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Yep, I solved the battery drain issue....

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I have flashed at least half of the custom ROMs released for my G3 CID-unlocked MDA for the last 15 months. It has given me great respect for the efforts of kyphur, faria, molski, anchillus, and others. I have spent too much time, as well, following events here due to the 2 issues that leave my “Wizard” performing less than its best – the radio rom (stuck on 2.19.11 because of missed calls/messages) and battery life.
I do use a few add-on apps, but the main 3 I add to most ROMs that lack them are: batterystatus, todayagenda, and smartskey. I’ve tried placing the blame on battery life on overclocking (via batterystatus, I’ve run mine at all sorts of different speeds with and without cpuscaler, w/wo boost, w/wo extra indicators, etc.). I have updated, removed, reinstalled, backflashed (to ensure a extended rom was present, as many said this would fix the battery life issue) apps and ROMs and nothing has fixed the battery issue. Seemingly ever since WM6, I have been able to get about 24-36 hours out of my phone, about half of what I got before. Last night I went back to Molski’s Wm5 Aku 3.3 Crossbow ROM and over the course of several hours, battery life held firm. Then I added my push e-mail account and synced my mail for the first time (I have a lot of mail) which took like 10-15 minutes, and I dropped 10% of my charge (all levels reported per batterstatus, whatever the bias). Whoa, I thought. Well, I will chalk it up to a squirrelly initial indication of 100% because it sometimes seems to show that when it has just been unplugged from the charger, even if it soon resets to a more accurate value. Anyway, this morning the battery issue seemed to still be a problem. Could it be push e-mail, I thought?
So, I turned off the immediate send/receive, and my battery life improved a great deal. Wait, I thought, could it actually not be push e-mail (which would stink, because I NEED that), but the SD card access when it stores my attachments to SD causing the drain (this was suggested some time ago, but I couldn’t recreate at the time, because the CABs supplied didn’t resolve the issue)? I decided to check. I changed the push settings back to immediate (true push, not SMS triggered) and told the ROM to store attachments in main memory again. And guess what? My battery drain issue appears to be fixed!
I really hope this may be the case. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that all the power users here are setting the option to store to SD card, or running apps off the SD card.
* MORE UPDATES*
I have been testing this theory for several days, and I can say with absolute certainty that the above fixed my battery issue. Some (WM6 and WM5) ROMs are better than others in this respect, but it is definitely fixed - life improved in all of them. I am currently using Business Edition v2 and it often shows 24mA consumption in BS. I am now seeing consumption under standby conditions of just a hair over 1% per hour, and excellent life even when I am working on it, using the phone, etc. And this is with bluetooth on, push e-mail, etc.
I admit I was surprised at the relatively limited response when I first posted, because this appears to be a gripe for a lot of people. Maybe I overestimated that....if it helps a post here would be nice, if only so others see it and can help themselves.
Thanks again to all the ROM cookers!

This could in fact improve the battery status for many people, and if so congrats on an awesome find.
However I do not have a data plan (being the poor college student that I am), therefore do not use push email. My battery life is similar to yours and I can stretch to maybe near 48hrs if there is very very little use of my wizard....
But I am glad we are on the right track
Zack

This might be it
I never thought of that. You just sparked something though. On both my HTC Wizard and my old MPx200, which has a full size SD card slot, I remember when I let the power completely drain out that one of the first things I couldn't access was the SD Card slot. I remember being surprised when I couldn't find it.
Nice Job! I'm willing to test with you but I will have to wait for two more weeks. I'm a freshman in high school and have final exams.

Good Looks
Good find, I went to do this and it turns out that I had it already set to that . Also, when not using your phone turn the screen off and while you are in call turn the screen off by pressing the power button up top. Also, changing the brightness of the screen has really helped my battery out and the fact that I had a bad extended rom. with all that said and your finding my battery has been great. and AHHH finals week here for me.. I feel for you guys.. Mine start tomorrow! BOOOO

You mean you ever made it more then 24 hours?
My Wizard needs charged every night. It's usually chirping by the time I get home from work
I do have push email set up though so I attributed that to Push.
Battery life is a bit of a bummer on these devices, but that's why I have a charger at home, in the car, and at my office, haha

Push definitely hurts battery life a bit, and that should be expected, but I have been using that for about a year and I really suspect that it is the combination of the original batteries getting "old" at 1 year and this SD card issue that is causing the accelerated decline. I am still optimistic, and my drain is still not too bad, so hopefully I can just learn to live with "fetching" my attachments to SD only when I need to see them (vs. having Messaging pull all of them automatically) to reclaim several hours to a day of battery life.

I can make it 24 hours. Usually at the end of the day say 10 or 11 my battery life is till about 50%. I tested it that night and didnt have to recharge till around 4pm the next day.

I'm sure that vettejock99 is on the right track for some users. My mail program (Xpress Mail) doesn't use the SD, so this wasn't an issue for me - only GPRS usage. When I use the card / applications that access the card, my consumption goes way up. I can see where an app that always runs in the bg and constantly reading/writing to the SD could have a huge effect on battery life, in addition to hardware that's left on - such as Wifi or beam.
-Matt

I don't know what u guys are talking about here. I use the Faria Vanilla ROM and my battery lasts for 96 hours, it's amazing! But when used other roms I never had my battery last less than 48 hours.
One more suggestion about the battry life: always close all active programs. They really drain the battery. I tested it luanching 15 applications at a time, and guess what happened? The battery lost 50% in 15 minutes. So, that might be one of the other factors...
Oh, and here is one last thing. The battery drain is also high when the phone network is unavailable. If u leave your phone somewhere where there is no network signal it will automatically try to search the network every n minutes. So, that also causes huge power drain.

I wonder if this little SD card thing affecting the battery drain isn't noticed when surfing the net. I set the temp folder on the sd card for IE...just a thought

anichillus said:
I wonder it this little SD card thing affecting the battery drain isn't noticed when surfing the net. I set the temp folder on the sd card for IE...just a thought
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I dunno, maybe (as was speculated some time ago) the power management is turned on/off by one activity such as surfing w/cache to SD and handled differently when writing attachments......

By way of an update, I ALMOST added earlier today that my consumption was creeping back up again, though it still seemed to be about 20% lower (better) than before. I decided to uninstall TodayAgenda and BatteryStatus from the Molski ROM (the versions integrated into it), even though that would make it less desirable to use. The drain still seemed to be creeping up. I was troubled. Then I realized I had installed Today Commander earlier today to ensure I had an extended rom, which I did in fact have (check that box). Well, I installed it to the SD card - so I uninstalled it. And I removed my SD card. And once again, it appears that my consumption is back down. I have used 1% in the last hour, and that is something I have been unable to accomplish in some time. So.....I could be wrong, but I really think this SD card thing has something to do with it.
I remain hopeful this is it, and there is a way we can fix it, or that I can ultimately leave the SD card in at least, and install apps to memory (as there is plenty of room for my needs) and only pull attachments to SD as needed.

Anyone else looking into this?

last bump - updated OP

I thought I remembered seeing a registry hack, or something to that effect, which turned off the polling of the SD slot. I think it was supposed to dramatically improve battery drain times. I'll take a look around for the hack, maybe I'm just dreaming though.

Pastamancer said:
I thought I remembered seeing a registry hack, or something to that effect, which turned off the polling of the SD slot. I think it was supposed to dramatically improve battery drain times. I'll take a look around for the hack, maybe I'm just dreaming though.
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You did, it's out there. Didn't help mine, though. I think that is because the polling does represent some drain, but it appears the actual writing/reading drain is the substantial part.

look here i think i solve this problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1259754#post1259754

increasing paging pool of the ROM causes the battery to roll down heavilly.. this was proven a long time ago in himalaya (xda II) section)..
but ofcourse this isnt only the problem..
-dOUbleOfour

i dnt know what my problem is. i charge my fone all night to 100% and take it out the charger only when am leaving for work. when i get on the train its a 40minute ride to work. i only listen to windows media player and by the time i get to work my battery is like 50% or less.
so i bought a new battery today. i will update tomorrow

boto said:
look here i think i solve this problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1259754#post1259754
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That is a cause, but as I said, I had an extended rom, not corrupted, and still saw the drain, as have others. So folks need to ensure they have an uncorrupted extended rom, and they need to fix the SD issue in some way or they will likely have battery drain with many ROMs.

WM6 KILLS the Battery... Help!!

I recently upgraded to WM6 ROM, "Jwrightmcps Crossbow ROM Update 2.02.02 WWE", and all went well.
But then at 40% battery my phone died... and this is very similar to a problem I used to had in WM5.
Can anyone tell me which WM6 ROM doesnt cause the battery problem?
For the record, I don't think either my phone or PDA is damaged. The last time I had this problem, I went back to the service center (several times I might add), and they replaced everything eventually (both PDA and Battery). Since then it has worked fine (for about 6mths+), until I flashed to the WM6 ROM.
**** man, I hope this has not damaged my device. Out of warranty already.

I had a similar problem and also initially didn't beleive it could be the battery, but guess what -- getting a new battery solved almost all problems I had including the phone dying at 40% or above. So it might be worth a try...

IT"S YOUR BATTERY
Just trust me
the battery 'dies' after like 6 to 12 months. It just goes bad in a week.
Mine went out on like 20%, then a week later on 54%
replacing it fixes it.

mine crashes over 20%.... the battery it's new

I had same problem with battery,then I buy new battery from ebay, and then the battery status was OK it goes from 100- 4% with warning and everything. But the problem was that battery last only a couple of hours, even aftzer a few days nothing change I must have charger with me all the time.
Then I search the forum and found someons solution, that works for me too.
Just charge the battery full take the cable out and put it in again a couple of times so the battery is realy full charged, the put the device in bootloader mode by pressing Power + Light + Reset, which brings up an un-backlit screen with "Serial" at the top, and "v0.XX" at the bottom. And then just put your device somewhere and dont touch it until it died that coul be the all day. Anyway next day I put the charger in and again didnt touc for all day. And my problems are gone, the battery since then last fortwo or three days if I dont use it much.
Hope that will help somebody

Dears,
i used to read about this issue in the forum again and again.....so i desided to wrote this post....everyone was claming the battery is the reason....OK do not belive this.....it is the rom.....i used the wm6 for sometime and i was facing the same problem....and when my carrier started the 3G i had to switch back to wm5.....and now my device never turns off before i get notified that my battery level is too low it about 10% of the battery....so if you do not belive me just do this test....switch back to wm5...i am using now Hilme 3.5 v1.3.1
regards

Mine dies at 35% with wm6 and wm5 and my old battery, but never dies with my new battery.

Use Radio 1.15
My battery life increased by 200% just by upgrading to this radio ROM.

same here
i m also sufrer of same problem. now after this forum i m confused

Here is the simple fact of the matter:
Batteries are EXTREMELY complicated pieces of equipment
They often give false readings because the chemical reaction that creates the electricity is easily affected by heat\age\use\etc. Also, the electronics that measure the temperature are based on the false assumption that the battery drains in a predictable way down to the same level.
Your battery draining quicker\slower and dying when it says it has charge may be because of the ROM. However, this is HIGHLY unlikely. What is most likely the cause is external factors (eg heat, number of programs running, etc) or that the battery has "died" or become unreliable.
Recommendation: Try different batteries, and remember that batteries have a chemical reaction, before posting here

I don't know... I started having problems as well just after a ROM upgrade... but it was an official ROM upgrade. I start thinking this has something to do with the upgrade process, like some setting being "wiped out" during the upgrade and the battery going "out of sync" with the device, reporting the wrong battery level...
But, more likely, this is just a psycological effect, you install the new rom and then start playing a lot with the device to find the improvements, and you begin noticing the problem for the first time!

My relatively new I-mate JasJar also started dying when the battery level reached 40% the day i flashed WM6.
i posted here, trying to explain that it was perfectly alright 2 days back, prior to WM6.. pointless to say, everyone still said it was the battery 100%
well.. i got a new battery.. and it did indeed solve the problem.
but guess what.
i flashed WM5 back, and both batteries work fine there.
not sure what the heck is going on here.. but i'm certain there are two fixes:
- flash WM5 back on.
- get a new battery and stay with WM6

astraman said:
Dears,
i used to read about this issue in the forum again and again.....so i desided to wrote this post....everyone was claming the battery is the reason....OK do not belive this.....it is the rom.....i used the wm6 for sometime and i was facing the same problem....and when my carrier started the 3G i had to switch back to wm5.....and now my device never turns off before i get notified that my battery level is too low it about 10% of the battery....so if you do not belive me just do this test....switch back to wm5...i am using now Hilme 3.5 v1.3.1
regards
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I used to think like you, but now I beg to differ, my dead battery never usable under any OS.
It used to be always dead at some % starting from as low as 0 (good ones) and increase until now it is permanent dead at 100%. I have all your intermediate voltages before reaching 100%.
If your's still usable than your battery is not complete dead yet or half dead or maybe soon to be dead.
By the way, I am using helmi_c aku3.5 v1.3 (add on version) as compared to v1.3.1 (vanilla version).
One last thing, please do use big bold characters in forum, sounds like shouting. Thanks!

You cannot judge the battery is old or new by just months.
This older version of Universal battery, it counts by number of time charged I think, inserting in USB for a sync and remove would probably counted as 1 charge.
I now do not sync using those working condition battery, I change to my dead battery for sync purpose.
As I sync only contacts, now Dotfred has a tool and now I hardly use sync anymore.
By the way, there is one guy in this same forum start another thread without reading this (closest info) or all other previous threads.
People like this deserved to be flamed, but I didnt.

IMHO WM6 uses and drains the battery different then WM5
My experience is that everyone that has problems with their device dying just switched to WM6. It has nothing to do with the WM6 itself, it's just that WM6 is more 'sensitive' to a low battery output then WM5. So if you switch back to WM5 it looks like it might 'solve' your problem but in the end the battery will die, it'll just take a little bit longer before WM5 appears to have problems.
You'll postpone the problem for a little while but it's not a fix
Just my 2 cents

CWKJ said:
I used to think like you, but now I beg to differ, my dead battery never usable under any OS.
It used to be always dead at some % starting from as low as 0 (good ones) and increase until now it is permanent dead at 100%. I have all your intermediate voltages before reaching 100%.
If your's still usable than your battery is not complete dead yet or half dead or maybe soon to be dead.
By the way, I am using helmi_c aku3.5 v1.3 (add on version) as compared to v1.3.1 (vanilla version).
One last thing, please do use big bold characters in forum, sounds like shouting. Thanks!
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Mine still working very good at WM5 as i told you.....just let the battery get off and recharge it till full....now mine is working great and keep working until 10% or less

The point is that WM6 treets the battery and power in different way then WM5. First when you upgrade to wm6 and start it first time it assumes that battery is full (the instruction says that you should charge your battery before uploding new ROM). If the battery was not fully charged then you have a problem. WM6 registers the point of current while starting first time and assumes that this level represents the fully charged batteryl. Then it is programmed for consumption of power according to processor cycles, so after such and such time of use of your device it should reach certain level of power. If your battery was not charged full at the start then it will always show false percantage.
The solution is to fully charge the battery (possibly using the way described in some post above) and then reload the ROM once more.
Of cource when you buy a new battery, WM6 registers this (each battery has unic number) and creats new pattern for this battery. That is way it is so importatnt to properly charge the new battery when you load it first time.
Hope this is helpful.

astraman said:
Mine still working very good at WM5 as i told you.....just let the battery get off and recharge it till full....now mine is working great and keep working until 10% or less
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I have 3 original batteries.
In principle, good battery can goes to perfect 0%.
First battery started half dead (that is phone is dead 30%) after upgrade from WM5 AKU1 to WM5 AKU2 happen to be around 6 months after I start using the phone, I thought it was the problem with WM5 AKU2 ROM. My usage pattern of this battery is that I charge anytime I wish with Power charger and also during sync. This battery is still with me now after 1 year I have encounter the problem. The dead % grow (no change of ROM) until now it is around 100%, that is phone is dead just before it goes to 99%.
Second battery was bought the same time my first battery has problem, 1 year passed. Usage pattern are, never use this battery for sync or short connections to PC USB, never charge my battery until it is 0% (always possible) or less than 5%, never upgrade ROM using this battery. Always charge to LED turns GREEN & always sync & upgrade ROM with the dead stuck at 100% battery. 1 year has gone, the second is still able to reach 0% till now with battery last average 1 to 3 days, normally 2 days & sometimes 4 days depends on usage pattern.
Third battery, claim by vendor that some electronics is modified compared to the those bought last year. Charged this battery, use a few time to check if it is an ok battery, need to do this as I have ever bought brand new dead battery last year. After confirmed it is a good battery, I continue using the second battery and third battery always carry along as backup in case I used up the second battery.
Hope my usage pattern can help some of you to have optimal use of the battery and do not let the manufacturer earn extra money due to the problem in the old version of the battery. Anyway, this original battery will be discontinued soon due to end of life of this product. Guess I will have to look forward of getting imitations when my second & third battery is gone or maybe when my phone is gone too.

Tadeusz said:
The point is that WM6 treets the battery and power in different way then WM5. First when you upgrade to wm6 and start it first time it assumes that battery is full (the instruction says that you should charge your battery before uploding new ROM). If the battery was not fully charged then you have a problem. WM6 registers the point of current while starting first time and assumes that this level represents the fully charged batteryl. Then it is programmed for consumption of power according to processor cycles, so after such and such time of use of your device it should reach certain level of power. If your battery was not charged full at the start then it will always show false percantage.
The solution is to fully charge the battery (possibly using the way described in some post above) and then reload the ROM once more.
Of cource when you buy a new battery, WM6 registers this (each battery has unic number) and creats new pattern for this battery. That is way it is so importatnt to properly charge the new battery when you load it first time.
Hope this is helpful.
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uhh...not true...
try to flash you phone at 50% charge...when you boot your battery will still be at 50%

astraman said:
Dears,
i used to read about this issue in the forum again and again.....so i desided to wrote this post....everyone was claming the battery is the reason....OK do not belive this.....it is the rom.....i used the wm6 for sometime and i was facing the same problem....and when my carrier started the 3G i had to switch back to wm5.....and now my device never turns off before i get notified that my battery level is too low it about 10% of the battery....so if you do not belive me just do this test....switch back to wm5...i am using now Hilme 3.5 v1.3.1
regards
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Not so Dears
i have what the american will say as 20/20 and the rst of the world will say as 6\6 corrected vision.
i can read normal 12 pt text pretty well..
and apart from that what you claim is...well NOT TRUE

Battery life is horrible!

I'm currently running the XM6r3 ROM, and my battery life is less than half of what it was with WM5. Anyone else notice this? I'm thinking it might be related to the weather panel app.

First, did you flash an official rom before you upgraded to XM6r3? If you have a corrupted Extended ROM, this has been shown to cause battery life that goes down very quickly.
Second, Yes, other apps you put on that are constantly accessing the network and such can cause battery life to go down faster. Did you have WeatherPanel on WM5? DO you do Push email (and how often is it setup to check / push)? Are you running BatteryStatus and overclocking? That definetly pulls more on the battery.
What Radio are you using on your phone? Newer radios (2.47, 2.61, and 2.69) all pull more on the battery (IMO) than the stock 2.25 radios from T-Mobile and Cingular. I think 2.19 is probably the most efficient (but also doesn't have as good of reception for some, but seems to work well for me).
When I first started messing with custom roms here, first AKU 3.3 (so WM5) and then WM6 roms, I would gripe about less battery life. Then it hit me, I'm using my phone WAY more than I was when I was on stock WM5 as it was so unreliable for me on the official roms, and now the phone does so much more. I do WAY more with my phone now with these custom roms. So yeah, battery life is going to go down faster as the phone is now being used all the time.
Also, I do think most of the custom WM6 roms do use more battery, but look at how much more they are doing by default.
If you really want to do a comparison, then build a WM6 rom that looks just like an official WM5 and don't use the phone anymore than you did with WM5 (same apps, etc). I think you will find the battery life is much closer in that case (but you won't be happy since its not overclocked, missing great apps you are now used to, etc)...

I'm experiencing the same issues...with only 2 or 3 days of the iphone theme, with Slide2Unlock and WisBar, my battery barely makes it 18 hours.
I'm going to try the suggestion of flashing it back to original and them just the latest WM6 (screw the iphone stuff).

I do take into effect that I use it more than I did before. I did not have weather panel with wm5, and I also use battery status. I only recently started overclocking it. I also use direct push with our exchange server.
I flashed it with the T-Mobile rom before upgrading. The radio is 2.25.11.
I guess it just comes with the territory I'm going to have get in the habit of charging it more often, because I like it WAY more than WM5.

mfrazzz said:
First, did you flash an official rom before you upgraded to XM6r3? If you have a corrupted Extended ROM, this has been shown to cause battery life that goes down very quickly.
Second, Yes, other apps you put on that are constantly accessing the network and such can cause battery life to go down faster. Did you have WeatherPanel on WM5? DO you do Push email (and how often is it setup to check / push)? Are you running BatteryStatus and overclocking? That definetly pulls more on the battery.
What Radio are you using on your phone? Newer radios (2.47, 2.61, and 2.69) all pull more on the battery (IMO) than the stock 2.25 radios from T-Mobile and Cingular. I think 2.19 is probably the most efficient (but also doesn't have as good of reception for some, but seems to work well for me).
When I first started messing with custom roms here, first AKU 3.3 (so WM5) and then WM6 roms, I would gripe about less battery life. Then it hit me, I'm using my phone WAY more than I was when I was on stock WM5 as it was so unreliable for me on the official roms, and now the phone does so much more. I do WAY more with my phone now with these custom roms. So yeah, battery life is going to go down faster as the phone is now being used all the time.
Also, I do think most of the custom WM6 roms do use more battery, but look at how much more they are doing by default.
If you really want to do a comparison, then build a WM6 rom that looks just like an official WM5 and don't use the phone anymore than you did with WM5 (same apps, etc). I think you will find the battery life is much closer in that case (but you won't be happy since its not overclocked, missing great apps you are now used to, etc)...
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Very hypothetical and analytical description of the Battery consumption problem being faced,cudn't be explained more elaborately .
Stock wm5 Roms never had any such applications as new wm6 custom Roms offer.
secondly over clocking will definitely effect the battery power.

I noticed too. Probably the file connmrg.exe is taking all the CPU power, that's why the battery's life is so worse. Batterystatus gives a constantly 100% CPU usage display...

IF you see battery status showing 100% cpu usage you have some other issue. Mine is only at 100% when I start an app or doing heavy work on it. Otherwise it idles back under 195Mhz most of the time with CPUscalar for me. Also depends on what ROM you are running and what apps you have added.

No Problem with battery
I have been using this rom since it was released and have had no problems at all with the battery life.

Is it possible to damage the battery by installing a new ROM
Is it possible to damage the battery by installing a new ROM? My 8125 battery was fine on old wm6 ROM, but after I installed XM6r3 (and yes, I did install t-mobile os before to clean it), my battery level goes through the floor.
I managed to charge it to over 50% and installed stock cingular rom, and with no extra applications installed, just the virgin cingular software, BT/wifi not enabled, just gsm radio I still see a drop of few % a minute! So basically, my phone is effectively cannot be detached from charger or my battery will drain very fast and loose ability to start os and begin charging again in the phone.
I can see (using wizard service tool) some cingular customization stuff on the hidden extended rom, does this mean extended rom is not a cause of this? Should I use format ROM tool in WST? (sorry for probably stupid questions)
Is there any way to check that it is indeed the battery being shot and not some obscure software issue? I find it hard to believe that good battery can go bad exactly at the same time as OS upgrade, I am hoping I am missing some obvious software fix

I believe its something else because my girlfriend calls me every morning and I take it out of the charger. I talk to her for a couple minutes 5 minutes tops and I hang up I look at batterystatus and it says 79% left tops. This is OD crazy I don't know if its the rom or the battery. I don't feel like paying 40 bux for a battery and same thing happens. I am currently installing a new rom I am gonna try this for acouple days and see what happens. I only noticed it for one rom but that rom I used for two to three weeks straight I didn't notice with the other roms because I never kept them for more then a day.

Strange enough (Battery life)
Strange enough before reading this post I thought that my phone's battery is dying. But know I can say that its definitely this XM6r3 ROM has some problem. To be precise there is definitely some application that eats the battery. As sometime my battery works fine and other time it just drain. If anyone can work on what application is eating the battery would be appreciated.
Rest the ROM is great.
Harwant

Battery draining in sudden bursts?

I've recently started having this problem. I charged my wizard overnight, saw the battery was 100%, then as soon as i removed the charger, it drops to around 80%. If i follow this with a soft reset, it drops to 50%. During normal usage the drainage isn't so sudden, but it is still a lot faster than usual. For e.g. a 20 min video would drain 30% of the battery.
My extended rom is clear, I first installed the 2.26 tmob rom, then wrcx1, so I dont think that should be an issue. I've installed the power saving cabs as well. What else could be the problem? I'd really hate to have to switch to another rom just to sort this out...

Forgot to add, this is a recent problem. I used to get excellent battery life, this has just suddenly started happening. I haven't changed my charger or battery.

which BS are you using?

I was using the latest BS release (0263 i think) but have removed it from my today screen and still the problem is persisting...

Battery... that's what driving me crazy now! With WM5, I can use my device almost 2,5 days with lots call/sms and solitaire. Tried 3 WM6 version and couldnot save the O2 life last more than 3 hours (uncontinuosly). Please any one help to solve this.... (

Sounds like either your battery is screwed (they DO go bad after a year or two) OR you've got one seriously ****ed up ROM.
By the way, BatterySpace is known to do this if you use the dynamic overclocking. Somehow something in the ROM or Registry gets trashed, and then the system will peg the CPU at 100%.
This will WASTE the battery like nobody's business! Once this happens the only fix is a HARD RESET - I've not figured out what's getting scrambled, but whatever it is, a reboot doesn't fix it.
Shut off the dynamic overclocking if you're using it and see if the problem goes away.

I just had the same erratic behavior from my battery, it was over a year old. It would charge to 100%, but when off the charger strength would read random levels and drain really fast. I could kill the battery in about 30 minutes of browsing web pages.
A new battery solved it.

Genesis3 said:
Sounds like either your battery is screwed (they DO go bad after a year or two) OR you've got one seriously ****ed up ROM.
By the way, BatterySpace is known to do this if you use the dynamic overclocking. Somehow something in the ROM or Registry gets trashed, and then the system will peg the CPU at 100%.
This will WASTE the battery like nobody's business! Once this happens the only fix is a HARD RESET - I've not figured out what's getting scrambled, but whatever it is, a reboot doesn't fix it.
Shut off the dynamic overclocking if you're using it and see if the problem goes away.
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OK, thanks!
Now I'm thinking about downgrade to WM5 to check wherther battery died or not, before buy a new one.

I have the same issue on the g3 wizard connected thru tmobile us running the bd3 rom. I have had excellent battery life in the past but in the past 3 days or so the battery status is just inaccurate. The main prob is that when you go connect to the internet 5 min later the device restarts and sometimes it just keeps restarting in a loop. Then sometimes it restarts but battery is at critical, when before it was at 80%.
But i noticed when it gets stuck in the boot loop, just stick it on the charger for a sec and it will start back up fine, but then die after a couple phone calls or so.
I have also cleared the rom thinking it was some battery drain issue that usually happens when you don't flash the original rom before you flash a cooked one. I installed the tmobile original one and then flashed "boring rom for tmobile". That rom works quite well. But the battery is still draining.
I also changed the radio rom from the 2.69 and now went to the 02.25.11 but still the same issue.
I didn't try running straight wm5 and see if it did it their, but the previous poster is trying it so ill see if that worked for him or not.
The next step is to try a new battery but this battery is only like a year old

Believe me when I tell 'ya that Lithium Ion batteries, when they die, do so exactly like this.
Try a new battery.

daishi17 said:
I have the same issue on the g3 wizard connected thru tmobile us running the bd3 rom. I have had excellent battery life in the past but in the past 3 days or so the battery status is just inaccurate. The main prob is that when you go connect to the internet 5 min later the device restarts and sometimes it just keeps restarting in a loop. Then sometimes it restarts but battery is at critical, when before it was at 80%.
But i noticed when it gets stuck in the boot loop, just stick it on the charger for a sec and it will start back up fine, but then die after a couple phone calls or so.
I have also cleared the rom thinking it was some battery drain issue that usually happens when you don't flash the original rom before you flash a cooked one. I installed the tmobile original one and then flashed "boring rom for tmobile". That rom works quite well. But the battery is still draining.
I also changed the radio rom from the 2.69 and now went to the 02.25.11 but still the same issue.
I didn't try running straight wm5 and see if it did it their, but the previous poster is trying it so ill see if that worked for him or not.
The next step is to try a new battery but this battery is only like a year old
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mine is doing the same thing..
if i start any aplication that requests more procesing, the device keeps rebooting, even if the battery was indicating 100% when i started using it
if i plug the charger when he is rebooting, he comes back to life 80-100% charged..
if i do not use it, and leave him on stand by, the battery lasts for like 2 days without any issues.

Draining in Sudden Bursts! Sounds like it feels good.

well i guess i will just get a new battery and hope that solves the problem since I have tried everything besides just using regular wm5, and someone posted that this is what lithium ion batteries usually do, so I'll give it a shot and report my findings after christmas, lol I hope I get a mda battery for christmas

anyone bought a new battery?
did it worked?
i´m still waiting for mine to arrive

I bought a new battery, but i cant say yet whether its working or not. It seems to work fine at times, and gives the same problem at other times. Not sure what acould be wrong....

Are you using TNT5 ROM? I've flashed two days ago this ROM to give WM6 a second go and my battery vanished like smoke... the battery that used to last for about 4 days, was gone in only half a day :\ I'm back to my ROM!

I'm using TNT5 for a few months now. All of a sudden i had batteryproblems. Tried everything but solved the problem with a fresh battery. Only 9 dollars on Ebay....
And now the phone is running smoothly again (lasts about 2 days)...

still waiting for mines to come should come wednesday, its getting worst and worst i used to be able to use it for at least an hour now only for about 15 min off the charger, when it says its at a 100%

I'm having a different kind of problem, except for the burst that I get after taking off power or after a soft reset, my battery life is exceptional. My last charge lasted about 7 hrs (including ebooks, mp3s, sms, and some phone calls).

I flashed XDA Mobile 6 Release 5 RC1 with .NET CF 3.5! recharging full battery. After flashing It showed low battery warning and when i restarted it, it showed full battery. And one hour later it swiched off. Now i flashed another rom .No problem yet.

Fuze Pathetic Battery Life

I know this has been covered in many other threads but they seem to be fragmented into some suggestions for specific problems. Researching, following and applying the information, tips and software some have suggested I am still getting nowhere. My battery dies in a very short period of time - something like 4-6 hours.
I have installated, executed / implemented many of the suggestions and procedures here and on fuze-mobility to extend battery life. These are representative. I think there have been probably more but I cannot remember them.
HTC Power Management
SD Card Battery Saver
Taskmgr - to kill / stop Activiesync (replog.exec) from continuously cycling
Advanced Configuration Tool to turn on and off 3G
Registry Edit modifications on both the Fuze and associated laptop related to Activesync Update cycles
Activesync - added new server, made timing manual, deleted server.
Charging processes - Letting battery run all the way down to below 10%
Lowering brightness on my screen
I have ordered and am waiting for an extended battery for the Fuze.
The only thing I see is when viewing what is executing via the Taskmgr CPU Usage panel, I see that most of the time the Idle process is executing. (75+%). Although I have read some threads where folks have said this is good because nothing else is draining your power, just because the process says "idle" does not seem to me to be doing nothing..it is still cranking through and using cycles to go through its designated activities.
Is there a way to indicate the interval when the idle process cycles?
Anyone have this same situation? Any suggestions?

That sounds very bad. Most complaints are about it being less than a day, noy 4-6 hours.
Have you contacted HTC/your supplier to get a replacement battery?
Also, idle is not a process, it's the absence of a process...

I'm not an expert on the ARM architecture, but idle processes are processes that use the CPU when all other processes are waiting for something or when there are no other processes running. They don't necessarily do anything constructive (they essentially just 'mind' the CPU until another process needs it), but they often feed the CPU with power-saving instructions. In conclusion, ignore it - it's not causing any problems and there's no point in fiddling with it.
That sort of a battery life is absolutely ridiculous, and you've clearly had a good go at increasing it, so I my best guess would be that it's defective.

Thanks for the quick responses.
I would still like to investigate the "idle" process angle. As long as something accesses the CPU, cycles are being executed and power is being used. Depending on what the "idle" process is doing with the 75+% "time" it has control of the CPU lots of power could be being used / drained.
Not sure how to go about this yet but I'm sure there is a way to find out what is going on during the "idle" process time holding the CPU.
If anyone know please share.....

Wow, it seems like the battey life on these things just keeps getting worse and worse. I remember going from the Hermes to the Kaiser and thinking how much worse the battery life was on the Kaiser.
The features keep increasing and batteries are having a hard time keeping up, I think.

there is alot to blame here. the good news there is a fix for almost every culprit.
1st....touch flow 3d. this thing demands alot of battery life. Not too mention its always running. Att has also seem to have added a few things to the touch flo interface that may have had an impact on this as well.
2nd....the applications these days seem to be getting bigger and bigger every few months. its not uncommon to see an app eating up 7 to 10 mb of ram. jivetalk...opera...the new aim??? the thing about this....the more ram an app takes up, the more batt power is consumes.
by the way...this is not a problem native to windows mobile...take a look at Google's g1....the batt life on that phone is even worse than your stock fuze...and after i've been digging through the phone....i found out all the apps are over 5 mb....madness! Also, the iphone has had this problem....and still does. but the iphone doesn't allow for background processing....so large programs running in the background aren't really that much of an issue.
3rd...att! in a noble attempt to cram the fuze with everything under the hood and give it the title it truly deserve (a phone capable of doing everything) they've weighed the os down with crap ware.
4th...the att radio that ships with the phone....its horrid. you'd never belive how much better some of the other radios are vs. the shipped att radio. its almost ridiculous that att would ship the phone with such a poor radio.
5th....htc. The batt in the phone is no bigger than the one offered in the tilt. But lets keep in mind, the same size batt now has to power faster processor....more ram...and a brighter more high res screen. Why they didnt up the power of the batt? who the hell knows...i guess to keep the phone nice a small...but its def a trade off.
I want you to try a cooked rom....try romeos 1.4 or the new proven.....change your radio to the shipped orange....make sure you spl before doing both.
and post back. im sure you'll have a different experience.

wrjp said:
Thanks for the quick responses.
I would still like to investigate the "idle" process angle. As long as something accesses the CPU, cycles are being executed and power is being used. Depending on what the "idle" process is doing with the 75+% "time" it has control of the CPU lots of power could be being used / drained.
Not sure how to go about this yet but I'm sure there is a way to find out what is going on during the "idle" process time holding the CPU.
If anyone know please share.....
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I'm going to save you a ton of wasted hours in your life....or at least give you something else to waste those hours on. Stop the witch hunt on the "Idle" process. Open up the task manager on your desktop/laptop and look for the Idle process on there. If you pay attention (and do a little guessing), you'll see that the idle process consumes the remaining percentage of the CPU after the other applications have had their cut, however if you look at the total usage, you'll see that it doesn't include the Idle process.
There's a reason for this. It's lying to you....
There is no "Idle" process, it's just a way for the operating system to indicate how much processing power is not being used by applications. There's certainly something going on during those empty cycles, but it's operations that the core of the operating system is doing. Another poster mentioned that one of the things it's doing is sending power-saving instructions, which is basically true (but it's more in the form of telling the processor that there's nothing to do and letting it decide to save power).
The idle process cannot go away, and the closer you get it to 100% the better (relatively speaking, as it means you're doing nothing with the phone and removed any cool features it had). As long as the phone is on there's going to be at least a trickle of power going through the processor so the core of the operating system (i.e. Kernel) can perform it's necessary actions...just like the brain or heart does in your own body, even at rest they are still working a little bit.
Truthfully, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with your battery issues. I've got a Fuze also, and the ONLY time that I saw the battery die in 6 hours was when I was talking on it for about 3 1/2 or 4 hours in one afternoon. Otherwise, that thing, even on the stock rom, has given me nothing like the trouble your describing. I've flashed NATF's rom onto it (didn't like ROMeOS that much, just felt a little too laggy for me) and the new Austrailian radio .20M1 and the battery life seems even better. I don't think you're doing something wrong, I think you've got a lemon phone. Return it to the store complaining about the battery life on it not matching that of any of the other Fuze's you've seen anybody else using, then get a new one and try that out.

4-6 hours? Consider yourself lucky. I can get that if I don't touch the phone and no one calls. If I use the phone as a normal person might, I can get 2 hours. I don't even consider it a mobile phone. It's stays plugged into something all day.

momojopoe said:
4-6 hours? Consider yourself lucky. I can get that if I don't touch the phone and no one calls. If I use the phone as a normal person might, I can get 2 hours. I don't even consider it a mobile phone. It's stays plugged into something all day.
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You have a faulty battery or you don't know how to set up the phone. I'm also using HTC Raphael, and battery lasts 1,5 days with lots of usage. I think that you should search xda for battery tips&tricks, like lowering backlight, turning off WIFI, BT and other. Also, there might be a problem with the ROM and Radio you're using.

The battery was exchanged...twice...the poor battery life was present with nothing but stock apps and all the tips and tricks you suggest were tried, and then some...the problem is endemic with the fuze...I figure as much as I paid I shouldn't have to jump through all the hoops with 3rd party new roms etc. just to get my phone to work like it should...the battery is piece of crap

Hmmm, in that case it could be faulty device - there are plenty of people on Raphael subforum that are using Fuze and battery lasts for most of them 1-2 days.

Whos got Extended battery on there Att Fuze ?
Is it worth the bulk
& which one to get ?
18,00 / 2,000 diff kinds i see
with diff company