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HTC Touch Pro Aka Raephel Vs HTC Touch Diamond

Hi,
I am in Delhi (india), and need to buy a new PDA. I am not able to make up my mind on Touch Diamond or Touch pro. HTC touch pro is not yet launched here, and will be launched soon... if somebody knows the date of launch, please let me know.
Can somebody advice me, if it is worth waiting for Touch pro, or go ahead and buy Diamond.
Thanks.

The Touch Pro has the following extra things:
- Slide out keyboard
- 288Mb RAM rather than 192Mb
- 512Mb ROM rather than 256Mb (Diamond also has build in memory for file storage - eg, music etc)
- Flash to go with camera
- more powerful battery
- microSD slot instead of 4Gb built in memory
- fair bit thicker (almost 1cm I think)
- TV out (though an extra cable which needs to be purchased)
You can see a side by side comparison here:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1306&id2=1311

Wrong, the Raphael does not have more ROM. The Diamond has 4gb ROM while the Raphed has only 512mb. I'm pretty sure it's more thicker than an cm, especially when you consider the keyboard

kareem9nba said:
Wrong, the Raphael does not have more ROM. The Diamond has 4gb ROM while the Raphed has only 512mb. I'm pretty sure it's more thicker than an cm, especially when you consider the keyboard
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Right, 18mm to 11.5mm I believe.
It's really not that thick though, believe me...

kareem9nba said:
Wrong, the Raphael does not have more ROM. The Diamond has 4gb ROM while the Raphed has only 512mb. I'm pretty sure it's more thicker than an cm, especially when you consider the keyboard
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To clarify...
The Diamond has 256Mb + the 4Gb storage, whereas the Diamond has 512Mb + microSD card slot.

grahamrb said:
To clarify...
The Diamond has 256Mb + the 4Gb storage, whereas the Diamond has 512Mb + microSD card slot.
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True, however ROM is what's built in so i took it that's what you mean No biggy, good clarification for all.

Very Importantly , It depends on convenience. If you do a lot of typing and used to hardware keyboards then Raphael is a go
If you are used to onscreen keyboard , Touch Diamond has a good onscreen keyboard which gets very comfortable to use.Further , raphael has extra ram ( 288 , but again 64 mb may be off for Graphics processor as diamond )and provides storage card slot.

kareem9nba said:
True, however ROM is what's built in so i took it that's what you mean No biggy, good clarification for all.
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Well, I think the bigger part is that firmware can't be put on the 4GB fixed memory or the microSD card, so the Raphael has more room for that.

Thanks everyone for replying back. Any idea when is "Raphael" launching in India or in Delhi for that matter. And what is the expected price for it ?

Black93300ZX said:
Well, I think the bigger part is that firmware can't be put on the 4GB fixed memory or the microSD card, so the Raphael has more room for that.
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All very true, I will edit my post to try to clarify.

By the way, if diamond has 4 GB fixed memory on the board, and Raphael has only 512 mb of that + microSD card, so wont the Diamond should access the memory faster ?, and it should be more reliable too ?

The speed depends on your MicroSD card, some are pretty fast.

Airtel Might launch Raphael in a few months.

golympio said:
The speed depends on your MicroSD card, some are pretty fast.
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Yes Very Well, High Speed Micro SD's Provide exceptional performance

asksaravana said:
Yes Very Well, High Speed Micro SD's Provide exceptional performance
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SanDisk mircoSDHC Ultra II 8gb? Is it any good?
Still wondering when we will see 12GB or even 16GB microSDHC cards... all have been announced in january... odd

Jorlin said:
SanDisk mircoSDHC Ultra II 8gb? Is it any good?
Still wondering when we will see 12GB or even 16GB microSDHC cards... all have been announced in january... odd
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Yeah, I googled for about 15 mins for some but could only find them on pre-order (the 12Gb ones) with no release date or price.

mnshsnghl said:
By the way, if diamond has 4 GB fixed memory on the board, and Raphael has only 512 mb of that + microSD card, so wont the Diamond should access the memory faster ?, and it should be more reliable too ?
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Ok lets try again...
Diamond RAM: 192MB. Raphael RAM: 288MB.
Diamond ROM: 256MB. Raphael ROM: 512MB.
Diamond Extra memory: 4GB(Internal). Raphael Extra memory: MicroSD.
RAM is for loading programs and using the phone.
ROM is for storing windows and programs.
Extra memory is for programs, music, video and images.
Hope it helps.

4GB intern sucks, I have a 8gb micro sd hc which I also can use for other stuf. Also reading and writing goes faster with memorycard reader than using the phone with usb cable.

Jorlin said:
SanDisk mircoSDHC Ultra II 8gb? Is it any good?
Still wondering when we will see 12GB or even 16GB microSDHC cards... all have been announced in january... odd
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Recieved my sandisk 8gb mobile ultra class 6! microsdhc card today.
Replaced my 4gb class 2.
My kaiser is flying with this new card...
Looking up adresses in tomtom could be a pain, but now it's done in the blink of an eye.
The speed makes up for the extra money (and that is not much to start with: 41 euro incl shipment) !!!!

kareem9nba said:
True, however ROM is what's built in so i took it that's what you mean No biggy, good clarification for all.
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Just to clarify further it makes no difference whether the memory is built in or not... ROM is Read Only Memory and is generally where the operating system is stored and where the device boots from. The additional on-board 4gb in the Diamond is RAM which is available for storing user files...

Xperia Neo/Pro

Does any1 for sure know how much RAM there is in these 2 phones ?
thanks

Well, its quite not clear yet... but as far as the rumors go, its supposed to have atleast 380 MB available to the user. Or it may also ship woth 512MB which is standard now.
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i fear that it might come with 380.. thats kind of low :/.. too low. 512 mb user available would be cool
ehh.. fingers scrossed, im almost certain ill get neo

neo/pro RAM Offical info!
These two phone have divided RAM. It’s the Sony Ericsson new technology. The RAM full size is 512mb from which the system take away 132mb for itself. Thus the freely useable RAM is 380mb. It is used only by installed programs. Thus the free RAM is always about 100mb, in the case when there are a lot of programs ont he phone too. This is richly enough. On the top of that, the size of the Cache is well bigger than in the case of other manufacturers. This new technology is developed with Qualcomm altogether .

Optimus 3D Defect?!

my Hardware Info Apps shows me, that my lpg920 has
441 Mb System RAM. Shouldnt it 512Mb??

Im pretty sure this is because of the rest being restricted or reserved for the things like the actual phone for calls and texts and the essentials so that way it wont get auto killed and stop phone working .. its the same with any phone now like my nexus said 371mb instead of 512 so 441 is alot for a 512mb phone

Hmm it says: 441Mb Ram, 137Mb in use, 304 free..

I would imagine its the GPU etc, I recall on the the GS2 had 1 gig in specs but only had 800 odd meg total.
I don't know how you have so much free mind, I have never had more than 180 free on this and that's on a fresh install.

Yeah its the same as the old pc setup where you have shared ram, so 512mb becomes 441mb of system ram and 71mb of graphics memory but remember that there are TWO 512mb chips in the phone so actually you have physically 142mb of graphics ram and and 882mb of system ram but these are halfed down to create the really fast dual channel system.
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hefonthefjords said:
Yeah its the same as the old pc setup where you have shared ram, so 512mb becomes 441mb of system ram and 71mb of graphics memory but remember that there are TWO 512mb chips in the phone so actually you have physically 142mb of graphics ram and and 882mb of system ram but these are halfed down to create the really fast dual channel system.
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If it has 2x512mb chips they should have just made it with 1gb of on board ram and forgot the dual channel memory as it doesn't make any noticeable difference having it over the GS2 with its single channel.

hefonthefjords said:
Yeah its the same as the old pc setup where you have shared ram, so 512mb becomes 441mb of system ram and 71mb of graphics memory but remember that there are TWO 512mb chips in the phone so actually you have physically 142mb of graphics ram and and 882mb of system ram but these are halfed down to create the really fast dual channel system.
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That is totally not how dual channel works, if it has 2x512MB you would have usable 1GB.
Dual channel memory is basically like striping on a RAID hard drive array. It interleaves data between the two channels so that while one channel is busy it can read/write the next piece of data to the other channel. It slightly reduces the time the system is left waiting for RAM to be ready for access.
Its exactly the same as dual channel on a PC, its just phones were not really fast enough to bother doing it on until now. However as such its not the holy grail, as if you need to access data already in RAM you still need to access the RAM chip its actually stored on which might just be on the channel currently being used. It just means due to the interleaving once you start reading back its likely to be spread across both banks so can utilise both channels. Lets not forget, its still only supposed to be something like a 10% increase in performance on PC and I expect nothing more here either.
What you are describing is like mirroring and would make no sense, as it would only speed up reading back data when RAM needs to be equally fast reading and writing.
Arguably though, we would get a much better speed boost from using better FLASH memory than dual-channel RAM. Lag in all computing devices is primarily IO waits, its why even the O3D stalls when installing apps.
Its bizarre we are running the OS from chips doing 5-20MB/s when there are SSDs capable of 550MB/s now.

i think 2*256 modules

Alex Atkin UK said:
That is totally not how dual channel works, if it has 2x512MB you would have usable 1GB.
Dual channel memory is basically like striping on a RAID hard drive array. It interleaves data between the two channels so that while one channel is busy it can read/write the next piece of data to the other channel. It slightly reduces the time the system is left waiting for RAM to be ready for access.
Its exactly the same as dual channel on a PC, its just phones were not really fast enough to bother doing it on until now. However as such its not the holy grail, as if you need to access data already in RAM you still need to access the RAM chip its actually stored on which might just be on the channel currently being used. It just means due to the interleaving once you start reading back its likely to be spread across both banks so can utilise both channels. Lets not forget, its still only supposed to be something like a 10% increase in performance on PC and I expect nothing more here either.
What you are describing is like mirroring and would make no sense, as it would only speed up reading back data when RAM needs to be equally fast reading and writing.
Arguably though, we would get a much better speed boost from using better FLASH memory than dual-channel RAM. Lag in all computing devices is primarily IO waits, its why even the O3D stalls when installing apps.
Its bizarre we are running the OS from chips doing 5-20MB/s when there are SSDs capable of 550MB/s now.
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the discussion is not about dual channel memory. i know fine well how 64bit memory addressing works. the discussion is about MEMORY ALLOCATION in a dual ram system. dual ram implies that there is mirroring happening but obviously i can't say that for sure as i havent ripped apart my shiny new phone to examine it.
i think the reason the chips are cheap is literally because they are cheap. also dedicated flash drives have dedicated storage controllers and what amounts to unlimited supply of DC to hammer all that data in and out with. these sorts of things aren't feasible on a device this size. bear in mind that the entire computational system in this device is crammed onto a 2 inch by 1 inch pcb and basically everything, calculation and processing wise, is taken care of by tiddly processors with only milliamps or even microamps of power shared between them, built by the cheapest bidder with the cheapest parts.

64bit memory allocation is in no way related to dual memory or dual channel Memory.
Alex was totally right about the concept of Dual Channel and that same concept is implemented in the O3D. The Tri-Dual concept created by LG states the phone has dual core, dual channel, dual memory. The only way to achieve dual channel is by having dual memory as you need two strips of memory for it to work. Every other phone that has 512MB will have either a single 512MB chip or two 256 chips working in single channel. In the case of the O3D the Dual Memory is just a marketing term, the phone has two (or "dual") 256MB DDR2 modules which work in dual channel.
No mirroring, no 2x512MB memory, just a basic dual channel setup which you'll find in any relatively modern pc. Put two strips of 2GB DDR1/2/3 in any dual channel capable motherboard and you'll effectively have 4GB of RAM working in dual channel.

should speed the phone up more than 10% as the core and memory can work indepently /ram and core eack core decoding recording video. If the firmware can switch of a core while not idle could result in battery savings too. remember its not dual core 2x 1ghz and 2x 512mb of ram lol would be cool though

8GB or 16GB - Does it really matter?

There seems to be some good deals around on the 8GB model at the moment but not for the 16GB. Obviously more memory is always better - the phone it will replace is the Samsung S2 which has been memory bound, however with an SD slot in the Moto G will it actually be an issue having less onboard?
I know that Android M has ability to use SD cards for system storage and that it hasn't been released yet. This can only be a few weeks away?
At near half the price of the 16GB, is the 8GB a much better purchase?

What about the difference in RAM? 2gb better than 1.

jlmcr87 said:
What about the difference in RAM? 2gb better than 1.
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Oh, I hadn't appreciated that - thanks for pointing that out....I guess it could be a bit of a dog without enough RAM?

Size does matters my friends....
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My 1GB RAM model is pretty great for the price. Battery life is fantastic, however having the low_ram flag enabled in build.prop is a bit of an issue for some apps.
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/5092b3f241

1 GB RAM vs. 2 GB RAM really does make a difference.
Initially I bought the 1 GB Moto G, as here in Germany the 2 GB version is only available with a hefty price tag via Moto Maker. Later on replaced this with a 2 GB Moto G ordered from Amazon Italy (less expensive than the 1 GB version here in Germany ).
At first glance performance is pretty much the same.
Though the 2 GB version can keep more apps in memory in the background.
With 1 GB I had sometimes the problem that Android did kill e.g. the Music player running in the background while surfing the web with Google Chrome (Chrome is a huge memory hog).
So far I didn't have such issues with the 2 GB Moto G.
Also the 2 GB version is for sure more future proof. Which is important if you are not willing to buy a new phone every 1-2 years.
My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy S Plus. Which was perfectly ok for my everyday tasks since I think back in 2011 until a few weeks ago - thanks to good custom ROM support.
What made me exchange it for the Moto G in the end was the performance bottle neck caused by the lack of free memory (512 MB) and not the CPU or the rest of the hardware.
So I hope thanks to 2 GB RAM the Moto G will last me at least as long as my old Galaxy S Plus.

It doesn't really matter if you picked up a high speed SD card and use Marshmallow. I've seen no problems with the external SD -> internal SD feature.
About the RAM difference, you should use virtualized RAM as soon as you can if you're using the 1 GB model.

I only paid the extra because of that extra 1gb of ram. Believe me...it matters!! If you want to keep app updates coming, xposed modules running, etc etc....you need that extra ram. This is a great phone out of the box, but if you're here and you're asking, you're probably not leaving it untouched

I've got the 1gb model, and never found myself wanting more. Of course I keep my use simple. But for what I do, its more than enough.

My previous device had 1 GB of RAM. In my opinion, the 2 GB is definitely worth the extra cash. The multitasking difference is night and day to me, and I no longer have to worry about what is running in the background slowing the device down. I do a fair amount of gaming on Android as well, it is nice to sit back and play a game with Pandora or similar running without the OS killing it to free up memory for the game.

The 2gb makes it much more future proof. I have the 2gb version and I have never had to close any app most of the time. With 1gb of ram, you will have to close apps much more often making multi tasking a little more difficult.

SirSoviet said:
It doesn't really matter if you picked up a high speed SD card and use Marshmallow. I've seen no problems with the external SD -> internal SD feature.
About the RAM difference, you should use virtualized RAM as soon as you can if you're using the 1 GB model.
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What is 'virtualized ram?'
I'm in the boat with the 1 giggers and I'm curious how to do that.
I mainly use this phone for office tasks and it performs incredibly, but hey! An increase is an increase right?
Also curious about the posters response about low_ram flag.

christopherrrg said:
What is 'virtualized ram?'
I'm in the boat with the 1 giggers and I'm curious how to do that.
I mainly use this phone for office tasks and it performs incredibly, but hey! An increase is an increase right?
Also curious about the posters response about low_ram flag.
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In Kernel Adiutor there is a Virtual Memory section and if you scroll down all the way there is a slider called Z-RAM. You can adjust the size of the memory there. Instead of using a swap file this compresses the RAM, making room for extra storage. But it has downsides, the extra processing required to compress the RAM eats the battery at a slightly faster rate.
I haven't heard about the low_ram flag, I'm afraid that I cannot tell you about it.

SirSoviet said:
In Kernel Adiutor there is a Virtual Memory section and if you scroll down all the way there is a slider called Z-RAM. You can adjust the size of the memory there. Instead of using a swap file this compresses the RAM, making room for extra storage. But it has downsides, the extra processing required to compress the RAM eats the battery at a slightly faster rate.
I haven't heard about the low_ram flag, I'm afraid that I cannot tell you about it.
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Thanks! It passed me honestly because I haven't messed around with any kernels since my n5. Usually just flash and let it fly lol I'm gonna check it out now though, appreciate the push!

Is 6GB worth it over 4GB?

I have a 6GB Mate 9 and it is hands down the fastest zippiest smoothest loveliest phone I have ever owned.
I'm not sure if this is due to Huawei's alleged anti-slowdown software, the faster processor (although getting any phone I got had the fastest processor available at the time and never felt this quick), or the fact that I chose one with a whopping 6GB RAM.
I now want to buy a Mate 10 and can get either the 6GB or the 4GB version. Does the extra GB make that much difference? I've heard that android doesn't use it. But then why are phones coming out in 6GB and even 8GB versions? I'm hoping devs on here will have a better idea of extra RAM usage than the general public.

i'm no dev but ram is ram.. think of it as a pc , could u fill up 6gb of ram ? yes, depends on usage. what about the mate 10 ? yes and again it all depends on your usage, whether u wanna do so is all up to you.
of course you have to factor in the factory rom and ram memory freeing algorithm and how it works. so is it beneficial for your kind of usage all goes back to you whether u wanna spend the lil extra to have 2 more gb of ram or not.
with my mate 9 at 4 gb i usually have 1gb+ of ram free for my kind of usage, so a 6gb version wouldn't necessarily be useful with my kind of usage or with the apps that i use.
you decide my friend.

You never know what future version of Android or other software require. I would go for the 6 Gb version.

don't think it is worth it,mostly useless.i'd go for the 4gb and save some money.