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Hi guys, i am not sure whether this is new for you or not!!!
http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Transla...e=article&sid=161&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Landscape mode, totally cool! Cant wait until I get one!

Landscape should be available on the XDA2 if they release a WM2003SE ROM

Will O2 make the update available for free?

Isn't that the most dreadful machine translation!!

Is that just me or XDA 3 screen looks a bit yeollwish compare to XDA2?

Will O2 make the update available for free?
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They already did a free update for the XDA2 which was WM2003SP1 (at www.my-xda.com) so if they did a WM2003SE update it would probably also be free. They might not do one at all, though.
Is that just me or XDA 3 screen looks a bit yeollwish compare to XDA2?
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Probably just crap photography. Most advertising pics are taken in a professional studio and then enhanced somewhat, while independant low budget review pics are usually just snaps in mediocre office/home lighting.

The SP1 release was free from MS to the vendors. The SE release is going to cost them money, plus implementation time, so I expect they will charge us. Typically I've seen this to be about $30, perfectly reasonable considering all the work it takes.

well if they do then it would still be easy to share it (but of cause illegal)
unless they got some new copyprotection like activation in xp

unless they got some new copyprotection like activation in xp
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I don't think they'd bother arsing around with that. They'd probably bite the bullet and take the cash from those who hand it over. Then if you phone up for support with your XDA2 and they ask what your OS is, and you say 2003 SE, they say "Oh, sorry, we only have you down as having 2003. We can't support whatever rogue installation you've got." Not that you'd actually get much support for your XDA2 anyway..
I would imagine most of our warrantees are already invalid after all the unlocking & patching, though

http://www.expansys.com.hk/product.asp?code=I-MATE_III
IF you havnt seen this yet, you can pre order it from expansys.com, from any EU site and HK, CN, NOT AUS. Shame. Sounds like next month they say! Cant wait!
my 2 cents!

At&t Fuze Announced.

http://www.intomobile.com/2008/09/18/att-blackberry-bold-delayed-until-november.html
According To Some leaked info from intomobile, the release date of the HTC TOUCH PRO AKA the Att Fuze, will be released october 23!!!!!
WOOT!!!!!! =D

thank God! my 8525 is on it's last legs, hopefully i can get another month out of it

Just a little bump =D

Now i'm split on whether to jump on the Sprint version, or wait it out for the ATT version...

Fuze = Touch Pro? Is there much difference between the Touch Pro and the TouchHD? Just wondering. I'm on AT&T and have a tilt now and have pretty much given up on the proper display drivers ever coming out. I'm hearing about TouchHD, and now about Fuze... just wondering if I should wait till TouchHD is available from AT&T...

The fuze is the Touch Pro, the TouchHD probably won't be out for a while as it was just now publicly announced by HTC.

theres a whole thread titled the fuze i guess it got lost in the jumble somewhere
but im another person whose 8525 wants to give up so the quicker the fuze shows up the better

Shinare said:
Fuze = Touch Pro? Is there much difference between the Touch Pro and the TouchHD? Just wondering. I'm on AT&T and have a tilt now and have pretty much given up on the proper display drivers ever coming out. I'm hearing about TouchHD, and now about Fuze... just wondering if I should wait till TouchHD is available from AT&T...
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To recap:
Fuze = Touch Pro, except AT&T is getting rid of the front camera, adding a PTT button (below the volume buttons), and may or may not change the keyboard layout (symbols instead of numbers on the top row). Plus some software is removed (but apparently can be added back in from various ROMs/CABs).
Touch HD (vs Touch Pro) = larger screen (3.8") with higher resolution (800x480), no keyboard, built-in 3.5mm headphone jack, 5mp camera but no flash; most other specs are the same. There is no info on if/when AT&T might be getting the TouchHD. But the TouchHD is listed as a UMTS900/2100 device, so there's a good chance that there will be a delay before AT&T gets a UMTS850/1900 version, just like the delay with the Touch Pro/Fuze.
Of course, nothing is really set in stone until we see some official announcements, so it's up to you how you want to play your cards

fhsieh said:
To recap:
Fuze = Touch Pro, except AT&T is getting rid of the front camera, adding a PTT button (below the volume buttons), and may or may not change the keyboard layout (symbols instead of numbers on the top row). Plus some software is removed (but apparently can be added back in from various ROMs/CABs).
Touch HD (vs Touch Pro) = larger screen (3.8") with higher resolution (800x480), no keyboard, built-in 3.5mm headphone jack, 5mp camera but no flash; most other specs are the same. There is no info on if/when AT&T might be getting the TouchHD. But the TouchHD is listed as a UMTS900/2100 device, so there's a good chance that there will be a delay before AT&T gets a UMTS850/1900 version, just like the delay with the Touch Pro/Fuze.
Of course, nothing is really set in stone until we see some official announcements, so it's up to you how you want to play your cards
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you also have to wonder if att will ever get the touch HD since it is direct competition with the iphone just like att never got the original touch or the diamond as of yet
fuze all the way

lbhocky19 said:
you also have to wonder if att will ever get the touch HD since it is direct competition with the iphone just like att never got the original touch or the diamond as of yet
fuze all the way
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Yes, true. But that would be a lot more speculative. After all, AT&T could also win over more customers by offering two top-end devices side-by-side (for all the people who have been wanting an iPhone-like device but haven't switched to AT&T because they either need WM or don't want iTunes).
But then again, AT&T is having issues with its network so it may be smart for them not to bite off more than they can chew.

Fuze it is then, thanks for the info. Hopefully that PTT button can be remapped to something else. No sad loss on the front camera, no vid call here anyway. The HD really looks like what I want, but if its going to be a long time or possibly never... Hoping with all the great talent here working on the Raphael there will be some great ROMs to replace the stock AT&T one with. The ROM listed in my sig will probably be the last ROM I download for my tilt.

Shinare said:
Fuze it is then, thanks for the info. Hopefully that PTT button can be remapped to something else. No sad loss on the front camera, no vid call here anyway. The HD really looks like what I want, but if its going to be a long time or possibly never... Hoping with all the great talent here working on the Raphael there will be some great ROMs to replace the stock AT&T one with. The ROM listed in my sig will probably be the last ROM I download for my tilt.
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the HD just dont work for me i need a keyboard
and hopefully when the fuze comes out someone will be nice enoug to actually tell me how to flash roms and all that. i have a 8525 now and its practically dead but ive never figured out the whole rom changing stuff so for future reference thanks to anyone whose helpfull

Shinare said:
Fuze it is then, thanks for the info. Hopefully that PTT button can be remapped to something else. No sad loss on the front camera, no vid call here anyway. The HD really looks like what I want, but if its going to be a long time or possibly never... Hoping with all the great talent here working on the Raphael there will be some great ROMs to replace the stock AT&T one with. The ROM listed in my sig will probably be the last ROM I download for my tilt.
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Dude I'm using the same ROM on my Tilt and love it!!! It's now the most usable it's ever been...and of course that would happen when I'm about to upgrade to a new device

talk about fuzeee
any pricing talk?

lbhocky19 said:
talk about fuzeee
any pricing talk?
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Most likely $299 with 2 year contract after $100 rebate with an applicable data plan.
I hate the title of this thread, the Fuze was never ANNOUNCED by AT&T, so it's completely misleading.

thedocrn said:
Dude I'm using the same ROM on my Tilt and love it!!! It's now the most usable it's ever been...and of course that would happen when I'm about to upgrade to a new device
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I agree completely. Best ROM for the tilt.

Thundarr The Barbarian said:
Most likely $299 with 2 year contract after $100 rebate with an applicable data plan.
I hate the title of this thread, the Fuze was never ANNOUNCED by AT&T, so it's completely misleading.
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I think the title implies that the AT&T Fuze was announced, not that AT&T announced the Fuze. A subtle but significant distinction. Either way i can't wait to buy one.
lbhocky19 said:
the HD just dont work for me i need a keyboard and hopefully when the fuze comes out someone will be nice enoug to actually tell me how to flash roms and all that. i have a 8525 now and its practically dead but ive never figured out the whole rom changing stuff so for future reference thanks to anyone whose helpfull
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There will be loads of information on how to flash, I'm sure it will be essentially the same as in the diamond and kiaser forum. Do some reading before you get it so you'll be all prepared.

^^^Well, regardless, it was not announced by anyone but bloggers that saw the same sheet we did.
Here's my prediction: I think AT&T is going to ANNOUNCE the Fuze on October 23rd, 1 week after Sprint releases it (exclusivity rights?)... Then RELEASE it November 16-22, at least 1 month after Sprint. I don't really think it's reasonable to expect a release date of 10/23 based on a marketing road map we got a peek at, so that's all I'm going to venture a guess at for now. Oh, and for some reason I don't think it's coming in 5 days, like someone said before.

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^^^Well, regardless, it was not announced by anyone but bloggers that saw the same sheet we did.
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I'm gonna have to disagree and say that a blogger posting these dates would constitute and announcement, even if it turns out to be incorrect. I heard the 29th of september too, but i don't think that person knew what they were talking about. I think the site referenced by the OP is far more reliable. I am definitely hoping for an October release however, as i'd like to have mine before i head on vacation over thanksgiving.
Get to use 3G on my phone for the first time...

The person who predicted a release at the end of September has long since abandoned that position; maybe you missed the thread, but when the person who claimed his brother is an AT&T VP said that the actual date was 10/15, the September guy agreed that that was pretty close to the actual date (which, he said, had changed shortly before); this was a couple of weeks ago. Whether it actually changed then or the earlier information was just wrong, I don't have any clue, but AFAIK, no one is now forecasting a release this month.
In any event, as for me, I'm going to wait at least until 11/3, when Sony Ericsson has promised news on the release of the Xperia X1 in North America. Although I think the Touch Pro is a better device in most ways, the extra resolution on the X1 is really decisive for me. If that announcement includes AT&T, I'll wait for the X1. If not, I'll probably pick up a Fuze as soon thereafter as it's available. (What I'd really rather have is the Touch HD, with the same resolution as the X1 and without the extra bulk of a keyboard that I'll never use, but given the usual time frame on HTC devices, I really don't want to wait until next spring/summer before replacing my current phone.)

We are idiots, not HTC!

Do you think when you buy a porsche or a ferrari and you can not drive because the wheel fell of or the windshield blew off in the middle of nowhere the factory tells you: oh sorry this a new model, you keep testing it and maybe if we get enough complaints we will fix it. NO!
When you pay top dollar you get a device that works out of the box,period.
HTC is using us as their testers, but makes us pay a 1000$ for it and lose our time perfecting a half-product they placed on the market before it should be released, plus the customer service treats us as idiots and lies directly : oh we got a lot of good feedback...(yeah right like I was going to call them to say how good a device is), or we dont know anything about a gps lag....f*uck you sit in the car a take a drive idiot!!
The last time I bought HTC!
Getting a nokia. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

So, what you're saying is HTC is just like Windows? ;-)

i agree htc brings out to many high tech phones.with a very high price tag.but there are always major bugs.no kinda of exception for a $900 usd phone that all of sudden does't have 3g.
now most us owners lost a good $300 of the price in less than a month because it doesn't support 3g.htc doesn't even say there working on a new radio.
i know apple brings out a new product every 90 days,at least they listen and stay with product updates.

zex11 said:
Do you think when you buy a porsche or a ferrari and you can not drive because the wheel fell of or the windshield blew off in the middle of nowhere the factory tells you: oh sorry this a new model, you keep testing it and maybe if we get enough complaints we will fix it. NO!
When you pay top dollar you get a device that works out of the box,period.
HTC is using us as their testers, but makes us pay a 1000$ for it and lose our time perfecting a half-product they placed on the market before it should be released, plus the customer service treats us as idiots and lies directly : oh we got a lot of good feedback...(yeah right like I was going to call them to say how good a device is), or we dont know anything about a gps lag....f*uck you sit in the car a take a drive idiot!!
The last time I bought HTC!
Getting a nokia. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Oh come on. Everyone knows that if you are an early adopter, things never work quite as they ought to. Happens with every major tech release. It shouldn't but it does.
The reality is that the majority of features on the TP work just fine and fortunately thanks to the geniuses on this forum, the GPS lag has been all but eliminated. No doubt at some point (provided we press HTC), a fix will be released.
So when you get your Nokia, you should look forward to a whole different set of problems - no platform is even close to perfect.

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i agree htc brings out to many high tech phones.with a very high price tag.but there are always major bugs.no kinda of exception for a $900 usd phone that all of sudden does't have 3g.
now most us owners lost a good $300 of the price in less than a month because it doesn't support 3g.htc doesn't even say there working on a new radio.
i know apple brings out a new product every 90 days,at least they listen and stay with product updates.
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This post I really can't agree with, when they released it they never intended it for North American sale, and you knew that when you bought it. Did you read the part in the specs where it said UMTS 900/2100? If you did, you should've said "hey, this doesn't work with 3G on AT&T... I'm not going to buy it." Why don't we blame Toyota for their Corolla not running on diesel? Oh yeah, because it was never meant to.

When I got my N95, the battery life was terrible, it kept running out of memory and i had to use hacks to bypass their silly protection and install unsigned apps. I also had to use nemesis suite to hack the device and change the product code to prevent it from loosing Greek when I used Nokia's updater to upgrade the firmware, which cannot be downgraded and now, newer devices and latest firmwares cannot be hacked yet, so if you do buy one you won't be able to install unsigned apps.
At least with HTCs we have this magnificent community to create custom ROMs and rectify most problems. Just my .2 cents

Hands down...best $1100 I've spent in a long time. I knew going into it that I wouldn't have 3G here in the US. The advantages I have over my T-Mobile Wing (US HTC Phone) is countless. I have minimal glitches, but with all phones that do more than make calls, it is to be expected. I'll be a beta tester anytime for HTC!

i totally agree with the OP,in other hand if the devices were perfect we would not have XDA devs
what 1 must realize in todays competitive markets things get rushed out the door to make a buck ,hence why all devices will be never out of beta stage. there is 2 solutions for the problem; 1- stop buying new devices .2- learn to live with it.

well the thing is that HTC doesent even want to realize that their devices have flaws. And all the flaws are software related. In other words fixable. just look at the TyTn2 and the driver issues there. There still is no fix from HTC. And people here on the forum had to use drivers from the Diamond to fix it. HTC just keeps on making excuses like the HTC Pro was never ment to be a multimedia device when support is confronted with the fact that the TP plays video poorer that the Diamond. I know that the pro istn a multimedia device. But i expect that the hardware that i have paid alot of money for actually does what its supposed to. Why on earth shouldnt it? I love my TP, but HTC should reallt take care of their reputation..

faria said:
i totally agree with the OP,in other hand if the devices were perfect we would not have XDA devs
what 1 must realize in todays competitive markets things get rushed out the door to make a buck ,hence why all devices will be never out of beta stage. there is 2 solutions for the problem; 1- stop buying new devices .2- learn to live with it.
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ey man nice to see you again here...
take care and hope everything will be nice for you and yours....
Cheers

I've been developing software for mobile devices for five years, and worked with hundreds of models of handset from Europe and North America. I'd rate HTC devices as "above average" in terms of quality. Nokia are neither better nor worse. Get the first Nokia models of a new series, you're in for some "fun".
I have a Nokia. The MP3 player causes the phone to reboot randomly. If I cross timezones, then when I get home, some birthdays in the calendar have moved to the wrong day. Sometimes, it suddenly stops working, saying that the "SIM Locked", and I can't make or receive calls until I reboot it. It's Orange branded, so the Nokia firmware update tool won't support it. Other than that, it works a treat...
I could give you a similar list of problems with other Nokia models, or Sony Ericssons, or Motorolas... and I wouldn't even consider a Samsung, NEC or LG.

And I suspect that anyone buying a Ferrari for the reliability will be sorely disappointed.

Kevven said:
well the thing is that HTC doesent even want to realize that their devices have flaws. And all the flaws are software related. In other words fixable. just look at the TyTn2 and the driver issues there. There still is no fix from HTC. And people here on the forum had to use drivers from the Diamond to fix it. HTC just keeps on making excuses like the HTC Pro was never ment to be a multimedia device when support is confronted with the fact that the TP plays video poorer that the Diamond. I know that the pro istn a multimedia device. But i expect that the hardware that i have paid alot of money for actually does what its supposed to. Why on earth shouldnt it? I love my TP, but HTC should reallt take care of their reputation..
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and they will never fix that issue because their attention is in the new devices...sad but true.
@jcespi2005
thanks! and the same to you and yours.nice to see you here

It seems to me that what's getting under your skin the most is that customer service is saying their aren't serious problems, and that the phone is primarily working as intended.
Well, thats their job. Have you not ever seen a CSC in person at a corporate office? It's a bunch of highschool grads who don't know anything about anything that just talk nice, create a ticket in whatever helpdesk software they are using, and forward it or close it.
Just call in, politely state your problem, and if they get enough calls logged, development takes notice and things get fixed.
I think what you need more than an $1100 phone, is a $20.00 script for Xanax. Best of luck with Nokia though.

Mobile phone manufacturer in 'not everything works properly' shocker.
Our brand new Audi had a digital display that was on the blink from the moment we bought it. And sometimes the front windows would lower themselves 6 inches after you'd locked the car and walked away. Lots of other owners had the same thing. Think Audi fixed it? Fixed any of them? The replacement Porsche (I'm not showing off here by the way) has an lumpy idle, unreliable horn and the steering pulls harshly to the left. Fixes from Porsche? As if.
In common with a previous poster, my experience with Nokias was far more frustrating than with HTC. And if you want diabolical, allow me a few hours to relate my experience of being the fairly happy owner of a Sony Ericsson P800 even happier with the P900 and then to be floored by the abomination that was the P910. Never never again.
Yes mobile phone manufacturers are guilty of getting things wrong, but in that knowlege, I'm just happy I own an HTC and know about this forum.

rb14 said:
I'm just happy I own an HTC and know about this forum.
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I second that statement!

rb14 said:
Mobile phone manufacturer in 'not everything works properly' shocker.
Our brand new Audi had a digital display that was on the blink from the moment we bought it. And sometimes the front windows would lower themselves 6 inches after you'd locked the car and walked away. Lots of other owners had the same thing. Think Audi fixed it? Fixed any of them? The replacement Porsche (I'm not showing off here by the way) has an lumpy idle, unreliable horn and the steering pulls harshly to the left. Fixes from Porsche? As if.
In common with a previous poster, my experience with Nokias was far more frustrating than with HTC. And if you want diabolical, allow me a few hours to relate my experience of being the fairly happy owner of a Sony Ericsson P800 even happier with the P900 and then to be floored by the abomination that was the P910. Never never again.
Yes mobile phone manufacturers are guilty of getting things wrong, but in that knowlege, I'm just happy I own an HTC and know about this forum.
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Amen to that brother. While I may not own the Touch Pro, Fuze, or whatever the hell you feel like calling it, I know for me personally, HTC has put out some of the best phones I've ever used. I remember way back when, I was in love the Moto Razr (ew, I know) but then I laid eyes on the good ol' boy that was the Cingular 8125 aka the Wizard. I've been hooked on HTC ever since. Lets face it, if you try to go back to a cheesy ass LG or Samsung phone, you're going to be disappointed as all hell. They just don't compare to the customizable nature of the WinMo HTC devices. Granted pretty much all of HTC phones have had (and still have) their share of issues, but lets get real here, they are simply the ****. I've had my 8525 since its release and there's no way I'd switch to the X1 for example. SE?? Would you rather have a WinMo rookie in SE or the season veteran that is HTC? I don't know about you guys, but I like experience.

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I don't know about you guys, but I like experience.
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experience in what? deploying bugs?
@zex11 I agree with you.. but we don't have so many alternatives in WM area.
and nokia is not the solution..

Theutus said:
I think what you need more than an $1100 phone, is a $20.00 script for Xanax. Best of luck with Nokia though.
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Put this in my sig, legendary. haha

Hopefully when Microsoft gets off their lazy asses and overhauls the OS, it will be easier for the manufactures to make a reliable device.

Verizon customer service: No idea about 6.5 update....

I just spoke with Verizon customer service and they have no idea when or IF our Touch Pro 2 will get the Windows 6.5 ROM update.
They tell me this just as they released the same phone minus the external keyboard (Imagio) with Windows 6.5 already installed!
Guess we need to keep waiting.........
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UPDATE: I sent HTC an email asking about the update and this is their response:
Thank you for contacting HTC about updating the Verizon Pro2 to Windows Mobile 6.5.
I understand wanting to keep the device up-to-date. Regretfully, HTC does not currently have a software update for your device. The carriers request all software updates for the devices that they offer from HTC. Once the carrier contacts HTC about updating the software or changes to the devices, HTC’s Research & Development Team work with same department from the carrier to create the software. When and update is created it is tested by the carrier and then HTC host the software on our web site for download by customers free of charge or at http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx. The updates are individually adaptered for each device and carrier.
You can also visit www.hctwiki.com for self-help and to participate in a survey.
Thank you,
Kay
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www.htcwiki.com
I wish their response was that Verizon was currently testing the new ROM. Instead, it seems that HTC has not even received the request from Verizon to get a new ROM ready....... Now I wonder if I should have gotten the Imagio instead.......

i think we are definately going to see the hspl before we see any stock 6.5 roms. and once we get the hspl then its all custom after that anyway. it woulda been fun to play with 6.5 while waiting for the hspl, but oh well
someone from ppcgeeks posted a reply from HTC Support saying they are just about to startdeveloping the new 6.5 Rom updates...so its gonna be awhile if that is true

I was talking to the Verizon guys yesterday and the one I was talking to said there were rumors of the end of this month, but it depends on something with Microsoft. I'm not so sure he understood what I was talking about though, so take it with a grain of salt hah.

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haha. playing the blame game.

verizon customer service
yea verizon just told me the same thing this morning from vz customer service and tech support both said they see nothing in the system and know nothing about a 6.5 rom upgrade its a shame these carriers just dont want to put any effort into the phones

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yea verizon just told me the same thing this morning from vz customer service and tech support both said they see nothing in the system and know nothing about a 6.5 rom upgrade its a shame these carriers just dont want to put any effort into the phones
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Agreed. I dont know what it is like at every carrier...but this phone (HTC TP2) is getting rav reviews and selling out here in the states.. I don't get the lack of motivation...

DragonNote said:
Agreed. I dont know what it is like at every carrier...but this phone (HTC TP2) is getting rav reviews and selling out here in the states.. I don't get the lack of motivation...
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Here's the cynic in me:
A: They've already sold the phone, and they're selling like hotcakes so why change it... then again why put the effort in if they weren't selling? haha
B: Funny thing about them selling out, the local "Premium VZW dealer" (Not actually verizon) doesn't stock HTC phones and only stocks blackberries as they are easier to use... which is funny because they've lost selling at least three premium phones in the last couple weeks amongst my friends.
I am getting tired of winmo bashing.

I actually talked to their tech support a few days ago and he said that it was in the cards, but there wasn't an official date yet. Perhaps they're modifying the ROM for their services *shrugs*

Nah eff that, if verizon does some stupid modifying for there server, i really hope we get a hard-spl soon. I never really cared if we did itd be nice ofcourse. But thats why verizon phones suck so much is there damn way they do there stuff.

I would imagine that they would want to push out 6.5 to the few thousand people who have 6.1 Touch Pro 2's. I'm sure they don't want to have to support both 6.5 and 6.1 on tech support as it would increase costs. Hopefully, the hold up is related to tweaks HTC and Verizon are making to fix the annoying little things. Maybe we'll see the update when the TP2's get back in stock as they probably want all of them to be the same.

I just talked with a couple of verizon business reps and its rumored internally with the company that the 6.5 rom will be released the end of OCT. Microsofts website states OCT/NOV.

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I would imagine that they would want to push out 6.5 to the few thousand people who have 6.1 Touch Pro 2's. I'm sure they don't want to have to support both 6.5 and 6.1 on tech support as it would increase costs. Hopefully, the hold up is related to tweaks HTC and Verizon are making to fix the annoying little things. Maybe we'll see the update when the TP2's get back in stock as they probably want all of them to be the same.
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It seems to me a little weird that they all of a sudden where out of stock a few days before 6.5 and the new Imagio phone. I think like on the Storm they have just taken them out of circulation and when they return the new ones will have 6.5 and we will have a new ROM. This happened twice with the Storm when it got updates to the Blackberry OS. It was out of stock for 3 weeks when the current update was rolled out then all of a sudden it was in stock again and the update was on their site. I'm kinda wandering if when we get 6.5 we are also gonna see the phone having VCast TV like the Imagio. Its probably hardware capable. Of course its been out for three years now and its still only in the same 20 markets with a promise of more to come that entire time.

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I don't think they're going to release 6.5 for the TP2 ever. Why bother? They can't even manage their own website half the time. Obviously they don't have the resources to upgrade stuff for 'free'.
Plus, even if they did, I wouldn't bother, assuming XDA cracks this bastard.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be HTC to release the update anyway??

Got 2 ROM ups for my Titan before, so..........
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I don't think they're going to release 6.5 for the TP2 ever. Why bother? They can't even manage their own website half the time. Obviously they don't have the resources to upgrade stuff for 'free'.
Plus, even if they did, I wouldn't bother, assuming XDA cracks this bastard.
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My previous Verizon phone was an XV6800 (Titan) and they came out not with one, but with TWO ROM upgrades during the time I had it, so I have hope that we will get the upgrade soon. Check this website, they have Vendors ROMS for many phones. Hopefully we will see the TP2 listed soon!
http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx

RecTorum said:
My previous Verizon phone was an XV6800 (Titan) and they came out not with one, but with TWO ROM upgrades during the time I had it, so I have hope that we will get the upgrade soon. Check this website, they have Vendors ROMS for many phones. Hopefully we will see the TP2 listed soon!
http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx
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There will be a 6.5 rom update available for our phones. It's just a matter of when. Some say it could be another month or two.

RecTorum said:
My previous Verizon phone was an XV6800 (Titan) and they came out not with one, but with TWO ROM upgrades during the time I had it, so I have hope that we will get the upgrade soon. Check this website, they have Vendors ROMS for many phones. Hopefully we will see the TP2 listed soon!
http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx
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Almost forgot to mention this as well, I had a titan myself, a very useful but unfortunately very underpowered phone. Anyway, in case anyone missed this, here's the estimated time for the 6.5 ROM updates for the TP2's
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/meet/wm65-upgrade.mspx

RecTorum said:
My previous Verizon phone was an XV6800 (Titan) and they came out not with one, but with TWO ROM upgrades during the time I had it, so I have hope that we will get the upgrade soon. Check this website, they have Vendors ROMS for many phones. Hopefully we will see the TP2 listed soon!
http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx
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You stated exactly what I was going to say to him. With the XV6800 sure it was locked out of several things (e.g. GPS) and what not but all ROM updates were FREE to download from the site. Also as most have seen they have released the 6.5 ROM over in Europe, so it is only a matter of time before Verizon releases the ROM. Oh and for those that don't know it is Verizon who choose the date at which to release the ROM, HTC and Microsoft only provide the software.
Anywho...my TP2 rocks and I can't wait for the ROM to be released, 6.5 is an excellent upgrade from 6.1 as far as finger friendly, and touch screen go.

What's the holdup with 2.2?

Another interesting tidbit from the web:
What's the Holdup with Froyo Update? We'll explain...

AT&T is trying to fill the internal SD card with as much bloat as possible, it takes time to make sure the phone will run as crappy as possible.

AT&T and Samsung are both focusing most of their time and energy on their upcoming phones revealed at CES. Samsung is notorious for their slow updates, sometimes they don't even update their phones at all. And AT&T is slow at releasing updates because of having to put all of their bloatware in there
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

The same thing that's been taking so long for it to come out since Day 1. Safe to say I'll never buy another Samsung phone again. Can't wait for the Motorola Atrix 4G to come out. Finally I'll be able to experience Android at it's fullest.

Actually.... http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
The full post is in android central in the vibrant section.

Its not Samsung!!!.. 2.2 is out in the rest of the world!! its AT&T and T-mobile.. that slow things down. Canada's Captivate got the 2.2 update... and the phone just came out their a month ago and the phone is the same as the USA Captivate.... and the other Samsung S phones got the update some over 2 months ago...

devho said:
The same **** that's been taking so long for it to come out since Day 1. Safe to say I'll never buy another Samsung phone again. Can't wait for the Motorola Atrix 4G to come out. Finally I'll be able to experience Android at it's fullest.
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You mean motoblur and a locked bootloader?

New Captivate noob....
Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow. I hope to figure out how to use it as a modem for my Macbook while deployed for some military training. I have been reading as much as I possibly can about this phone and modifying it and feel like I'm trying to get a drink of water from an open fire hydrant....SO MUCH INFO !! I really appreciate the fact that you guys seem to be helpful and am looking forward to "moding" my new phone. I guess my first question is this: Is it possible to use this phone as an access to the internet for my Macbook laptop? I love this computer but didn't want the iphone 'cause it ain't apple's business (or AT&T's) with what I do with it and I don't like "Big Brother" telling me I can't put certain stuff on it. So, is there an app for using the Captivate as a modem for a Mac? Thanks and I'll deploy soon so hope to get this done by then.

bellssn690 said:
Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow. I hope to figure out how to use it as a modem for my Macbook while deployed for some military training. I have been reading as much as I possibly can about this phone and modifying it and feel like I'm trying to get a drink of water from an open fire hydrant....SO MUCH INFO !! I really appreciate the fact that you guys seem to be helpful and am looking forward to "moding" my new phone. I guess my first question is this: Is it possible to use this phone as an access to the internet for my Macbook laptop? I love this computer but didn't want the iphone 'cause it ain't apple's business (or AT&T's) with what I do with it and I don't like "Big Brother" telling me I can't put certain stuff on it. So, is there an app for using the Captivate as a modem for a Mac? Thanks and I'll deploy soon so hope to get this done by then.
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You can either:
-Pay more per month (I think it's $10)
-Install a custom ROM and do it for free
But yes, you can use it as a hotspot for a laptop.

liquid blue said:
Actually.... http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/b...samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
The full post is in android central in the vibrant section.
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I read this earlier today on phandroid. It certainly sounds plausible, and it wouldn't surprise me at all. I sent a tweet to GalaxySSupport about it - can't wait to see what they say about it.

bellssn690 said:
Hello All! I have just ordered my new phone from Amazon and should receive it tomorrow.
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Let me know if this actually happens. I tried, twice, to order a Captivate from AmazonWireless using their 2-day shipping option. When they failed the first time they promised to send it overnight. That one showed up 6 days later and was refused since I had already gone and bought one on sale at Radio Shack. They suck.

Funny reading that article - they make it sound as though the delay is being blamed on the z4root app. seriously? no matter what they do to the next vers. of android. we will root it

Bottom line is these updates are an extremely low priority for Samsung. Dev's here at XDA put together roms in a matter of days and they do it by hacking apart official (or leaked) software from other phones. Imagine if they had access to the driver and kernel source code like Samsung does? Imagine if they were the people who built the hardware and knew all the ins and outs of it? I realize that Samsung has to test their updates a LOT more than dev's here (where we are often the testers), but its been 6 months since the phone's release and over a year since Froyo's release. Not to mention that Samsung has an IT team whereas dev's here are usually 1 person working in their spare time.
Also I wanted to mention that I don't think that AT&T adds the bloatware themselves; I believe Samsung does it according to AT&T's wishes. The few leaked froyo updates we got for the captivate were AT&Tified with bloat and all. Since those were leaks and not nearly done, there is no way they went to AT&T to add in the bloat. Now, that doesn't mean AT&T can't delay the process. I'd imagine they get a chance to test any firmware Samsung gives them and they can reject it back Samsung, wasting more time.
One last point...Why aren't Android versions more independant of drivers and software? When I upgraded Windows from Vista to 7, everything worked right out of the box. It seems like Samsung would have to switch the Android base, fix a few things, test and release? I have no idea why these updates are so complicated that they should take months to complete...
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TheSopranos16 said:
One last point...Why aren't Android versions more independant of drivers and software? When I upgraded Windows from Vista to 7, everything worked right out of the box. It seems like Samsung would have to switch the Android base, fix a few things, test and release? I have no idea why these updates are so complicated that they should take months to complete...
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This is what baffles me. Windows runs on all kinds of different hardware configurations with hardware components from hundreds of different manufacturers. Are these phones so very different that each brand and model requires its own specific variant of Android? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Google hoped to accomplish with Android?
I also don't think AT$T do much, if any, of the actual device testing themselves. I think they simply state their demands to the individual manufacturers as far as what bloatware they want on the phone (and what features they prefer to be crippled). They may develop the bloatware, but the OS is the device manufacturer's responsibility. That said, AT$T is just as culpable for the delay of Froyo since they can bring the pressure to bear to get it done if they really wanted to.

Miami_Son said:
This is what baffles me. Windows runs on all kinds of different hardware configurations with hardware components from hundreds of different manufacturers. Are these phones so very different that each brand and model requires its own specific variant of Android? Isn't that the complete opposite of what Google hoped to accomplish with Android?
I also don't think AT$T do much, if any, of the actual device testing themselves. I think they simply state their demands to the individual manufacturers as far as what bloatware they want on the phone (and what features they prefer to be crippled). They may develop the bloatware, but the OS is the device manufacturer's responsibility. That said, AT$T is just as culpable for the delay of Froyo since they can bring the pressure to bear to get it done if they really wanted to.
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MS have hardware requirements, so they know it will run when they release an update. But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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Its probably been said but it's not $am$ung anymore, its AT$T. They have 2.2 but they are "testing" (filling it with bloatware).
Sent from my Galaxy S Captivate...still no Froyo...

To be honest, now that Roger's release Froyo for their Captivate, there is no point to continue to wait for the AT&T release. The Roger's version even has WiFi hotspot, tethering, and the option to install non-market apps out of the box. This is what I am running with a few tweaks here and there. No complaints.
I have come to the conclusion that I will not buy another branded handset from AT&T ever again. I also will probably not by a Samsung product again for a while as well.

The only reason I want a Stock Froyo release for the captivate is to get Samsung to release the GPL required kernel source. With this, our devs can make ROMS that are faster, and more stable. I am HOPING that the release of Rogers 2.2 firmware means that this source code release is imminent. Otherwise we may have to get involved with pestering Samsung to put the source out.

boborone said:
But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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I'm just going to post what was posted in response to this statement on another thread, just in the intrest of not spreading dis-information
Originally Posted by boborone
At&t stopped the 6.5 win mo update for the fuze so people would buy the tilt 2. Why should this be any different?
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Not sure where you saw that. It was not a AT&T or HTC decision. Microsoft only allowed official WM 6.5 updates for phones with the "Windows" button on them. Since the Fuze had a "home" button, it did not qualify for WM 6.5. If AT&T had held it back, then other Raphael, Diamond, and/or Blackstone handsets (Verizon TP, etc) would have gotten WM 6.5. In fact none of the Raphael, Diamond, or Blackstone phones got WM 6.5.
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boborone said:
MS have hardware requirements, so they know it will run when they release an update. But at&t stopped htc from giving out an update to the fuze so they could sell the tilt 2 to more people
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I'm just going to post what was posted in response to this statement on another thread, just in the intrest of not spreading dis-information
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Thanks for the quote. I find it interesting that boborone admits that Microsoft has hardware requirements but doesn't realize that one of Microsoft's hardware requirements for WM 6.5 was that a 'Windows" button was required.
Honestly, I don't know if AT&T has ever blocked a software/firmware upgrade from a manufacturer in order to sell new phones, but I doubt they make enough money by blocking an update to a 1 year old phone to make any difference. As most people have 2 year contracts, they are not going to upgrade after only 1 year. The iPhone seems to be the notable exception to this, but by allowing iPhone users to upgrade to a new version at a discounted rate after 1 year, AT&T is losing more money than by keeping them on the their old iPhone for an extra 6-12 months. AT&T allows early upgrades in order to extend contracts before they expire and garner customer loyalty. Whether or not my 1 year old Fuze got WM 6.5 or not, I still waited 18 months before upgrading to get the extra discount and the availability of official (or un-official) WM 6.5 for my phone had no impact on my decision...it was all about the extra $50 discount.
In short, I don't think the availability (or lack there-of) of Froyo for the Captivate has anything to do with AT&T trying to make money by getting users to replace the Captivate with a phone that runs Froyo, especially since as of today, the only AT&T phone running Froyo is still the Aria which is a cheaper phone, and even when the Atrix/Infuze/Inspire are released, no Captivate owners (that purchased a Captivate with their new phone discount) will qualify for a new phone yet. Delaying or refusing an update to the Captivate (when other SGS phones are getting Froyo) is much more likely to cost AT&T in the long term as dissatisfied customers go to other carriers.
By far the most likely cause of the delay is exactly what has been said (you just need to read between the lines a little). Samsung said that the delay was due to "complexity issues" last week, and this week the delay is to ensure a "smooth upgrade." Those two pieces of information combined with all the reported upgrade problems on other SGS phones and Kies Mini frequently having issues recognizing that a phone is plugged in cause "complexity" and would result in an upgrade that is not "smooth" for the customers.
The Kies mini problems have to be addressed, and since the US is the only country that uses Kies mini, it only affects US carriers. For me, Kies mini only recognizes my phone about 10% of the time on a Windows XP machine. On my Windows 7 machine, Kies (full version 1.5.0.80) recognizes when my phone is plugged in 100% of the time (even when I do not select Kies for the connection).