XDaIIi - Battery charging issue - General Topics

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I have an XDa2i, after removing the battery pack earlier this week the unit now wont activate or take a charge from any source. Every time I unlock the battery whilst on charge the red charge light comes on but when the battery lock is applied the charging discontinues. Several battery changes have been tried but the unit will not charge or activate.
Any thoughts or advice on this issue most welcome as always.
Thanks
Pete

If you have got the Cradle then charge your battery itself by the mains adapter not by USB power, once the baterry charging light becomes Green, then put the battery in the XDA, lock the red button and leave it for approx 1-2 hours (or may be overnight), but do not try to switch-on the XDA, The reason behind not to switch-on the device is that the device's internal battery would be completely flattened and that would re-charge automatically once you put a main full battery to the device.
Try to switch-on the device after 2 hours by holding the power button for few seconds, and hopefully XDA should back on.
As far as I have understand the situation and if its right then you might have already lost all the setting & data stored on the device, sorry for that.
GoodLuck & let me know.
Sidd

Absolutely no joy! the device was on charge overnight and the light stayed red. There was no response from the unit at all. Any other thoughts, or does this sound like complete system failure?
Any other advice would be welcome.

Come-oooon Peter I have said to charge the battery ALONE on the charger (not to put it in the device and charge), try to fully charge the battery (Just battery) on the cradle's back slot and then try the same.
GoodLuck & let me know
Sidd

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Calibrate Battery thread - This is how you do it!

There have been about eleventeen thousand questions across multiple threads on how to calibrate the battery properly...figured it probably should be a sticky in here if possible.
You have to know how to get into Recovery mode. You can do this with Quickboot when the phone is on, or the powered off phone method:
1. Power off phone or pull battery and replace.
2. Hold all three of these buttons down: Vol-Down, Camera button (lower left as you look at the phone) and Power on button).
3. You will see a small graphical menu come up. Most of us are using Clockwork, so I will focus on that - it will be a green menu.
For the battery wipe, Go to Advanced, navigate the menu with the vol up/down keys, and select using the camera button.
There are three ways so far:
The Drain Way:
1. Drain it down until fully dead.
2. Charge normally to full.
3. Reboot to Clockwork recovery and wipe battery stats (under advanced, on second page), reboot phone.
4. Turn everything on, flashlight, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, Pandora, the whole nine, to quickly drain it completely dead.
5. Charge normally to full.
The Powered Off Charge way:
1. Charge your phone 100% while it’s on
2. Unplug it from the charger, power off, then charge it up to 100% with it in a powered off state.
3. Unplug charger from phone. Power it on, and then charge it to 100% while the phone is on.
4. Unplug the charger and then reboot into Clockwork, go to advanced and clear the battery stats.
5. Power on, charge to full, and then enjoy.
Third option (thanks squshy 7), I paraphrased it and wrote it out a bit for ease.
Maybe we can call it the Mr. Miagi Charge way....aka Power On, Power Off, Charge On, Charge Off way lol
(the parentheses are the state of the phone)
1. Start with the phone powered on.
2. (Phone on) Charge battery until the LED turns blue
3. (Phone on) Unplug the phone from the charger, wait until the LED turns off
4. Power off the phone.
5. (Phone off) Plug the adapter into the phone, charge it up until the LED turns blue
6. (Phone off) Unplug, wait until the LED turns off
7. Power the phone on.
8. Wait until the phone is booted back up all the way, and then power it off again
9. (Phone off) Plug the adapter into the phone, charge it up until the LED turns blue.
10. Boot the phone into recovery mode
11. Go to Advanced, and then choose Wipe Battery Stats.
12. Power the phone on and use normally.
Still a noob, but what would exactly need you to have to Calibrate Battery? Also what exactly does it do for the user?
P.S I'm sure I could look this up but it would be nice to see it in your thread for others to see
turtlenator694 said:
Still a noob, but what would exactly need you to have to Calibrate Battery? Also what exactly does it do for the user?
P.S I'm sure I could look this up but it would be nice to see it in your thread for others to see
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Well it's really a matter of semantics...you're not calibrating the battery, per say...it's actually calibrating how android is reading the battery. (these phones use Li-ion batteries, which don't use memory, so they themselves never actually need "calibrated" like some older types of rechargeables)
But...as far as what this means to you, its kind of a big deal! It improves battery life in letting android know when your battery is actually at 100%. When flashing new kernels and ROMs, its very likely that the phone will read your battery at full, when in reality its probably less. So it would seem like your phone isn't getting as good battery life (when in actuality it just hasn't been charged fully but you don't know that because android reads it as full because it hasn't been calibrated )
also, without a calibration, you might notice your battery gauge draining oddly...for example, you might see it quickly drop from 100 to 89, then drop steadily to 72, and then hang for a while at 71 (these are all just made up numbers)
so it means alot! but everybody has different methods and i've never seen anything officially released by spring or samsung to confirm methods...
I will say this though...I've read plenty about how since these Li-ion batteries don't have memory, the DRAINING method, while maybe correctly calibrating your battery, actually HURT the long-term life of your battery.
so heres what ive always done:
(the parentheses are the state of the phone)
(phone on) charge battery till LED blue
(phone on) unplug, wait till LED off
[POWER OFF]
(phone off) plug in, wait till LED blue
(phone off) Unplug, wait till LED off
[POWER ON]
When completely booted, power off again
(phone off) plug in wait till LED blue,
boot into recovery, wipe battery stats
unplug, reboot phone and use
it's always worked so try it out
Actually I'm pretty sure it doesn't fully charge to prevent over charge.. and the whole deal with you guys chargings 2-3 times after the light turns blue is just killing the life of your battery.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App
My question why is this in devolpment?
Fyi: both methos work but the complete drain does kill battery life. The pluging in multiable times dont. Android nows wheb to stop charging the battery to prevent over charge.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk
something must be wrong....
With my battery because I've done the above procedure and my battery doesn't even last 5 hours. Its starting to get annoying. Any ideas?
XtaC318 said:
Actually I'm pretty sure it doesn't fully charge to prevent over charge.. and the whole deal with you guys chargings 2-3 times after the light turns blue is just killing the life of your battery.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App
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If it can stop at 92 percent to prevent overcharging, then it can do the same thing when it reaches 100 percent, no matter how many times you plug it in.
I don't know of many, if any li ion battery packs made today that don't have circuitry in them that prevents overcharging.
I put it in development because when you load roms, generally battery is a big concern. I cant tell you how many times ive searched for the same topic all over, I just figured it would be as helpful to others as it would have been to me had it been here and been a stickie at the top.
I've always thought battery calibration was more of a placebo effect, but I have no data either way. On a related note, here's an interesting article about battery stats and charging that was posted a week or so ago:
Android Police: Your Battery Gauge is Lying to You...
Having a battery keep at a full 100% for a long time is not good for li-on batteries. The 10% between 90 and 100% is basically used as a safety buffer. That's why the charge drops between 100 and 90 is much faster than the drops from 80 to 0. even though there ways to increase the actual capacity of the battery by using the methods above, you will still see a quicker drop from full to 90 almost instantly after unplugging the charger. I am in no way saying that those methods don't work in helping the phone read the actual charge of the battery, but they do help increase capacity a little bit. by rearranging the electrons in the battery. There actually is an article on google and on xda that backs it up. I'll try finding it
Sent from my Samsung-SPH-D700 using XDA App
Thank you a ton for posting this. Ive been trying to find a good thread on this all over the place and there never seems to be one. So thanks again.
will the "Drain Battery" way work with a droid1 with the default battery?
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will the "Drain Battery" way work with a droid1 with the default battery?
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Will work on any android device
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mysteryemotionz said:
Will work on any android device
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thanks believed it or not, you really helped me
mysteryemotionz said:
My question why is this in devolpment?
Fyi: both methos work but the complete drain does kill battery life. The pluging in multiable times dont. Android nows wheb to stop charging the battery to prevent over charge.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk
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Lol.. wow alright.
Yes COMPLETELY draining a battery is really bad for a battery; infact if you do so you may end up with a 'bricked' battery.
But the phone also knows not to 'over drain' so with the method of clearing batt stats there's no harm done..actually. allowing your phone to die before charging is healthier than plugging it in before it dies.
I won't argue on the other note anymore; well simply because I don't know enough to continue just know I won't be taking that path
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App
Thanks for the response. But also if you have a separate charger because you have multiple batteries, do you need to have to go through any of this? Or will the charger charge them to their true full state?
It will charge them to 100%. You'll notice it holds 100% for a lot longer.
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The only thing that needs to be done to calibrate the battery is either flash at full charge or charge to full then delete batterystats, all this drain to dead and charge this way and that is pointless, though u will all argue otherwise, pointlessy
Sent from my Epic 4g
Yes thank you very much! I'm gonna give this a shot probably tonight after the Christmas Eve service and see what happens.
You should definitely add that NONE of this matters if your first usages out of the battery aren't proper. When you get the phone, you need to kill the battery before charging.. charge for 10-12 hours w/the phone off or in a dock, kill battery.. repeat 2 more times to condition the battery physically.

[Q] Initial Battery Charge

Hi,
I recently bought an HTC branded spare battery, I've read the initial charge just needs make the charging indicator turn green as the current is switched off by the phone then. Part way through the first charge I accidently turned it on, I shut it down stright away, will this cause a problem with the battery capacity? I've read it should be a constant charge or are battries these days much more robust?
Thanks
Neil
I would not be worried. The charging algorythms are robust.
On a related note, I have read that it is beneficial to sometimes leave the battery on charge for some hours after the LED has gone green, and then not to charge again until the battery is completely exhausted (phone stops).
I believe that this may help the battery charge algorythms to learn the true maximum capacity of your particular battery and help it run as long as possible between charges.
- Steve

[Q] Is my phone dead? :(

1. The phone won't turn on
2. The charging indicator doesn't light up when I try to charge the battery.
3. One of the sensors on the top left turns dim red in color when I connect the charging cable
4. I can't hard reset either
thanks
Did the battery die all the way? Or did you flash a radio without checking the md5? If its a borked radio install say hello to a 500 dollar paper weight if its the battery your gonna have to charge it in another phone cause I'm not sure if cwm 5.0.2.7 has powered off charging
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Yes we need a couple of info first. Also we need every information we can get in the last events before the phone got bricked. Like what did you do? what ROM? What's the status of the phone? Battery?
The more the details the better we could assist you.
Sounds like when my first Mytouch 3g broke, it would turn on the first couple of times going into a bootlope at the HBoot. It also didnt respond to charging or any other battery i tried.
Thanks for the reply strapped. I haven't flashed a radio. I did flash the virtuous infinity rom though. I'm not certain if that affected the radio. I did, however, let my battery die all the way. Do you know why one the sensors on the top left corner turns dim red when I connect the charging cable?
CJ_ said:
Thanks for the reply strapped. I haven't flashed a radio. I did flash the virtuous infinity rom though. I'm not certain if that affected the radio. I did, however, let my battery die all the way. Do you know why one the sensors on the top left corner turns dim red when I connect the charging cable?
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Oh crap the battery die all the way problem
I think your battery is dead.s
Saw dozens of problems like this on the my previous device's forum.
Li Ion batteries have this fuse inside it in which it trips off when the battery gets discharged to a certain voltage. If it does your battery goes into a suicide mode in order to protect the phone.
basically the best thing to take good care of your battery is not let it drain lower than 40% and not fully charge it to 90%.
discharging it too low drains it's lifespan drastically. While charging it too high also drains it's lifespan.
Over-discharging Lithium-ion
Li-ion should never be discharged too low, and there are several safeguards to prevent this from happening. The equipment cuts off when the battery discharges to about 3.0V/cell, stopping the current flow. If the discharge continues to about 2.70V/cell or lower, the battery’s protection circuit puts the battery into a sleep mode. This renders the pack unserviceable and a recharge with most chargers is not possible. To prevent a battery from falling asleep, apply a partial charge before a long storage period.
Battery manufacturers ship batteries with a 40 percent charge. The low charge state reduces aging-related stress while allowing some self-discharge during storage. To minimize the current flow for the protection circuit before the battery is sold, advanced Li-ion packs feature a sleep mode that disables the protection circuit until activated by a brief charge or discharge. Once engaged, the battery remains operational and the on state can no longer be switched back to the standby mode.
Do not recharge lithium-ion if a cell has stayed at or below 1.5V for more than a week. Copper shunts may have formed inside the cells that can lead to a partial or total electrical short. If recharged, the cells might become unstable, causing excessive heat or showing other anomalies. Li-ion packs that have been under stress are more sensitive to mechanical abuse, such as vibration, dropping and exposure to heat.
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maybe you guys should read this.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Cheers guys. Here's every bit of information I can recollect
A few days ago I created a nandroid backup and formatted my sd card via the PC.
I flashed the latest version of CWM recovery
I flashed the virtuous infinity rom 1.33 alpha v3 and then flashed the 1.35 beta 1 update.
Then i copied some music on to the SD card and installed a couple of apps.... nothing out of the ordinary.
The phone worked fine the last couple of days but I don't remember letting the battery die all the way. I should add that I have a dodgy battery; a couple of months ago my dear girlfriend spilled her drink and beer went in to back of my phone... since then the keyboard doesn't work (some keys work but its basically dead) and the battery has been affected as well since it now only lasts 3-4 hours after a full charge....but this issue can't have caused the problem I'm now having because the dead keyboard and dodgy battery have been around for a few months...
Last night, however, I think I let the battery die all the way and at some point, when I tried to turn it on, the phone vibrated as it does when you hold the power button, however, the screen didn't turn on. Since then, nothing has changed. When I connect the phone to the PC, it makes a couple of "connection" noises but I can't access the SD card or contents.
by saying latest CWM is it the 6.0 touch based CWM by chance?
sorry mate, i meant 5..0.2.7.
That's the CWM I'm using so it's safe. I'm also on latest VI for weeks without problem.
So it all points out to your battery.
Phone vibrating to power button means it's responding perfectly. Not sure about the light on the sensor only htc technician can tell.
But what I can say is if your trackpad button lights out red always then you got a brick on your hand.
Nope the trackpad isn't red so I guess that's a good sign. I've ordered a new battery and should have it later this week. Let's see if that fixes the issue. Will report back. Thanks all!
So, a new battery has arrived, however, it hasn't helped as the phone won't charge (no orange light) or turn on...... Since I live in Australia, I don't know anyone else with this phone. Is there any other way for me to revive my brick of a phone?? Thanks
CJ_ said:
So, a new battery has arrived, however, it hasn't helped as the phone won't charge (no orange light) or turn on...... Since I live in Australia, I don't know anyone else with this phone. Is there any other way for me to revive my brick of a phone?? Thanks
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Get a universal charger for your battery.
Sent from Spaceball One.
This is a rough situation. Even with my DS I've had situations where nothing would happen when I tried to restart it, in particular when I let the system run all the way down. It is as if the battery needs to have some charge for it to charge more. I have three batteries though (the stock & two Anker 1900's) so when this happens I just swap out the battery with one that I charged in the external charger, and I haven't had any real issues with them long-term. Since you bought a battery, what battery was it, and do you think it was charged when you got it, and do you have an external charger to verify that the charge is solid when you put it back in the phone? Your phone may be completely dead however, but at this point, I don't think anybody on the thread really can tell. This make sense? I don't want to say, "buy a set of Anker 1900's with an external charger" but it was cheap enough vs. the cost of the phone, and the DS does seem to be a good one overall.
Hi All,
So I got an external charger for the battery and it arrived yesterday. I then proceeded to charge the battery and hours later, no luck. The phone still doesn't turn on. When I hit the power button, one of the sensors on the top left turns red slightly, shortly after which the phone vibrates. However, it doesn't turn on.
Where do I go from here?
Thanks
have you tried to disassemble your phone at all? you said liquid was spilled in it, could take time for corrosion to turn up. maybe a little electronic parts cleaner or rubbing alcohol may help out
Nope I haven't tried to disassemble it yet but is that the only option remaining? If yes, I might have to give it a go because this phone is now as useful to me as a brick, in its current state.

New Moto G, don't boot up..

Hello !
I've bought it today so I used it and decided to empty the battery before using it.
After it powers out, I plug it in on computer, pressed the power button and was a big empty battery with " 0%" so I let it charge and now I can't boot up..
Has anyone had the same problem ?
Thanks
Mistermatt007 said:
Hello !
I've bought it today so I used it and decided to empty the battery before using it.
After it powers out, I plug it in on computer, pressed the power button and was a big empty battery with " 0%" so I let it charge and now I can't boot up..
Has anyone had the same problem ?
Thanks
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plug it in and hold the power button for 2-3minutes. the white led should blink a couple of times. if it does, leave the phone charging for an hour and than unplug it and power it up holding power button.
I've found this solution yesterday, but thanks !
Just a tip
By the way you shouldn't have done empty your battery the first time.
Why ? Because now in our smartphones we have Lithium-Ion battery instead of lead battery so what you did was a good thing ... but for the lead one. When you have a new laptop or smartphone it is already charged up to 40% because if it's below with the natural capacity loss of your battery you could damage the internal circuit and if it is full charged it will be as harmful as if it's not enough charged.
If you empty your battery the first time before using it you can lost 20-25% of its capacity in just one cycle
So when you have a new smartphone or laptop or anything else with a Litium battery :
- Full charge it before using it
- Discharge it until the warning message "Plug your phone ..."
- Full charge it again
And never empty your battery, keep in mind that there is a complex circuit system which always need electricity.
These informations are from a very very good pdf i read few months ago about Lithium-Ion batteries. Unfortunately it's full french but if someone is interested I can send him a PM with the link

Flashaholic Genuine Battery Stats Reset

Hey guys I ran across this and as you may have all seen this before I figured I would share.
This is directly from HTC tech support to recalibrate battery and HTC charger when battery rapidly or erratically discharges, This procedure clears all battery stats, coordinates and normalizes charging.
Turn off Fast Boot in settings. Power off phone. Plug phone into HTC charger and charge for two minutes or more while charging. Hold down volume up+volume down+power button and continue holding phone will turn on and off repeatedly every 15 seconds or so while continuing to hold all three buttons. Keep this going for 2 minutes, then release buttons when phone is on. Now, let phone charge fully normally (with phone either on or off--doesn't matter) and battery level reporting, charging and battery life should be normalized.
Do this every month or so to keep power system healthy--even if everything seems fine. Also, don't leave phone on charger overnight for best long term battery life (according to HTC tech support: "The first thing they tell us." This is true even though charging is supposed to turn off when battery is at 100%)
NOTE: Another potential fix for battery/charging abnormalities if this procedure fails (esp. after an*OTA*update when corrupted files can remain stuck in device cache partition)--clear cache partition using this method:*
GOOD LUCK

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