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Anyone knows n0p's accessibility OR how Tower Toppler can be run?

Has anyone EVER managed to make n0p’s free (!) Tower Toppler ( http://toppler.sourceforge.net/ ) port (available at http://n0p.tonych.info/?Tower_Toppler ) work on his / her WM device?
It wouldn't work on mine - it just displays "null" instead of the name of the map. Tested on several of my devices, with both the older XScale only and the new ARM (02.12.2006) build.
Alternatively, does anyone know n0p's accessibility? I'd need this info on my forthcoming article on all Nebulus clones for Windows Mobile.

Hmm, I wanted to check it out but when I tried downloading from http://n0p.tonych.info/?Tower_Toppler I got a "leach alert" page saying something about no referrals and turning off download accelerators.
Found this odd since I have no download managers installed.
Tried it with Firefox 2.0.0.3 and Explorer 6.0 and nothing...

levenum said:
Hmm, I wanted to check it out but when I tried downloading from http://n0p.tonych.info/?Tower_Toppler I got a "leach alert" page saying something about no referrals and turning off download accelerators.
Found this odd since I have no download managers installed.
Tried it with Firefox 2.0.0.3 and Explorer 6.0 and nothing...
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Directly (left) click the links, do NOT do a right-click + Save link as.

No luck. Tried it directly with both browsers.
Even ran Spybot just in case.
Played with the desktop version for a bit - nice little game.
Interesting thing is I did not see an email address anywhere on the developers site (and I even checked the Russian version - yes I read Russian).
Oh well, it was just curiosity any way. I have about 20 games on my Jamin as it is and in order to get some respect I need to at least pretend to use it for work stuff
Good luck with your article.

levenum said:
No luck. Tried it directly with both browsers.
Even ran Spybot just in case.
Played with the desktop version for a bit - nice little game.
Interesting thing is I did not see an email address anywhere on the developers site (and I even checked the Russian version - yes I read Russian).
Oh well, it was just curiosity any way. I have about 20 games on my Jamin as it is and in order to get some respect I need to at least pretend to use it for work stuff
Good luck with your article.
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Strange it didn't work. I can put it on my database back-end so that the entire world can access it there without problems tomorrow morning; I'll give you the URL as soon as it's up.

In the meantime, I was able to make the game work (see http://forum.xda-developers.com:80/showthread.php?t=304230 if interested). Guys, you MUST give this game a try - it REALLY rocks! n0p has again presented us something REALLY cool, thanks!
ANYWAY, if anyone does know n0p's accessibility, let me know. I, as the Windows Mobile Best Software Awards 2007 Nomination Manager, want to nominate some of his stuff for this year's awards and, for this, I also need to contact him.

See http://www.winmobiletech.com/sekalaiset/TopplerARM.7z for the mirrored file

Thanks a lot for mirroring the file. (You relay shouldn't have bothered)
Keep the excellent articles coming.

levenum said:
Thanks a lot for mirroring the file. (You relay shouldn't have bothered)
Keep the excellent articles coming.
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You're welcome, and thanks

How can I send files to another phone WITHOUT using bluetooth...

I would like some sort of program to send any type of file to somebody else with a WM phone, not near me, without emailing or sending an mms. Basically sometimes I find cab files that I want my friends to have, or videos etc., and they are usually bigger than AT*T's garbage of a limit. Is there any peer to peer software, or any sort of software to send directly to somebody elses phone? I've looked but haven't found answers. Thanks!

So you want to send someone a file, without bluetooth, e-mail or mms. mmmm. Maybe you should invent a time machine and see how they send files in the future. But I am not sure if the future file senders will work on windows mobile 6.

Okay....figured I would get some retarded answers by closed minded noobs.
Anybody have any real ideas? Maybe some sort of P2P software? I could easily make one for Windows (winsock), but IDK about Windows Mobile.

if you could make the program for pc
then with a tiny modification the program would compile on pocketpc
and work
thats the real str of windows mobile

Rudegar said:
if you could make the program for pc
then with a tiny modification the program would compile on pocketpc
and work
thats the real str of windows mobile
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The only thing is for PC it would use Winsock and IP address', I don't know if WM uses winsock, but I doubt it.

as i said in my post
only minor changes if any would be required
for your code to compile and work under
windows mobile be it in
.net, win32 or MFC
so yeah sockets works fine
and if you google you will prob
find more then 1 program which already does
what you need

Rudegar said:
as i said in my post
only minor changes if any would be required
for your code to compile and work under
windows mobile be it in
.net, win32 or MFC
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I realize that, but I don't think winsock is compatible w/ WM!!

I don't know much about this but could you go online and put the file on rapidshare or something from your device? Then whoever want's the file can go to the address and download the file themselves from wherever they want online?
Just a thought. I never tried, and never uploaded anything to rapidshare etc.. from my computer or from a handheld device.
You could also just send them the link via email etc.. to the original site that has the download so they can download themselves.

http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=winsocks+pocket+pc&spell=1
when i say code i include any call to sockets your code may include

hotrod101 said:
I don't know much about this but could you go online and put the file on rapidshare or something from your device? Then whoever want's the file can go to the address and download the file themselves from wherever they want online?
Just a thought. I never tried, and never uploaded anything to rapidshare etc.. from my computer or from a handheld device.
You could also just send them the link via email etc.. to the original site that has the download so they can download themselves.
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That is pretty much what I have been doing, except I use my own personal server. Thanks for the input

there used to be a peer to peer software (and it was free) but the project died and the files were removed...... i can remember the name now i'll do some thinking, you may be able to dig up an old file on it somewhere.....
EDIT: Pocket g2
http://thinkabdul.com/2006/11/25/po...e-sharing-software-for-windows-mobile-50-ppc/
i attached the cab below

Thanks for that, I'll def try it out. Do you know of anything for a 1 on 1 basis? Not shared through a network or server per say, but more so connect 1 on 1 with another WM device through IP or something.

MineralGray02K said:
Thanks for that, I'll def try it out. Do you know of anything for a 1 on 1 basis? Not shared through a network or server per say, but more so connect 1 on 1 with another WM device through IP or something.
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can't say i have, i haven't ever used that p2p software but there may be some kind of privacy settings that allow for that (i've seen something similar on desktop programs)

mineralgray02k said:
i would like some sort of program to send any type of file to somebody else with a wm phone, not near me, without emailing or sending an mms. Basically sometimes i find cab files that i want my friends to have, or videos etc., and they are usually bigger than at*t's garbage of a limit. Is there any peer to peer software, or any sort of software to send directly to somebody elses phone? I've looked but haven't found answers. Thanks!
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have you tried file-sender.com?

Thanks, I will try that now! Looks like that's what I am looking for.

Compatible P2P applications

Hello.
I've been searching the interweb for file sharing clients that are compatible with the X7510 (in my case the O2 XDA Flint). Below are my brief reviews of each that I've tried.
Pocket G2 Pro: This is one of those fantastic little apps that was created and then abandoned, despite pleas from the PPC community, some years ago. This was basically a gnutella client similar to bearshare, frostwire, limewire etc. It worked well for small files (under 17mb I recall) and had a habbit of closing itself after prolonged periods of use. Unfortunately this app won't even start up on my X7510, and the apps domain (pocketG2.com) is now up for sale, so I guess there isn't a new version coming anytime soon.
WM Torrent: This is a torrent client similar to bit-torrent, u-torrent, vuse etc. It loads ok and the connection seems good but it only handles torrents, so it's not ideal for small files such as mp3s. I have unlimited data on my contract and started downloading a 50mb mpg file which had plenty of seeders (people sharing the file) on a GPRS connection. After several hours it had only downloaded 3% so I gave up. I will try this app again in a 3G area (if I can find one!) and see if it performs any better.
Mopiphant: This is another gnutella client that is popular with PPC users. I have tried several versions but none will open after installing them.
There seems to be room in the market for a gnutella client that is stable on this device. And lets face it, if any device could make use of file sharing on the go it's the X7510 with its huge memory, huge screen and meaty sterio speakers.
Does anyone know of a working P2P app for the X7510?
Phil.

Why?
this would destroy any data allowance you had with your providor. Its blatently against any TOS they have.
Use your desktop ?
O2 TOS state :
Data Charges
* For applicable tariffs with data capability: Unless a data or BlackBerry Bolt On is taken, your tariff will include O2 Web Daily under which data will be charged at £2.94 per MB up to a maximum of £0.98 per day (00:00am to 23:59pm). Once you have reached your maximum daily charge of £0.98, O2 Web Daily allows you unlimited use of Telefónica O2 UK Limited's Edge/GPRS/ 3G networks (as applicable to your handset), for personal internet use via your mobile phone. All usage must be for your private, personal and non-commercial purposes. You may not use your SIM Card:
o in, or connected to, any other device including modems;
o to allow the continuous streaming of any audio / video content, enable Voice over Internet (Voip), P2P or file sharing; or
o in such a way that adversely impacts the service to other O2 customers.
If O2 reasonably suspects you are not acting in accordance with this policy O2 reserves the right to impose further charges, impose network protection controls which may reduce your speed of transmission or disconnect your tariff at any time, having attempted to contact you first.
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I quoted the wrong part, on that above link under "Data Bolt On Terms" it says the same.

Thanks for your feedback Embassy.
Lets assume that I'm a fully aware adult and therefore resposible for the mobile data contract I agreed to, and its usage. With this in mind - do you know of any working P2P apps?
BTW, this device is also WiFi equipped, so I could use a hot spot to do my downloading

None that I know of.
How about RDP into your desktop while mobile and download via P2P that way.
Install XAMPP on your desktop and you could host the downloaded file using FTP or HTTP and download from the device.
Could be wrong but pretty sure all those connetions would lag it out really bad, if you have peer gaurdian installed or run a netstat for example see how many connections are active.

I'm pretty certain I didn't understand most of that...
Are you saying I could use remote desktop to download the P2P files on my PC at home, and then use some kind of file-server (XAMPP) to copy the file to my PPC?

Mopiphant is emule network client, your right only bt works on ppc, we need to find some java apps or other code like python....
u got opennap too but i cant add opennap servers http://www.zdziarski.com/projects/zamar/

Thanks wolframio74, I'll take a look at that and see if I can get it working.

New, free(!) cellular-to-Wi-Fi Internet sharing app released

If you know my Multiplatform Bible of using your handset as a modem, you may already know ICSControl, WalkingHotSpot and WMWifiRouter, the (so far) three applications that make a Wi-Fi access point out of your Windows Mobile phone.
Now, a brand new Wi-Fi access point app, HTC CM Wifi Internet Sharing, has been released by XDA-Developers moderator Noonski. It’s available for download HERE (free XDA-Devs registration needed if you aren’t already a member). The (separate) QVGA version, with the built-in HTC Scroll, is at the bottom of the post. You’ll also want to check out the FAQ.
Compatibility
I’ve, after having very thoroughly tested it on my WinMo phones, started a compatibility list of the app. It’s currently available HERE. Note that, should it exceed the 10kchar limit, I’ll break it into two (or more) parts.
As you can see, there are a lot of model + ROM version combinations that it’s incompatible with (as opposed to, say, WMWifiRouter, which I’ve found compatible with almost everything). If it does not work and neither does WMWifiRouter, then, try installing kliptik’s ICS CAB. I recommend WMWifiRouter to test it against; it has a trial version (HERE). It’s much easier to use / configure than ICSControl and WalkingHotSpot doesn’t have a trial.
Also, Omnia users will want to try the CAB HERE on phones that the new app is incompatible with. (The latter can only be installed on genuine Omnias and nothing else, it seems – that is, don’t even bother installing it on non-Omnias.)
Note that it's fully incompatible with MS Smartphones (WM Standard devices), it seems - don't even bother trying. (See my related report HERE.)
If WMWifiRouter does work but this app doesn’t, then, try consulting my compatibility list to see whether there’re success stories of your phone at all. If there are, check out the ROM version they have and even consider flashing your phone to it. Nevertheless, if you don’t want to go through that torture, just consider shelling out $30 for WMWifiRouter or WalkingHotSpot – or learn to use ICSControl.
Note that some sites have even called the app “a WMWifiRouter killer”. Well, it’s still far-far away from that, particularly on phones that it’s plain incompatible with. And, of course, it can only share the connection via Wi-Fi and not other means (BT, USB).

You always with great stuff to share and learn from!!
Thanks Menneisyys
I´ll test it on my Uni with Tomal wm6.5 and report back.
Cheers,

orb3000 said:
You always with great stuff to share and learn from!!
Thanks Menneisyys
I´ll test it on my Uni with Tomal wm6.5 and report back.
Cheers,
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Thanks! I'm more than interested in your results as it didn't work with me.

The nice thing about WMWifiRouter is that it doesn't flag the traffic as tethered, i.e. to the service provider (e.g. att) it looks as if it is simply the device surfing the net. AFAIK the 'normal' / built-in internet connection sharing in WM6.1 flags tethered traffic for the service provider.
Since very few people on this forum probably have the 'tethering enabled' contract, I view that as a key feature.
Does this program do the same?

Menneisyys said:
Thanks! I'm more than interested in your results as it didn't work with me.
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Unfortunately it didn´t work with my Uni

coolVariable said:
The nice thing about WMWifiRouter is that it doesn't flag the traffic as tethered, i.e. to the service provider (e.g. att) it looks as if it is simply the device surfing the net. AFAIK the 'normal' / built-in internet connection sharing in WM6.1 flags tethered traffic for the service provider.
Since very few people on this forum probably have the 'tethering enabled' contract, I view that as a key feature.
Does this program do the same?
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do any applications exist that present themselves in the same manner but can tether over USB as well (to conserve battery life)?

crazy talk said:
do any applications exist that present themselves in the same manner but can tether over USB as well (to conserve battery life)?
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WMWifiRouter
I mainly use it via USB

[Q] WP7: is it productive ?

it is interesting to follow the hype of WP7. i am not a fan of 'early adopter' idea. I am looking for a replacement of my good old HTC touch diamond and still searching some infos regarding WP7 from forums which received several negative feedbacks. I would like to hear from the WP7 power user how i could do the following equivalent tasks in the winmo 6.1 since i use it productively at work and rely heavily on them:
1. Excel Mobile: edit excel file either on the go or on pc to analyse the result graphically and sometimes show it to the client. a sync using mobsync would be done before switching the edit from mobile to pc or vice versa
2. Automatic Call Recorder (ACR): automatically record 2-way call conversation without pressing any button. Useful for recording phone number without taking notes (you could just replay the record many times) or recording directions given by the boss
3. GPS navigation app with offline map and rerouting function: I often lose GSM signal while driving to the clients in remote areas. rerouting is useful if i need to drive to new client which area is unfamiliar and easily to get the wrong turn :-(
4. Sync all outlook + backup SMS data: i am using Activesync for the outlook & PPCPimBackup for the sms. i can get the whole data back from the past to the the latest after the ROM is upgraded e.g. i have 3000+ text messages
5. No data in the cloud - company policy: company data is not allowed to be stored in the cloud whatever the reason. i know it is ridiculous because data could be easily taken if the mobile phone is stolen
6. File explorer: to organise all types of files in the internal storage

nope, wp7 will not fit your needs at all. I would look for a used hd2 if you want newer hardware.

budsant said:
it is interesting to follow the hype of WP7. i am not a fan of 'early adopter' idea. I am looking for a replacement of my good old HTC touch diamond and still searching some infos regarding WP7 from forums which received several negative feedbacks. I would like to hear from the WP7 power user how i could do the following equivalent tasks in the winmo 6.1 since i use it productively at work and rely heavily on them:
1. Excel Mobile: edit excel file either on the go or on pc to analyse the result graphically and sometimes show it to the client. a sync using mobsync would be done before switching the edit from mobile to pc or vice versa
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Has Excel.
2. Automatic Call Recorder (ACR): automatically record 2-way call conversation without pressing any button. Useful for recording phone number without taking notes (you could just replay the record many times) or recording directions given by the boss
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This is potentially illegal.
3. GPS navigation app with offline map and rerouting function: I often lose GSM signal while driving to the clients in remote areas. rerouting is useful if i need to drive to new client which area is unfamiliar and easily to get the wrong turn :-(
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Would have to buy an app for this. Google/Bing Navigation isn't offline. I don't think TeleNav is, either. Personally, I would recommend a dedicated GPS system if this is what you need. Nokia phones come with Offline Map capabilities, and there are some apps (may get released soon) which offer it. But it's not a stock function and don't expect Microsoft to offer such a thing in Bing. These things take up a ton of storage space on you device, as well.
4. Sync all outlook + backup SMS data: i am using Activesync for the outlook & PPCPimBackup for the sms. i can get the whole data back from the past to the the latest after the ROM is upgraded e.g. i have 3000+ text messages
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No ( <- forgot that important 2 letter word unintentionally) Sync via USB to outlook. ActiveSync/DeltaSync keeps everything in Sync, anyways. Dunno why anyone keeps that many texts, but Microsoft will roll out Devices.Live.com for WP7 which will allow you to do almost all of what MyPhone offered for Windows Mobile - that includes backing up text messages.
5. No data in the cloud - company policy: company data is not allowed to be stored in the cloud whatever the reason. i know it is ridiculous because data could be easily taken if the mobile phone is stolen
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Company data does not get stored in the cloud. It's sync'd via the Exchange server the same way Windows Mobile, iOS, Android, and Blackberries Sync it. Windows Phone 7 supports Exchange Remote Wipe.
Your camera roll gets automatically Sync'd to SkyDrive, but why would you take uber sekret company photos on a smartphone, anyways...
6. File explorer: to organise all types of files in the internal storage
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Don't count on it. The OS organizes things for you into Libraries. This really isn't needed that much. I dunno why people keep asking for it when Microsoft made it pretty clear that it isn't coming. WP7 isn't the only smartphone OS that doesn't have a File Manager in it.
@ Thread Title: Productivity is subjective and depends on what the person does on his/her device. You haven't really give anyone a clue as to what you do on you device, so it's hard to tell if it'll be productive to you. All you've done was put a tacky title on yet another "this is what I want for WP7. Is it there, is it coming, why isn't it there, etc." thread.
That may sound a bit harsh. Not intentionally. But that's basically what it is.
Windows Phone 7 is way more productive than Windows Mobile, generally speaking. Anything except maybe Blackberry OS and Symbian^3 is more productive than Windows Mobile.

N8ter said:
Has Excel.
This is potentially illegal.
Would have to buy an app for this. Google/Bing Navigation isn't offline. I don't think TeleNav is, either. Personally, I would recommend a dedicated GPS system if this is what you need. Nokia phones come with Offline Map capabilities, and there are some apps (may get released soon) which offer it. But it's not a stock function and don't expect Microsoft to offer such a thing in Bing. These things take up a ton of storage space on you device, as well.
Sync via USB to outlook. ActiveSync/DeltaSync keeps everything in Sync, anyways. Dunno why anyone keeps that many texts, but Microsoft will roll out Devices.Live.com for WP7 which will allow you to do almost all of what MyPhone offered for Windows Mobile - that includes backing up text messages.
Company data does not get stored in the cloud. It's sync'd via the Exchange server the same way Windows Mobile, iOS, Android, and Blackberries Sync it. Windows Phone 7 supports Exchange Remote Wipe.
Your camera roll gets automatically Sync'd to SkyDrive, but why would you take uber sekret company photos on a smartphone, anyways...
Don't count on it. The OS organizes things for you into Libraries. This really isn't needed that much. I dunno why people keep asking for it when Microsoft made it pretty clear that it isn't coming. WP7 isn't the only smartphone OS that doesn't have a File Manager in it.
@ Thread Title: Productivity is subjective and depends on what the person does on his/her device. You haven't really give anyone a clue as to what you do on you device, so it's hard to tell if it'll be productive to you. All you've done was put a tacky title on yet another "this is what I want for WP7. Is it there, is it coming, why isn't it there, etc." thread.
That may sound a bit harsh. Not intentionally. But that's basically what it is.
Windows Phone 7 is way more productive than Windows Mobile, generally speaking. Anything except maybe Blackberry OS and Symbian^3 is more productive than Windows Mobile.
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you spent way too much time on that response to someone who obviously has no intention of getting a wp7 device.
But a great response none the less...

nrfitchett4 said:
you spent way too much time on that response to someone who obviously has no intention of getting a wp7 device.
But a great response none the less...
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Wrong attitude. He wants to know if he can use new OS and do things he needs to do.

doministry said:
Wrong attitude. He wants to know if he can use new OS and do things he needs to do.
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He could have read any of the 400 reviews on this OS in its infancy and figured that out.

cloudy cloudy
@N8ter: thanks for the explanation. WP7 is connection data intensive, it needs a good data plan
@nrfitchett4: wow, i can feel the heat from your replies. calm down... anyway, i think older gadget such ad hd2 is more suitable for me (though i don't like its battery capacity for the huge display). you are right
@All others: any other opinions ?
my opinion: i get the feeling that without a good network coverage & signal the newer OSes (android/wp7/iphone) will reduce its ability to perform even a simple task. we are getting dependent a lot on the cloud

budsant said:
@N8ter: thanks for the explanation. WP7 is connection data intensive, it needs a good data plan
@nrfitchett4: wow, i can feel the heat from your replies. calm down... anyway, i think older gadget such ad hd2 is more suitable for me (though i don't like its battery capacity for the huge display). you are right
@All others: any other opinions ?
my opinion: i get the feeling that without a good network coverage & signal the newer OSes (android/wp7/iphone) will reduce its ability to perform even a simple task. we are getting dependent a lot on the cloud
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Sorry. Not trying to flame, just a lot of hate threads hear lately. Honestly for what you want to do, an hd2 is probably your best. Mature OS with high end device specs. Extended battery is available if you can stand the hump it will add, or carrying a spare battery is what I did with my tp2.

budsant said:
@N8ter: thanks for the explanation. WP7 is connection data intensive, it needs a good data plan
@nrfitchett4: wow, i can feel the heat from your replies. calm down... anyway, i think older gadget such ad hd2 is more suitable for me (though i don't like its battery capacity for the huge display). you are right
@All others: any other opinions ?
my opinion: i get the feeling that without a good network coverage & signal the newer OSes (android/wp7/iphone) will reduce its ability to perform even a simple task. we are getting dependent a lot on the cloud
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I am poweruser of WM considering it's features as top.
And than I bought WP which I use for 3 weeks.
First, it's not true WP7 will not work without data transfer.
Mine works exactly like it should with data off. I mean it requires transfer for the things which need it anyway like email, browser etc.
I don't buy music from the marketplace...
Yes there are some apps which are connection based like translators ect. and I would love to see it offline too.
Now productivity - it's a question of what you really need.
In fact WP7 with Office and OneNote built in is very productive.
I love the platform for it's power and execution.
However I do miss things from WM. Android is unnacceptable UI wise....
So I am staying with WP7 if Microsoft will add more features to it.
If not - it will be tough call.
Now feeling how WP7 works I don't want to step back and everything else FEELS like a step backwards. And I hope I will not be forced to do it.
But my WM6.5 device is still with me ready to come back.

Well Said
doministry said:
I am poweruser of WM considering it's features as top.
And than I bought WP which I use for 3 weeks.
First, it's not true WP7 will not work without data transfer.
Mine works exactly like it should with data off. I mean it requires transfer for the things which need it anyway like email, browser etc.
I don't buy music from the marketplace...
Yes there are some apps which are connection based like translators ect. and I would love to see it offline too.
Now productivity - it's a question of what you really need.
In fact WP7 with Office and OneNote built in is very productive.
I love the platform for it's power and execution.
However I do miss things from WM. Android is unnacceptable UI wise....
So I am staying with WP7 if Microsoft will add more features to it.
If not - it will be tough call.
Now feeling how WP7 works I don't want to step back and everything else FEELS like a step backwards. And I hope I will not be forced to do it.
But my WM6.5 device is still with me ready to come back.
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Well said. I still have my HTC FUZE, in fact the SIM card I used in my new Samsung Focus was the one I used in the FUZE. I can insert it back into the FUZE anytime I want to. But, even though I used WM for years, and tweaked it, customized it, loaded 4 new Radio ROMs and 5 custom ROMs, I am staying with the WP7 phone. For me, it is smoother, faster, and everything is well integrated. I am looking forward to updates and new features, but for now, it is an awesome experience. I now realize that I had loaded up my WM 6.5.5 phone with a lot of crap I never used and don't miss now. OK, I understand that people want the "right" to load their phone up with "Crap" they'll never use, and some "Crap" they will use, and for those, they'll have to wait on WP7 or remain with WM or some other OS, and that's fine. Personally, I would have loved WM still being upgraded on the latest hardware, I would have stayed with that, I think. But having moved to WP7, I won't go back.

nrfitchett4 said:
you spent way too much time on that response to someone who obviously has no intention of getting a wp7 device.
But a great response none the less...
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it was time very well spent. N8ter's post answered my questions without me having to make a new thread.

thebranded said:
it was time very well spent. N8ter's post answered my questions without me having to make a new thread.
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+1
its good to see wm users experiences and questions about a possible up/down grade to wp.
very useful stuff.

Touching on N8ter's point on libraries and file managers... If you think about it, those libraries ARE file managers, and are actually more effective than a file manager would be. The only thing, which will be fixed with W8 and Mango working together, is better SkyDrive integration so you have a much easier way of syncing your files. I mean, I honestly have never used my phone as a flash drive, and the only reason I ever used a file manager in the past was for .cab files... Which we don't need any more.
But, I can't wait for SkyDrive to work as it needs to coming up, I think THAT is my most important feature coming considering I'm a student and would make my life significantly easier. I do see an ability to hook up the phone to a PC in the future and Word automatically recognize your Word files on a WinPhone device though... Not as a mass storage, as an additional "library" for files... If you understand what I mean here.

Libraries aren't a file manager. It isn't a replacement, either. There's no control over a library. It's an automatic classification of media on the device based on the media type. You can't take a private file and put it somewhere on the device where it will not show up in a Library, and that's an issue for some people. If you have any private documents/images/videos on your phone, it's hard to let anyone who thinks the phone looks interesting play with it because all of those files are right there in plain sight in the Hubs, so you have to tell them to go to a Carrier store if they wanna play with one. That's not an issue on i.e. an Android phone because you can hide the file in a nested folder and set it so that the folder's files are not displayed in the Gallery.
Also, the lack of a file manager is keeping things like BT File transfer and File Transfer in IM applications out at the moment, and it make sit ridiculously hard to put files on the device and keep them organized.
One of the best features of Android Office applications is their integrated file manager and Cloud Integration.
SkyDrive will be nice, but without a decent file manager Office will still be worthless to me because there's no way I'm putting all my files on SkyDrive. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have 5 computers here and do not need Microsoft to hold my files. I like my stuff to be organized, and I don't want everything on the internet... Skydrive also doesn't have the best file type support for Synching...
Do you back up your camera roll to SkyDrive automatically?

N8ter said:
Libraries aren't a file manager. It isn't a replacement, either. There's no control over a library. It's an automatic classification of media on the device based on the media type. You can't take a private file and put it somewhere on the device where it will not show up in a Library, and that's an issue for some people. If you have any private documents/images/videos on your phone, it's hard to let anyone who thinks the phone looks interesting play with it because all of those files are right there in plain sight in the Hubs, so you have to tell them to go to a Carrier store if they wanna play with one. That's not an issue on i.e. an Android phone because you can hide the file in a nested folder and set it so that the folder's files are not displayed in the Gallery.
Also, the lack of a file manager is keeping things like BT File transfer and File Transfer in IM applications out at the moment, and it make sit ridiculously hard to put files on the device and keep them organized.
One of the best features of Android Office applications is their integrated file manager and Cloud Integration.
SkyDrive will be nice, but without a decent file manager Office will still be worthless to me because there's no way I'm putting all my files on SkyDrive. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have 5 computers here and do not need Microsoft to hold my files. I like my stuff to be organized, and I don't want everything on the internet... Skydrive also doesn't have the best file type support for Synching...
Do you back up your camera roll to SkyDrive automatically?
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Bluetooth transfer isn't implemented because Microsoft hasn't yet, not because of any other reason. You could go to any file, or picture, and select Share, and the option could be there, regardless of library. I mean, by that theory, there shouldn't be any method of sharing then. You do it in text messaging at the moment, and in Who's Near Me, it's just the apps haven't implemented them.
If things on your phone are that important, there is a password option. I personally don't let anybody touch my phone. I think my texts are far more 'secret' than any document I can put on my phone, to be honest, but that's just me. I would though like folders in Office to sort out my documents, this may come with the new integration though. I would also like to option to protect the documents as I do on my computer.
As far as putting files on the device, I'm for the whole "only supported files" allowed deal. But, look back at my post, I would like to see something along the lines of: Plug my phone into the computer, open word, and it's there as an extension. Same with other Microsoft applications. Pictures and Music are already done through Zune.
I think I'm also on a different end of the spectrum than you are. Personally I keep all my files on my home network. I also access it remotely. So, full SkyDrive integration would be amazing in my eyes. I'm already at risk connecting to the internet, pretty sure Microsoft can do a better job than me at protecting my files. I already use SkyDrive on my phone through the mobile site too, it's just a hassle in dropping them into the folder I created on my computer, and then downloading them on my phone. This being done automatically would be amazing.
But as far as using it as a storage device for files the phone has no need for, I don't like that idea personally. You have to remember the types of users that are being marketed here. I think something along what I suggested would be best. Security just needs to be upped a little. Let me password protect certain files and I'm fine.
And no, I don't automatically put them on SkyDrive... I think mainly out of habit. But 99% of my pictures go on Facebook the second I snap them. And I use Photobucket quite often... If my Live friends were large in number I'm pretty sure my SkyDrive would be full of public photos.

From all my research on WP7 and HTC HD7, yes it seems very strenuous to do the things we used could do on other 'smartphones' ... Ever since apple came out with the 'app' world... things are being followed(android, Ms).. But what i think is, that with Win 8 on the Horizon, the app world is here to stay, and it shouldn't be a surprise when it will come to, what you can run on your PC, u can also run it on ur mobile... I don't know if such interface has happened with Apple and the Macs and the pods n phones to do that... Google is doing more with chrome to do that with their android... so, will they still have to sit upon other os's to accomplish this or as I think I've heard they are making their own Os... Future stats shows, Apple is on a downhill trend and Android to follow... In reading in MSN today, Android phones are being introduced with viruses, such as the one that will sit on your phone and send all your data to some phone numbers in china... So Android glory days maybe not so great... As the veterans have stood longer then the newbies...
just a thought