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Just want a reliable Pop client!

Oh at this time of fun and joy, how little i'm having
It all started a few weeks ago when I had to dump my Yahoo mail account as I was getting way too much junk mail - my poor Homer Simpson "The mail is here... woooohoooo" was seriously overworked!
So off I Googled and after a few hours found Inbox.Com. Awesome! 5 gig free and pop access.. yay! So I set it all up on Outlook on my PC and it rocked. Great!
Now time to setup on my TyTN. So I plugged all the details into the standard Smartmobile client and encountered my first problem. Aparently, and I ain't too hot on this stuff, Inbox.com does something odd with the content also being part of the subject? Anyways, this stopped the Smartmobile software downloading any messages, all it would do is tell me there are x number of mails present
So I tried a few more 3rd party apps and finaly came across Flexmail. This *at first* rocked! It downloaded emails and replaced the standard "Today screen" menu option and seemed to work great. A well rounded bit of software.
Then this morning, my second day of using flexmail, I woke up and noticed no new emails. Fired up my laptop (Outlook) and checked - oh look 2 new mails
After some experimentation, it appears that Flexmail does not autoconnect (a least reliably - unlike the standard MS client which does but don't download) and just ignores some email messages! (Unable to find out why/common factor)
So, I'm now after a reliable, well rounded and polished, SMS(?) and Email client for my TyTN. It must autoconnect every x mins, use system address book/contacts and above all, be reliable and not ignore messages! It must also run "invisibly" for want of a better way of describing it and not need me to constantly start it up etc.
I have tried nPOP and QMail, neither of which seem "nice n pretty" enough for me.
I am happy to pay for a client, as long as I can get a demo/trial first and i'm not too bothered about cost either.
I beg you, please point me in the right direction and I will be forever in your debt!
Very many thanks in advance and a have a tip top holiday period!
edit: Ps No matter what I try I also can't get flexmail to play my "The mail is here ...." even though its programmed in Sounds And Notifications/Flexmail.

Profimail?
Hi,
somebody has experience with Profimail? On a Czech PDA-forum people were quite enthousiastic about it. http://www.lonelycatgames.com/index.php?note=profimail&chapter=profimail

wpmulder said:
Hi,
somebody has experience with Profimail? On a Czech PDA-forum people were quite enthousiastic about it. http://www.lonelycatgames.com/index.php?note=profimail&chapter=profimail
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1. welcome to XDA-Dev
2. while ProfiMail is stable, I'd choose something else. There are MUCH better mailer clients: Qmail and FlexMail 2007. They are MUCH better. Please do read the Mailer Bible at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=569&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for more in-depth info.

If you're not too bothered about cost, then why not use Gmail, and forward that to a free live.mail2web.com account.
The only cost will be data on your phone plan, but it means you get true push mail, so you don't have to check every x minutes, it just notifies you when you get new mail like a blackberry, and all of this with pocket outlook.
Also means all of your contacts and calendar are backed up online too.

Menneisyys said:
..... Qmail and FlexMail 2007. They are MUCH better. Please do read the Mailer Bible at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=569&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for more in-depth info.
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Hi
We are both coming from a diferent forum looking for the same answer We've both used QMail - which seems complicated and ugly - and Flexmail, nice looking but, well "misses" emails and won't autoconnect, despite the options.
Will however check out your link, thanks!

AlanJC said:
If you're not too bothered about cost, then why not use Gmail, and forward that to a free live.mail2web.com account.
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'coz this aint a "inbox.com" issue. Its rubbish clients on the smartphones. Yahoo was brilliant but got blitzed with junk mail, although it did take 7 years to reach too bad a level for me
Why is it so dificult to get a "good" client on smartphones?
p.s. I don't want to have to change x gazilion email subscriptions/forums addresses again. Specialy when its not the email servers fault.

Menneisyys said:
... There are MUCH better mailer clients: Qmail and FlexMail 2007. They are MUCH better. Please do read the Mailer Bible at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=569&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for more in-depth info.
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Having now checked out that link i'm none too impressed. All they seem to say is that Flexmail is the best out there and well, if thats the best then the market has a big hole in it.
Flexmail DOES have a lot on pluses however, its simple lack of ability to reliably connect (no, this is not a signal thing etc) and it's just plain ignorance of playing my "The mail is here..." tune combined with it not listing all my mails, sucks.
I'd like to think i'm doing something wrong, maybe I am, but I can get pocket outlook to connect everytime (just not download) and I can get the other mail clients (including pocket outlook) to play the tune....
This really does reinforce to me that Smartmobile is lacking and wanting in a market where it pushes convergence as its major "daddy".
P.s I downloaded the client from the publishers website about 3 maybe 4 days ago so it shouldn't be a version issue. But then, why should I need a 3rd party app to do what Outlook desktop will do anyway!?!?!?

Again, why mess about with trying to pull email at set intervals which you know is buggy, when you can use push mail?
Simply forward your existing email account to your mail2web account.
I don't see the issue here.

ProfiMail
Menneisyys said:
1. welcome to XDA-Dev
2. while ProfiMail is stable, I'd choose something else. There are MUCH better mailer clients: Qmail and FlexMail 2007. They are MUCH better. Please do read the Mailer Bible at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=569&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for more in-depth info.
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I can't agree with this (too) negative statement. In your blog, you have tested Version 2.37. It's 2.60 now !
I had (before finding ProfiMail) Qmail, Flexmail2007 (on my StrTrk and my 2 PDA's). BIG problems e.g. with IMAP, BIG footprint.
Overall, ProfiMail is now my definite first choice (speed, ease of use, auto update, configuration possibilities, etc.) on my smartphone and PDA's.
Therefore, I can really recommend ProfiMail, despite the expert's statements.
Cheers
hrb

ProfiMail
Menneisyys said:
1. welcome to XDA-Dev
2. while ProfiMail is stable, I'd choose something else. There are MUCH better mailer clients: Qmail and FlexMail 2007. They are MUCH better. Please do read the Mailer Bible at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=569&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for more in-depth info.
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I can't agree with this (too) negative statement. In your blog, you mention that you have tested Version 2.37. It's 2.60 now !
I had (before finding ProfiMail) Qmail, Flexmail2007 (on my StrTrk and my 2 PDA's). BIG problems e.g. with IMAP, BIG footprint.
Overall, ProfiMail is now my definite first choice (speed, ease of use, auto update, configuration possibilities, etc.) on my smartphone and PDA's.
Therefore, I can really recommend ProfiMail, despite the expert's statements.
Cheers
hrb

Profimail.
Downloaded and installed. Won't recognise any screen taps of any sort on my TyTN. All input has to be done by keyboard and onscreen keyboard. Oh and some screens don't have a "back" or "finish" option meaning that I have to kill the program from the memory applet and start again - avoiding the offending screen for the rest of my life.
Thanks for the recommendation but my verdict "Rubbish".
So, I stand by my previous post, anyone know a GOOD pop client for smartphones?

AlanJC said:
Again, why mess about with trying to pull email at set intervals which you know is buggy, when you can use push mail?
Simply forward your existing email account to your mail2web account.
I don't see the issue here.
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'coz I have to sign in to it using a browser or wap session? Unless there is an option I can't see
I want the mail transfer to be out of my hands, I just want to be alerted when there is new mail (15 minutes delay is perfectly adequate for me) and it to be in my "inbox" rather than have to go and check a webpage. If wanted to check a webpage, why would I use Mail2Web as Inbox.com has a web interface already?
I would like to say that I do appreciate everyones input, maybe we will come across the perfect client for me (and others) if we keep plugging away.
Thankyou to all!!

Merry Christmas All!!
You know... I have just recently entered the world of push email and I have to say it's pretty awesome to get my email on my 8525 after only a few seconds.
I had the hardest time getting email to work reliably for me as well. I had the XDA IIs for 2 years and tried Flexmail, Profimail, npop, pocket outlook and none of them would just work reliably.
After much research on this whole push email thing I found mail2web live (based on recommendations from various sources, including this one). All I did was sign up for a mail2web live account and created an email address with them. From there I just set up my gmail account to forward all incoming emails to my mail2web account. And it worked. I have a second gmail account forwarded to them as well... and now I get them both in real time on my phone. Also... the days of email disappearing in pocket outlook are gone thanks to this system.
Here is the link to sign up for mail2webs live service with push email:
https://services.mail2web.com/signup/mail2weblive/mail2webLive_01.asp
I went into active sync and set up the server details to create a push email system. Now I use pocket outlook for my email and I get my notifications when email come in just like I do with SMS.
Server settins for activesync on your pocket pc:
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Activesync > Menu > Configure Server...
Server address: mobile.exchange.mail2web.com
Check the SSL box for encryption.
Username: [email protected]
Password: yourpassword
Domain: ad2
Check save password.
I would go to advanced settings and change it to "Keep the item on your device" as well that way you don't lose anything while syncronizing your information.
The only problems that people have been mentioning are mail2web's lack of free aliasing of your email address. So any email you straight respond to will show up as coming from mail2web.com. I have tried changing gmails settings for this and also activesync's option for your email address, but mail2web still overrides this.
Searching for a solution I have found port88.org. I have signed up for an account based on feedback I have read and anticipate that I will have my account set up with them soon (the main advantage I can see is that they offer the aliasing that I would need). I have not actually used their service as of yet, but I am eager to.
Here is the discussion on port88.org here on xda-developers:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-273878.html
Here is the link to the port88.org sign up page:
http://www.port88.org/signup.php
Hope this helps people out. I know one thing... I will NOT go back to pulling email... not after I have experienced this push email thing Finally my pocket pc has reliable email... just as reliable as my SMS now.
Message me if you have any questions.
Mark

Hi Caswell,
thanks very much for the detailed response but sadly I have now learn't I cannot use this method. I can only have one Exchange "server". This phone also sync's with my laptop which is also connected to my office Outlook/Exchange server.
Do I understand this right?

inbox.com news
Hi,
I do not know if you got any further with your search - but maybe it will be soon possible to normally use the WM5 mail-client (or any other one) with our inbox.com mail-account. I saw this announcement recently on the inbox.com that they will anyble access from mobile devies - see attached screenshot.
Peter

NEED: Push-Mail Service that has Exchange 2007

I have been searching all over ... no luck. Anyone know of a push-mail Provider that has exchange 2007 aka html-emails for WM6 support? I would be happy to pay for that...

Hi Pencilcase,
You can try Mail2web.com
I´ve been an user and they are now using Exchange 2007!
And the best thing is that you can have all for FREE!
Regards.

actually they dont use 2007 check the details on the accounts its all exchange 2003 sp2

Pencilcase is right. I do use mail2web myself and do not get html emails.
As stated above, they mail2web currently uses exchange 2003 sp2.
Give it time and maybe they upgrade will come.

planning
I am running exchange2007 now..
And the search funktion rocks.. on my mobile.
I am planning to rollout exchange 2007 in a datacenter (i am a freelance systemadministrator) and sell accounts.
Starting from 119 euro a year (200 Mb mailbox)
179 euro a year (600MB mailbox)
279 euro a year (1,5 gig mailbox)
Regards,
Ramon Rijs
ITMuscle.nl

liveoffice.com has Exchange 2007 and they use Secure Computing IronMail for spam control.
sherweb.com according to their press release http://sherweb.com/en-usd/page_exchange1010.html says everyone will have an upgrade to 2007 after it's released. Just make sure it's up and running right now. They also throw in 200MB of SharePoint hosting and 100MB of public folders. According to a sales rep I emailed they use Barracuda for spam control.
IronMail and Postini won Gartner's magic quadrant for controlling spam. Postini is a hosted service while IronMail is maintained on site. http://www.securecomputing.com/index.cfm?skey=1608
So far liveoffice.com is the only one to mention they partner with Secure Computing. I've been searching for Exchange or IMAP providers that use either Postini or IronMail.

Yep! You are right for sure! I haven't noticed they are using 2003!
pencilcase said:
actually they dont use 2007 check the details on the accounts its all exchange 2003 sp2
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WM6 with Exchange 2007
I have an unlimited storage account on http://www.exchangemailhosting.com hosted by Exchange 2007. My WM6 MB Edition rocks with this service (HTML mail, search mailbox, search contact, etc).

WillJV said:
Pencilcase is right. I do use mail2web myself and do not get html emails.
As stated above, they mail2web currently uses exchange 2003 sp2.
Give it time and maybe they upgrade will come.
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Maybe it is something the ROM cooker did, but I'm running WM6 MBE and I have HTML email on my IMAP account. So why would it be any different on an Exchange 2003 account? Or is it just a cooker bonus?

I'm talking about push-email not a normal pop/imap account ....

windows push email

I see from another posting in the diamond forum that people have managed to get BB Connect running on the diamond.
At the moment I use system7 on my nokia n95 to get email pushed from my work exchange server, however everyone else in the office has a blackberry (I didn't want one of these hence my finding an alternative solution).
does anyone have any experience of the direct push technology offered with windows mobile 6?
I might use the bbconnect application (if I can get it working) as it appears to do everything I want it to, but I just thought that if there's already an app in WM that does the trick, I might as well stick with that.

You say you have exchange at work?
The push email system will work just nicely with it, you might have to get onto your network admin and see if they offer activesync connection to it but its very likely they do. You sync your email, contacts, tasks and calender with it...works a treat.
I currently use DenaiL's service on here and it works very nicely...you should be up and running pretty swiftly if ur network admin confirms you can use it.
EDIT: Activesync is built into EVERY ROM in windows mobile and this is the primary way to sync the device over the air (via GPRS/HSDPA or wifi to get push email) or via USB.

we have exchange server at work, but I doubt they'll let me add any software (activesync) to it.
Exchange already has the software needed in it, its a native function of exchange to allow a windows mobile device to sync with it.

EAS is a native part of exchange, but it is turned off by default i think.
I know my place have it turned off, despite all the company mobile supporting EAS, and all the employees using HTC devices that natively support it.
Go figure.
I think they want to save a couple of hundred of quid on a certificate, and spend thousands of pounds on corporate intellisync licenses instead.

so my company would have to invest in a new license to enable EAS?
I'm pretty sure they would have to buy a license to allow me to use BBConnect too? I know that we are running 5 or 6 BBs in the company, each one requiring a license....or have I been misled?
thanks, I really want to ensure that my push email will work perfectly on the device when I get it.

I dont own a HTC Touch Diamond or a Touch Pro. I own a HTC Touch and use Hosted Exchange as my primary email service provider. I use the direct-push technology in WM6 and sync with my exchange account. It works like a charm and I have yet to experience any problems with it. I get my email on my Touch within 10 seconds of receiving the email in my inbox.
Memory fades about Exchange 2003, however, I *think* Exchange direct-push is enabled by default on Exchange 2007. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Exchange 2003 w/ SP2 automatically enabled Direct-Push. Same w/ all flavors of 2007. With Exchange 2007, admins DO need to enable Active Sync, but they can do it on a user by user basis if they want to. It shouldn't be a big deal for your IT admins to turn it on for you. Hope this helps.

excellent, thanks for the replies. We are running 2003 SP2, so hopefully in a few days time I might have proper push email. the app I'm currently running (system7) is totally crap at the moment..had nothing pushed for nearly a week!!

Exchange mail in HTML

i read through various parts in this forum that it usually the problem of the server that it it isnt sending things in HTML format to outlook mobile, i wasnt able to recieve Exchange mail in HTML on my touch pro, so i programmed the same exchange account on my wifes Iphone and to my amazment all the emails that came in were perfectly normal in HTML format,
so is there anyway to fix this issue and make the Touch pro capable of showing HTML mail comming from Exchange.
Best regards for the pros in this wonderfull forum
Kevin

i hope that anybody else is having the same problem as i really tried everything but nothing is working real weird, even though i tried to configure the exchange server sync to HTML but its not working either, as soon as it connect it gets back to plain text.
i really hope there is a solution for this with one of you great guys.
Best regards
kevin

Is the Exchange server running Exchange 2007 or 2003?

That's not a bug it's a "feature".
You either have to have an Exchange 2007 Server to display HTML mail or if you have an Exchange 2003 server you have to use POP3 to display HTML mail.

its a 2003 i think
but why is the iphone capable of showing the HTML email from the same exchange server.
that was basically my main question. if it is just some server feature, how can the iphone show the same messages in full HTML without a single problem

I think it is because Pocket Outlook leaves some HTML rendering up to the Exchange Server rather than do everything on the PPC. But that does not work on the Exchange 2003 Server only on Exchange 2007.
But if you communicate with your Exchange Server not via ActiveSync but via POP3 or IMAP HTML works. Because in this case Pocket Outlook is forced to do all the rendering by it self.

ok, now i understand the case, thanks boss,
i think this is the only superiority aspect for the iphone, ivebeen using it for a couple of days now atter jailbraking it, and im nto impressed, im actually much less than impressed, i miss my Rpahel. so much,
its really such a shame i cant h ave Pushmail and HTMl together, but well its a small sacrifice for a great device.

You're welcome! I'm glad I could help!

Mail2Web HTML Web Question ?

On WM6.1 when i configure mail2web push email I cannot see the html mails properly whereas in iphone it displays properly.
Is there any thing we can do about this ?

anybody .....

Unfortunately it's not possible to get HTML e-mail with mail2web. HTML e-mails require Microsoft Exchange Server 7, and mail2web is running earlier version of it. They do, however run 7'th version for paid accounts, I think.

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Unfortunately it's not possible to get HTML e-mail with mail2web. HTML e-mails require Microsoft Exchange Server 7, and mail2web is running earlier version of it. They do, however run 7'th version for paid accounts, I think.
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If this is the case then how come iphone does html mail ???