it just wasn't right.
I reflashed wizard love, and then reflashed the mfrazzz's original XDA Mobile. My phone is now fine.
Any ideas on what the heck happened.

Just guessing here....did you messed with the splash screens ?

anichillus said:
Just guessing here....did you messed with the splash screens ?
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Not on purpose, followed the steps above as far as I can recall.

You almost wrote a book about this ;P
The day when my device amost brick by dcdivenut
"..Was raining on this night and my device stop to work.."
hehe only joking

When you built the nk.nbf file, did you build in a splash screen or htc_logo? Or did you only build the OS into the file? If you built a splash screen, you have to verify the file sizes. htc_logo has to be exactly 64K, and the splash screen has to be 196608 bytes in size. If these are off, you will have hangs and stuff.
If you only did the OS, what is the size of your nk.nbf? If its too big it wouldn't have flashed.
BTW: Welcome to the world of rom cooking... I've scared myself a few times

ouch - been there a few times myself - but usually 'cause I was really hacking the OS components, like compressing the files in the XIP or OS directory.
If you mixed a Pandora kitchen with another OEM folder (or visa-vera), you might have left out critical components from the OEMAPPS/OEMDRIVERS, etc, Default and Langdb folders. I moved them to the SYS folder to allow more "generic" OEM package contents.
You might start with a complete base kitchen and work from there. Be wary of mixing - until you're very comfortable moving OS components - and can recognize critical pieces!

When you built the nk.nbf file, did you build in a splash screen or htc_logo? Or did you only build the OS into the file? If you built a splash screen, you have to verify the file sizes. htc_logo has to be exactly 64K, and the splash screen has to be 196608 bytes in size. If these are off, you will have hangs and stuff.
I didn't touch splash or anything like that.
mattk_r said:
ouch - been there a few times myself - but usually 'cause I was really hacking the OS components, like compressing the files in the XIP or OS directory.
If you mixed a Pandora kitchen with another OEM folder (or visa-vera), you might have left out critical components from the OEMAPPS/OEMDRIVERS, etc, Default and Langdb folders. I moved them to the SYS folder to allow more "generic" OEM package contents.
You might start with a complete base kitchen and work from there. Be wary of mixing - until you're very comfortable moving OS components - and can recognize critical pieces!
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I did use only your base kitchen from the "stripped thread" and actually redownloaded the OEM package from the same post as well so I wouldn't mix packages. I guess I will give it another shot when I have the time to rescue it from the dead if need be!

boto said:
You almost wrote a book about this ;P
The day when my device amost brick by dcdivenut
"..Was raining on this night and my device stop to work.."
hehe only joking
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well it would definitely be a tragicomedy!! or perhaps a nail biting thriller! I wanted to give as much detail as possible since I hate it when someone posts, "I bricked my device, what happened?!?!?! PLEASE HELP!!!!"

dcdivenut said:
When you built the nk.nbf file, did you build in a splash screen or htc_logo? Or did you only build the OS into the file? If you built a splash screen, you have to verify the file sizes. htc_logo has to be exactly 64K, and the splash screen has to be 196608 bytes in size. If these are off, you will have hangs and stuff.
I didn't touch splash or anything like that.
I did use only your base kitchen from the "stripped thread" and actually redownloaded the OEM package from the same post as well so I wouldn't mix packages. I guess I will give it another shot when I have the time to rescue it from the dead if need be!
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If you're using the whole thing, just be sure to only enter WWE for language, and check only OS line box, point to the ../temp folder for the ...-OS.nb file, select OS from the drop down on the same line, and click the mouse in the address box so it will auto-fill, but don't change it.
I have added splash screens and extended roms in, but not in the kitchen, or any roms I post. I figure it adds too much completixy and liability for users.

mattk_r said:
If you're using the whole thing, just be sure to only enter WWE for language, and check only OS line box, point to the ../temp folder for the ...-OS.nb file, select OS from the drop down on the same line, and click the mouse in the address box so it will auto-fill, but don't change it.
I have added splash screens and extended roms in, but not in the kitchen, or any roms I post. I figure it adds too much completixy and liability for users.
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I don't think I entered WWE for language, but I did everything else, and didn't do anything extra. That is something to try...

UPDATE!!
I am not sure that something as simple as typing WWE in the language field is what made the difference but I did and it worked. On my home computer I redownloaded the kitchen, base and OEM packages.
I first flashed it with nothing added to the OEM folder and it worked
Then I added to the OEM folder and that worked.
Then I got cocky, redownloaded mfrazzz's original XDA Mobile 6, used Corekitchen to dump, extracted the x-mfrazzz and x-faria settings, combined parts from both and that...............
WORKED!!! YAY! doing a jig (quielty so as not to wake the fiance at 1AM!)
Now all I need to do to really get this to what I want is to make make packages for the following
1. Live search (not live, just search)
2. CloseAll (I just like it!)
3. Softkey from mfrazz's (I prefer it to the Sharkey 48 I have)
4. Get working package of Photodialer today plugin
5. Time sync package from XDA Mobile 6
Any help from the pros in getting this up woudl be awesome! Hopefully others will be able to use them as well.

dcdivenut said:
Then I got cocky, redownloaded mfrazzz's original XDA Mobile 6, used Corekitchen to dump, extracted the x-mfrazzz and x-faria settings, combined parts from both and that...............
WORKED!!! YAY! doing a jig (quielty so as not to wake the fiance at 1AM!)
Now all I need to do to really get this to what I want is to make make packages for the following
1. Live search (not live, just search)
2. CloseAll (I just like it!)
3. Softkey from mfrazz's (I prefer it to the Sharkey 48 I have)
4. Get working package of Photodialer today plugin
5. Time sync package from XDA Mobile 6
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IF you used Core Kitchen to dump my rom then you have the OEM folders I used and that has SoftKeyEx, TimeSync and you'll find Windows Live and Windows Live search are actually there in the OEM and not in SYS. So I think you have most of what you need now .

mfrazzz said:
IF you used Core Kitchen to dump my rom then you have the OEM folders I used and that has SoftKeyEx, TimeSync and you'll find Windows Live and Windows Live search are actually there in the OEM and not in SYS. So I think you have most of what you need now .
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SWEET!
Soft key - Check
Time Sync - Check
I found this in the .rgu file in the x-mfrazzz apps. is this for the softkey app or something else?
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services\Stk_service]
"Dll"="\\windows\\STK_Service.dll"
"Description"="STK Service"
"DisplayName"="STK Service"
"Context"=dword:00000001
"Keep"=dword:00000001
"Order"=dword:00000005
"Index"=dword:00000005
Windows Live search - In your OEM folder there are two folders, WindowsLive and WindowsLive_DPI_96. These are both currently also in the SYS folder of mattr_k's base so wouldn't this throw an error? I know I am missing something stupid here.
Ring tones - Is there anyway I can build mp3's into the ROM? I tried placing them in the x-mfrazzz settings folder in my SYS but that didn't work, even though they get built into the windows directory. I looked in the .rgu and there doesn;t seem to be anything about where to place these
PHMReg Edit - I thought I remembered you saying something about being able to export reg settings in the correct format. I was playing around with this and the closest thing I could find was backup. That created a .rbk file but I get gibberish in notepad when I try to open it. My thought process here was to use get all the reg setting the way I want, export them, get them into a .rgu file and then build them in. Any ideas?
How do I get it so that ini_tray.lnk is not automatically in startup?.

Has anyone seen an error message when starting buildOS that just says there was a bug and the app is shutting down?

dcdivenut said:
Has anyone seen an error message when starting buildOS that just says there was a bug and the app is shutting down?
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Yes... If I remember right that was when I had a options.xml that wasn't saved in Unicode (or maybe it was the .rgu or .dsm). Pull packages out and you can figure out which one is teh offending package. Then look at the xml, rgu, and dsm (but I'm pretty sure it was a bad options.xml)

mfrazzz said:
Yes... If I remember right that was when I had a options.xml that wasn't saved in Unicode (or maybe it was the .rgu or .dsm). Pull packages out and you can figure out which one is teh offending package. Then look at the xml, rgu, and dsm (but I'm pretty sure it was a bad options.xml)
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Cool, will check when I get home, any thought on post above?

Hmmmmmm...
Seems to me your mind was on your woman and not your Wizard... just a thought,ehehe!
Congrats bro!

My woman gets mad because my mind is usually on my Wizard and my Hermes.. lol .. and not on her.. go figure...

Madcap180 said:
My woman gets mad because my mind is usually on my Wizard and my Hermes.. lol .. and not on her.. go figure...
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dc just got engaged.....

Congrats DC ... if you ever need someone to pick the lock on that ball and chain, let me know...j/k

v2.0 Integrating Touch Files into 318 Kitchen [kitchen updated 7/9/07 @ 21:37 PST]

I need some help debugging the kitchen with the touchflo files.
For those who are sent the new kitchen; as you test and find solutions, please post what you did.
I wanted a sperate thread for just these specific objecives.
Here is the objectives:
To retain the ability to build a ROM with or without TouchFlo
To have only ONE seperate camera package that will work in any configuration
To allow portions of the touch software to work seperately should TouchFlo not be installed
I know there are other threads dedicated to debugging the touch software, however this is targeted at just the kitchen integration.
Current issues (v2):
Streaming Media isn't showing up in Programs, won't open.
Speed Dial hasn't been confirmed working or not.
No images for Beam - still need pictures!!!
Windows Live won't connect. Cab fixes issue. Need to find missing entries
Black Keyboard doesn't show numbers across top row. Need to find setting.
The power button will put phone into "standby" mode (basically screen and Wifi off), but won't power down.

318
I'll be glad to test. I was working on a 318 Kitchen but didn't get very far.

Too many Duplicate files.
Going back to work on my own kitchen I was much further along than what you have here.
My suggestions:
1) You should at start by deleting duplicate files. I can build a rom and flash it with my kitchen, I can't build with yours w/o getting one dup file error after another.
Please update, I will try to devote some time to your kitchen.
Thanks

NP. I'll update shortly.

My Files
I deleted dup files in my kitchen but I think I deleted one to many, now I can build, and I can flash using shelltool but it gets stuck at splash screen. Damm where did I go wrong??? I feel like a dumbass!

Hopefully this one will work a bit better. another 30 mintues till it's up.
The boot issue is probably related to the files in the OEMAPPS folder. There are some dll's in there that I found are super sensitive to this build - too bad I wasn't more careful in documenting what they were.

Documenting.
Started documenting now! Too much going on now not to, especially after my last mistake.

Test
So have you actualy built and started testing a rom with your kitchen?

I've been doing that for days... but I've tried a number of different combinations and this one seems most promising - though by no means is it ready. 1413 has by far been the easiest, but I still believe the 318 is the best choice.
I'm gonna be out until Monday night, so this is my last attempt for a few days

I have 318 with touchflo working.
Keep the original OEMAPPS im afraid, literally just the touchflo components (Audiomanager,etc) and then use recmod on touch.dll and throw it in OEMDRIVERS.
Ive just finished my refined version of the DOPOD touch rom, very well tweaked, it is as close to OEMWizard as it will ever get.
Going to give that a test burn tonight hopefully.
I will post my OEM folder for 318 if you need it.

Whiterat said:
I have 318 with touchflo working.
Keep the original OEMAPPS im afraid, literally just the touchflo components (Audiomanager,etc) and then use recmod on touch.dll and throw it in OEMDRIVERS.
Ive just finished my refined version of the DOPOD touch rom, very well tweaked, it is as close to OEMWizard as it will ever get.
Going to give that a test burn tonight hopefully.
I will post my OEM folder for 318 if you need it.
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If you could, it would be much appreciated. Anything to help get closer to a fully functioning setup

Ok, so i tested the oem folder from the reTouched Beta thing. I included everything in there but my problem is that TouchFLO does not function the way it is supposed to. With what you guys are doing, have you verified that TouchFLO even operates correctly?

I thnk the touch flo isn't all its cracked up to be..I ran the reTouch wasn't a fan..its not as fast as any rom..only thing I like is the dialer and the cube

I actually have a good feeling about it. I ran the french rom for a couple days - and other than not knowing most of what it said (glad I know the OS and took 2 years of french in high school) I was very pleased with the performance. Specifically the speed at which the screen "rotated", responsiveness, and how quickly the contacts scrolled on the screen was impressive. Enough to keep me interested well into the night

so matt, think you can make a cab from it? the cube that is lol.

Here you go:
http://rapidshare.com/files/40068930/OEM.rar
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Works perfectly but does need some cleaning up to fit your needs (Whiterat and OEMOPERATORS folders)

Whiterat said:
Here you go:
Works perfectly but does need some cleaning up to fit your needs (Whiterat and OEMOPERATORS folders)
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So if what you are saying is true I should be able to create cabs from the correct?

AFAIK It wont be possible due to the touch driver not being replacable, you might be able to rename touch.dll and then update the registry entry.

cleaning up
Whiterat said:
Here you go:
Works perfectly but does need some cleaning up to fit your needs (Whiterat and OEMOPERATORS folders)
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Hello, can i just copy this oem-folder to the kitchen and then remove the whiterat-folder. Which folders do i also need to delete to flash the rom?!

hanzieman said:
Hello, can i just copy this oem-folder to the kitchen and then remove the whiterat-folder. Which folders do i also need to delete to flash the rom?!
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For what I see whiterat folder are some reg tweaks that you'll probably use anyways, and as far as folders to remove it might be less of a hassle to simply add the packages that you use that are not there.

WCELOAD.exe during customization

Hi,
I am using in my ROM the normal process to start the customization after burning the ROM.
File \OEM\OperatorPKG\mxipupdate_zzPIED_101.provxml:
<wap-provisioningdoc>
<characteristic type="Registry">
<characteristic type="HKLM\Comm" >
<parm name="AutoRunCFG" value="\windows\config_operator.txt" datatype="string" />
<parm name="AutoRun" value="\windows\AutoRun.exe" datatype="string" />
</characteristic>
</characteristic>
</wap-provisioningdoc>
In my config_operator.txt I am installing some CABs - which works fine.
My idea was to delete all CABs after installation automatically. For that reason I have changed a *.rgu under \SYS\Shell:
from
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\cabfile\Shell\Open\Command]
@="wceload.exe \"%1\" /delete 1"
to
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\cabfile\Shell\Open\Command]
@="wceload.exe \"%1\" /nodelete"
In normal cases @="wceload.exe \"%1\" /delete 1" makes sure the a CAB will be deleted after installation.
If I install a CAB after customization the CAB is gone - so far so good - means the entry in the registry is fine.
Unfortunately, during the customization (which works fine) the CABs are still under \windows. It seems that the above change does not work with customization.
Question:
Does the autorun process (during the customization) after burning a ROM also using the wceload.exe to install a CAB ?
Regards
kuzco1

I was going to ask a very similar question, but I think I'll just bump yours instead

'Burn' the ROM
Yes, really like it rather than 'flash'.
If u want the cab deleted after autorun, just remove the read-only attributes & vice-versa. (if cabs in SD)
/nodelete switch wont work as it still delete the cab if the cab is not with read-only attr.
i think autorun doesnt use wceload but let the experts confirm it first. Just my guess.

So you want to delete a file from the ROM during customization (wont work) or off the MicroSD (would work), however I don't think I would include something from the SD in the customization XML I would use an auto installer first.
Thanks

Wait, I'm sorry, but it looks like you've changed the registry to NOT delete the .cab

mbarvian said:
Wait, I'm sorry, but it looks like you've changed the registry to NOT delete the .cab
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Heh...yeah I think he got those switched.
But, the point is.. when you cook a ROM, everything in that ROM gets flashed to the read-only part of your device's memory. It can't be deleted...through any (normal) means.
This is one of the reasons some people like lite-ROMS...because ROMs that have alot of stuff in them just can't have their contents manually deleted.
With the Kasier memory map at least there is no way to do this.
As suggested, you could have those CABs on the storage card, but that wouldn't be advised as those might not be present.

bengalih said:
Heh...yeah I think he got those switched.
But, the point is.. when you cook a ROM, everything in that ROM gets flashed to the read-only part of your device's memory. It can't be deleted...through any (normal) means.
This is one of the reasons some people like lite-ROMS...because ROMs that have alot of stuff in them just can't have their contents manually deleted.
With the Kasier memory map at least there is no way to do this.
As suggested, you could have those CABs on the storage card, but that wouldn't be advised as those might not be present.
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OK thanks for that useful info bengalih
hmm, so I guess the best thing to do would be either cook it in, or go for a light approach. However, if going with the light approach, wouldn't the device perform worse than if the .cabs were cooked in an OEM package?

mbarvian said:
OK thanks for that useful info bengalih
hmm, so I guess the best thing to do would be either cook it in, or go for a light approach. However, if going with the light approach, wouldn't the device perform worse than if the .cabs were cooked in an OEM package?
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As far as I know... the memory in the Kaiser is the same type, and is just separated into the read-only portion (where the ROM is flashed to), and the writable portion (where you can install content into).
This has been mentioned many times, and I don't think anyone has gotten any more conclusive than I had in some earlier threads about memory types on the kasier.
So, no... if you install App1.exe by cooking into your ROM, vs. installing it afterwards, there shouldn't be a difference in the speed. Obviously, if you install it to your storage card it will be slower.
I have always been a proponent of lighter ROMS, the reason being is not that I don't want a lot of stuff...I generally do load a lot.. But, the problem is it can't be removed.
So, if you cook in an app into your ROM, and that app is then updated you have to install the updated versoin without removing the original (which is cooked in and read-only). To make it worse, quite a few apps install things in the \Windows directory and won't even allow you to upgrade because it can't overwrite itself (or be installed to an alternate location).
My advice, especially if cooking for yourself is to cook in any core apps that are unlikely to get updated (like Office, basic games, etc.). Just cook in the files (e.g OEM packages) and not the CABs themselves.
Any other apps that you see as needing updates I would install separately, unless you want to be recooking the ROM every time you want to update them.

bengalih said:
As far as I know... the memory in the Kaiser is the same type, and is just separated into the read-only portion (where the ROM is flashed to), and the writable portion (where you can install content into).
This has been mentioned many times, and I don't think anyone has gotten any more conclusive than I had in some earlier threads about memory types on the kasier.
So, no... if you install App1.exe by cooking into your ROM, vs. installing it afterwards, there shouldn't be a difference in the speed. Obviously, if you install it to your storage card it will be slower.
I have always been a proponent of lighter ROMS, the reason being is not that I don't want a lot of stuff...I generally do load a lot.. But, the problem is it can't be removed.
So, if you cook in an app into your ROM, and that app is then updated you have to install the updated versoin without removing the original (which is cooked in and read-only). To make it worse, quite a few apps install things in the \Windows directory and won't even allow you to upgrade because it can't overwrite itself (or be installed to an alternate location).
My advice, especially if cooking for yourself is to cook in any core apps that are unlikely to get updated (like Office, basic games, etc.). Just cook in the files (e.g OEM packages) and not the CABs themselves.
Any other apps that you see as needing updates I would install separately, unless you want to be recooking the ROM every time you want to update them.
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wow, another good post
that is basically what I am trying to accomplish. I have my registry tweaks, files that don't get updated (Office, etc.) cooked in, but for some reason I cannot change the look of the dialer (I wanted to use poorlyduck's diamond dialer) by converting it to an OEM package with Ervius' Package Creator. Same with the comm manager skin. Therfore, I have resorted to installing these two through their default cabinet files during initial customization.
also, here's some very nice posts by duttythroy in the diamond rom development concerning this topic:
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Just a tip, A clean rom is very good if you going to stick with what you got in the rom and possible a few otther apps by cabs, If your going to installed the same apps which are in a full rom then the clean rom with those apps in will make you lose valuable storage space rather than them cooked in and sometimes device will start to feel sluggish but it all depends on how many cabs youre going to re-install.
TIps , there are certain apps which are cooked in doesnt take up any storage space but if install by cab you will then use up valuable space.
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bascally there some programs which ar cooked in for e.g Remote desktop, If cook this in its 1.45mb I think, I will only use up only about .45mb and save 1mb of storage space, If i install this by cab I would use up all of the 1.45mb storage space
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mbarvian said:
wow, another good post
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also, here's some very nice posts by duttythroy in the diamond rom development concerning this topic:
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Well dutty is by far a better cook than I... I'll stick to the scripting. I understand the basics of cooking...I just don't have the temperment for it.
However, I don't fully agree with all those points. I think his conclusions are correct, but I don't think the reasoning behind them are.
First off with space. Windows machines (be they PCs or WM devices) are basically made up of two things. File system and Registry (the registry just being a special file on the system). If I remove 2MB worth of an app from a ROM before I cook it, and then create a .CAB that contains those 2MB of files, the same amount of space is going to be taken up.
I have ripped quite a few apps to compile CABS from ROMs, and I know this to be the case.
So, in theory there is no reason why an app that is cooked into the phone would take up any less space than a .CAB. The only additional thing that the .CAB would create is a registry entry that the .CAB is installed.
In practice however, dutty may be correct. Because it is very difficult to figure out where everything is and strip it properly from a ROM. So, you might think you ripped out App1, but in reality you left a couple of extra files in the Windows directory, or a few registry keys, etc. Generally if there is a space discepancy beyond a very small amount (a couple reg entries perhaps) then the cook doing the cleaning or the person packaging the CAB probably weren't as thorough as they could be.
Another possibility is that some apps that may reside in the windows directory on a loaded ROM share some common files. If you attempt to install this via CAB to a separate directory, you may need to duplicate some files. But again, this is how you go about the work, so if done right and clean the space difference should be negligible.
The other point regarding speed of cooked in vs. installed. I don't think things are going to get sluggish one way or the other. Again, this is in theory. In practice, cooks often mess things up when they are in there tinkering with a ROM. If I rip out AppA and make a CAB out of it and then say the CAB performs sluggishly whereas it was fine when it was cooked in...well then the CAB probably was ripped wrong!
This is very much not an science but an art (sometimes to my dismay!). And there definitely isn't alot of controlled scientific basis for alot of what floats around out here.
Again, in practice many of these issues happen, so I think dutty's points are valid...but I think they can be avoided with precision work.
EDIT: I suppose some greater space savings could be had if the cooked in apps had some sort of memory compression. Although as far as I know this doesn't exist on the Kaiser. And, even if they were saving space due to compression in the memory, that would only serve to decrease performance (higher compression = slower performance).

bengalih said:
So, in theory there is no reason why an app that is cooked into the phone would take up any less space than a .CAB. The only additional thing that the .CAB would create is a registry entry that the .CAB is installed.
In practice however, dutty may be correct. Because it is very difficult to figure out where everything is and strip it properly from a ROM. So, you might think you ripped out App1, but in reality you left a couple of extra files in the Windows directory, or a few registry keys, etc. Generally if there is a space discepancy beyond a very small amount (a couple reg entries perhaps) then the cook doing the cleaning or the person packaging the CAB probably weren't as thorough as they could be.
Another possibility is that some apps that may reside in the windows directory on a loaded ROM share some common files. If you attempt to install this via CAB to a separate directory, you may need to duplicate some files. But again, this is how you go about the work, so if done right and clean the space difference should be negligible.
The other poing regarding speed of cooked in vs. installed. I don't think things are going to get sluggish one way or the other. Again, this is in theory. In practice, cooks often mess things up when they are in there tinkering with a ROM. If I rip out AppA and make a CAB out of it and then say the CAB performs sluggishly whereas it was fine when it was cooked in...well then the CAB probably was ripped wrong!
This is very much not an science but an art (sometimes to my dismay!). And there definitely isn't alot of controlled scientific basis for alot of what floats around out here.
Again, in practice many of these issues happen, so I think dutty's points are valid...but I think they can be avoided with precision work.
EDIT: I suppose some greater space savings could be had if the cooked in apps had some sort of memory compression. Although as far as I know this doesn't exist on the Kaiser. And, even if they were saving space due to compression in the memory, that would only serve to decrease performance (higher compression = slower performance).
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can't argue with this post

mbarvian said:
Wait, I'm sorry, but it looks like you've changed the registry to NOT delete the .cab
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hi,
yes you are right .. I have done the other wy. My fault in my first post. I have changed /nodelete to /delete.
But anyway, I understood that it is not possible to delete cabs during customization.
Many thanks to all
kuzco1

[ROM] Scripted Angel 6.1.20923 by RoryB

Scripted Angel 6.1.20923 - Nekid, Neat and Nearly everything versions
I say scripted because I have removed Autorun.exe and SDAutorun.exe to make room since these run once and never again until you hard reset.
I use MortScript to run my set up. This is very similar to Noonski's XDA_UC system. I also want to thank S.V.I for getting me hooked on his work.
I also removed as many files from the \windows folder as possible. This includes moving provxml file information to the rgu file when possible. Shortcuts that just get copied from \windows to other locations have been deleted and are created by my script. This is based on the idea that the fewer files you have in \windows folder, the faster your phone runs.
Do not worry. You can still have UC. My setup MortScript parses the SDConfig.txt as if it were SDAutorun.exe with some exceptions.
It does not do LOCK, HIDE, SHOW, or RESET. I have covered CPY1/CPY2, CAB, XML, TSK, and EXEC.
Since it does not support LOCK and HIDE settings you need to move the cabs you want to allow user input to the folder \Storage Card\SDAUTO\Manual.
Remove them from your SDConfig.txt file. Also, if you have registry files you use to change settings after these "manual" cab install, just place them in the Manual folder too.
The parser first installs all cab files then reg files, then xml files, then tsk files, and lastly any exe and mscr files.
You will need to respond to some OK boxes to keep setup running. Others are timed to default to my preferred choice. These are things like do you want ASyncKiller to run on your phone? Do you want BlueTooth Notification Icon to run on your phone? etc.
If you want to try to control the sequence which each file in a group (CAB, REG, etc) installs try putting 00_, 01_, etc as the first characters in the file name.
If like me you have some cabs that you have installed to your sdcard you can do the following. I have a folder \Storage Card\SDAUTO\Zip where I place zip files of the programs files I need on the phone like the shortcuts, etc.
I also place a reg file in the folder \Storage Card\SDAUTO\Zip that sets the registry for the program.
The parser unzips all of the zip files to the root of your phone and then runs all of the reg files.
Your zip files should have the folder hierchy in them.
I also have the ability to not use SDConfig.txt for silent cab install. Place any cabs in the folder \Storage Card\SDAUTO\Silent you want installed without response required.
This parser also first installs all cab files then reg files, then xml files, then tsk files, and last any mscr files.
Some other notes.
While my script is similar to Noonski's XDA_UC, it is not the same. He is working very hard on a system that is not language or device dependent. I on the other hand have written my script for my Wizard and for WWE. My script does not support XDA_UC or XDAS files, etc.
For Mort's sake: Please do not report any errors to the MortScript Forum but to the Forum Thread of the Rom you have just Flashed. Adding other user created or your own scripts can do serious damage to your device, only use installations from a trusted or confirmed source, but the responsibility and choice to use these, is always your own. Remove your SD Card if you want to prevent other than the phone's setup.
Page Pool is what it has always been 6 MB
DO NOT ACCEPT ANY REQUESTS FOR REBOOT. Phone will automatically reboot after you pick OK on finished notice.

Nekid Angel
I took out everything I thought I could. It still has Mobile Office and it has MortScript to run my setup.
Right after flash without running my User Customization.
Storage 44.34 MB free
Program 32.16 MB free
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Nearly Everything Angel
This is very close to S.V.I's typical Angel. It has everything he has typically put in it plus MortScript to run my version of setup.
You will need to install an adobe reader program if you want to read the manual for MortScript.
Right after flash without running my User Customization.
Storage 40.83 MB free
Program 26.52 MB free
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Neat Angel
This is the Angel I use.
It has the following removed:
OperaMini
SAP Settings - lets your car's bluetooth access you SIM card
1-Calc Lite - have my own calculator
Touch Response - decided I don't like the vibration
PIM Backup - I do not use this
BT Icon - I do not use this
I added:
Adobe Reader
Transcriber
Right after flash without running my User Customization.
Storage 42.24 MB free
Program 27.41 MB free

Neat Angel in 21054 Port
I took my neat scripted Angel and ported 21054 stuff to it.
My understanding is that 21054 is the last WM6.1 version out here.
Let me know what you think.
I had to take out Transcriber, and Adobe Reader
Right after flash without my customization
Storage 42.69 MB free
Program 26.40 MB free
dotfred's task manager is called dftaskmgr.exe to make it work with the WM version.
Fixed missing MMS, I accidentally removed the package. I managed to get Adobe Reader put in. I got weather working again.
Here's the new link http://rapidshare.com/files/284946281/21054_port_Neat_Angel_nk.nbf
MediaFire http://www.mediafire.com/file/ianqzukmyym/21054_port_Neat_Angel_nk.nbf
I did not put any of the package called Browsingie in the ROM above because it is so big. I put it in this ROM http://rapidshare.com/files/284946285/Browsingie_nk.nbf, but had to remove M2D and a lot more to get it to fit.
Now the bad news. I do not know what this Browsingie ROM looks like or does different because I bricked my phone. I was trying a new CID unlock method and messed it up. I won't be able to cook any more since I cannot test to see if any of the tweaks I do work.
Here are the kitchen files http://rapidshare.com/files/284957064/Port_21054_Angel_Kitchen.rar

Updated Kitchen: Neat Angel in 21054 Port with Extended_ROM
First, I was able to buy a lab rat from eBay to continue cooking.
I fixed up my kitchen to the latest implantxip.exe version. With this I was able to tryremove the ULDR and other things that has given me more room to fit stuff into the ROM.
This is the Browsingie version. I put back Transcriber and Adobe Reader. I also fit in Voice Command and Remote Desktop.
dotfred's task manager is called dftaskmgr.exe to avoid conflict with the WM version.
I think I have avoided the Extended_ROM problem I have seen mentioned before of battery drain if you flash a new Extended ROM. The extended ROM is still locked and hidden. I am using Extended ROM to install M2D and M2DC. The nice thing about this is you can use remove programs to get rid of them if you prefer a different home screen.
I also use zip files in the Extended ROM to hold files that just got copied over to other folders. This way there are not copies in the windows directory and now there are not even the zip files.
So if you use Extended ROM to hold files they will get overwritten by this ROM.
Here's the new link http://rapidshare.com/files/346929040/091112_Port21054_Ext_ROM_Browsingie_nk.nbf

MEGA Angel with 21056 Port and using Extended_ROM
I have two versions of MEGA Angel.
Based on version 23 Manila2D RapidShare MediaFire MegaUpload
Based on version 1917 Manila2D RapidShare MediaFire MegaUpload
version 1917 Manila2D with Extendir to see if it speeds things up RapidShare MediaFire MegaUpload
This is the older version of Extendir ver1.06 with 2MB cache
They both have everything in common except the version of Manila2D.
Both have working Album and Music tabs. Sound profiles does not work in the ver 1917 settings tabs, but I added a link to the program under \programs\tools in the start menu.
Still using Extended_ROM to fit everything. Mega is big. ROM setup takes a while as a result of so many files too.
Some things I have done:
Radio is off at the start. Reduces chance of call coming in while ROM is setting up. Turns on near the end and runs Network Wizard to set up phone service.
Took out ModemLink since it is the same as InternetShare and I doubt anyone uses the infrared method in ModemLink.
Took out Network Plugin since it requires a reboot every time you change it.
Added Total Commander for its features including the ability to have LAN and FTP connections, which replaces Network Plugin.
CommManager has nice feature. Select the text and you get the settings panel for that item. Select the on/off button and you start or stop the device.
BlueTooth settings allows start up of BlueTooth FTP and has a timeout settings for the radio.
USBtoPC is set to not be the enhanced feature setting by default.
Do not reset your phone while it is setting up. When Network Wizard says it is done and to reset, select cancel. ROM setup will reboot when it is done.
If I think of anything else I'll update.

you make me wish I still had my wizard.
is it still the same OS or have you updated?

It is still the same OS. 20923
I have been avoiding the 21xxx series of ROMs since Cracing has said they have memory drain or leaking issues.
I am trying to keep the strengths of your original Angel. I have just been playing with the clean up of what is in it.

Oops
Updated links for all three versions.
I removed debugging text messages to speed up setup.

thanx!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for your work.Can I flash the rom as useal?

They are OS only nk.nbf files. You can flash your Wizard however you typically flash a nbf file to it. Since they are OS only they are G3 and G4 safe.

Nekid
Thanks RoryB.
I've always wanted the Nekid Angel. You had posted the source for it in your FFA thread. But I couldn't get it to compile. Too many errors and stuff.
Well, I will be installing the Nekid Angeld soon. I do not use any of the programs that you guys normally do. I just need a few small utils, which I have cabs to install.
So a big thank you for cleaning this up. Much appreciated.
A QQ -
Do I need to downgrade to install this? I have Final Final Angel installed.
Or can I just put it in soft IPL and load Nekid Angel?

You will be replacing the old Angel when you flash this one.
As far as downgrading is concerned. I have not done that for some time. I used to flash back to my original ROM and then flash a new one, but for me it does not seem to matter. I would say to just try flashing straight to your new ROM.

Thanks!!!
Today morning I installed Nekid Angel. I'm really loving it. Simple and fast. And allows a lot of space for what I want. Thanks a ton!!!
So far so good, no issues. Working like a charm.

SMS sent folder synch?
Guys,
I observed this in WM6.1. I've disabled threaded SMS and it does not store the SMS I sent in the sent folder. I really hate threaded SMS.
Is there a hack or way to store the sent SMS in the sent folder? I've tried a couple of things, but can not get it to work.

Hopefully someone that uses SMS/MMS can help you. Our company blocks them on our plan

Shift and symbol keys
Guys,
I'm facing problems with Shift and Caps keys on the keyboard. Is anyone else facing this problem?
Sometimes the shift key just wont work... have to press it hard or 2-3 times to get it to work. Not such a problem with Caps key.
But yes, sometimes these two keys in combination do irritate a lot when texting someone or when trying to type numbers.

My ELF might be dead but i stills got my Wizard .
Check the Forum for "MortScript HTML Manual" i'ts a bit lighter to include, but it might also be a bit outdated for some of the updates. (some prety faced Drunk posted it).

RoryB said:
Nearly Everything Angel
This is very close to S.V.I's typical Angel. It has everything he has typically put in it plus MortScript to run my version of setup.
You will need to install an adobe reader program if you want to read the manual for MortScript.
Right after flash without running my User Customization.
Storage 40.83 MB free
Program 26.52 MB free
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Works great so far. I work out of town alot and roam alot as well...will post when i return how that all has worked for me. Lotsa room for the system to work. very little hesitation. Will keep you posted....Thanks

screenshots anyone ?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=201368&d=1246567845
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=189290&d=1243429966
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=189291&d=1243429966
Same as original Angel, but I removed Autorun and SDAutorun and use a mortscript ot parse the config and sdconfig files. Gains a (very) little more room in memory.