I do a bit of text editing on my Palm and don't like having to take the stylus out of its silo when I'm using the keyboard, just to move text.
So how do I select text using the keyboard?
The Treo manual says:
Highlighting text
You can use the 5-way or the stylus to
highlight text on the screen:
• 5-way: Press and hold Shift ( or
) while pressing Right , Left ,
Up , or Down to extend the
highlight in that direction.
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I must be doing something wrong, but I can't get that to work.
Hi,
The 5 way button moves you round a text (email, SMS etc) the same way your cursor keys do on your pc.
If you hold the shift key on your treo the 5 way button will highlight: > next character, < preceding character, v line below, ^ line above.
Multiple presses while still holding shift allow you to select large blocks of text easily.
Cheers
Angus
If you hold the shift key on your treo the 5 way button will highlight
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Yes, that's what the manual says. My point is that it doesn't work. Not for me. Not on my device.
The Shift key works. Pressing it (either the left or right one) displays the "up arrow" icon. The 5-way button works - I can move the cursor. Pressing and holding the shift while using the 5-way button doesn't do anything (i.e. I just move the cursor around the text without selecting anything).
Just goes to prove - should have checked it, it doesn't do what the manual says at all - although it does work on my old treo 600. What a pain!
yes, i have been email to palm, and also call up to palm. they say it is a mistake from palm company, and will update the rom soon!! OMG!!! That`s Suck!!!
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I used to have a Blue Angel, now I have a Kaiser - both suffer from the same annoyance.
In Fn mode, the Backspace (delete to left of cursor) becomes Delete (Delete to right of cursor) and the arrow keys turn into other things as well.
The backspace issue would be circumventable if the left arrow still worked, you could do LEFT, DEL instead of BKSP.
All I would like is some way to be able to punch in numbers but still be able to access BKSPACE...
Thank god it works as I want in the phone dial screen on the kaiser (automatically assumes number on key not letter) which was the main reason I wanted something like this, but some way to have a fn lock that only changes the keys with numbers on them rather than all the blue Fn symbols (ie changing bksp) would be nice too.
Any ideas?
for those who use on-screen keyboard on devices such as HTC Touch, the "send" button is very close to the lower side of the keyboard and it sometimes happen that I accidentally press "send" before I finish composing a message is there a way to either set a timer on the button (i.e. having to press it for 200 ms in order to send the message) ?
also, is there a way to delete all sent sms without emptying the inbox (apart from selecting all messages and pressing delete, of course...) ?
mcoquet said:
for those who use on-screen keyboard on devices such as HTC Touch, the "send" button is very close to the lower side of the keyboard and it sometimes happen that I accidentally press "send" before I finish composing a message is there a way to either set a timer on the button (i.e. having to press it for 200 ms in order to send the message) ?
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I don't think there is.. sorry. Its actually a pretty good idea cause I do that a lot too on my Tilt
ok to avoid this problem, i now use Pocket CM which is pretty good (except for a few bugs to be ironed out in next release), it requires a 250 ms "send"press
and by the way, if you want to empty only one of your sms folders ("sent" for exemple) without clearing the inbox, go get "inbox extender" at MoDaCo !
I find selecting and copying text very difficult.
For example, from calendar. Which by the way I have to "edit" because you can't dial a phone number from a calendar. ( Seriously google are you just kidding around with that by the way? )
Mainly the selecting part.
I find this impossible to do easily, takes multiple tries because of not getting the cursor positions right, and I don't think it's just me.
Here is my workflow. Can anyone see what I am doing wrong?
1. First, the keyboard takes up half the screen so now I'm left with only about 5 lines of text so I have to scroll around the meeting text entry to field to find the text I want to select. ( If I hide the keyboard with downswipe or other method it does not come back! )
2. When you find the text you want say a phone number 1-752-555-5234 I try to touch immediately before the 1, but as soon as I touch the screen, the entire field scrolls to the bottom.
3. Now I have to repeat step 1
4. I seem to have to do steps 1 to 3 twice for some reason (not kidding) it does not seem to give me the vertical cursor hairline (calling it a hairs width thickness is being generous ) the first time.
5. Now, I will have the cursor correctly at 1. Because if I am one digit off, I have to repeat steps 1 through 4 until I get it correctly positioned.
6. Now, long press on screen, choose select text.
7. Now repeat steps 1, 3 and 4 (skipping 2) until get the cursor at the correct ending position.
8. Once this is done, which for me can take up to several minutes to do, I can easily copy and paste the text.
If you've used an iPhone or even Windows Mobile 6.x you know how hard it is to understand that google failed so miserably at this.
bwolmarans said:
I find selecting and copying text very difficult.
For example, from calendar. Which by the way I have to "edit" because you can't dial a phone number from a calendar. ( Seriously google are you just kidding around with that by the way? )
Mainly the selecting part.
I find this impossible to do easily, takes multiple tries because of not getting the cursor positions right, and I don't think it's just me.
Here is my workflow. Can anyone see what I am doing wrong?
1. First, the keyboard takes up half the screen so now I'm left with only about 5 lines of text so I have to scroll around the meeting text entry to field to find the text I want to select. ( If I hide the keyboard with downswipe or other method it does not come back! )
2. When you find the text you want say a phone number 1-752-555-5234 I try to touch immediately before the 1, but as soon as I touch the screen, the entire field scrolls to the bottom.
3. Now I have to repeat step 1
4. I seem to have to do steps 1 to 3 twice for some reason (not kidding) it does not seem to give me the vertical cursor hairline (calling it a hairs width thickness is being generous ) the first time.
5. Now, I will have the cursor correctly at 1. Because if I am one digit off, I have to repeat steps 1 through 4 until I get it correctly positioned.
6. Now, long press on screen, choose select text.
7. Now repeat steps 1, 3 and 4 (skipping 2) until get the cursor at the correct ending position.
8. Once this is done, which for me can take up to several minutes to do, I can easily copy and paste the text.
If you've used an iPhone or even Windows Mobile 6.x you know how hard it is to understand that google failed so miserably at this.
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While I admit copying/pasting does not seem particularly easy on our phones, the Calendar app we have is NOT the stock Android one so you should actually aim your criticism at Samsung. Same with the Messaging app (Samsung's work, not Google's). I'm slightly more used to the iPhone long press technique and it's magnifying glass technique, but I'm sure it's something they'll (they being Samsung) will attempt to improve
if you are using the Samsung keboard. Long press the 123? key, that will take you to an editing menu.
cesierra said:
if you are using the Samsung keboard. Long press the 123? key, that will take you to an editing menu.
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This works on the swype keyboard as well; swipe your finger to the right from the info button to the SYM button and it brings up a selection keyboard. Very useful
-deuX`
cesierra said:
if you are using the Samsung keboard. Long press the 123? key, that will take you to an editing menu.
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And your point is? Have you ever tried selecting test with that? Clearly not.
EDIT: My Bad. THANK YOU, Cesierra.
With a little practice that works great. For those who are curious, it works. It positions the cursor start position at the bottom of the calendar entry. From there you can up-arrow to position the cursor exactly where you want, then selection is easy. A very good kludge as kludges go, I am impressed.
you are welcome
Thank you cesierra/deuX!
I learned something new here.
I really like it when someones first post is a helpful one
deuX` said:
This works on the swype keyboard as well; swipe your finger to the right from the info button to the SYM button and it brings up a selection keyboard. Very useful
-deuX`
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Cool thanks for sharing... never knew that!
Hi guys,
My digitizer has died, and till the new one comes I was thinking of how I could use my T7272, I can write the SMS fine, but I can't send them out, cause the button is on the screen itself... is there a rom I could use freely w/o using the touchscreen?
P.S.
Is the digitizer hard to replace?
You could check out AE Button; it has some options like button presses that will activate soft buttons. I suspect you could send sms's using it. You could also try using mortscripts with AE button that will do stuff you need. There are some pretty simple scripts that will simulate screen taps, and you could assign them to a button push. I'd rather have a working touchscreen, though.
Here are some of the commands:
# 91: startmenu (on some devices it might be home button)
# 92: back key (not the backspace key but back key for closing applications which is available on some devices such as diamnd or blackstone)
# 93: menu key
#112: left softkey
#113: right softkey
#114: accept call (green button)
#115: hang up (red button)
#117: volume up
#118: volume down
#126: data disconnect
#127: toggle speaker
#133: devicelock
#223: power off
I use one to lock the device. Basically, you just put this:
Code:
sendspecial(133)
in a .txt file, and change the extension to .mscr. I call it Lock.mscr, and I have it assigned to a few different actions (like when a call comes in, a script locks the phone). So, sendspecial(112) and sendspecial(113) might help you out. There's also one for hitting 'Ok' in popups, which would probably work for you. I can't find it, though (google 'sendspecial' and you'll find it, it's all on msdn).
Anyway, if you install mortscript (maybe you already have it) as well as AE Button, you could assign button pushes to carry out those actions. Just stick the scripts somewhere easy, like the start menu, and it will be easy to set up.
If you want to get more complicated, there are also mortscript commands that simulate button pushes on the screen. You could set one up that would do just about anything. Also, SK Schema does similar stuff. You can write fairly simple sequences of button pushes that will do just about anything. This is one that I use that runs SK Tools Pim backup (I have it scheduled to run every night in the middle of the night).
#r(\windows\sktstart.exe) #p(STH:20)
#tap(146;602) #sleep(15000)
#tap(110;533) #sleep(500)
#tap(339;455) #sleep(500)
#tap(126;604) #sleep(500)
#tap(114;84) #sleep(500)
#tap(146;99) #sleep(5000)
#tap(310;254) #sleep(90000)
#tap(433;602) #sleep(10000)
#pwr() #sleep(10000)
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Basically, the backup tool gets launched in line 1, then there are a bunch of screen taps (w/ delays, to make sure everything is ready) in the menus to get the right options selected, followed by turning the device off.
I`m not sure... But i saw somewhere app that emulate a mouse (cursor) and you will be able to control this mouse with your D-pad... But I can be wrong...
I can't install that mortscript w/o the touchscreen though..damn it..: )..
Get MyMobiler, and use it to run your device off of a pc. You should be able to get that working.
I'm thinking of moving to T-Mobile, and I've seen some pics of the myTouch 4G Slide / HTC Doubleshot. However, the qwerty keypad seems to be missing arrow keys... Is there any arrow keys (or equivalent) on the qwerty keypad? I do some manipulation on spreadsheets and arrow keys are important for me.
The middle sensor button replaces the arrow keys.
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I'm thinking of moving to T-Mobile, and I've seen some pics of the myTouch 4G Slide / HTC Doubleshot. However, the qwerty keypad seems to be missing arrow keys... Is there any arrow keys (or equivalent) on the qwerty keypad? I do some manipulation on spreadsheets and arrow keys are important for me.
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If you notice on the bottom of the phone in the center there is an optical trackpad. It takes the place of arrow keys, you can use it to position the cursor. It also moves the homescreen back and forth and with stock roms can be pressed to wake up or put to sleep (some other roms have managed to implement that, as well, but not all).
I have the Slide. Since you asked on XDA I assume you are a coder or an aspiring coder.
I'd like to share my thoughts on the optical trackpad. To me as one who uses vi in ConnectBot console, the trackpad is no replacement for the keypad. The difference is that the keypad has the typomatic function where you want to go way to the right, just press and hold the right button. Can't do that with the optical trackpad; you have to slide your finger to the right 80 times to go there. (I know the vi $ command does it, but that's a 2-key action instead of 1 key because there isn't a dedicated '2' key: alt+2).
I'd add that the optical trackpad does implement the ctrl function when pressing the optical trackpad button when used under ConnectBot.
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I have the Slide. Since you asked on XDA I assume you are a coder or an aspiring coder.
I'd like to share my thoughts on the optical trackpad. To me as one who uses vi in ConnectBot console, the trackpad is no replacement for the keypad. The difference is that the keypad has the typomatic function where you want to go way to the right, just press and hold the right button. Can't do that with the optical trackpad; you have to slide your finger to the right 80 times to go there. (I know the vi $ command does it, but that's a 2-key action instead of 1 key because there isn't a dedicated '2' key: alt+2).
I'd add that the optical trackpad does implement the ctrl function when pressing the optical trackpad button when used under ConnectBot.
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I prefer using adb on computer instead of using a built in terminal
Riyal said:
I prefer using adb on computer instead of using a built in terminal
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To be quite honest, i'd rather do everything I would do in adb through the terminal directly on the device if possible.
Especially anymore with the times few and very far between (at least at the moment) that I have access to a real computer, terminal capability has become more of a necessity then a preference.
About the arrow keys:
If you root then you can replace the keylayout file to add them, the pictures on the physical keys won't match up is all.
My first modified keylayout changed home to up, menu to down, back to left and genius to right arrow keys on the slide out keyboard - leaving those same keys in-tact for functionality on the face of the device.
When you slide out the keyboard, those four keys have the same function as the four keys at the bottom of the screen on the face of the device - seemed to me like they were begging for the change.
Aside from that, though, as nifty as the optical trackpad button is, and how incredibly useful it can be at times, it remains a poor substitute for actual arrow keys themselves.
Seriously considering getting a mytouch 4G slide, but the lack of arrow keys is the current deal breaker.
Can the trackpad be used efficiently to replace arrow keys? I do a lot of spreadsheet manipulation, and was wondering if it's going to work as well as arrow keys. It seems to be immensely irritating whenever I enter data into a cell, I need to move my fingers away from the QWERTY keyboard to the trackpad in order to move to the next cell, and then move my fingers back to the QWERTY board again...
Other posts here commented on key remapping, do the remapped keys alleviate the problem somewhat?
I think yes it's possible to remap some of it's keys into arrow keys.
It's possible to create new combination keys like pressing the www/.com + the letter O key would make up for the up arrow key. Some of the people here know how to mess with the keyconfigs so it's really good asking help with them. I just brought up the idea that it's possible but haven't really invested time looking into it but yeah I'mm 100% sure it's possible.