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Comparing MB ROM and Faria's New ROM

Can anyone compare these 2 ROMs?
I am not sure if this thread was necessary, but i am pretty sure there are others out there just like me, who are very picky or maybe i should say very confiused about upgrading every other week, installing everything all over again and once everything is perfect and stable, doing everything all over again because there is a new ROM cooked..
Much Respect to Faria and Other ROM cookers out there.. I dont mean to disrespect to your great work.. I just want to know if we should wait, or go with the new ROM.. I am pretty sure you great cookers will come up with new ROMs..
Thank you and once again, dont mean to disrespect.. Just curious..

newyorker said:
Can anyone compare these 2 ROMs?
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If the MB works fine for you, you don't need to upgrade to another ROM. The Faria's ROM was release for less than 12 hours, people need more times to install programs and check out all of the pro and con.
MB was based on the beta WM6 ROM.
Faria was a new possibly real/final ROM according to him.
Backup your programs using any good backup programs and try the new ROM. If you don't like Faria's ROM, reload the MB ROM and run your backup, it will take less than 15 minutes. Only you can tell if it's good for you or not.

mtvn said:
If the MB works fine for you, you don't need to upgrade to another ROM. The Faria's ROM was release for less than 12 hours, people need more times to install programs and check out all of the pro and con.
MB was based on the beta WM6 ROM.
Faria was a new possibly real/final ROM according to him.
Backup your programs using any good backup programs and try the new ROM. If you don't like Faria's ROM, reload the MB ROM and run your backup, it will take less than 15 minutes. Only you can tell if it's good for you or not.
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good point

Just looking at the listing of whats in that ROM, it looks bloated. I like the cleanness of the MB rom. Ill wait for him to release the vanilla rom before trying it out. I perfer to choose my own apps to load. most of that other stuff i rarely use, why waste the ram and flash space for it.
Faria makes good ROMs. I just perfer mine to be clean, so i can make my own choices.

d0ug said:
Faria makes good ROMs. I just perfer mine to be clean, so i can make my own choices.
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If you don't like waiting, just unpack it and remove them yourself. It's very easy using the guide in Molksi's website

mtvn said:
If you don't like waiting, just unpack it and remove them yourself. It's very easy using the guide in Molksi's website
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That is something I would like to try doing one of these days. I just havent had the free time.
That will be my next step, trying to make my own custom ROMs.

Yes, I was am waiting as well to see the "vanilla" version of his rom so it doesn't have all those extra programs that I don't use anyway. I don't like that he stripped pieces from the rom either (like VOIP even though it's not working.... yet)

My MB Edition works so good for me now I will wait til all the bugs are worked out and patches posted before I try Faria's latest.

trojan9x said:
Yes, I was am waiting as well to see the "vanilla" version of his rom so it doesn't have all those extra programs that I don't use anyway. I don't like that he stripped pieces from the rom either (like VOIP even though it's not working.... yet)
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or you could simple do your own! as for voip it does not work because ther is no service for it plus the app is imcomplete in all wm6 roms ..so whats the point of having it?

I don't think it's incomplete... well, not totally.. I believe we just need to figure out what will trigger the menu options for it. Well, no one knew the VOIP button was in the comm manager until I tried to add it just for the hell of it. I am sure there are lots to be discovered about it if we had enough people trying things.

trojan9x said:
I don't think it's incomplete... well, not totally.. I believe we just need to figure out what will trigger the menu options for it. Well, no one knew the VOIP button was in the comm manager until I tried to add it just for the hell of it. I am sure there are lots to be discovered about it if we had enough people trying things.
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it is incomplete I'm told and like i said there is no services that supports as yet....
the gurus been at it for ages and this are their conclusions 9at the moment],i Even supplied missing files from Roms that i have, this is supposed to work in future with some carriers.....but if you can make it work then you will be remembered for ieternity . all thought i have a new crossbow rom to test it may be working. for me skype does the job.

faria said:
all thought i have a new crossbow rom to test it may be working. for me skype does the job.
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Thanks for your input. I am assuming your rom is straight from HTC or from someone you know at HTC? Is this "new" rom different from the one you uploaded yesterday that you had for a year? What is the date on it?

trojan9x said:
Thanks for your input. I am assuming your rom is straight from HTC or from someone you know at HTC? Is this "new" rom different from the one you uploaded yesterday that you had for a year? What is the date on it?
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im afraid,i cant say no more...sorry...
but i cant tell you this....when i release a project that means i allredy got the next one halfway done or finished.

ok, will you at least say if this next "newer" version will be for (or was specifically designed for) the wizard?

As ive read too many bugs for me
Hello m8s. I rather wait for a more stable version. It look like that latest ROM is packed a with a new set of bugs. (No offense faria).
When is the release of the actual WM6??

charly_mx said:
Hello m8s. I rather wait for a more stable version. It look like that latest ROM is packed a with a new set of bugs. (No offense faria).
When is the release of the actual WM6??
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no one knows what the actual release will be. Still haveto wait and see which manufacturers will be giving it out.

charly_mx said:
Hello m8s. I rather wait for a more stable version. It look like that latest ROM is packed a with a new set of bugs. (No offense faria).
When is the release of the actual WM6??
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none taken...
and what bugs are these..? i mean real bugs exactly?
and another wend was the lat time you loaded a rom that perform how is suppose to? truly. custom or official?
i myself call it undocumented features.....

faria said:
none taken...
and what bugs are these..? i mean real bugs exactly?
and another wend was the lat time you loaded a rom that perform how is suppose to? truly. custom or official?
i myself call it undocumented features.....
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One bug - When the Wizard is in Standby mode and set to vibrate, it does not vibrate on new e-mails received. It worked correctly in the 2.26 ROM I was using previously, but didn't work in the 1.18 ROM that was on the device when I first got it. Looks like the behavior is back to the way it was in the early WM5 ROMs. I get the feeling this is deeper than just a tweak to the registry, but would happily be corrected.
As for the "feature" aspect, I think Microsoft refers to them as "opportunities for developers".
-Pete

trojan9x said:
ok, will you at least say if this next "newer" version will be for (or was specifically designed for) the wizard?
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Faria??????

paschott said:
One bug - When the Wizard is in Standby mode and set to vibrate, it does not vibrate on new e-mails received. It worked correctly in the 2.26 ROM I was using previously, but didn't work in the 1.18 ROM that was on the device when I first got it. Looks like the behavior is back to the way it was in the early WM5 ROMs. I get the feeling this is deeper than just a tweak to the registry, but would happily be corrected.
As for the "feature" aspect, I think Microsoft refers to them as "opportunities for developers".
-Pete
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wrong... you comparing 2 totaly diferent roms... and again this is in all crossbow roms...so how do you call it a bug in my rom?
i fact this thread should not exist because there is no other roms that can be compared to?
if you people want to compare o slag anyones work at least make sure that the 2 roms have the same core, dont you think?

Have we reached the limits for our Wizards?

It looks like we've reached our limits with our Wizards when it comes to custom roms... Since the roms are limited to pretty much freeware only there is only so much that can be done to a rom before it is released and it doesn't look to me like there is a whole lot more that can be done...
I have looked at and tested 3 different roms in the last 3 days:
TNT5.0
BlackDiamond 2.0
octaivoi's wizard 4.8
Except for small, minor, subtle differences that aren't really noticible unless you're looking for them like settings and tweaks and what not, these 3 roms are almost exactly the same performance, appearance, and software wise...
Does anybody else see this?

AGREED for sure, once all the bugs and problems are sorted out there really isnt much to go for...until windows mobile 7.0 comes out...

noob240 said:
AGREED for sure, once all the bugs and problems are sorted out there really isnt much to go for...until windows mobile 7.0 comes out...
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Haha I hear that. I hope it comes out sooner than later but I'm not so sure it could really be that much different than WM5 or WM6 since WM6 wasn't really that different from WM5 anyway other than software updates and a few new settings...
I think that WM7 should be ground breaking... Totally different from anything already out there. If WM7 is nothing more than WM6 with minor software updates, then I will be very dissapointed... They need to do something totally out there and innovative, like a new interface and different setup. The only real problem is WM6 was made at relatively the same time as WM5 so once base roms were leaked, people all over started building their own versions of it.
Since WM7 is still a year away from being released, it might be hard to find a WM7 base rom that is compatible with the Wizard and operate on the limited system specs of the Wizard...
Thats just my opinion.

"Since WM7 is still a year away from being released, it might be hard to find a WM7 base rom that is compatible with the Wizard and operate on the limited system specs of the Wizard... "
so there is a wm7...hmmm... knowing ms...it will be tweaks and more vista like...ai ai ai... a better browser..maybe deepfish, see thru windows... but by then the wizard wont be able to use it due to its processor... there will be a ghz processor... they should really drop the whole windows mobile experience altogether imho... do something totally new... our cookers are better tweakers than what ms has... ..
i will try the tnt new one coming out...looks promising with all the issues about missed calls and what not... then just wait for more..i guess..

noob240 said:
"Since WM7 is still a year away from being released, it might be hard to find a WM7 base rom that is compatible with the Wizard and operate on the limited system specs of the Wizard... "
so there is a wm7...hmmm... knowing ms...it will be tweaks and more vista like...ai ai ai... a better browser..maybe deepfish, see thru windows... but by then the wizard wont be able to use it due to its processor... there will be a ghz processor... they should really drop the whole windows mobile experience altogether imho... do something totally new... our cookers are better tweakers than what ms has... ..
i will try the tnt new one coming out...looks promising with all the issues about missed calls and what not... then just wait for more..i guess..
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Yes the new WM7 is actually Windows Mobile Photon based on Windows Mobile 6.0 Professional and is supposedly supposed to work on all devices according to a leak from MS but I doubt it...
If you want to try TNT5.0, you should give this version a try. It's my personally modified version to have custom splash screens and 2.19 radio plus a 12mb page pool. http://www.filefactory.com/file/ee7e74/

Consider this
Before Touch Flow arrived, some people had the same thoughts as you, "have we reached the limit". Then Touch Flow arrived and we had a large burst of new stuff for the wizard.
You say: Ok, Calouro, what's your point, I don't even like Touch Flow.
Well, it doesn’t really matter if you like touch flow or not, the point is, when a new PPC comes out with a new look or new applications, we hare at XDA get excited and we grab them and make it work on a now aging device.
You say: ok, ok, I see your point Calouro, but really, your talking about just looks and applications, how about stability and performance.
Well, I'm glad you asked. You see, WM5 is the last official ROM for the Wizard. The reason you have WM6 running is due to the dedicated and talented people from all over the word, combining knowledge and experience (most of the time with out pay) to make something work on a device that it was not designed to work on.
You say: Ok, your point Calouro
Ok, I'm getting there. You see, when WM6 first came to the Wizard, it was very unstable. Well, that was a while ago, now we have an almost 100% stable, high performance (usually higher then WM5) WM6 ROM. Now, we still a few issues to resolve on WM6 don't get me wrong. However, we are moving forward with each ROM release.
You say: I understand what your saying Calouro, but show me proof
Well, here is the proof, every WM6 ROM had missed call issues since first introduced to the Wizard. A few talented XDA members looked into this and discovered that with a simple reg tweak the issue is fixed on one particular ROM build. So, now we can take that knowledge and try to get the issue fixed on all ROM builds. Furthermore, there is another issue with the vibrate function after you command the device out of vibrate. This appears to be fixed on the latest ROM release here.
You say: Ok, Calouro, so we are fixing bugs. Great, what else?
Well, as we get WM6 100% stable, which by the way, has only just been released to the public on newer devices, we will continue to grab cool applications from other devices to keep our Wizards at the top. I can’t afford to buy a new PPC every time a new one comes out with a new OS.
You say: Great! Anything else Calouro? Are you done yet?
Almost! When WM7 comes out, most people will say it can't be run on a Wizard, others will say the Wizard has reached its limit. I disagree, some very talented XDA member will grab it, dissect it and trim it down. Then put it all back together and make in run on a Wizard.

words of wisdom !

regardless of wm7, i doubt the members of rom flashers anonymous are gonna stop flashing 5 times a day hack it, its just fun. we're always going to look for the best release... there's no end to improvement...

calouro said:
Before Touch Flow arrived, some people had the same thoughts as you, "have we reached the limit". Then Touch Flow arrived and we had a large burst of new stuff for the wizard.
You say: Ok, Calouro, what's your point, I don't even like Touch Flow.
Well, it doesn’t really matter if you like touch flow or not, the point is, when a new PPC comes out with a new look or new applications, we hare at XDA get excited and we grab them and make it work on a now aging device.
You say: ok, ok, I see your point Calouro, but really, your talking about just looks and applications, how about stability and performance.
Well, I'm glad you asked. You see, WM5 is the last official ROM for the Wizard. The reason you have WM6 running is due to the dedicated and talented people from all over the word, combining knowledge and experience (most of the time with out pay) to make something work on a device that it was not designed to work on.
You say: Ok, your point Calouro
Ok, I'm getting there. You see, when WM6 first came to the Wizard, it was very unstable. Well, that was a while ago, now we have an almost 100% stable, high performance (usually higher then WM5) WM6 ROM. Now, we still a few issues to resolve on WM6 don't get me wrong. However, we are moving forward with each ROM release.
You say: I understand what your saying Calouro, but show me proof
Well, here is the proof, every WM6 ROM had missed call issues since first introduced to the Wizard. A few talented XDA members looked into this and discovered that with a simple reg tweak the issue is fixed on one particular ROM build. So, now we can take that knowledge and try to get the issue fixed on all ROM builds. Furthermore, there is another issue with the vibrate function after you command the device out of vibrate. This appears to be fixed on the latest ROM release here.
You say: Ok, Calouro, so we are fixing bugs. Great, what else?
Well, as we get WM6 100% stable, which by the way, has only just been released to the public on newer devices, we will continue to grab cool applications from other devices to keep our Wizards at the top. I can’t afford to buy a new PPC every time a new one comes out with a new OS.
You say: Great! Anything else Calouro? Are you done yet?
Almost! When WM7 comes out, most people will say it can't be run on a Wizard, others will say the Wizard has reached its limit. I disagree, some very talented XDA member will grab it, trim it down and dissect it. Then put it all back together and make in run on a Wizard.
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Lol. Nicely put. Very true too...

I was going to buy a new HTC. then i upgraded to TNO WM6 rom. and its alot faster. And i dont see any significant reason to upgrade to a new phone.

well for expectators like me, i thank the guru's of this site, for a job very well done, and for future jobs as well, and calouro just placed the period on this thread. long live the wizard

i dont about you guys but crossbow was/is fun as hell to chop up & stir fry
WM7 (Photon) will only be a new toy come Christmas 08 (maybe eariler but im betting on Q4 08)

thunda_chunky said:
i dont about you guys but crossbow was/is fun as hell to chop up & stir fry
WM7 (Photon) will only be a new toy come Christmas 08 (maybe eariler but im betting on Q4 08)
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with wm7, i bet it will support html email for exchange 2003! hopefully there will be something to support the smart in smartphone

All True
calouro said:
Before Touch Flow arrived, some people had the same thoughts as you, "have we reached the limit". Then Touch Flow arrived and we had a large burst of new stuff for the wizard.
You say: Ok, Calouro, what's your point, I don't even like Touch Flow.
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Almost! When WM7 comes out, most people will say it can't be run on a Wizard, others will say the Wizard has reached its limit. I disagree, some very talented XDA member will grab it, dissect it and trim it down. Then put it all back together and make in run on a Wizard.
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Wanted to add this.
Not so much just for fun. You call your service provider they will not support the new rom. They will not even offer it at all ( they want your money).
Two of my friend got inspired with what all I can do with my Wizard they bought new ones. The default ROM was too slow that the device was almost useless.
Our modified ROMs atleast help them to use the phone ( ROI). One can by iPhone and let Steve choose what all you can do with that $800 investment.

Dont know if any of you remember but Microsoft is working on those live enabled phones. Trying to establish that Live Anywhere concept theyve been starting up.

Im waiting for WM6.1
Opps, should I have mentioned that?
Yes apparently MS are about to release 6.1 next month.
It is supposed to be a completely new file structre (or so I'm told)
We will see

I will buy a new one two, the speed of Wizzard is somewhat intolerable

for me, it didn't reach the limits.

wizards
ellow
my first phone was a wizard , after that an universal and an elf but i bought a wizard once again because it is the most updated and popular device to hack here on xda, i dont do this to get a better device but it is my hobby.
everytime there is a minor little update i will dll and install it
about wm7 :
did anyone noticed that the speed of devices like the wizard did not improve very much (except universal , but came with the price), althoug my wizard boots up a lot faster. I dont think that we cannot run it on a wizard , maybe with a adjusted version of it
i love my wizard and i hope that all the people (dr dot, etc) will keep on upgrading the roms
PS : thnx to all the xda developers
greets
grey

I couldn.t agree with you more. I also do this just to kep busy.I have a Hermes and I use my wizard as my main phone. I going to buy a Kaiser, i just hope it lives up to it's reputation??
Im waiting for WM6.1
I think that is active sync 6.1 as I think it is still in beta.

Argghhhhhh :( :( :(

I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
The problem is now in 2 parts.
The first: I cant keep myself from trying new roms, even if it is hardly any different from what i already have!
The second: I dont remember which was the rom that ran perfectly!
Now i'm soooo screwed, the last couple roms i've tried is such a nightmare to use
It leaks memory like crazy, gets real sluggish, completely comes crashing down. It crashes a billion times, the radio loses connectivity and i have to restart to get it to work again.....arghhhhh!
IF ONLY i was content with what was working and let it be.....damnit!
Now, I got to find some of the older roms and test them out again :-/
Rant complete.
San

dreamtheater39 said:
I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
The problem is now in 2 parts.
The first: I cant keep myself from trying new roms, even if it is hardly any different from what i already have!
The second: I dont remember which was the rom that ran perfectly!
Now i'm soooo screwed, the last couple roms i've tried is such a nightmare to use
It leaks memory like crazy, gets real sluggish, completely comes crashing down. It crashes a billion times, the radio loses connectivity and i have to restart to get it to work again.....arghhhhh!
IF ONLY i was content with what was working and let it be.....damnit!
Now, I got to find some of the older roms and test them out again :-/
Rant complete.
San
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LoL
If you were happy and content with what you had, you wouldn't be here mate, you'd still be using Wm5 LMAO.
Happy hunting, I do believe you were using NNCuongs at some point recently..............
Cheers,
Beasty

dreamtheater39 said:
I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
The problem is now in 2 parts.
The first: I cant keep myself from trying new roms, even if it is hardly any different from what i already have!
The second: I dont remember which was the rom that ran perfectly!
Rant complete.
San
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Hi San,
Imagine, using Universal just as a phone.
But, no.................
It has to be better than:
Desktop PC
Portable PC
GSM
Phone
PDA
Surf the net
Connect to whatever
Remind to be sub-servant to the other (better) half
.........
So, the never ending quest continues ......
Hey mate, remember we are talking about Universal......
Best Regards,
KOR!

dreamtheater39 said:
I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
I cant keep myself from trying new roms, even if it is hardly any different from what i already have!
San
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Hi San,
Or it could be sheer boredom or you are in love with your Universal!
I WANT A NEW DRUG
I want a new drug
One that wont make me sick
One that wont make me crash my car
Or make me feel three feet thick
I want a new drug
One that wont hurt my head
One that wont make my mouth too dry
Or make my eyes too red
One that wont make me nervous
Wondering what to do
One that makes me feel like I feel when Im with you
When Im alone with you
I want a new drug
One that wont spill
One that dont cost too much
Or come in a pill
I want a new drug
One that wont go away
One that wont keep me up all night
One that wont make me sleep all day
One that wont make me nervous
Wondering what to do
One that makes me feel like I feel when Im with you
When Im alone with you
Im alone with you baby
I want a new drug
One that does what it should
One that wont make me feel too bad
One that wont make me feel too good
I want a new drug
One with no doubt
One that wont make me talk too much
Or make my face break out
One that wont make me nervous
Wondering what to do
One that makes me feel like I feel when Im with you
When Im alone with you
I am in love with you
I am in love with you, baby!
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Cheers mate,
KOR!

Possible solution.
Right click your rom downloads and go to properties to check the creation date, hopefully this will jog your memory. The gap in dates should hopefully give you a clue.

dreamtheater39 said:
I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
Rant complete.
San
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San, you must be dreaming or you logged in on the wrong forum!
Aren't most of us here love flashing ROM's not because we're looking for the perfect one but because we get high by trying the latest one and posting something like this: "a perfect ROM, extremely fast & stable BUT, ......"
There was never a perfect device or ROM for us, but let me give you a clue.
Which ROM is highly customizable, boots up with 29Mb free RAM even with HTC Home plug-in installed, able to retain 24Mb of free RAM after heavy use, seldom crashes, supports 128Mb RAM, perfectly usable by doing away with progs & tools you don't use anyway? Beat that!
Your guess is good as mine!
Do you mean you're going back to the Best WM5 ROM you ever had? The Darkforces Team ROM!

i have tried many and the one i felt in lovewith was NNcoung ROM. Its fast, stable, no memory leaks, 31+ of ram after reset, flash disk (the best of all since you can install all the apps you want here with no side effects) and vanilla so you can install whatever you want. try it you will see that is the best ROM for universal EVER.

dreamtheater39 said:
I HAD a perfectly running rom a couple weeks back, was flawless, no crashes, no leaks....perfectly usable.
The problem is now in 2 parts.
The first: I cant keep myself from trying new roms, even if it is hardly any different from what i already have!
The second: I dont remember which was the rom that ran perfectly!
Now i'm soooo screwed, the last couple roms i've tried is such a nightmare to use
It leaks memory like crazy, gets real sluggish, completely comes crashing down. It crashes a billion times, the radio loses connectivity and i have to restart to get it to work again.....arghhhhh!
IF ONLY i was content with what was working and let it be.....damnit!
Now, I got to find some of the older roms and test them out again :-/
Rant complete.
San
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Hi,
Have you used Mtty to format/clean your memory ? (sometimes it helps)
And indeed I should try Nncuong's rom.
Greetings,
Wout

wow wow wow!! So many replies, dont know which one to respond to ;o)))
I'm guessing all the 18538 based roms dont seem to be stable on my device setup. It was one of the earlier builds which worked good for me. The 18538 roms always bombed up on me and i kept reverting back to one of the older roms which was flawless. The problem is, I changed my laptop and i dont have the nk.nbf file which i had with me . So i'm waiting for the coming weekend to start the hunt all over again
Until then, i got to live with this fubar'ed POS :-/ Really gets on to your nerves when it crashes over 30 times a day (not exagerating...all i need to do is, be on a call and try and push a button, and the call's frozen. I cant disconnect the call, the END or disconnect hardware buttons all dont respond)
I guess i'll just jump to beastyleo's rom, only thing that doesnt work is a2dp for me, which is much better than this crash-fest, roach motel rom that i'm currently running on!
Cheers,
San

If you have a G3 device try this: http://www.sym-viet.com/nncuong/UNI_2_11_11_G3.rar
the only rom i saw without memory leak. Havent tried beastyleo's tho.
A2DP is really good, it freezes device but just press play button on your headset to unfreeze happens once per day avg.

I only can say................ we made big progress today
And update is comming soon to your way......................
Skwyk said:
If you have a G3 device try this: http://www.sym-viet.com/nncuong/UNI_2_11_11_G3.rar
the only rom i saw without memory leak. Havent tried beastyleo's tho.
A2DP is really good, it freezes device but just press play button on your headset to unfreeze happens once per day avg.
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Universal Is A Useless Device!
Basically, Universal Is A Useless Device!
And, my friends and my relatives think that I have a big head
WHY?​
The basic function of the Universal is Phone. As a Phone it is a useless device even with Windows Mobile 5. It is slow, eats up batteries, has crashes and so forth.
It is very bulky, always has to be carried in the hands. With a belt clip it is immense. It is impossible to use while driving. And, even the voice command is useless as it gets the number wrong most of the time.
So, welcome to Windows Mobile 6, which is not supported by HTC for Universal. It is the same story with Windows Mobile 6 and we are constantly re-flashing as it is full of bugs.
My friends and my relatives tell me that I have a big head, as they call me and that I never return their missed calls. I have painfully explained them about Universal.
So, they say buy a new phone. I tell them that I bought by Xda Exec in the first part of this year!
So, buy a new phone if you want to be in touch with your friends and your relatives. What I do!
I go in July of this year and buy Jasjar. Another Universal!
When I bought it, I told my self that I will only use it for Phone!
Now I own two Universals, several standard and large batteries. Two sim cards and several cases. Lots of different mono and stereo bluetooth and so forth!
Now I am constantly flashing both of my Universal. My friends and relatives still complain about the miss calls. So, now I am thinking to buy a small HTC Phone for just only Phone purposes.
But, I am also thinking to upgrade both of my Universal to 128MB.
I guess, I have to prioritize????
Any betting man or woman out there!
KOR!

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The second: I dont remember which was the rom that ran perfectly!
Now i'm soooo screwed, the last couple roms i've tried is such a nightmare to use
It leaks memory like crazy, gets real sluggish, completely comes crashing down. It crashes a billion times, the radio loses connectivity and i have to restart to get it to work again.....arghhhhh!
San
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Hi San,
Have a look at the following thread, your troubles might be related to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351578
KOR!

well, i never used any rom with the home plugin, nor did i install it
I was using mo3ulla's rom....or one of the roms which started with russian as the default language, and i had to change it in regional settings...
cheers,
San

dreamtheater39 said:
well, i never used any rom with the home plugin, nor did i install it
I was using mo3ulla's rom....or one of the roms which started with russian as the default language, and i had to change it in regional settings...
cheers,
San
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Hi San,
It looks like we are both having the same problems with our uni.
You noticed that it could have something to do with ours being one of the earlier production models ?
FYI i'm now running build 18533.0.7.1 by Nncuong with radio 1.17.
And this is now running without any softresets for 48 hours, which is a new record for my *&@#% uni.
But I still love the thing, It's a hate/love relation
Could you let me know which roms run stable on your uni ?
And do you also sometimes find that it looks stable but after 8 or so hours it seems like the thing is "deteriorating" needing softresets increasingly more often ?
greetings,
Wout
(and also important, after 11 hours battery still at 89%, with light usage of phone )

wout said:
Hi San,
It looks like we are both having the same problems with our uni.
You noticed that it could have something to do with ours being one of the earlier production models ?
FYI i'm now running build 18533.0.7.1 by Nncuong with radio 1.17.
And this is now running without any softresets for 48 hours, which is a new record for my *&@#% uni.
But I still love the thing, It's a hate/love relation
Could you let me know which roms run stable on your uni ?
And do you also sometimes find that it looks stable but after 8 or so hours it seems like the thing is "deteriorating" needing softresets increasingly more often ?
greetings,
Wout
(and also important, after 11 hours battery still at 89%, with light usage of phone )
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Woww!!! Looks like you're speaking through my brain m8!!!
Especially the pseudo short-lived happiness with the new roms (18538 roms!) until all hell breaks loose!
As i've noticed, the nncuong roms, the darkforce (earlier) roms worked great for me. Right now, i've flashed thingonaspring's 3.2 rom, hoping this baby will hold up....lets see how it goes!
The mo3ulla rom (confirmed) was a nightmare on my device setup. Was the worst of the lot, mainly because of a serious memory leak problem. Harldy any time, and it drops to a skimpy 3meg free ram status with nothing running!
Was way too crappy to be used for anything at all, flashed over thingonaspring's rom (its a 18533 rom), i'm wishing this one would work fine for me....will post in and let you know how it fares...
cheers,
San

hahaha,
If i'm right your device won't like thingy's 3.2 (it was a softreset fest on mine)
let me know will you ?
greetings,
Wout

wout said:
hahaha,
If i'm right your device won't like thingy's 3.2 (it was a softreset fest on mine)
let me know will you ?
greetings,
Wout
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oh gawdddd ((( thingy's rom is no good on my device
What rom r u currently running and how good is it???? I guess i need to replicate ur setup!
The last stable rom i can think of is Darkforce's rom, and i dont seem to find it on the forums....do u have a download link???
cheers
San

addiction
Flashing of Different ROM's is an addiction dangerous than grug adduction....
I don't know now how many times I have flashed my Universal..Thre is no end to it. Our Developer friends always come with the new ideas and we follow them...........What is the result? everyone knows better.

dreamtheater39 said:
well, i never used any rom with the home plugin, nor did i install it
I was using mo3ulla's rom....or one of the roms which started with russian as the default language, and i had to change it in regional settings...
cheers,
San
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Hi San,
So simple and I kept rambling on and on.
Ramblin’ Man
Lord I was born a ramblin’ man
Tryin to make a livin and doin’ the best I can
When it’s time for leavin I hope you’ll understand
That I was born a rambling man
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Hint: My signature contains two of the best ROMs ever!
Best Regards,
KOR!

UPDATED: Would you like to see a cooked build of the new 19202?

I have been adding/deleting features and programs in the new 19202 build that NoThrills has so graciously released to us.
Due to it kaiser designed base, giving it amazing speed(even in complete stock form), I was curious as to how many people would like a cooked version released, with some bug fixes, registry tweaks, and also some added utilities.
If you would like this, please respond letting me know what you would like to see in this release. I have already cooked several versions for my own person use, and modified it for my own use.
Just let me know what everyone would like to see, and ill try my best to release a few builds to accommodate the majority.
First Release of my Hybrid OS 5.2.19202 (Build 19209) can be found here after I upload: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2069244#post2069244

Yes please!
I'd love to see the basic ROM with bug fixes and generic updates to the HTC progs. To many ROMs get stuffed with extraneous crap that isn't useful.
Cook away brother, as I'd enjoy the sampling.

I do not think this is a good build to cook from unless you feel like spending lots of time in the kitchen fixing MS screw ups! Has anyone noticed the screen tearing from the new .dlls? plus there are a few other things I won't mention since most of you haven't played with roms that long to understand what I am talking about.

What specifics would you like to see?
Such as apps to be added/removed
What bugs do you think should have priority?
etc, etc...

uDK just released a version...

I'd like to see a "If HTC could be bothered to put all the fixes and S/W updates in all one ROM, This is how it would look ROM"
Camera Fix
Camera Album
Comm Manager
Video Dialer
Calculator
Little fixes like backlight going out on call.
Removing of the useless Windows Update.
But most Important its clean!!! Fresh...
UC compliant for all us to enjoy the phone our way...
I like flashing other peoples work... But thats their work... The way they want the phone... Yes they add little bits and take bits out on request sometimes... But how nice would it be to have our own way...
Argh 1st post other than just a thanks so I babbled and lost my self...

Thanks for your suggestions. I am working on these fixes as I type.
So far I have completed this:
- Working Video Dialer
- Comm Manager(6 Button)
- Latest HTC Album
- Camera Fix(Latest which i have seen)... PLEASE post the cab that contains which fix you are speaking of.
- Calculator
- GPS Test
- Office and OneNote has been removed in the lite version
- Welcome Center removed
- HSDPA Icon added
- HTC Plus added(disabled by default)
- HTC Home updated(now with tab under today settings)
- And more!

all the latest htc apps.....audio manager,home,album etc.....plus total comander is a must...thanks

austinsnyc said:
I do not think this is a good build to cook from unless you feel like spending lots of time in the kitchen fixing MS screw ups! Has anyone noticed the screen tearing from the new .dlls? plus there are a few other things I won't mention since most of you haven't played with roms that long to understand what I am talking about.
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because your soooooo cool.
why not just rls ur own build? you did great work with the first kaiser rom.. continue austin..

why not release it? because it takes more time than it should to turn these WM6.1 pigs into something worth having on my phone I have worked many roms and this is fast yes I'll agree but it also has some major bugs simply follow the release thread and you will see. plus this build isn't released from MS it has been modded in some little ways which are fine with me since that's what needed to be done so as we wouldn't know where it came from.

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plus this build isn't released from MS it has been modded in some little ways which are fine with me since that's what needed to be done so as we wouldn't know where it came from.
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Exactly. For some reason we are unable to get the "Shipped ROM" per say. The non-cooked version.
...the fact that this thread header is asking what we would like in a cooked build, is actually false. The only 5.2.19202 we have is a cooked build. I would like to a see a non-cooked build

im running dk's 3.14 and jesus its the fastest 6.1 rom ive ran to date.. ok well whenever u decide to mod ur own 3.14 rls will u post it? lol

cuboosh said:
im running dk's 3.14 and jesus its the fastest 6.1 rom ive ran to date.. ok well whenever u decide to mod ur own 3.14 rls will u post it? lol
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Oh no...I don't cook. I can't handle the heat so I stay out of the kitchen. I leave to the professionals.

IGO2008
YES, I wont this new ROM
Please check to work with igo2008, now I mast reset device to start igo this is not good.

AllTheWay said:
Oh no...I don't cook. I can't handle the heat so I stay out of the kitchen. I leave to the professionals.
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noo.. i was refering to austinsync lol

htc large start menu that works......working tcmp if possible? better looking icons and system folders(u know mulitmedia ,system tools etc.)

cuboosh said:
im running dk's 3.14 and jesus its the fastest 6.1 rom ive ran to date.. ok well whenever u decide to mod ur own 3.14 rls will u post it? lol
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yes I will release it. im already running a version that I've already modded for my own personal needs. I just am trying to see what will the majority of users would like to see

Script said:
yes I will release it. im already running a version that I've already modded for my own personal needs. I just am trying to see what will the majority of users would like to see
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Can you add a skype fix to your bug list please.

AllTheWay said:
Exactly. For some reason we are unable to get the "Shipped ROM" per say. The non-cooked version.
...the fact that this thread header is asking what we would like in a cooked build, is actually false. The only 5.2.19202 we have is a cooked build. I would like to a see a non-cooked build
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Well, I'm not a professional cook. But I flashed about every ROM that was ever out here, both on my Hermes and my Kaiser.
And despite of your reactions, AllTheWay and Austinsnyc, I really really dig this ROM. Never had a faster and snappier ROM before (even not Dutty's), no single freeze for 4 days, never needed to softreset.
I don't use voicecommander, but I dó use bluetooth (carkit, external phone), GPRS, HSDPA, phone, TomTom, Navigon, PointUI, PZPTools, etc. It all works great!
Yes, there are some problems reported, but aren't they also with Dutty's, Schaps, Alex's?
And yes, it may be a cooked ROM, but for me it's really worth further developing...

austinsnyc said:
I do not think this is a good build to cook from unless you feel like spending lots of time in the kitchen fixing MS screw ups! Has anyone noticed the screen tearing from the new .dlls? plus there are a few other things I won't mention since most of you haven't played with roms that long to understand what I am talking about.
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More like because you are incompetent...
austinsnyc said:
why not release it? because it takes more time than it should to turn these WM6.1 pigs into something worth having on my phone I have worked many roms and this is fast yes I'll agree but it also has some major bugs simply follow the release thread and you will see. plus this build isn't released from MS it has been modded in some little ways which are fine with me since that's what needed to be done so as we wouldn't know where it came from.
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Or is it because all of your past releases for any device failed?
AllTheWay said:
Exactly. For some reason we are unable to get the "Shipped ROM" per say. The non-cooked version.
...the fact that this thread header is asking what we would like in a cooked build, is actually false. The only 5.2.19202 we have is a cooked build. I would like to a see a non-cooked build
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Never going to happen until a carrier is going to release it, so why even bring it up?

What ROM do you recommend?

I have tried Timolol's WM6.5 and...I forgot the other...and this one was good for awhile but it's getting insanely buggy.
If you like the ROM you're on, and have been on it for a bit, then point me in the direction. I'd really like to use 6.5 but if I can't find a stable one, then I'll have to revert back to 6.1
Thanks

Energy Roms

DaG's WM6.5 21518 Clean ROM without MSVC is working very well for me.

Learn how to use UC and proper backup tools and then you can flash away and try as many roms as you want!
This is such an open ended question because many people have personal preference.
with that said. I would recommend NRG's EnergyROM, very stable 6.5, been using the june 30th version with a couple minor cosmetic issues, which i do not even remember what they are.

EnergyROM works also great and stable for me.

My experience was different from most those posting here. I found the 6.5's buggy. Third party calendar programs are particularly problematic (reoccuring events not even showing, to name one problem). I wanted to like the EnergyROM's... really I did... but alas, I went back to 6.1. So far, I'm experiencing stability with NATF v4.7 and liking it. I won't go back to the stock ROM.

fuze2011 said:
I have tried Timolol's WM6.5 and...I forgot the other...and this one was good for awhile but it's getting insanely buggy.
If you like the ROM you're on, and have been on it for a bit, then point me in the direction. I'd really like to use 6.5 but if I can't find a stable one, then I'll have to revert back to 6.1
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Hi, have used PROven_ROM_2.4_WWE_Manila_TP (it's WM6.1) - very good,stable and fast.
Then got Energy 3.0 50409a MSVC Raph (wM6.5) and I'm absolutely happy with it. Didn't encountered any problem so far, NRG28 does his ROM's in top level-very professional!

If you want a clean ROM with very little battery usage go with RRE's or Da_G's for absolutely stock. NRG's uses way too much battery, I enjoy charging once every 2-3 days rather than once a day but to each his own..

The most stable and bug free ROM is the latest HTC official ROM. As Da_G said in other thread, there are serious issues in 6.5, so there is no such thing as stable 6.5 ROM - eventually you will face with unnacceptable bugs, like some of XDA members did...

Like what? I don't see many if any bugs that hinder my day to day activities in 6.5, it runs smoother, it's sleeker and unreleased to the public giving it that extra "shimmer", and the built in scrolling effects are just amazing.
What bugs are you speaking of??

WHAT???
pilgrim011- There is a bug free version of WM?
When did that happen?
I too like the energyroms.
I put my crap battery life down to not having found a decent UK T-mob radio yet rather than the rom

X2D said:
Like what? I don't see many if any bugs that hinder my day to day activities in 6.5, it runs smoother, it's sleeker and unreleased to the public giving it that extra "shimmer", and the built in scrolling effects are just amazing.
What bugs are you speaking of??
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For example, this is one of 6.5 users:
dwmackay said:
I was on the 6 hour flight and decided to play with the phone a bit out of boredom. It was locked up.
No problem soft reset. Continued to lock-up.
No problem, PIM Backup, Hard reset. Then the keyboard would not switch to ABC from 123.
No problem, switch to another SIP. It would hold the change; it kept switching back to the ROM default. No problem, just use the hardware keyboard. A couple of great days in Ireland and it was time to take a quick phone pic to send home. Camera would not work; missed the moment. Fiddled with it a bit, could not get it to work.
No problem, hard reset and try again. Camera works now, keyboard seems to have fixed itself, but phone turns off randomly.
No problem, flash another ROM I have on my storage card. Everything works now except the phone. It has a signal for 5 minutes, then no signal for 5 minutes, over and over.
No problem, switch to manual network selection, could not access the settings.
No problem, hard reset. Works fine now. Ready to take a quick picture at a golf outing where I did not lug my Nikon around. Phone has turned itself off again, missed the moment. Time to surf up some quick directions, IE locks-up.
No Problem, switch to Opera, takes forever to load, my sister already has the directions on her damn iPhone before opera even loads.
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imaginarynumber said:
WHAT???
pilgrim011- There is a bug free version of WM?
When did that happen?
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OK, don't get me wrong, there are things that I don't like - low in-call volume, TF3D is sometimes behaving weird etc., but there is always a .cab or .reg to solve these issues, and to tell you the truth, there are no serious issues with HTC ROM, phone is stable and solid as a rock. Of course, Energy ROMs are way faster and more pretty than official ROMs, but I prefer my battery life, stability etc. over speed, beauty and bugginess... And I don't want to flash my phone every 5 days.

Fair enough pilgrim011
Btw has anyone found a work around for the word completion on the keyboard that actually works regardless of wm version???
For what its worth I love/hate wm6.5- I hate that everyone now thinks that we have to have icons because we are too thick to use menus, if I really was that thick I would have purchased an iphone!!!

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Fair enough pilgrim011
Btw has anyone found a work around for the word completion on the keyboard that actually works regardless of wm version???
For what its worth I love/hate wm6.5- I hate that everyone now thinks that we have to have icons because we are too thick to use menus, if I really was that thick I would have purchased an iphone!!!
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I recommend the fastest bestest most stable rom out there.
and I thought the reason we have all those iphone-alikes was so we could be almost cool enough to have an ibone. err.. iphone.