On Microsoft, Manufacturers and upgrades.. - General Topics

Lots of noise around about the prospect of WM6 upgrades (legitimate) being available 'off the shelf' - as a paid for upgrade.
I have to say I think this is highly unlikely.
Microsoft tend to use releases like to drive the market in hardware upgrades...otherwise we'd hang on to older but perfectly functional kit for longer,and no one would get rich.
They're much more keen for you to buy a new device than upgrade you're existing one.....and it's why I can't buy an upgrade for stereo bluetooth for my prophet, but instead have to hack it. (when I feel up to it, anyway !)
your thought s ?

Not gonna happen.
The whole architecture of WM based devices is such, that you can't just install a 'generic' OS update. The drivers specific to your device have to be added to create a usable image.
OEM has to pay M$ for new license, then cook up an image - so obviously it's not worth it.
This might change in devices already running WM6 (WTF is WM6 if the version says 5.2????) because they have a built in 'windows update' functionality, though I am still not sure how that would work.

Just my 2 Cents, but I believe that HP has been good in this regards that they usually offer upgrades for no cost. But even if it means a small charge I dont see whay it would not be a good idea. I am eagerly waiting for the news that they are gonna upgrade me to WM6 for my RW 6828 mobile messenger
Dell charges it's clients about $40 for an upgrade. I upgraded my old Dell X5 to wm2003 for that amount.
Anyways we'll see what new fangled notion MS uses this time to squeeze more money out of us. ;-)
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Will your next device be WM?

I've used WM since the first SPV and have upgraded every year since. In the last 12 months I've had a Touch, Touch Diamond and now an HD. I also have an Ipod Touch.
As a die hard WM fan I'm wishing I had upgraded to the Iphone. WM is just so outdated and the UI is just so drab in comparison.
There are so many more apps available now fro iphone/ipod touch, They look better and often work better. With a new Iphone model out this year which is rumoured to run aps in the background and will you be tempted away from WM?
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I've used WM since the first SPV and have upgraded every year since. In the last 12 months I've had a Touch, Touch Diamond and now an HD. I also have an Ipod Touch.
As a die hard WM fan I'm wishing I had upgraded to the Iphone. WM is just so outdated and the UI is just so drab in comparison.
There are so many more apps available now fro iphone/ipod touch, They look better and often work better. With a new Iphone model out this year which is rumoured to run aps in the background and will you be tempted away from WM?
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No way!
I´m aware that MS UI is not as good as should be, but the only idea of getting a "control" Iphone instead of choosing among hundreds of WM devices scares me
I´ll stick to MS with all it´s imperfections...I have hope that wm7 can be something really good.
Just my opinion.
i have had all sorts of devices and i have to say wm is where i will stay. i think that the ui is great actually. and i am sure that wm still has more apps
i dont really care about aesthetics as long as it does the job. which it does
I Love the variety of windows mobile devices and it's just what it's suppose to be a mini PC in the palm of my hand. And WM can do so much more than iphone so yep my next device will be WM
The first criterion for my mobile phone is that it is WinMo.
The second is that it has GPS.
Everything else after that is just icing the cake.
My phone is a mobile first, sat-nav second, stock-tracking PDA third. Why carry three devices when one will do it all?
The iPhone won't run my work stock-track application so it has to be WinMo.
I really want a pocket computer/phone, with a real os like Win XP or OSX that is just like on a desktop or laptop, but I haven't seen one yet, and I'm poor and will not be able to afford one when they come out! haha
But, I will be sticking with my windows mobile pda phones for now. It's the closest to what I need at the moment. Phone, email, spreadsheets, and pdf are my main needs, with gps/mapping close behind that. And from what I see, none of the other phones quite do what I want, except Palm Powered devices, but WM is more customizable, and looks better, so it wins out for me.
The only reason I would switch to an iPhone would be if it's OS can run Skyscape Applications. Otherwise, WM is just perfect for my needs.
WM
I still think WM is the best platform for overall usability and power. With WM 6.5 the UI has been simplified for easy access to important applications. Over all GUI looks a bit smoother. Can't wait to update my Treo 750 to WM 6.5.
Sadly (commercial) developement on WM has dried up. No one takes the platform seriously anymore, and yes I am jealous of the iphones many apps and better polished apps (eg compare facebook and last fm clients). Even basic things such as emails and sms messages look better on iphone.
I am very tempted to jump ship after owning a dozen different WM phones (am using HD at moment) but one thing stops me, freedom. I HATE itunes and dont want to surrender my media to it. I like copy and paste and use it all the time, I love BT file transfer, I love A2DP. iPhone is too controlled. If Apple ease up a bit then maybe id give them a try, but for now I will stick with my HD (hopefully WM 6.5 finds its way to it) for a long time. Unless I start to see some more polish from MS and some freedom from Apple, the HD will last me a long long time
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Sadly (commercial) developement on WM has dried up. No one takes the platform seriously anymore, and yes I am jealous of the iphones many apps and better polished apps (eg compare facebook and last fm clients). Even basic things such as emails and sms messages look better on iphone.
I am very tempted to jump ship after owning a dozen different WM phones (am using HD at moment) but one thing stops me, freedom. I HATE itunes and dont want to surrender my media to it. I like copy and paste and use it all the time, I love BT file transfer, I love A2DP. iPhone is too controlled. If Apple ease up a bit then maybe id give them a try, but for now I will stick with my HD (hopefully WM 6.5 finds its way to it) for a long time. Unless I start to see some more polish from MS and some freedom from Apple, the HD will last me a long long time
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Why not jailbreak the iphone? You can do more then. I've really enjoyed WM over the years. It hasn't really changed though since 2002! Not good is it? They really need to pull something impressive out the bag with WM7 to compete with the iphone.
I will never move away from WM now. I will also stay with HTC devices.......one reason is the fantastic support and apps available fom this site!!!
WM hands down! ive loved it since i got my first WM phone - The I-mate Jam which had WM5 on it right the way up until my Touch Diamond.
It is in every essence of the words a "pocket pc".
1. almost limitless customisation
2. abundance of apps and games
3. ability to have cooked ROM's
4. use it as a mobile/music&video player/camera/internet browser/GPS/gaming device/ dictation machine/personal organiser/office mobile/... the list goes on and on.
4. Freedom of choice unlike the iphone. which locks you down to using i(crappy)tunes to put any content on it.
I've become quite a fan of Windows Mobile (as many may know by my tweets). I had a very long history of the PalmOS (a small taste of Blackberry) before I jumped and I've never looked back even though I was concerned at the time.
If you really listen to the Microsoft vision (See Balmer's keynote for CES for example), they really have the best overall picture of how to take mobile smartphones to the next level. Also due to them being Microsoft, they have the best leverage to achieve that vision with the vast array of products they produce. This is where Android and Blackberry (and Pre) fail, no leverage of interoperability.
Now onto the iPhone. I have such a love/hate for Apple. They make beautiful (overpriced) products on the surface but when you dig deeper they are quite lacking for the money. The iPod clearly lacks features of many MP3 players (FM, Bluetooth, etc), the iPhone does this as well. The major flaw is the current OS they've released does not allow multiple apps to run, this is why simple features like cut-and-paste are missing. As a WinMob user, this is essential to have a solid smartphone OS.
My biggest hate for Apple throughout the 80s to now is the lock-in philosophy. Apple simply has control freak mentality in its culture. You have to buy everything in their stores (jailbreaking is illegal), the hardware has to be created by us, the software needs to be approved by us, etc. They really are the Anti to the Open Source philosophy. They really make Microsoft look like saints to the open source world.
So the question was whether my next device will be WM? I'm not sure. I just got the Samsung Saga i770 back in December so it will likely be at least a year before I switch phones again. By then version 6.5 will be out and until I actually play with the Honeycomb interface, I'm not exactly warm on the Zune-like UI. I have a Zune (I won) and don't really care for the UI. If I can keep the Today screen and customize it with 3rd party apps like I do today then I'd be cool in that area. That said, I try to keep an open mind and I'm not opposed to switching but I don't see Apple changing its philosophy anytime soon, RIM has improved but I'm still not sold, so I guess Android and the Palm Pre may be those options.
I also kind of like the concept of a watch phone if it was waterproof and could tether to any device around me which would free us from always carrying a specific form factor (sometimes you may want a pda, a netbook, tablet, a laptop or carry nothing).
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I have been thinking about this a lot - I might switch to a palm pre if the feedback is good from early adopters or might want to see what the next generation of android devices are like.
My next device will PROBABLY be WM, but I can't make a guarantee on that.
I love WM's flexibility, customizeability, and power, but I loathe its sluggishness, blandness, and lack of fun/stylish/interesting apps.
Hopefully, MS launching an official app store will help with the last part. Unfortunately, I think the iPhone still has a big advantage here, since devs only have a single resolution and configuration to program for so they can make more "controlled" apps. I'm hoping MS helps on this by encouraging fullscreen WVGA development for 6.5 / 7.
If Android had actually been what I'd hoped (a mobile frontend to Google's whole web ecosystem, including integrated apps and picasa support), I'd probably be aching to jump ships. We'll see how both Android and WM develop in the next year or so before I get ready to make any switches.
WM is to stay with me (I mean HTC, because of the XDA-developers) for a long time
Cheers
Hmm. Well I am with Verizon and always get a new phone with NE2 deal. At the end of the year I get the deal. I won't ever switch to another carrier so as much as I like what I see in Palm Pre, I will not get it. Nor will I get an iphone for the same reason (and even more because you have to jail break it to get it working) or G1. Anyway, I think I will just wait until 2010 to get a new phone. I really wish WM7 was released sometime in 2010 because I know for sure I would wait to get it. But anyway, right now I am loving my XV6800 I got last year and will not give it up anytime soon.
I think what I might do is get an Ipod Touch HD (hoping Apple finally releases a widescreen version and higher res) when it ever releases. This way I will not miss out on all the cool apps (well the free ones at least). I connected one to my phone which was fun and will definetly do that if I get one.
I love Windows Mobile (so flexable, love tweaking it, all the apps, xda! and hope WM7 is released sooner then later. I might upgrade my XV6800 to WM6.5 but either way I hope to continue to be on Windows Mobile and my next phone will hopfully be a WM7 phone.
palm pre for me
How many phones are knobbled when it comes to trying to write a program to run on it. WM will take a fair amount of effort to learn how to do it, but it can be done. .NET for starters or Win32 C++ if you want to take a look round the engine room. Embedded C++ 3.0 and 4.0 are still available gratis from Microsoft's Web site. .NET requires Visual studio, but not the gratis versions. Not quite as wizzo as the finger flicking Touch interfaces, but what the hell. Have a go and see what you can come up with.

Win 6.5 obsolete already?

See for yourself.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/160173/windows_mobile_7.html?tk=rss_news
I think WM6.5 will be like Windows Me was, an interim release between two larger releases.
WM6 was a big release, WM6.1 was a small release, WM6.5 is a little bigger, but will still be considered a small release until WM7 comes.
Hopefully WM7 will equal how XP was on the PC. XP/2000 was/is considered to be the best OS MS has released by many.
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I think WM6.5 will be like Windows Me was, an interim release between two larger releases.
WM6 was a big release, WM6.1 was a small release, WM6.5 is a little bigger, but will still be considered a small release until WM7 comes.
Hopefully WM7 will equal how XP was on the PC. XP/2000 was/is considered to be the best OS MS has released by many.
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I agree entirely. The language of the article also indicated that the author feels that 6.5 will be coming out late 2009, and 7 will be coming out in early 2010. Is there anything that supports this belief?
I wonder if Microsoft publically gave the announcemnt to him that 6.5 won't work on our devices to sell new devices? Microsoft knows we have running beta's of it now.
And 6.5 is a joke. And according to leaked information about 7, with the exceptions of cool gestures, isn't by any means a huge leap in mobile technology. The only way to really promote this product is to advertise the hell out of it. I have finally seen some AT&T fuze commercials. But what makes a raph really stand out at the store is tflo3d not winmo. Microsoft needs to polish this terd, put it in a pretty basket, put it on a device that is crazy functional right out of the box and sell it after rebates for $199 with 16 gigs of storage, sd expansion, wifi, gps, exchange support, and a god damn qwerty hardware keyboard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile#Windows_Mobile_6.5
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I wonder if Microsoft publically gave the announcemnt to him that 6.5 won't work on our devices to sell new devices? Microsoft knows we have running beta's of it now.
And 6.5 is a joke. And according to leaked information about 7, with the exceptions of cool gestures, isn't by any means a huge leap in mobile technology. The only way to really promote this product is to advertise the hell out of it. I have finally seen some AT&T fuze commercials. But what makes a raph really stand out at the store is tflo3d not winmo. Microsoft needs to polish this terd, put it in a pretty basket, put it on a device that is crazy functional right out of the box and sell it after rebates for $199 with 16 gigs of storage, sd expansion, wifi, gps, exchange support, and a god damn qwerty hardware keyboard.
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I agree with you to a certain extent. But you must realize that WINMO is just the operating system. HTC Samsung ETC. is the device maker, so in the end the maker is the one responsible for what the device has as far as hardware.
I agree with you to a certain extent. A set contract and reduced price of software would ultimately determine the costs of the devices themselves, whether it be from a 3rd party device manufacturer or not. There are many pc manufacturing companies who do this with microsoft now. But maybe a microsoft proprietary phone is in the makings in the years to come (ha, ha). Like an xbox mixed with a phone. Maybe an XPhone. Super gamining device with portability and business functionality. I can only dream.
The article says that current phones will be unable to support 6.5. Why exactly is that? I find it hard to believe that at the very least, the raphael wouldn't be capable of running it. I find it more likely that Microsoft is just feeding everyone a load of crap, to get them to buy a new phone, but that the new OS will work just fine on the TP/Fuze etc.
More news about WM 6.5 and 7
http://www.1800pocketpc.com/2009/03/02/windows-mobile-65-to-be-obsolete-soon-after-its-released.html
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I wonder if Microsoft publically gave the announcemnt to him that 6.5 won't work on our devices to sell new devices? Microsoft knows we have running beta's of it now.
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Yea, I love how they just keep perpetuating that myth. Feed it to all the unknowing new Fuze/TP owners to get more money out of them this fall.
I will say, I honestly don't have high hopes for our Raphs running WM7 though.
Don't doubt it!!
The best developers here are broke. Look we have android running on titans. Really I don't doubt that once Microsoft releases the sdk it will be ported. Supposedly, the gestures require input from the camera and g-sensor and we have both. I'm not sweating it. Not to mention I'm usually upgrading at a year to year and a half anyway.
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The best developers here are broke. Look we have android running on titans. Really I don't doubt that once Microsoft releases the sdk it will be ported. Supposedly, the gestures require input from the camera and g-sensor and we have both. I'm not sweating it. Not to mention I'm usually upgrading at a year to year and a half anyway.
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Uh....the best developers where? The best developers I know are far from broke.
Personally, from what I've read about 6.5 and what I've seen in the hacked systems on my Tilt, I couldn't care less about it. It offers little beyond 6.1 and I really don't like the honeycomb thing. Sure it might be more efficient but it still looks like crap.
That having been said, I plan on getting a TP2 when it's available in the states for less than a small fortune. If it comes with 6.5, fine, but I'm not losing sleep over any aspect of 6.5. It's obsolete? Ok, whatever. It's not obsolete? Ok, whatever. The real question is who is going to be able to afford a new pda phone six months from now, not what system it's going to run.

Windows Mobile 6.5 May 11th Release date

I just saw this
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/17/windows-mobile-6-5-to-officially-launch-on-may-11/
Does anyone know how this release will work? will HTC pick this up and offer it as a upgrade on there recent devices like they did with WM6.1?
I really Hope this is the case.
From what I've heard about this, "release" only means the emulator images will be officially released, maybe along with a little showcase from Microsoft. Windows Mobile 6.5 shouldn't officially hit devices for a while after that (I'm guessing a month or two at the very least).
However, XDA's fine community of ROM chefs will have this running on every device long before HTC. And although Microsoft's official upgrade guidelines require only that the device have at least a 400MHz processor and 128MB RAM, the OEM has the final say in whether a device gets an official upgrade or not. HTC has only confirmed that the Touch Pro2 and Diamond2 will get official upgrades, but the MIX '09 conference had a Touch Pro running 6.5, so at least we know it can run it alright.
In my poor old Kaiser's case, I'm positive I won't get an official one; HTC wants me to buy a new device, not to keep using my old one. That doesn't make them any money. But like I said, the brilliant chefs will have this running on every un-upgraded eligible device in no time. But I think the answer is maybe/yes, in the sense that very recent HTC devices will get officially upgraded.
Dave

HTC Touch Pro 2 OR NOKIA N97

Dear Experts,
I have a question regarding the 2 models HTC Touch Pro 2 & NOKIA N97
What will be the best mobile between the above 2 options taking in consideration that i don't care about the nature of the operating system, however what i care about is the business use, stability, robustness & the most important is that it can sync with my outlook contacts, calendar and other office documents.
Awaiting for your reply ASAP
Regards,
Talal
Touch Pro 2 definitely
You shouldn't even compare!.
Touch Pro 2 is an enterprise device where as N series is in the Entertainment segment.
Dear Friends,
Thanks for your advice, and I will be waiting for the official release in order to buy it.
Last but not least about HTC, the company used to produce a new model with some new features or enhancements every few months which will effect the existing model or models.
Do you consider that HTC TP2 will sustain at least for 2 years and what about the rumor of the HTC touch pro 3
check the below link
http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda/
Regards,
zongol said:
Dear Experts,
I have a question regarding the 2 models HTC Touch Pro 2 & NOKIA N97
What will be the best mobile between the above 2 options taking in consideration that i don't care about the nature of the operating system, however what i care about is the business use, stability, robustness & the most important is that it can sync with my outlook contacts, calendar and other office documents.
Awaiting for your reply ASAP
Regards,
Talal
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I am in the midst of the same decision , you say you don't care about the OS, but I think that that is the entire basis of the decision. Symbian or Windows Mobile. In it' s original pre-release specs the N97 would blow the TP II ( also pre-release specs ) away, but as it gets closer to release , Nokia is really stepping down the specs.
N97 cpu -434Mhz TP II- 528Mhz
N97 Ram-128 Mb TP II- 288 Mb
N97 Internal storage 32Gb TP II 512 Mb
I think it all comes down to which OS you think you can get along with the most.
I fear the advice where will be as biased as if you find a nokiaDeveloper forum and ask there
people who don't pref touch pro 2 would not be likely to spend that much time in this forum
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the most important is that it can sync with my outlook contacts, calendar and other office documents.
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You answered your own question there mate.
I used to have an N80, so I know the N-Series are good. But my friend has an N96 and to be honest, I was dissapointed when I played with it.
I predict, as Denco has said, that the N97 won't be all that is hyped up to be and that the specs might be a bit exaggerated at the moment.
Go for the TP2. It will have an official WM6.5 ROM released for it in October and it's power and features are that of what other PocketPC manufacturers are going to be trying to match for the next year or so...
Thomas.
Rudegar said:
I fear the advice where will be as biased as if you find a nokiaDeveloper forum and ask there
people who don't pref touch pro 2 would not be likely to spend that much time in this forum
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More than agree
Go to a Volvo dealer and ask wich is better between Ford and Volvo...
NOKIA N97
No questions asked. This coming from a die hard fan of htc phones. Current TP owner. WinMo is awesome but is not and will not be a good OS for some time.
Respectfully
I would never think on changing WM for Symbian or any other, at least by now...perhaps in the future Android could be a good option...
There will always be a newer model avail every year or so. If you hold off on buying because of that you'll spend your life waiting for the next model. I say go with the TP2 for one simple reason......HTC!
Second the TP2 as the hot device out now...check out the excitement over in the Rhodium forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=488
I think you should go for neither, either wait for the Palm Pre if they can release it anytime soon or the new iphone i would assume both are about a month or so away. If you cant wait then go for the N97 for the simple fact that Nokia innovate and progress with their products, where as HTC create one product then put limitations on the hardware and then unlock these limitations and then sell the same product as new product. Pretty much almost all the new features on the TP2 derive from software upgrades and not hardware upgrades.
The N97 does actually give u more hardware for your money and with the advent of the Ovi Store (once its up and running properly) you will more than likely be able to pick up software to fulfill all your needs.
I would personally wait for another manufacturer to release an android phone or a windows mobile phone and go for that instead. Check out the Samsung i7500 or some of the upcoming LG phones.
Maybe too many htc fanboys here to give an unbiased opinion.
The symbian operating system will be totally limited to what it will allow you to do, there is very little room for modding.... really it's just tweaking, Nokia for sure has prevented access to the system files with newer Nseries phones, so there won't really be a whole lot of that....
Blows me away seeing how much can be done with Windows Mobile as far as changing the functionality of the phone....
But the N97 is a sweet phone, and I do plan to own one!
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N97 cpu -434Mhz TP II- 528Mhz
N97 Ram-128 Mb TP II- 288 Mb
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Comparing these stats is meaningless. Diferent O/Ss will require diferent compiled exe's and diferent processors run diferent architecture which will also compile as diferent size exe's. Also, you cannot directly compare one clock speed with another unless they are the same manufacturer and based on the same architecture.
The only way to compare across such diferent devices would be in every day use i.e. open a word document, edit it and save it (see how laggy it is/isn't) or show a video and see how well it shows etc...
If you want outlook syncing then nothing that im aware of beats WinMob but, what would you expect from an O/S thats by Microsoft for a MS product? I can't comment on the Nokia syncing, never used one.
edit: HTC's internal ram has always sucked (as have many WinMob devices) instead, relying on expansion SD/Mini-SD. If you need such great storage, the best way I know of at the moment is a 16gig Omnia with a 16gig card in it (total 32gig).
imho...
Office integration on Symbian is much better these days. Though you may need to upgrade the Office software included to get fuller functioning.
One thing that still annoys me on Symbian, is lack of support for Outlook Catagories. I just don't understand why they don't just add it...
If you like to play and tweak OS etc. the go HTC.
If you like Social Networking stuff, Go Nokia. they are really making a big push on services support in this area. Good widgets for Home Screen etc.
If you want a decent camera/video recording go Nokia.
If you like high res screen, for HTC.
On a similar rant. I just don't understand why HTC can't just put decent camera hardware on thier devices...
Also, on the warranty side, Nokia are excellent (at least in the UK). You get 2 years. Any trouble, just pop into your local Nokia Repair Shop. They also tend to be geared towards actually getting repairs done for a 'reasonable' cost if it's not a warranty issue, with Parts being readily available.
This was not the case with HTC (a year or 2 back). May have improved now.
There is a grid by Steve Litchfield (allaboutsymbian, so slightly biased...) which I find quite fun.
It's at : http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/grid.htm
Me, I think I'm pinning hopes on the TG01 at the moment. But getting frustrated that I don't see a real release date/price. Might be tempted by the Omnia HD or N97.
Hope that's helpful.
Zuber
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On a similar rant. I just don't understand why HTC can't just put decent camera hardware on thier devices...
..... I think I'm pinning hopes on the TG01 at the moment. But getting frustrated that I don't see a real release date/price. Might be tempted by the Omnia HD or N97.
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Same here, thats why my current is an Omnia I900 and its, not needed, replacement which arrives Friday is a Acer M900 - both 5meg cameras.
Dont hold your breath on the TG01. They just announced the good news, its processor is being upgraded to 1.3ghz, the bad news is that its not even going into Sampling until the end of the year. Phones reaching the shelves were scheduled for "sometime early next year" ... dont forget the inevitable delays
Hard to pick as I'm pretty unimpressed by both the N97 and the TP2 and wouldn't even think of getting either. If Windows Mobile, then the new Toshi phones - particularly the announced one with the capacitive creen - OR the Samsung Omnia HD (but that's Symbian).
If you ABSOLUTELY must to pick from between these two models, get the TP2. Nevertheless, to get a decent multimedia / camera phone, I also recommend getting a cheap, second-hand Nokia N95. Or, if you want gaming, an iPhone 3G or an iPod Touch 2G. The best of the two (three) worlds.
Monty Burns said:
Dont hold your breath on the TG01. They just announced the good news, its processor is being upgraded to 1.3ghz, the bad news is that its not even going into Sampling until the end of the year. Phones reaching the shelves were scheduled for "sometime early next year" ... dont forget the inevitable delays
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I read about that, but I thought it meant that there would 'also' be a faster version coming later with current release plans for June/July. Did not think it was 'instead of'. What's Toshiba playing at? If it's true, then I'm guessing they are still having some problems with it and decided to postpone...
Can someone point to something definate regarding the delay ?
Sorry to go off topic.
Thanks,
Zuber
Despite the difference of CPU or some other hardware... WM is much better than SB(Symbian, SB-->means "****" in chinese ^o^ )

Nexus One GETS NEW FROYO updates, but HD2 DOESN'T GET WP7!?

Outrageous. Simply outrageous...why would MS not do that for HD2?.....
Microsoft has some pretty strict hardware requirements for WM7. It's also an entirely new, different OS - you can't drop an engine from a MAC truck into a Smart car.
angingrich said:
Microsoft has some pretty strict hardware requirements for WM7. It's also an entirely new, different OS - you can't drop an engine from a MAC truck into a Smart car.
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Theoretically, WP7 can be dropped into an HD2, due to the fact that both WM6.5 and WP7 both are Windows CE based, but that doesn't mean it can be done. Then again there are videos of WP7 on HD2, but that doesn't mean anything. We'll see what happens with the HD2 when it comes to WP7. I ended up ditching my HD2 for a Desire, due to M$'s stupid move
BTW, I've seen people who drop big V8s in Minis, and look at Volkswagen cramming a W12 motor in a bloody GOLF! (Yes I watch too much Top Gear)
Who knows why they would do that... maybe because Nexus One runs Android and HD2 runs WM. Maybe because Micro$oft and Google are two different companies... just some ideas.
Mainly because Android Linux is open source! Unfortunately, MS WM has been closed and continues to fall farther behind other OS's.
HD2 WP7!
There was never any doubt in my mind that we will be swimming in cooked WinMo7 roms for our HD2 in no time.
But I don't believe there will ever be an official t-mobile ROM update. This is not entirely t-mobiles fault, but rather Big Brother Bill Gates does not want removable MicroSD cards on WinMo7 for some stupid reason.
...and the missing Camera button is another no no according to Reverend Bill Gates and co.
Why? Because if you want WP7 MS would prefer it (for obvious reasons) that you go out and give them more cash by buying a WP7!
As already pointed out, this not the same diference as going up a release level with Android, its a new launch not an upgrade.
WP7 is NOT an upgrade, its a brand new development.
Meaning they are not upgrading/datings existing technology, they are starting over. So I can fully understand why they wouldn't want to give older phones new technology - Not exactly a great business plan.
Android updates are exactly that, updates to the existing OS
the HD2 a year old by the time WP7 starts dropping for real. Year old phones generally mean out of date phones (not always though...).
WP7 looks like a phail-OS to me anyway. To much apple there

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