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Would it be possible for someone (with a bit more knowledge then me) to update the Wizard Wiki: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=wizard_WM_6
If you look at the available WM6 ROMS on the Wiki page you can see that almost all the new ROMS are not included. I think if this page could be updated and if we could add a short descreption/link to each rom, we would lose a lot off, "which rom is the best" and "what are you using" threads.
I agree with you partly, the wiki does need updating. I will volunteer my services and update it a bit mid next week when i have more time.
I plan on putting basic rom information and an "im stuck in bootloader HELP!" section and im not too certain what else to include.
Perhaps the rom section could include the most recent working roms that are available. The trouble is there are so many roms, many of them just variations of the same thing.
'The Best Rom' is a subjective description based on one's personal preference. First time flashers should ask themselves "What am i looking for in a rom?, How important is speed, stability, free memory etc?, what apps do i use all the time?" and then choose an appropriate rom, instead of posting a poll asking random people for their opinion on which rom is best.
I agree with you! Fisrt time users should find out for themselves what they are looking for in a ROM, but if the general information about the different ROMS is easily available in one thread, they can easily comprare them and make there own choice, instead of posting new threads eveytime.
And with regard to all the different ROMS, we can also keep it a bit more simple and only put the most recent and most used ROMS in the wiki. This will give enough choice for the noobies and will give a nice view on what's out there.
it would also help if a mod could sticky the wiki at the top of this forumso it was more easily accessible
Ok. Four days from now I will begin updating. Im not looking to overhaul what exists already but I would like to make it a bit more complete. I will aim to limit the deletion of content.
In the meantime perhaps members could suggest what could be improved with the current format of wiki. I would be interested to hear what other people think of the current wizard wiki in terms of readability, relevance of information, content etc.
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Ok. Four days from now I will begin updating. Im not looking to overhaul what exists already but I would like to make it a bit more complete. I will aim to limit the deletion of content.
In the meantime perhaps members could suggest what could be improved with the current format of wiki. I would be interested to hear what other people think of the current wizard wiki in terms of readability, relevance of information, content etc.
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I think that is a very good idea, but i do partly think you are wasting your time as the new poeple would not read it!!1 They would still ask a million different things!!
Lees said:
Would it be possible for someone (with a bit more knowledge then me) to update the Wizard Wiki: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=wizard_WM_6
If you look at the available WM6 ROMS on the Wiki page you can see that almost all the new ROMS are not included. I think if this page could be updated and if we could add a short descreption/link to each rom, we would lose a lot off, "which rom is the best" and "what are you using" threads.
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I'm sure you are capable enough to update the wiki Just need to spend a bit more time doing some research works that you are interested. I've done a whole WM6 Underground page during my research on upgrading to WM6.
Anyway, the "which rom is the best" is a personal thing which seems to be directly influenced by the 'freshness' of the ROM (e.g. new roms tend to be better than older ones). While you can always put a "best-est" rom at the wiki, noobs will probably just post and ask. Chances are, if anyone were to look at wiki, they would have looked through all the ROMs threads on people opinion on the ROM.
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it would also help if a mod could sticky the wiki at the top of this forumso it was more easily accessible
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It is a waste of time. There are a lot of stickies that arent' read. If some just do not want to spend time reading, it will be useless to have million of flashing stickies. How many noobs do you think read one of those stickies saying search before you post?
Hello!
In the past days the wiki section of ROM upgrading was updated.
The method in wich you used MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe is now considered old school and not safe.
Now, for ROM upgrading, you have to use ROMUpgradeUt.exe wich you can find here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36715&d=1176001960
The wiki explains very clearly what to do with the above archive and how to install/upgrade your Universal (Qtek 9000/SPV M5000/Dopod 900/O2 Exec/etc).
But there is something that might rise problems to new people like me.
In the Wiki (both at Radio upgrade and OS ROM upgrade) it is used a picture that shows the old MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe file.
Some users (like me) might not understand wich file to use:
the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe or the ROMUpgradeUt.exe.
Also, i think in both sections (Radio Upgrade & OS ROM upgrade) should be more informations about what the status of Flight Mode should be before beggineing the upgrade.
And also if there is necesary to take out the SIM and the SD/MMC card.
Also, i think that many people have problems to understand if the custom upgrades are suitable for their devices.
for example, the Wiki section for SIM Unlock says that the method is suitable only for HTC Universal. I think that it is not very clear if the method works for
SPV M5000/O2 Exec/Dopod 900/etc too. (personally, i know that it is suitable). When i first read this section, i thought that the method only works for Qtek 9000.
There are some things that are not mentioned in the Wiki.
Like the fact that you should first unlock your device and only after that you should mess around with the ROM.
An other fact is that the first page of the Wiki contains a link "Upgrade Bootloader to 1.2". But if you fallow the link, you find out that you will upgrade the bootloader to 1.01 and not to 1.2.
When i first saw this, i thought that someone messed around with the Wiki and made a joke.
My final sugestion is that only Mods and Trusted Senior Members Should be allowed to edit/modify the Wiki.
For example, right now, as far as i understand, there are 2 identical sections of the Wiki refering to Radio Only Upgrade:
1.http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UNI_Radio
2.http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Radio only upgrade instructions
This is not bad. But what if someone (someone bad who bricked his device) comes and modifies the guidelines so that other users brick their devices too.
That's why i suggest that only Trusted users should be allowed to edit/modify the wiki.
I don't want to offend anybody with this thread. This is my opinion and i am open to sugestions. Please accept my apologies for my bad english. I am not an native speaker.
True enough... The Wiki needs a major update, since many new "technologies" have surfaced(for example Jwmcpwright's(did I spell that right...?) ROM does not show the MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe or other files, it is one clean install package, an executable that will guide you through the upgrade), and some methods are being phased out, or have already been abandoned.
Also, other sections of the wiki could use an overhaul, maybe a guide on ROM cooking and/or building.
If only selected people could update the Wiki, it wouldnt be a Wiki any more! Would kind of defeat the point IMHO
But not everyone here has the knowledge, technical specs, details, etc to wirte concise, detailed, accurate articles. Would you like to see wildly inaccurate entries concerning integral parts of your Uni? If someone without the programming knowledge, hardware skills, etc were to follow a procedure outlined in some bogus article, and bricked his PDA, who would be responsible?
Him, because he believed an article from a well-known trusted source(XDA-Dev) without any foreknowledge?
XDA-Dev, for allowing anyone to edit the Wiki, and post bogus?
Or the poster, for posting the bogus article for whatever reason, since anyone could freely edit the Wiki?
This is a question to be considered! I say only those should be allowed to post into the Wiki who have qualified themselves in the forum as having the knowledge to write accurate and detailed articles(Mods don't get appointed for nothing, in my opinion. AND they cooked virtually all the ROMs available here, so I think they qualify for updating...), since we're talking about pretty expensive(~$1,130/555 GBP/whatever currency) and important devices here.
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But not everyone here has the knowledge, technical specs, details, etc to wirte concise, detailed, accurate articles. Would you like to see wildly inaccurate entries concerning integral parts of your Uni? If someone without the programming knowledge, hardware skills, etc were to follow a procedure outlined in some bogus article, and bricked his PDA, who would be responsible?
Him, because he believed an article from a well-known trusted source(XDA-Dev) without any foreknowledge?
XDA-Dev, for allowing anyone to edit the Wiki, and post bogus?
Or the poster, for posting the bogus article for whatever reason, since anyone could freely edit the Wiki?
This is a question to be considered! I say only those should be allowed to post into the Wiki who have qualified themselves in the forum as having the knowledge to write accurate and detailed articles(Mods don't get appointed for nothing, in my opinion. AND they cooked virtually all the ROMs available here, so I think they qualify for updating...), since we're talking about pretty expensive(~$1,130/555 GBP/whatever currency) and important devices here.
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If people dont know what they are doing, they shouldnt mess about with such an expensive bit of hardware. I bet you trust all the articles in Wikipedia to be accurate? That is a Wiki - the whole point of a Wiki is that it contains the vast amount of knowledge from an almost infinite amount of people. The Wiki has a warning about the dangers of flashing a device with BETA roms. If an individual chooses to flash their expensive device, when they are absolutely not sure what they are doing, it is THEIR FAULT, no-one elses, and they are STUPID for doing it in the first place
I do trust articles in Wikipedia because I know that they are supervised by teams of moderators(although their presence is not so noticeable as it is here), who monitor articles, correct mistakes, and remove bogus articles. I've had articles deleted because they contained information deemed false(I've corrected the errors in my knowledge since then ), so I know what they do, and I am grateful that they do it.
All right, let everyone edit the Wiki! But then you have to have a set of moderator-supervisors to ensure there are no inaccuracies. Let's count how many active members are there with the know-how to supervise a Software-Wiki: Lt.Cmdr.Ivan; Laurentius26; Beast0898; they are the ones who can be counted on as a "patrol", Jwrightmcps can probably be called upon(but he doesn't post too often...). They have cooked ROMs that are used by many many people out there, so they probably know what they are doing.
There are people out there, who took apart their devices, until they were picking at the individual chips from the mainboard, then put it back together to have it working without a hitch. THEY know what they are doing.
Now, suppose I put up an article that says "Hey, did you know, if you do this during an update, than this when it starts up, and finally you write this into these files, your Uni will triple its speed, and will never hang, PLUS, you get to connect to secured Wifi networks(an inability shared by most ROMs available...)!". Some new user John Doe comes along, no programming skills, first ROM-upgrade, and says "Hey, this guy knows what he's doing, let's follow his advice!" BANG! 1 bricked Universal, coming right up.
Now who's to blame? Me, the site, or the new guy?
When I upgraded my Uni for the first time a month ago, I didn't know what I was doing, I was placing my $1000+ device into the hands of Jwrightmcps, cause he seemed like the sort of guy you could count on not to screw up the upgrade-guide.
But when I first came to this forum, I flamed a guy for calling the screen connector cable "Coaxial", because I knew coaxial cables as the cable you get TV on. Would you trust an article written by me, in this light? I wouldn't. And would have you trusted my articles before knowing this bit of info? I would have...
Now do you see the risks of unmoderated editing? Hope this cleared my point up a bit.
And no need to overuse capitals, it makes you seem you're flaming...
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Now who's to blame? Me, the site, or the new guy?
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Definitely the new guy.
The site says xda-developers, not xda-newusers.
Mods does not have all the time in the world to moderate everything.
A Wiki is a wiki... it's a means to share knowledge. A wiki is always partially innaccurate. It's up to you to do more research before believing something to be true. But if you're just too gullible, then this site isn't for you.
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Mods does not have all the time in the world to moderate everything.
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My point exactly. If they are the only ones who may post, then there is no need for that, since only articles from trustworthy sources will be posted.
uhm, I might be asking a stupid question, but I have not found any Information about updateing Radio ROM or the OS and extended ROM when using Windows Vista. Is there any chance though?
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uhm, I might be asking a stupid question, but I have not found any Information about updateing Radio ROM or the OS and extended ROM when using Windows Vista. Is there any chance though?
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Not really relevant to this thread...plent of information can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php
You might also want to look here first, as you are a new user: http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=357
Finally, welcome
well I just found out and wanted to inform you, sorry.
so the information that might be added to the wiki is about the windows mobile synch usb driver for Vista so RUU works again. thanks
Seeing as the admins here are stubbornly refusing to create a dedicated sub forum for the x7510, I've set up a free forum which may be found here: http://htcathena.freeforums.org
Please note: I don't WANT to be running a seperate board and I'd prefer to have a sub forum here. However, for as long as the admins ignore our requests I'll keep that forum running.
Should a dedicated x7510 sub forum be created here I will close that forum down. Closing down may be deleting it, or if there were many useful posts simply preventing new posts, so that it dies a slower death over time.
This is NOT an attempt at blackmail, but rather me trying to avoid more devices being bricked.
PS: Please excuse the ads on that site - I've gone with the completely free option, so I'm saddled with the ads!
What's the big deal?
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Seeing as the admins here are stubbornly refusing to create a dedicated sub forum for the x7510, I've set up a free forum which may be found here: http://htcathena.freeforums.org
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What reason could the xda admins possibly have for not creating a sub-forum for the 7510? Or even an entirely new forum? Look at the Elf and the Vogue.
Anyone know the admins' reasoning on this?
Isn't in my mod powers to create a sub section... I am asking to the admins, again. I hope we will have some answers soon
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Isn't in my mod powers to create a sub section... I am asking to the admins, again. I hope we will have some answers soon
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Thank you, although I have to say at this stage I'm quite annoyed with the admins, especially seeing as they cannot even be bothered to respond to any request!
elf and vogue are totally different devices which happen to look the same
one is cdma and one is gsm and they work in totally different ways. the vogue has 400mhz prcessor and the elf 201mhz
also to be perfectly honest, how can people not tell the difference between x7510 and x7500/x7501
you bought a device that cost £700 (according to expansys) so surely you know its model name. and because of the cost, if you see x7500/x7501 unlocker you will be wary of using it, even if you think its a typing error
and on the subject of the elf, the elf has 2 variants elf (64 ram and 128 rom) and elfin (128 ram and 256 rom)
both are different and only the elf has hard spl
flashing one rom for one onto the other will brick it
so the same probs as here
but they deal with it and have stickies saying how to distinguish between them and where to go for hat, and seperate guides for flashing roms onto the elf and elfin etc etc
so maybe thats whats neded here
i think the admins are probably fed up of people requesting fora only to have them empty:gene, pharos, juno, sedna are all pretty empty forums that were massively requested and yet not much comes out of them
and now i just counted the votes in the "we want an x7510 section" thread nd there are 33 in 3 months
yes 33
not exactly a huge number is it
But you may all think im just raining on your parade, but im not, I completely understand why you want a new section, but im just trying to highlight why the admins probably dont want it, there are so many new devices which have massive appeal, compared to a £700 device which is essentially an 18 month old device in new casing.
And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed. Plus, cmones seemed keen to make (or try and make) you guys a hard spl, so why doesnt someone whose a senior (or old) member contact HER and see what she can come up with. she will probably need rom dumps and stuff, but I'm sure she can do it. after all she and others got custom roms on the shift.
night guys, and I hope it works out for you all, and nobody else bricks their devices...
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And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed. Plus, cmones seemed keen to make (or try and make) you guys a hard spl, so why doesnt someone whose a senior (or old) member contact HER and see what she can come up with. she will probably need rom dumps and stuff, but I'm sure she can do it. after all she and others got custom roms on the shift.
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Now THAT was helpful! Why didn't anybody else think about it!
But seriously, CMONEX confirmed she is working on a hard SPL/unlocker and happens to agree with the need for a seperate sub-forum, for a number of valid reasons.
The thing is that a sub-forum will not affect anybody else on XDA-Devs - it won't require more resources, nor more bandwidth. It takes a minute to set up and it may well save several devices.
So please tell me in great detail why there SHOULDN'T be a seperate sub-forum? Why SHOULDN'T things be better organised than the current "pile-everything-into-one-pot" mess? And how exactly will YOU be any worse off should a sub-forum be created?
You will be worse off, won't you? Why else would you be against it?
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Why SHOULDN'T things be better organised than the current "pile-everything-into-one-pot" mess?
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I agree with you on that, NanoRuler. E.g. without the latest Athena ROM link by sergiopi (thanks for it), I wasn't even able to compare all existing ROMs for the x7500 at a glance, there are too many threads spread over the entire forum.
Regarding the x7510, a new sub forum would possibly give a better overview. It hasn't been of major importance until now, but it will become necessary very fast, once the x7510 can be unlocked...we should get prepared for that moment. ;-)
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also to be perfectly honest, how can people not tell the difference between x7510 and x7500/x7501
you bought a device that cost £700 (according to expansys) so surely you know its model name. and because of the cost, if you see x7500/x7501 unlocker you will be wary of using it, even if you think its a typing error
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Yes, except there was no indication NOT to run various tools against the x7510.
rorydaredkign said:
but they deal with it and have stickies saying how to distinguish between them and where to go for hat, and seperate guides for flashing roms onto the elf and elfin etc etc
so maybe thats whats neded here
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My, what an excellent example of good organisation....NOT. Maybe what's required is a rethink in how the forums are structured, eh? And maybe having distinct sub forums for the different models of Athena will help a great deal.
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and now i just counted the votes in the "we want an x7510 section" thread nd there are 33 in 3 months
yes 33
not exactly a huge number is it
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I suggest you go and count again, bearing in mind there are actually requests in different places (perhaps another fringe benefit of piss-poor organisation?)
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I completely understand why you want a new section
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Sure, buddy. You have me COMPLETELY convinced that you have our best interests at heart.
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And so in conclusion, I think a sticky explaining he differences between x7510 and stuff is whats needed.
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And that will sort out the mess how exactly?
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night guys, and I hope it works out for you all, and nobody else bricks their devices...
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Let me re-phrase your sentiment: I don't want you guys to benefit from a seperate section (even though I'm not directly affected!) and I certainly don't want things to become more organised and anyway there's so few of you that your opinion doesn't matter, but hey, here's to no more bricked devices!
I'll be polite here and let you choose the 1st word, but the second word of my reply is certainly "OFF!"
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I agree with you on that, NanoRuler. E.g. without the latest Athena ROM link by sergiopi (thanks for it), I wasn't even able to compare all existing ROMs for the x7500 at a glance, there are too many threads spread over the entire forum.
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you think thee are lots of roms here, go look at damond rom development and then tell us there are loads of roms here...
I really dont mind or care if theres a seperate section, but I can see why you want one, and also why the admins havent made it
I think a seperate section would actually help dev for us, as we could use your roms and port between the two and stuff.. it would lead to a better dev community here
nano, don't take your anger out on rory. He's not a mod and undeserving of your "**** off".
How about you have a few drinks and relax?
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nano, don't take your anger out on rory. He's not a mod and undeserving of your "**** off".
How about you have a few drinks and relax?
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Yes, he's not a mod, but he also did not need to try and build a case against the wishes of quite a few members here using poorly thought out strategies.
He was dismissive without having any reason to be and essentially stated that our opinion doesn't matter (although he didn't quite put it in those words).
Finally, I specifically did NOT tell him to **** off, but gave him some choice in the phrase.
Either somebody's part of the solution...
fair play
hope it works out for you guys
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Further discussion here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=438035
Mike
Admins, thank you for EVENTUALLY listening to us.
However, can we take this a tad further? Somebody's obviously spent quite some time moving threads across and the result is....
a mess, same as every other XDA-Devs forum.
Is there any scope at all for even more sub forums under the existing x7510 one? Obvious ones that jump to mind is a sub forum just for bricked devices, another just for ROMs and perhaps one for performance related matters.
Having different sub forums makes everybody's lives easier and it means you guys have the opportunity to deliver highly targeted advertising (which should bring in more money for you). Everybody wins!
Alternatively we can just go with the present formula, which basically consists of 20 or so stickies at the top, followed by a mish-mash that makes it very difficult to find things even when using the search function.
I would LOVE to see how you lot structure folders on your own systems! If it is anything like XDA-Devs then I gues you often experience that "now-where-did-I-save-it" feeling!
I say patience...and thanks for the child-forum! Maybe we could make a sticky on how to use some prefix or header labels at the beginning of the thread title, e.g. Bricked: after Kaiser rom update my x7510 went black - HELP! or ROM-DL: official HTC X7510 at last! for ROM download links...
@ NanoRuler
I have read your comments here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437317 and elsewhere and now in this thread.
I feel I have to say there are a few things you have said that I find more than a little offensive - just a some of your comments in relation to Admin / Mods / Organisation:
"piss-poor organisation"
"admins here are stubbornly refusing to create a dedicated sub forum"
"admins, especially seeing as they cannot even be bothered to respond to any request"
"My, what an excellent example of good organisation....NOT"
Mixing the above style of comment into your posts, along with your tone in your first post in this thread, is not likely to endear you to Mods, Admins and long standing members here. You see there may be quite a lot of truth in what you say, but it is spoiled by those barbed and untrue comments.
We do monitor how things are going and how things can change, but you have to realise that only a couple of years ago the membership was only a couple of hundred, now it's grown to 195000 active menbers (We MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT!) and a membership well over 1 Million. Add to this that the whole show is kept on the road by a handful of voluntary Mods and 1 Admin who does not have 100% of her time dedicated to the site.
The idea that she has "piss-poor organisation" and has "stubbornly refused to set up a forum", aside from being untrue, is also insulting. As you might imagine with only one Admin, you have to wait to see what overall demand is before leaping in to create new Forum. It does create added Moderation work when new Fora are added and there is nothing more disappointing for members to find a forum that never gets answers because nobody goes there. The demand is guaged over a period of time and when the level seems sufficiently high the Forum is created.
With the level of paid staff = slightly less than 1, you cannot achieve military style organisation and everything working like a Swiss watch. (... and do you know I don't think I'd like it if it did.)
Yes we have a few rough edges (that's what makes us so lovable) and believe me I agree we can improve things over time, only don't expect perfection from such a small team. We rely on members to contribute and make helpful suggestions and to do it politely 'cos we do the best we can with the resources we have - and that includes limited time.
Mike
EDIT: It was me who moved a lot of posts from the Athena Forum to here. You know, while I was doing it I was thinking, this will be awkward without sub-fora for ROM-Development etc. (You see I was thinking along the same lines as YOU). It somewhat cheesed me off though,when I came here, to be told it was a "mess". I disagree, "Mess" is too strong a word, but I do agree we may need a Development Forum at some point.
OK, let's take this from the top, shall we?
"piss-poor organisation"
Please go to this forum, http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=374, then tell me how to find a recent ROM in amongst everything else. I accept your arguments about the growth of XDA-Dev's (hey, despite my objections I remain a fan!) and the lack of admins and moderators. But let's be fair here, have you guys actually ASKED any more members to help out?
I KNOW what's involved being a Mod in a busy forum, I was one at MCMCSE.com, but you can still spread the load a tad more, and delegate tasks more (such as delegate the ability to create sub forums to Mods).
If anything, this struggle to contain the load supports MY argument that XDA-Dev's is NOT very well organised at all. Yes, hindsight is always 20/20 so it is easy for me to now say having seperate sub forums just for ROMs will make things better organised for everybody, and yes, I probably wouldn't have set it up that way had I been asked when XDA-Dev;s was started. But just because there was an oversight in the beginning does it now mean it must be perpetuated?
"admins here are stubbornly refusing to create a dedicated sub forum" and
"admins, especially seeing as they cannot even be bothered to respond to any request"
Hmmm....let me see..... Many requests over a period of more than three months and nobody even bothered to reply to us? Yes, that IS stubbornly refusing. As was stated here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420259 "Mod Edit: Darn I was enjoying watching them suffer!!" was probably intended as a joke, but may well have been a freudian slip!
If you guys weren't being stubborn about it, why didn't you just come back to us and state your reasons for delaying. Why blank us for more than three months?
I think you'll find you guys pretty much scored an own-goal there.
"My, what an excellent example of good organisation....NOT"
Again, you've almost admitted that XDA-Dev's is NOT the best organised forum in the world. That comment was made in response to rorydaredkign's suggestion that using a few stickies would solve all our woes. It was NEVER aimed at this site, its admin or mods, but was only ever aimed at Rory's silly suggestion!
Nobody expects perfection, least of all me. Just don't blank us and don't ignore us. I find THAT insulting, because when you ignore somebody you're also saying through your behaviour that they aren't worthy of your attention. ('ll certainly bear this comment of mine in mind should you choose not to reply )
Nobody expects military organisation, either. Over-organising can be far worse than not organising at all.
Again, at the time that I stated so, admins/mods WERE refusing to create a seperate x7510 sub forum, so I have to disagree with your claim that what I had said was untrue. I'm a lot of things, but I'm NOT a liar, nor have I ever been. (Sadly "endearing" isn't a term typically used to describe me, either!)
Now, having said all of that, I'll also say that I WAS pissed off, especially by the lack of response/action, so I accept that I may have been too quick to accuse.
I wish to apologise for that to the admin, the mods and most members here.
Finally Mike, I NEVER intended the word MESS to describe the seperate x7510 section. Moving everything here in record time must have been an enormous pain and such a move can never immediately result in any degree of order.
Right, I can't change my signature message in that post, so this post is made purely to show the updated signature.
-Edit:- And yet, the signature has changed!
Hi
Okay, I accept there are some vailid points you make. I can assure you there is and has been no deliberate action to stop (or slow down) a forum being created. I think you do have a point about not hearing anything on whether a forum would be created for 3 months. I don't know if I'm proud to say it but that was probably due to a bit of "muddling through", rather than any deliberate action to ignore the forum request. (Almost a case of wait for the clamour for a forum to get very loud and then create it / if not then the request withers on the vine. NOT the most respectful way to deal with the membership I agree but with no guaranteed or co-ordinated hours being put in by Mods and admin (responsibilities for other things)then a more planned approach tends to remain as a good idea but does not get delivered in practice.
Whether Mods should have powers to create forums is an interesting one. Also not one for me to answer. The Admin reports to a Management group and I guess it would be their and her decision. I can see such a suggestion meeting some resistance if only because Mods come and go fairly frequently and to have power over the structure of the boards might be thought a step too far.
... and now I must go to work... late already
Mike
EDIT: I think it's likely you have a lot to offer this Forum, you are obviously interested and have ideas about it. All I would say is, start with the assumption that the Mods and Admin are not against you but with you. We may be slow to change things, for all the reasons I give, but there is no deliberate action to ignore members and you can always send a PM to Mods or Admin if you think something is being missed by us.
Now is time to BUILD the x7510 section!.
Thanks mike for moving the X7510 3Ds here, I am ready to listen suggestions and to better organize the section.
May be Mickyprima or Irus or some other chef would like to be the FIRST in releasing a new ROM?
A sticky "Rom development" thread is needed?
I agree, "it is a start", next step is up to you ( I have an X7500)
sergiopi said:
Now is time to BUILD the x7510 section!.
Thanks mike for moving the X7510 3Ds here, I am ready to listen suggestions and to better organize the section.
May be Mickyprima or Irus or some other chef would like to be the FIRST in releasing a new ROM?
A sticky "Rom development" thread is needed?
I agree, "it is a start", next step is up to you ( I have an X7500)
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Yeah, I moved the more obvious 7510 threads, but not being overly knowledgable about the device, it's entirely possible there are several other threads that need moved.
Also there were a couple that I stickied, because they appeared of on-going importance, but I could be wrong about them. So yes, as sergiopi says, feedback is needed.
Mike
EDIT: side note - many of the moved threads I gave a two day expiring redirect - so they will still appear in the Athena section for a couple of days - just in case that confuses anybody!!
NanoRuler said:
Obvious ones that jump to mind is a sub forum just for bricked devices, another just for ROMs and perhaps one for performance related matters.
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there is no such subforums for x7500 either...except for the one for ROMs of course, and I think that could be a good idea, or maybe rename this section as x7510 and x7510 ROMs.
slow...but sure...
NanoRuler...you need to remember that the 7510 is still a very *new* device and not many members/peeps have it. I have searched the net high and wide for info on the 7510 and to be honest the only place where I get any real info is at these boards...so it may be lacking in many things right now but it is the BEST you can find online...and I know over time things will improve as more people buy this device. I have mine for a few weeks now but I still prefer my universal only cause the 'cooks' have not started working their magic as yet and out of the box I think the 7510 is kinda lame/lacking...
I am reminded by something my dear grand-mom would tell me back in the day...'It's not what you say, but how you say it'.
Count me in if more hands are needed to get things moving faster...and thanks to all the peeps in this forum for making this place a blast to visit.
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NanoRuler...
I am reminded by something my dear grand-mom would tell me back in the day...'It's not what you say, but how you say it'.
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AGREED -- whatever the usefulness of NanoRuler's comments, the negative attitude that is so evident (even in follow-up msg. -- I didn't perceive any real change or even a genuine apology) turned me off and I found myself skimming over much of what he said.
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AGREED -- whatever the usefulness of NanoRuler's comments, the negative attitude that is so evident (even in follow-up msg. -- I didn't perceive any real change or even a genuine apology) turned me off and I found myself skimming over much of what he said.
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And you did WHAT exactly to campaign for a seperate section? Yeah, I thought so, buddy!
Currently I think you will find YOUR attitude is not exactly positive, particularly so seeing as you are raking up ground that has already been covered.
And you perceived no real change, nor a genuine apology?
I made my my apologies, after having defended myself first. In fact, I do believe I could clearly show that I was wrongly accused in some parts. Yet despite this I felt the need to apologise - I was not forced, sweet-talked or otherwise coerced into an apology. If that's nor real or genuine enough for you, well, though luck matey!
How bloody dare you judge me or anybody else? Who exactly do you think you are?
In your case you've just "skimmed" to the end, in your case too, I will be polite and allow you to pick the 1st word, but the second word most certainly is "off".
It is time to start talking about x7510 again here instead of members mood, attitude, friendliness...
Wow! I merely shared my perception and end up being attacked and castigated. No offense intended but surely I'm allowed to share with you how you appear to come across -- why are you so quick to assume I (or others) are "judging" you? I think the tone of your msg. vindicates my "perception" -- you can villify me and attack me but this is the last word I offer. Let's get back to discussing the important stuff.
Hmmmm....here's what you said:
"even in follow-up msg. -- I didn't perceive any real change or even a genuine apology) turned me off and I found myself skimming over much of what he said"
THAT is judgemental. In case you don't believe me, look up the meaning of the word.
Don't back off with statements like "I merely shared my perception and end up being attacked and castigated", "No offense intended but surely I'm allowed to share with you how you appear to come across" and "I think the tone of your msg. vindicates my 'perception'".
If you merely wanted to share your opinion regarding how I came across, why didn't you think to do so in a PM, as opposed to a public critique? Why raise it at all well after the fact, when everybody's moved on? And finally, the tone of my message was exactly correct in response to somebody criticising me out of the blue.
At least have the courage of conviction to stand by your earlier statement, instead of trying to wash it away with dribble.
More importantly, have you signed up to put YOUR x7510 potentially at risk to test Cmonex's new unlocker? See, I don't simply spew hot air - I also walk the walk, which is why I've signed up.
Now unless you have something useful to contibute, do us a favour and don't post for a while?
OK, heres the deal. I have a FUZE and want to flash it. As much useful information as there is on this forum, it is nearly impossible (as stated by many of the members here) to find anything in threads with 30, 50, 90 or even 300 pages. It just is not efficient. There is no good guide that has only constants (e.g., they all say you may need this version of SPL, radio, etc.). I would like some sort of UPDATED, concrete guide. I am willing to donate to whichever one of the developers handles this for me and I also think it would be hugely beneficial to the users of the forum. My hopes is that it becomes a locked thread so it cannot be polluted and it only stays a useful guide. The people on this forum are amazingly knowledgeable, probably the best on the net... There just needs to be organization and I'd really like to get that ball moving. Here is what I'd like
1) The fastest, cleanest, most stable ROM
2) The most efficient radio (I'm fine with my current signal strength, which radio does that equate to)
3) The LEAST maintenance, meaning internet settings for AT&T, proxies, settings, all the task manager junk that has to be done.
I would even take one of the cleaned up AT&T ROMS as long as it isn't as slow as a 500lb man in a 40yd dash.
I understand that creating ROMs is no easy task; However, being proficient in the business and technology world, I can bring a few things to the table. Inaccurate and disorganized information usually causes the collapse of many businesses and I feel that is the biggest downside of this forum. Just think about how hard it would be if your file cabinet of work was turned upside down and there was little to no organization? Someone from the outside trying to look for a file would have no clue where to start (e.g. looking at all of the thread names is quite overwhelming... [ROM] [ENG] [READY!|15 NOV] ROMeOS² v1.40.1 (19974.1.2.8|STABLE)). Noobs (including myself) have NO IDEA what any of that means until we start reading.
Therefore, if anyone is willing to help me get this started, I would gladly donate.
Thanks for listening, guys... I look forward to working with everyone.
Well, the first place to start is the Wiki specific to the Raphael. There you can find all the necessary info about the Raphael.
It seems you want to flash a ROM to your device. Right now there's only a handful available and you will have to try to see what best fits your needs. If you flash one, you don't like it, flash another.
If you read the Wiki you will see that you NEED to HardSPL before flashing a ROM. This is a must and I'm not sure where you're finding that it may be needed or not. Just HardSPL before you flash your ROM. And right now there's only 1 HardSPL, at least that I know of in this forum.
As for ROM naming/etc, go to the specific thread to find out more info. I understand the point about the overwheling messages that are here and many times there are just repeats of things that were answer before. However, everyone should take the time to read the sticky posts in the forum as they have very important information you need to know before you start messing with your device. I've been flashing ROMs for about a year now on my Tilt and recently move to the Fuze. A name as the one you referenced
"[ROM] [ENG] [READY!|15 NOV] ROMeOS² v1.40.1 (19974.1.2.8|STABLE", you should be able to figure most of it. It's a ROM, it's ENGlish, It's READY, release 15 Nov, and it's STABLE. The other info is specific to the person who releases it and you will find the info by reading the first 1-3 posts within the thread. What you wrote is the equivalent of reading something you don't have any idea about and you want to understand it all in the same sentence without doing some type of research. Not sure how that works.
The guys that releases these ROMs take their time to make sure all the necessary info for a specific ROM release is contain within the first 3 posts of a thread. It's the best place to gather all the info you need about a ROM.
Anyway, hope this helps you.
As has been said MANY times:
1) there is no BEST rom
2) there is no BEST radio
Each is measured subjectively based on your needs. Most of the information you need can be found in the threads related to HARDSPL, Radios, & the roms you're flashing.
Thread Closed.