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OK, I read the posts here about flashing to button 1.05, then Tmobile 2.26 then WM6 roms. Why even bother with the Tmobile 2.26, I just went straight from the button to faria wm6. Does it have to do with the IPL/SPL being 2.26 instead of 1xx as they are now, if so what is IPL/SPL and why does it matter. Appreciate all answers.
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OK, I read the posts here about flashing to button 1.05, then Tmobile 2.26 then WM6 roms. Why even bother with the Tmobile 2.26, I just went straight from the button to faria wm6. Does it have to do with the IPL/SPL being 2.26 instead of 1xx as they are now, if so what is IPL/SPL and why does it matter. Appreciate all answers.
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Nothing personal, but all the information here is tried and proven. If you want to take shortcuts, be prepared to wind up with an unstable (or even bricked) device. Glad you were able to do that successfully, but it has been shown in numerous threads (especially back in January and February when WM6 was new for us) that if you have IPL/SPL that is not 2.xx and you are running WM6, you will have weird errors and an unstable device. Go back and read some of the old threads for the early WM6 roms, and numerous times in the threads people complained about issues after upgrading that most others didn't have. After asking for their IPL/SPL and seeing that one or the other was 1.xx, then having them upgrade to 2.xx the problem almost always (like 99% of the time) went away.
Basically IPL/SPL are like the BIOS on your PC. Running an older BIOS can cause Windows all sorts of problems due to bugs, device driver compatibility with the newer os, etc...
So for the extra 10mins or so it takes to flash the official T-Mobile 2.26 (or whatever other rom with an IPL/SPL of 2.xx or higher) you will save yourself a lot of grief.
What about just flashing button 1.05/ then using the IPL/SPL 3.08 upgrade before you flash to whatever? Ive used this method about 10 times in the last week to recover from crashed cooks and other whatnot and it seems to be rock solid.
As to MrFrazz thanks for the answer, thats kind of what I was thinking.
werD said:
What about just flashing button 1.05/ then using the IPL/SPL 3.08 upgrade before you flash to whatever? Ive used this method about 10 times in the last week to recover from crashed cooks and other whatnot and it seems to be rock solid.
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Yeah this is what I was just thinking as well, I downloaded the 3.08 and I think ill give it a whirl but I notice most people here use the 2.26 also.
I wander why it is that the wm6 roms don't update the IPL/SPL?
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I wander why it is that the wm6 roms don't update the IPL/SPL?
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I've never flashed a 3.xx IPL/SPL. I've never seen a reason to go to that version (and have seen where a few people went to 3.08 or somesuch and couldn't flash back down to a lower IPL/SPL. May have been their phone but I just don't want to hassle with 3.xx until its shown its needed). The main point is you need to get to something above 1.xx (so yes, 3.xx would apply in that case if thats what you want. But remember higher version is not always better, no matter what the geek side of us wants to believe ).
As for why not hav ethe IPL/SPL in our custom WM6 roms? Because if I release a rom that has IPL/SPL in it, then this rom would brick a G4 device if the person just tried to flash it without using ShellTools. So for the sake of the G4 community, I think most rom cooks leave it out. Plus, once you put an IPL/SPL on your phone, you really don't ever need to change it again. The advice of going back to an official rom between custom roms isn't for the IPL/SPL but to clean up the extended rom.
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I've never flashed a 3.xx IPL/SPL. I've never seen a reason to go to that version (and have seen where a few people went to 3.08 or somesuch and couldn't flash back down to a lower IPL/SPL. May have been their phone but I just don't want to hassle with 3.xx until its shown its needed). The main point is you need to get to something above 1.xx (so yes, 3.xx would apply in that case if thats what you want. But remember higher version is not always better, no matter what the geek side of us wants to believe ).
As for why not hav ethe IPL/SPL in our custom WM6 roms? Because if I release a rom that has IPL/SPL in it, then this rom would brick a G4 device if the person just tried to flash it without using ShellTools. So for the sake of the G4 community, I think most rom cooks leave it out. Plus, once you put an IPL/SPL on your phone, you really don't ever need to change it again. The advice of going back to an official rom between custom roms isn't for the IPL/SPL but to clean up the extended rom.
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Listen to mfrazzz. He knows what he is talking about. LOL
You are able to do whatever you want to with your device, but always remember this, alot of us have tried every possibility and have seen nearly every issue with the device, from frozen bootloader screen, to bricks, I myself have had one or 2 bricks. Luckily for me, I know how to deal with AT&T.
A word of wisdom, why make the same mistakes by rebuilding the wheel when someone else has already done it.
Hi !
By freeze i mean: tap the screen or press keys and nothing happens for 2-5 seconds. This would happen to me about once every 2 minutes.
This is what i did:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335568
I used the SPL extracted from the nbh of the official wm6.1 build which reverted my SPL back to the official one. You won't be able to flash a custom ROM anymore, until you install HardSPL again.
I have been using the Kaiser for about 30 min and no freeze.
It was not my idea that it was a SPL issue, someone mentioned this in a thread about the leaked WWE 6.1 (which is identical to the official WWE one)
edit1: This only applies if you installed HardSPL
edit2: Thanks to shafez for being the first to think about this. Apparently i was trying it at the same time as him, so i didn't know he also posted the results, that's why i started the thread as soon as saw the fix worked.
did you notice any other improvements like speed?
RPG0 said:
Hi !
By freeze i mean: tap the screen or press keys and nothing happens for 2-5 seconds. This would happen to me about once every 2 minutes.
This is what i did:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335568
I used the SPL extracted from the nbh of the official wm6.1 build which reverted my SPL back to the official one. You won't be able to flash a custom ROM anymore, until you install HardSPL again.
I have been using the Kaiser for about 30 min and no freeze.
It was not my idea that it was a SPL issue, someone mentioned this in a thread about the leaked WWE 6.1 (which is identical to the official WWE one)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2230736&postcount=206
It seems change the pagepool to 16MB helped. I tested, it works for me.
Thats more like it ..
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2230736&postcount=206
It seems change the pagepool to 16MB helped. I tested, it works for me.
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can some1 post in this thread how to fix the pagepool? some sort of manual?
thnx a lot
NoFatePPC said:
can some1 post in this thread how to fix the pagepool? some sort of manual?
thnx a lot
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kyphur has a pagepool patcher program that allows u to modify pagepool of ur rom nbh very easily.
use search; its on here. use a phrase like "kyphur pagepool patcher" which should bring up promising results.
SSOO
what you did exactly?
u changed PP or flashed another SPL, if its SPL, could you post it?
xwaiz said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2230736&postcount=206
It seems change the pagepool to 16MB helped. I tested, it works for me.
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I don't doubt that you are experiencing better behavior, but I would like to get some more information on this from a developer who actually understands the mechanics here.
I am certainly not that person, but as I understand it the SPL is a bootloader. As such, I'm not really sure what it has to do with operation of the OS after the OS is booted.
In addition, everything I understand about the pagepool, and changing the pagepool, I have a hard time understanding how a different SPL is going to change the size of the pool.
Again, I don't doubt your experiences, and even if we get 100 people saying this worked for them I would like to understand why this would possibly work.
Any actual developers have any input? (please, my amateurish suppositions are enough guesswork, if you don't have educated answers there isn't need to postulate).
Can you upload the 6.1 spl here and this should work on an MDa Vario III right?
Don't really know much about all of the techie stuff but I have also found that by reducing the cache sizes to "advised" and the PP to 16MB I do not experience any freezes. I have been running Dutty's test and also tried it with both L26 Roms and it works every time.
Just flashed the official new rom om my brand new phone and I´m not having any freezing issues. The phone was not hardspl as it was new out of the box.
I am certainly not that person, but as I understand it the SPL is a bootloader. As such, I'm not really sure what it has to do with operation of the OS after the OS is booted.
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I´m not into the workings of the device and not a hacker/programmer of any kind but what comes to mind is that if there is some incompability with the bootloader and the OS and the bootloader loads the OS the wrong way it seems natural to me that you will get errors that may result in strange behaviours of the OS. It may not be a large error and therefore the OS loads but with faults resultning in "bugs".
or its simply a bad rom. I will refrain from going to hardspl and testdrive the rom for a few weeks and se if I can come up with som errors.
can someone maybe upload german fixed version? thank you!
16 mb page pool really helps!
Very easy to do just using xda page pool patcher.
Do not forget to click "Save" button and then "Analyse" again to confirm .nbh file was updated successfully.
n00b question:
What is a nbh and pagepool? Will this affect the performance? I'm trying to learn as much as I can.
I don't post a lot, and I do not know the technical ins and outs of the SPL, but here is a theory. While browsing one of the threads regarding the video acceleration drivers, someone mentioned that the SPL could have something to do with initiating video acceleration. If this official release was supposed to have any sort of graphics fix, maybe something exists in the SPL of the official release that doesn't exist in HardSPL, and that is the reason we are experiencing the freezes. Just a thought.
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I don't doubt that you are experiencing better behavior, but I would like to get some more information on this from a developer who actually understands the mechanics here.
I am certainly not that person, but as I understand it the SPL is a bootloader. As such, I'm not really sure what it has to do with operation of the OS after the OS is booted.
In addition, everything I understand about the pagepool, and changing the pagepool, I have a hard time understanding how a different SPL is going to change the size of the pool.
Again, I don't doubt your experiences, and even if we get 100 people saying this worked for them I would like to understand why this would possibly work.
Any actual developers have any input? (please, my amateurish suppositions are enough guesswork, if you don't have educated answers there isn't need to postulate).
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SSOO
what you did exactly?
u changed PP or flashed another SPL, if its SPL, could you post it?
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I only changed pagepool to 16MB. Did not touch SPL (I think I'm using hardSPL).
Follow up: still no hang/freeze.
To sum up:
after flashing some 6.1 cooked builds around here, i noticed the device would stop responding, i tried two of Dutty's, one Vista, the Diamond V1, maybe some other too. They all had this issue, so i just waited for the official one, hoping that the freezes would be gone. They weren't.
So here's how i fixed it:
I flashed back the original 6.0 official ROM and saw there were no hangs / freezes. So the HW was ok.
After that i flashed the official wm 6.1 from HTC. Then i followed the "Idiot steps" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335568) without any shortcuts (first 14 steps, i skipped step 15 ) and used the 6.1 ROM, not the 6.0 ROM to obtain the nbh file. Flashed the official SPL and hard reset.
All is well now (except i have to remove HTC Home and soft reset to use iGo).
No freezes for a day.
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Just flashed the official new rom om my brand new phone and I´m not having any freezing issues. The phone was not hardspl as it was new out of the box.
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This supports my theory that 6.1 needs another SPL, probably not compatible with the old HardSPL
xwaiz said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2230736&postcount=206
It seems change the pagepool to 16MB helped. I tested, it works for me.
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what is the original pagepool of the WM6.1 ROM just in case I want to revert back to it?
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This supports my theory that 6.1 needs another SPL, probably not compatible with the old HardSPL
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Just one question. What Country ID I should set in htc rom tool, to make it look exactly like UK htc branded kaiser?
hi guys,ok that's my problem:i've upgraded to gullum's coffie rom and then i wanted to pass to the Touch X but it failed(i don't know why....)so,to bring back to life my s200,i used the only rom that works, RUU_Prophet_215738_2157127_023021_QTEK_FRE_Ship_NoVendorID
but i really don't want it,i want to upgrade to wm6.1;so,how can i upgrade my spl??i tried with one file but it seems not to work,now i've 2.15.0000 SPL please help me,i've read all the posts but nothing seems to work maybe i make mistakes thanks guys
djmattm said:
hi guys,ok that's my problem:i've upgraded to gullum's coffie rom and then i wanted to pass to the Touch X but it failed(i don't know why....)so,to bring back to life my s200,i used the only rom that works, RUU_Prophet_215738_2157127_023021_QTEK_FRE_Ship_NoVendorID
but i really don't want it,i want to upgrade to wm6.1;so,how can i upgrade my spl??i tried with one file but it seems not to work,now i've 2.15.0000 SPL please help me,i've read all the posts but nothing seems to work maybe i make mistakes thanks guys
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It appears you have a G3 device. You'll need to HardSPL or SoftSPL your device to flash a new ROM. If you want no risk of permanent damage, try SoftSPL first, make sure that works, and then maybe try hardSPL.
Hi,
Rogers released new dream rom with a radio update.
We have 62.50S.20.17H_2.22.19.26I now
This new is:
62.52S.20.18U_3.22.20.17.
Anyone able to get it out so we can flash it on cyan latest mod rom?
Dont know exact radio version but go here for rom:
http://www.htc.com/ca/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=269&cat=2&dl_id=654
Thanks again.
the whole dump is an nbh file that has to be flashed from the sd. Anybody know how to crack it open?
I bet it contains other fixes as well! The message on Twitter said that they fixed some bugs!
jubeh said:
the whole dump is an nbh file that has to be flashed from the sd. Anybody know how to crack it open?
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I remember back when I had my Wizard, there was a tool to pick apart nbh images and reassemble them. But this was for Windows Mobile, a completely different platform. Perhaps the basic file formats are similar?
Use qmat. It can unpack nbhs.
Mmmm, new radio.......yummy.....I like new stuff.....wait if it is a new radio, will this be able to work for us, how to we know that this won't jeprodize us with the danger spl. I know I ain't gonna be the first to try this
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Mmmm, new radio.......yummy.....I like new stuff.....wait if it is a new radio, will this be able to work for us, how to we know that this won't jeprodize us with the danger spl. I know I ain't gonna be the first to try this
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my thoughts exactly...took enough balls to go for the danger SPL in the first place.
my current radio works fine, so I am not going to mess.
then again...never say never. thats what XDA is all about
Well we know the radio calls the spl and that the old radio was not able to call the hayruko spl which cause way too many paperweights so how will we know if this radio will also call it, we can assume that since it is an update would but the word assume means to make an ass out of you and me, so is there any way that this can be checked or tested numerous times before we possibly get another wave of bricks and without a cupcake over the air excuse to fall back on. Just my thoughts.
Never change a running system my father tells. Me all the time.. ;-)
Yeah but I like new stuff, I got so used to it feeling like christmas around with new stuff all the time that I got spoiled. I have had this radio and spl for 3 months now and I am bored off it. I demand something new that could cause some new widespread havoc, can't we get something that causes a self destruct if installed incorrectly, kinda jealous of those iphone 3gs users and their exploding batteries, I want something that explodes and catches fire. I demand a refund what am I paying you dev for, wait I don't pay you, nevermind forget this whole post
P.s. I am just playing
rogers is DREA210
we have mostly DREA100/110
i dont think we r able to flash it...
Hardware is identical.
So it should work OK.
Just give me radio Rom only and i will flash it asap.
drea110 here.
You can go back to default by flashing DREAIMG.nbh and then re-flash with this Rom and all will be OK.BUT YOU WILL LOOSE ROOT!
And that is why i didn't flash it yet
Am waiting for someone to give a proper radio Rom to flash.
There will always be a question about whether any new radio image (IPL) that ships will be compatible with a hacked SPL or other SPL not intended for the specific device. This new IPL could very well brick every device it is installed on when mixed with the deathSPL. I very strongly suggest that nobody tries this IPL unless they switch back to their STOCK SPL. Now that HTC has so kindly provided the kernel source needed to build custom kernels that will boot on a stock dream as provided to rogers, there is absolutely NO NEED to continue using the deathSPL phone killer.
Hey, does this nbh file carry the SPL? (it must, doesn't it?)
If it does, then you could maybe just install this and reroot.
Yes it contains spl and radio rom and os rom on it so it will put back everything on stock.
But you will loose root and as of now there is no way to root on 1.5 version.. yet.
if there is i would flash it.
Re-root leave radio and check spl version.
if newer than deathspl would leave it and flash cyanogen 4.0.4.
If not reflash haykuro new hacked spl back and then wipe and flash cyanogen 4.0.4.
And am back in bussiness with new radio and/or spl.
But rooting on 1.5 cupcake needed to do that so...
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Yes it contains spl and radio rom and os rom on it so it will put back everything on stock.
But you will loose root and as of now there is no way to root on 1.5 version.. yet.
if there is i would flash it.
Re-root leave radio and check spl version.
if newer than deathspl would leave it and flash cyanogen 4.0.4.
If not reflash haykuro new hacked spl back and then wipe and flash cyanogen 4.0.4.
And am back in bussiness with new radio and/or spl.
But rooting on 1.5 cupcake needed to do that so...
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Really REALLY WRONG!
As I rank your knowledge about SPLs,Radios and android itself with this post, you shouldn't flash this, except if you wouldn't cry and open up a thread "My G1 is dead" ;-)
maxisma said:
Really REALLY WRONG!
As I rank your knowledge about SPLs,Radios and android itself with this post, you shouldn't flash this, except if you wouldn't cry and open up a thread "My G1 is dead" ;-)
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And you base that on what?
1.5 is rootable - look for "goldcard"
Second: This update has a different SPL - It's not an Engineering SPL.
It replaces your recovery.
And I think these Recovery and ROM wouldn't boot on a regular T-Mobile G1, because it has a different radio chip.
It's very risky to flash this, because it's from a different phone.
It's NOT the same hardware!
maxisma said:
1.5 is rootable - look for "goldcard"
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I hope this is not a very stupid question, but why would you need a goldcard. Can't you just revert to RC29 and root you device the old and easy way?
maxisma said:
1.5 is rootable - look for "goldcard"
Second: This update has a different SPL - It's not an Engineering SPL.
It replaces your recovery.
And I think these Recovery and ROM wouldn't boot on a regular T-Mobile G1, because it has a different radio chip.
It's very risky to flash this, because it's from a different phone.
It's NOT the same hardware!
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Of course i didn't expect it to be engineering spl, this rom are made of normal ppl to use not experiment so normal spl would be on it but maybe the same as g1 or newer.
rogers only modification was on UMTS 850 / 1900 bands the normal g1 only supports UMTS 1700 / 2100 but rogers g1 users did flash radio rom from g1 vanilla see hardspl or even haykuro's hacked spl and they work fine so why not the contrary?
After all they keep the same base versions:
We have 62.50S.20.17H_2.22.19.26I
They have 62.52S.20.18U_3.22.20.17.
If they had: 3.0008 i wouldn't bother smells from miles is not same radio hardware
But as you can see the code is identical to each other, only newer!
The hardware IS the same my friend only they dont have dvt only pvt motherboards and they all be flashed with latest haykuro's spl and radio!
If am wrong the os will load but i wont have cell reception but that is as far as it goes for a brick.
Am 99% this rom will do just fine on any pvt g1 phone out there.
As for goldcard, didnt know there is a way to root on 1.5 please enlighten me.
Is there anything to download to make this happen? ->link
if it is am more than 101% that this rom will go on my phone sweet.
After that i dont know what happens will i be able to flash haykuro spl back or i will have a brick? will it let me flash custom rom?
Over and out.
i know its probably been posted 93578 times before, but i just want to 100% confirm here before i mod my new G1.
my last one, i accidentally installed SPL first before updating the radio, i didnt see any of the warnings before doing so, but now i know...live and learn i guess.
so....my new one, which is RC33, i know how to get it to RC29. ill do that, then root it.
after that, is this the correct process?
i was going to install the haykuro spl. but first, i read that one board wouldnt work, PVT or the other one i cant remember.
mine is PVT.
if thats the correct board, i can update the radio, install haykuro spl, then install the rom? i want Cyanogen, i believe is was 4.0.4, or whatever his latest stable version is. im not even sure ill like it, but thats the one i want to try, my friend runs that same setup (haykuro spl, Cyanogen rom) and he likes it.
also, at what point should i install the latest recovery? after radio update?
i dont wanna brick this phone hahah
thanks for any help and sorry if i asked questions that you guys answer on a daily basis
Don't be sorry. Next time post in the the appropriate section of the forum. Q&A
opps....lol
BoJANGLES!
ufvj217 said:
i know its probably been posted 93578 times before, but i just want to 100% confirm here before i mod my new G1.
my last one, i accidentally installed SPL first before updating the radio, i didnt see any of the warnings before doing so, but now i know...live and learn i guess.
so....my new one, which is RC33, i know how to get it to RC29. ill do that, then root it.
after that, is this the correct process?
i was going to install the haykuro spl. but first, i read that one board wouldnt work, PVT or the other one i cant remember.
mine is PVT.
if thats the correct board, i can update the radio, install haykuro spl, then install the rom? i want Cyanogen, i believe is was 4.0.4, or whatever his latest stable version is. im not even sure ill like it, but thats the one i want to try, my friend runs that same setup (haykuro spl, Cyanogen rom) and he likes it.
also, at what point should i install the latest recovery? after radio update?
i dont wanna brick this phone hahah
thanks for any help and sorry if i asked questions that you guys answer on a daily basis
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PVT will work =D congratulations it's not really bricked... but yeah update the radio, then the SPL, then the ROM. the latest stable cyanogen is 4.1.9.2 if you ask me... still considered experimental but it's stable and solid and will probably be the basis for the actual stable 4.2 update...