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Greetings all.
After much thought, I opted for a Magician (yet to arrive). The next step is purchase as large an SD card that my pocket can afford, and it is here that some advice would be appreciated. A 1GB card can be purchased here in England for around £55 upwards. All well and good. However, how do these budget cards measure up in terms of speed?
A second thought which struck me was that the same card could double up to be used in my digital camera. Doubtless many of you also own a digital camera. I had already bought a 256MB card for the camera, but was always perplexed by the amount of time it took the camera to be ready for another shot (in highest quality mode). It is only now that I belatedly realise that the delay must have been due to a slow write speed.
So there you have it: I would prefer a high speed write card (4 megapixel photos) which can also be used to play mp3s on the Magician. Are there any prime 1GB candidates that spring to mind? I have yet to find a good website offering comparisons of a wide range of SD cards...
look at the program pocket mechianics it let you benchmark your system and compare to other pda's and or with many SD cards
doubt it's uptodate though
and at least for the xda2 and many other pda's it's the interface which is bottleneck not the sd cards
sd card speed seem to matter the most when you are using usb2 sd card readers
I'll take a look at pocket mechanics to benchmark my existing card. What about for choosing a new and, as yet, unacquired card? Are there any recommendations?
I have heard good things about the SanDisk Ultra II range. Unfortunately, the 2GB version cannot be bought for less than ~£180 here in England. Are these cheaper in the States?
Hi,
I am in Delhi (india), and need to buy a new PDA. I am not able to make up my mind on Touch Diamond or Touch pro. HTC touch pro is not yet launched here, and will be launched soon... if somebody knows the date of launch, please let me know.
Can somebody advice me, if it is worth waiting for Touch pro, or go ahead and buy Diamond.
Thanks.
The Touch Pro has the following extra things:
- Slide out keyboard
- 288Mb RAM rather than 192Mb
- 512Mb ROM rather than 256Mb (Diamond also has build in memory for file storage - eg, music etc)
- Flash to go with camera
- more powerful battery
- microSD slot instead of 4Gb built in memory
- fair bit thicker (almost 1cm I think)
- TV out (though an extra cable which needs to be purchased)
You can see a side by side comparison here:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1306&id2=1311
Wrong, the Raphael does not have more ROM. The Diamond has 4gb ROM while the Raphed has only 512mb. I'm pretty sure it's more thicker than an cm, especially when you consider the keyboard
kareem9nba said:
Wrong, the Raphael does not have more ROM. The Diamond has 4gb ROM while the Raphed has only 512mb. I'm pretty sure it's more thicker than an cm, especially when you consider the keyboard
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Right, 18mm to 11.5mm I believe.
It's really not that thick though, believe me...
kareem9nba said:
Wrong, the Raphael does not have more ROM. The Diamond has 4gb ROM while the Raphed has only 512mb. I'm pretty sure it's more thicker than an cm, especially when you consider the keyboard
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To clarify...
The Diamond has 256Mb + the 4Gb storage, whereas the Diamond has 512Mb + microSD card slot.
grahamrb said:
To clarify...
The Diamond has 256Mb + the 4Gb storage, whereas the Diamond has 512Mb + microSD card slot.
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True, however ROM is what's built in so i took it that's what you mean No biggy, good clarification for all.
Very Importantly , It depends on convenience. If you do a lot of typing and used to hardware keyboards then Raphael is a go
If you are used to onscreen keyboard , Touch Diamond has a good onscreen keyboard which gets very comfortable to use.Further , raphael has extra ram ( 288 , but again 64 mb may be off for Graphics processor as diamond )and provides storage card slot.
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True, however ROM is what's built in so i took it that's what you mean No biggy, good clarification for all.
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Well, I think the bigger part is that firmware can't be put on the 4GB fixed memory or the microSD card, so the Raphael has more room for that.
Thanks everyone for replying back. Any idea when is "Raphael" launching in India or in Delhi for that matter. And what is the expected price for it ?
Black93300ZX said:
Well, I think the bigger part is that firmware can't be put on the 4GB fixed memory or the microSD card, so the Raphael has more room for that.
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All very true, I will edit my post to try to clarify.
By the way, if diamond has 4 GB fixed memory on the board, and Raphael has only 512 mb of that + microSD card, so wont the Diamond should access the memory faster ?, and it should be more reliable too ?
The speed depends on your MicroSD card, some are pretty fast.
Airtel Might launch Raphael in a few months.
golympio said:
The speed depends on your MicroSD card, some are pretty fast.
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Yes Very Well, High Speed Micro SD's Provide exceptional performance
asksaravana said:
Yes Very Well, High Speed Micro SD's Provide exceptional performance
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SanDisk mircoSDHC Ultra II 8gb? Is it any good?
Still wondering when we will see 12GB or even 16GB microSDHC cards... all have been announced in january... odd
Jorlin said:
SanDisk mircoSDHC Ultra II 8gb? Is it any good?
Still wondering when we will see 12GB or even 16GB microSDHC cards... all have been announced in january... odd
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Yeah, I googled for about 15 mins for some but could only find them on pre-order (the 12Gb ones) with no release date or price.
mnshsnghl said:
By the way, if diamond has 4 GB fixed memory on the board, and Raphael has only 512 mb of that + microSD card, so wont the Diamond should access the memory faster ?, and it should be more reliable too ?
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Ok lets try again...
Diamond RAM: 192MB. Raphael RAM: 288MB.
Diamond ROM: 256MB. Raphael ROM: 512MB.
Diamond Extra memory: 4GB(Internal). Raphael Extra memory: MicroSD.
RAM is for loading programs and using the phone.
ROM is for storing windows and programs.
Extra memory is for programs, music, video and images.
Hope it helps.
4GB intern sucks, I have a 8gb micro sd hc which I also can use for other stuf. Also reading and writing goes faster with memorycard reader than using the phone with usb cable.
Jorlin said:
SanDisk mircoSDHC Ultra II 8gb? Is it any good?
Still wondering when we will see 12GB or even 16GB microSDHC cards... all have been announced in january... odd
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Recieved my sandisk 8gb mobile ultra class 6! microsdhc card today.
Replaced my 4gb class 2.
My kaiser is flying with this new card...
Looking up adresses in tomtom could be a pain, but now it's done in the blink of an eye.
The speed makes up for the extra money (and that is not much to start with: 41 euro incl shipment) !!!!
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True, however ROM is what's built in so i took it that's what you mean No biggy, good clarification for all.
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Just to clarify further it makes no difference whether the memory is built in or not... ROM is Read Only Memory and is generally where the operating system is stored and where the device boots from. The additional on-board 4gb in the Diamond is RAM which is available for storing user files...
Since I may get an HTC Desire HD to replace my slightly ageing iPhone 3GS, I'll be needing at least a 16GB microSD to store my stuff on.
I was looking through Amazon and found a 16GB SanDisk one for £22, but it's only class 2 which I understand is pretty crap, right? I've had experience with bad microSDs and it wasn't pleasant (be very wary of Nokia branded cards).
What's the minimum class I should get for a decent experience and so I can record decent video?
Class 4 is ok, class 6 is better, but i think that there is no need for faster than class 4.
I had 8gb class 4 kingstone on my HD2 and i had none problem or lag with anything. Class 4 is double speed than class2.
Ill go for 16gb class 4
OK, thanks
One more question: is there a way to encrypt the contents of the card?
Not that I know off and still be able to use with the phone vi think with htc's new thing you can wipe it remotkey also if it gets stolen
How about encrypting the phone itself then? That's where all my emails etc will be anyway, presumably.
Does the remote wipe include the microSD though? I'm not sure if HTC has confirmed it does.
I believe the D'HD should have enough phone RAM that you can keep sensitive material like emails off the SD. In which remote wipe should be sufficiently safe. The current weakness though is that the unit will not self format after say ten failed screen lock attempts. A thief can literally sit there tapping away until entry. Surprised such a feature hasn't creeped into the ROMs yet.
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HTCinToronto said:
I believe the D'HD should have enough phone RAM that you can keep sensitive material like emails off the SD. In which remote wipe should be sufficiently safe. The current weakness though is that the unit will not self format after say ten failed screen lock attempts. A thief can literally sit there tapping away until entry. Surprised such a feature hasn't creeped into the ROMs yet.
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I'm planning to flash some unofficial ROMs to it anyway (that's where the fun is in an OS like Android anyway ), so d'ya think such a feature can be implemented in one of those?
And do you ever think that Android will get "on-the-fly" content encryption like iPhones and BlackBerries?
If you don't use Apps2SD there is shouldn't be any need for faster than class 4 I think.
Watching p0rn generally doesn't need much speed.
wywywywy said:
If you don't use Apps2SD there is shouldn't be any need for faster than class 4 I think.
Watching p0rn generally doesn't need much speed.
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I was thinking more along the lines of recording the video, I remember reading somewhere that to record 720p at a decent frame rate you needed a high class.
If HTC do it right, with the help of a intermediate buffer, into RAM or even internal memory disk and after writing to the sdcard, there's no need for a class 4 or 6 card. A class 2 will suffice
We are talking almost of a computer not a digital camera or a digital recorder that usually don't have this amount of RAM or internal memory
Correct...
I have been saying this in other topics.
The later phones with large storage areas write their camera data first to the internal memory.
As such you can happily get away with a Class 2.
It's only when you are transfering data between the phone & a PC over USB where you will notice any speed differences.
OK, thanks
I also found out that there's an Android app called MyStash which will encrypt individual files, could come in handy. I'd still prefer on-the-fly encryption, but hey.
MaybachMan said:
How about encrypting the phone itself then? That's where all my emails etc will be anyway, presumably.
Does the remote wipe include the microSD though? I'm not sure if HTC has confirmed it does.
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The DHD has enough horsepower to run on-the-fly encryption.
You can achieve this quite easily:
What you need to do, is basically build static copies of lvm, device-mapper and cryptsetup.
Add vgchange -ay, and cryptsetup luksOpen to initrd just before mount.
An easy way to realise key reading is to save your key on your microsd card (this of course implies that your sdcard is mounted earlier), and make cryptsetup read from it:
cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/your_vol/your_lab some_id < /mnt/sdcard/my_key.txt
it only makes sense to encrypt /data/data, /data/misc and /data/system, of course.
You can always encrypt the whole /data if you want.
The only problem would be to fit the static binaries into your initrd (you can build some of them with busybox and integrate it).
That's it.
I have been thinking about encrypted aufs for a while, but since my only device is the "old" Hero, I couldn't bring that plan to execution yet.
Beards said:
Correct...
I have been saying this in other topics.
The later phones with large storage areas write their camera data first to the internal memory.
As such you can happily get away with a Class 2.
It's only when you are transfering data between the phone & a PC over USB where you will notice any speed differences.
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But then, I have seen several threads with people complaining about the low 720p video recording fps they had with their Desire. Replacing the SD card for a faster one improved their fps.
A faster SD card was the difference between bad 720p video performance and acceptable performance.
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But then, I have seen several threads with people complaining about the low 720p video recording fps they had with their Desire. Replacing the SD card for a faster one improved their fps.
A faster SD card was the difference between bad 720p video performance and acceptable performance.
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The reason they would complain is because the Desire has very little internal storage for buffering compared to the likes of the DHD & Galaxy S.
On these devices it does not matter what class rating you use.... the video file is first written to internal memory storage before being transferred to microsd.
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The reason they would complain is because the Desire has very little internal storage for buffering compared to the likes of the DHD & Galaxy S.
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Are you sure? As far as I know, the Desire should have more ram with 576Mb, and the Galaxy S 512Mb. (DHD of course has 768Mb).
The Galaxy also has a 8Gb / 16Gb internal SD card. But here we would again be comparing SD card speeds...
Go for class4 too be sure and ready for perfect recording then
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Are you sure? As far as I know, the Desire should have more ram with 576Mb, and the Galaxy S 512Mb. (DHD of course has 768Mb).
The Galaxy also has a 8Gb / 16Gb internal SD card. But here we would again be comparing SD card speeds...
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We've already crossed swords in another topic mate.... I don't have the strength to start another here....
Beards said:
We've already crossed swords in another topic mate.... I don't have the strength to start another here....
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There's no crossing of swords at all buddy. Just some nice sharing of different points of views and experiences; for our own benefits of us all
Whatever the truth is...i'll buy class4 and everybody happy
Today I bought a new SD card for my DHD and so far it seems to be good. For it's price (30 euro from a local shop) it delivers just as expected. I tested it with SD Tools from the market and the speeds are 11 MB/s write and 19 MB/s read. Tomorrow I'll try to make a video and hopefully it won't shutter. Also the card came with 'lifetime guarantee' but that's something I hope I'll never have to use. And knowing the customer service in our shops, I won't be able to use even if I have to.
Being made in China I had my reservations about A-data but it seemed real (nice packaging, no spelling mistakes on 'A-DATA' ) so I decided for 30 euros it's worth the risk.
Writing this I now realize I didn't format it, so maybe it will increase the performance once I do. Any thoughts on that?
Update: I just made a video in very poor lighting conditions and it doesn't shutter at all! Had lots of exposure changes (pointing at the lamp and away) and still could not make it shutter!
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tkolev said:
Writing this I now realize I didn't format it, so maybe it will increase the performance once I do. Any thoughts on that?
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have the same for a couple of months now, works ok, formating will not gain you speed.
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marleyb said:
have the same for a couple of months now, works ok, formating will not gain you speed.
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I've read somewhere around here that formating with 32kb clusters will make it faster, but who knows...
tkolev said:
I've read somewhere around here that formating with 32kb clusters will make it faster, but who knows...
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That depends on what you are doing. If you read or write large files, larger clusters will finish the job quicker - and vice versa. That's what I've heard anyway
stekarson said:
That depends on what you are doing. If you read or write large files, larger clusters will finish the job quicker - and vice versa. That's what I've heard anyway
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It seems that it's true. Not for the write speed, but using 64k clusters (why test 32k when there is bigger option available ), I'm constantly reaching 100+ MB/s read speeds on SD Tools. I don't know if it's true though (is the interface capable of 100+ Mb/s ). Anyway, I think that the only need for a faster card is the video recording/transfer, so larger files are presumed to have a priority in choosing the format of your card. From what I remember from the good old days (10 MB HDDs, 4.77 MHz processors, 5.25" floppies, etc.) the downside in bigger clusters was that smaller files took a whole cluster and there was much space wasted (when you had 10 MB HDD every kB counted). With a 16 GB card, it's needles to say that I don't care if a few hundred MB get wasted (and for that you need to have 32 000+ files), so I think with the clusters it's the bigger - the better.
tkolev said:
I tested it with SD Tools from the market and the speeds are 11 MB/s write and 19 MB/s read.
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I get 10.7 / 15.7 on a Transcend class 6 card. Not too much of a difference as it seems..
http://img405.imageshack.us/i/htcdesirehd201103162352.png/
ZedeN said:
I get 10.7 / 15.7 on a Transcend class 6 card. Not too much of a difference as it seems..
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Well, the class gives you the minimum write speed of the card. Anything above that is due to the manufacturing process and the higher standards some manufacturers have. The thing that impresses me with this card is the fact that for 30 Euro, I got a real 16GB class 10 card and video recording doesn't shutter. Hopefully it will last a couple of years .
hey guys can u all teach me how to upgrade my sd card?
i just bought a class 4 16gb and i dun noe how to get round to migrating my hp's sd to the new 1
shadower555 said:
hey guys can u all teach me how to upgrade my sd card?
i just bought a class 4 16gb and i dun noe how to get round to migrating my hp's sd to the new 1
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I don't know if it's the same with your hp, but I just copied everything from my old card to the new one, turned off the phone, removed the old card and inserted the new one.
1 qns, is ur DHD rooted?
shadower555 said:
1 qns, is ur DHD rooted?
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yes it is rooted.
I have several A-DATA SD cards and so far all work very well.
Despite its Chinese origin I think D-DATA have very reliable products.
tkolev said:
Well, the class gives you the minimum write speed of the card. Anything above that is due to the manufacturing process and the higher standards some manufacturers have. The thing that impresses me with this card is the fact that for 30 Euro, I got a real 16GB class 10 card and video recording doesn't shutter. Hopefully it will last a couple of years .
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Yea I know, by any chance do you know of any software that can test the minimum write/read speeds? I guess it will have to try to write a large number of small files.
And you are right, 30 euros is a bargain.
Just found a software that allows you to do that, could you possibly run a test with CrystalDiskMark? Here are my results:
minimum write speed 0.022MB/s with a card formated 32k cluster size :S
Once I get to my computer I'll make the test and post the results here. But as I said, the faster SD card is mainly for video recording/transfer, so being faster or slower with smaller files has no impact on real life situations.
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EDIT: I just downloaded the application you used from the official site (I think), but my antivirus (NOD32) warned against Adware, so I couldn't install it and test the card.
ZedeN said:
I get 10.7 / 15.7 on a Transcend class 6 card. Not too much of a difference as it seems..
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Also have a Transcend Class 6 - 13.1 / 18.1
Almost bought a Kingston Class 10, glad i made the choice I did.
I've been playing around with SD booster today, and I've found that it makes no difference. I thought that changing the cache size or whatever it does would help but i dont think it does
I want to buy a memory card. This card is really good?
fipec said:
I want to buy a memory card. This card is really good?
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I'm happy with it. It says 16GB class 10 and it is 16GB class 10. No more, no less. After a couple of years we'll see if it will last a couple of years .
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Yea I know, by any chance do you know of any software that can test the minimum write/read speeds? I guess it will have to try to write a large number of small files.
And you are right, 30 euros is a bargain.
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What Micro SD should I get.
1. A smaller but faster Micro SD (64 GB 80MB/s)
2. Bigger but slower (128GB 48MB) Class10
Do you you notice the speed difference between 48 and 80 MB/s. Make a difference on my DSLR, but not sure if the Shield will take advantage of the speed.
I guess it depends on what you will mainly be using it for. I have an old class 10 64gb card that still works sufficiently even for running games directly from it.
I believe the shield's SD slot is pretty high quality so I would imagine it can use the faster speed cards.. but most of us are gonna be looking for more space for games considering games like HL2 take around 2gb or more.
TLDR: get the 128gb imo.
technoviking said:
What Micro SD should I get.
1. A smaller but faster Micro SD (64 GB 80MB/s)
2. Bigger but slower (128GB 48MB) Class10
Do you you notice the speed difference between 48 and 80 MB/s. Make a difference on my DSLR, but not sure if the Shield will take advantage of the speed.
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Personally I was in the same situation I to have a DSLR and I went for the speed 64GB
I'm using a class 10 32gb card and I have all my games on it using folder mount and I do not notice any lag or slow loading of games. I think the only time you would want anything faster is if you record a lot of videos. Otherwise I don't think it's necessary.
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I'm using a class 10 32gb card and I have all my games on it using folder mount and I do not notice any lag or slow loading of games. I think the only time you would want anything faster is if you record a lot of videos. Otherwise I don't think it's necessary.
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Same type of card for me as well. I think mine is about a 35mb/s speed. Plenty fast enough for offloading game assets from what I've experienced to date.
I am dont sure, I have sandisk ultra 64gb (30mb/s) and pny (64gb) 90mb/s elite performance, I dont feel tangible improvements in much extend. The only time i really did feel the difference was when ripped some 4k movies from youtube... and some pdf's over 200 pages in size.:silly:
I ordered a 128GB (New version) ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M562LF4/ )
And it will be here tonight. I don't have my shield tablet yet. I managed to snag one from the official amazon shipment that sold out in a matter of minutes. Which should be here on Friday or Monday.
I do have a Verizon HTC One Max as my daily driver. I do understand it's a different device. But I will do some tests on the HTC and the exact same tests on the Shield Tablet when it arrives.
I'm new to testing SD cards. So if people could make a list of what tests they'd like me to run I would be happy to run them.
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I ordered a 128GB (New version) ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M562LF4/ )
And it will be here tonight. I don't have my shield tablet yet. I managed to snag one from the official amazon shipment that sold out in a matter of minutes. Which should be here on Friday or Monday.
I do have a Verizon HTC One Max as my daily driver. I do understand it's a different device. But I will do some tests on the HTC and the exact same tests on the Shield Tablet when it arrives.
I'm new to testing SD cards. So if people could make a list of what tests they'd like me to run I would be happy to run them.
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Its down to $99. Couldn't resist and bought one.
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i don't have one yet, but i would put all my games on internal if i had space , i mean only games ! and than few apps and other stuff on sd card if you don't have space a better sdcard as i know only reduces loading times which can make your gallery lag if its slow ! (when you start it, it reads pictures from sd card, even if you don't have pictures there it will check there as i know)