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Upgrading ... is it really Necessary.

Guyz, i've been using my imate JAM for about 3 weeks now. havent had any problems with it. Running preety smooth it is. but i occasionally had to soft reset it because it got hung up on something (maybe it was processing something or ..) Anyways, i've read loads about this Upgrading of ROMS. tell me if it is really necessary. And if it really helps to upgrade, WHICH ROM VERSION is the best and STABLE. Please Help me.

Well it's not necessary to update the rom, don't know your version but it can't be very old, isn't it?
Check your memory to see whether it is running low on ram, start -> settings -> system -> memory -> main (1st tab). The right side shows the ram occupied by files on your device, the left side shows the ram occupied by running programs. A magician only got 64MB of ram shared by running programs & installed programs. & installing apps. to the default location decreases that amout rapidly. Also take a look on the 3rd tab (running programs), pushing the x button doesn't close programs it minimizes them. You can free up ram by closing them manually or by installing app like vjokbut (very small), spb pocket plus, battry bar & others.
If your system is constantly running low on memory & you got a lot of apps. installed in the default location, consider doing a hard-reset & start all over again installing apps to either SD or internal Storage folder. To choose where cab-files should install you can use cabinstl very handy small tool. & don't forget to delete the Internet Explorer once in a while by hand in \windows\temporary internet files or have eg memmaid do it & You can even store the cache on SD if you like with this pogram.
If this all doesn't help you can try BIG Storage. With this you enlarge the internal Storage folder from 7 to 27MB. Howto's on the board & in the wiki.
Regards, M

Is it not the other way around, the right side (Program) shows the running programs and the left side (Storage) is for installed programs? I usually check my memory after starting a newly installed program just to see how much ram it consumes and it's the right side that decreases in value.

Yes you're correct I messed up. The right side (Program) shows the RAM consumed by running programs and the left side (Storage) is for installed programs & other features in the \Windows folder.
Excuse me pls,
M

no problem man. nobody is perfect.

oltp said:
Well it's not necessary to update the rom, don't know your version but it can't be very old, isn't it?
Check your memory to see whether it is running low on ram, start -> settings -> system -> memory -> main (1st tab). The right side shows the ram occupied by files on your device, the left side shows the ram occupied by running programs. A magician only got 64MB of ram shared by running programs & installed programs. & installing apps. to the default location decreases that amout rapidly. Also take a look on the 3rd tab (running programs), pushing the x button doesn't close programs it minimizes them. You can free up ram by closing them manually or by installing app like vjokbut (very small), spb pocket plus, battry bar & others.
If your system is constantly running low on memory & you got a lot of apps. installed in the default location, consider doing a hard-reset & start all over again installing apps to either SD or internal Storage folder. To choose where cab-files should install you can use cabinstl very handy small tool. & don't forget to delete the Internet Explorer once in a while by hand in \windows\temporary internet files or have eg memmaid do it & You can even store the cache on SD if you like with this pogram.
If this all doesn't help you can try BIG Storage. With this you enlarge the internal Storage folder from 7 to 27MB. Howto's on the board & in the wiki.
Regards, M
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Ok,
First: ov all my phone specs are:
imate JAM
ROM ver - 1.12 WWE
RADIO ver - 1.12.10
PROTOCOL ver - 1337.42
EXT Rom ver - 1.12.167 WWE
Secondly: DO i need an UPGRADE ??
And: hmmm, BIG STORAGE.. well it increases my Interernal Storage to 27 MB .. and it helps to do ....... what ???

Your rom is OK & upgrade really NOT necessary. BS is nice to install apps on, no need. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

Difference between install under device and flash disk in Tomal rom

Hi guys, i have recently flashed my uni with the awesome TML v8.81 Rom, I noticed there is a Flash Disk under My device. What's the purpose of that? Could anyone tell me what's the difference between installing software under my device and flash disk?
Many thanks

id like to know this too, as it seems the flash disk removes 15MB or so of much needed RAM, what is the purpose of it, so far I have installed everything on normal storage, should I be installing things like Opera on the flash disk because it runs faster?

types of memory
Ok, quick resume of memory:
There are four types of internal memory on the Universal (the quoted MB are from a 64MB G3 uni):
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[B]Storage Memory[/B]
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Usually 43.72MB with 40MB free (depends on installation of full/vanilla ROM)
What: Your main storage for all installations on your device (including windows)
Use: This where the device ROM (eg WM6.x) and other device programs are stored (everything under \).
eh? : This can be considered much like your C: drive on a PC.
+info: Get a ROM that has just about everything you want.
Getting vanilla ROM and installing apps in Storage is likely to use more Storage than if you get ROM that has all apps you require.
I never install anything here unless I have no option, or it's a Today item.
Some programs will use this as cache or temp storage area.
[B]Program Memory[/B]
Type: Program (RAM)
Size: Usually 48-49MB with 30MB or less free (this figure lowers with the more Apps that are run, an initial 12MB is eaten by Windows)
What: This is your available memory for running programs. Program Memory is also for used by Boot and PagePool (usually 6MB).
Use: The more of this you have, the more programs you can run, and the faster memory hungry apps can run.
eh? : This can be considered much like your RAM on a PC
+info: The Today Screen items will also eat up this memory, so stay away from "bling" Today items if you want other memory hungry apps to run (like route navigators)
NB. This memory is NOT eaten up or reduced by any other medium (ie, FlashDisk). 30MB free is great, but 20MB is usual running for a 64MB Uni.
[B]FlashDisk[/B] (only available on G3 according to wiki [I]- someone clarify?[/I])
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Can be 10MB to 30MB - and is made available solely by what's left by the ROM and given to you by the cook
What: Extra storage which is retained through a soft-reset.
Use: Store programs you always want available (ie, not on SD), but don't want in your Storage Memory
eh?: This can be considered much like your second hard-drive on a PC.
+info: If important, choose cook and ROM wisely, otherwise install such stuff on approprate SD/Storage.
The FlashDisk is where I store my messages and attachments (and programs like music/video players if cook doesn't supply them).
NB. This doesn't take up any Program Memory. It's either made available by the cook, or if the cook doesn't make it available it's wasted space that you can't use.
[B]ExtendedROM[/B]
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Is usually 9.96MB
What: Extra memory which doesn't survive a soft-reset.
Use: Anything you don't mind losing :)
eh?: This could be considered as a RAMDrive on a PC (that is, in that it's volatile, but not that it takes up any Program Memory)
+info: I use this for all cache (eg PIExplorer, Opera etc)
NB. Again, this is either made available or wasted space you can't use (see FlashDisk NB).
[B]Storage Card[/B]
Type: External Storage
Size: Can be anything (I have seen up to 16GB)
What: Extra storage for programs, cache etc. Always slower than any of the above. (NB. If anyone really interested, I can get you some values here)
Use: Anything that doesn't fit into the Uni ;)
Install apps here that aren't required by the system (ie, non-Today items)
eh?: This could be considered as any removeable storage on a PC (even an SD card!!!)
+info: Don't put anything here that the system expects to exist (eg, Today items). I use it for maps, music, videos and all apps not supplied by ROM cook.
I only have use one huge SD card, so I install all my apps on it. You may want to reconsider your installations if you use more than one SD card.
However, Cotulla created a ROM for G3 that combined Storage (not program memory)
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Nice answer that!
Now here is where it gets confusing I own a G4 with Tomals Rom on it and it has flash disk on it, I always thought it wasn't meant to. It does work too. I keep other small apps on it, it seems to load as fast as main memory. SD cads have a small time lag on a soft reset, so anything that needs to load on start up needs to be on board not SD. I'm not a cook so i'm sure there is a good answer but I often wondered why memory can't be repartitioned over to ram instead of flash disk or storage?
Jay

Yes, I think that wiki is wrong. I'm sure it's the ExtendedROM that's only on G3, whereas FD is down to the cook.
Hardware constraint on Uni means you can't partition Storage (or FD etc) over to Program Memory (RAM).

JonMorgan said:
Yes, I think that wiki is wrong. I'm sure it's the ExtendedROM that's only on G3, whereas FD is down to the cook.
Hardware constraint on Uni means you can't partition Storage (or FD etc) over to Program Memory (RAM).
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No I get extended rom now too. things have moved on since the WiKi was made I guess.
Jay

Integration vs Installation

I've searched in the forum but i cannot find anything about that.
Which are the main differences in having a program integrated in a ROM or to install it in the main memory after the ROM has been flashed in the device??
I mean, are there any benefits in integrating a software in ROM in terms of speed, memory footprint...or any others?
Thanks

integrated don't take up storage space
integrated can't be upgraded to a newer version without getting a new rom
application memory foodprint is the same

So with latest device that have a good amount of internal storage the integration doesn't have real benefits...
The possibility to upgrade a program to a newer version for me is more important than some more MB of free space in the internal storage...
Thanks for the explanation

it saves time installing random apps after flashing if they are already there for you.. certain usefull ones like total commander and such.. Ditto on the not being able to upgrade, some program are able to, but most arent, you just get errors. Someone here on XDA made an app that allows you to store cabs in a specific folder on a storage card and on first boot those cabs will be installed, thus making the issue of having your favorite preinstalled apps less of a hassle after a reflashing, or moving to a new device.

Touch Diamond - Free Up Some Space?

Hi,
I flashed my HTC Touch Diamond yesterday with this ROM. Suffice to say Im pretty pleased with it, however my Diamond doesnt have a lot of storage space left (on the device, i.e. not the 4GB internal storage or RAM) and as a result I keep getting nasty messages telling me to free up some space etc...
I appreciate that its a beefy ROM with Sense 2.5 but I dont understand what is happening. When i flashed the phone I had about 8MB free. I put a 6MB ringtone into the ringtones folder before noticing how little space that left me with (2MB) and then deleted it. Now a couple of days later I notice that I have less than 1MB of space, yet I havent installed any apps to the device storage so what has been filling the space up? This morning I attempted to install Facebook and Google Maps to the storage card via Marketplace as these were already on the device storage but it doesnt seem to have freed up any space.
Does anyone know how I can free up some space please? None of the apps cooked into the ROM appear in the "Remove Programs" app.
Cheers.

Hi,
Things like e-mail import, text messages, temporary files just take a lot of space of the memory.
AthenaROM is not very good, I suggest you flash for example Gen Y D2X.
Hard-resetting is the only way to clean it up, most of the files are system files that will return after deletion.

Hi thanks for your reply.
I'll check out that other ROM; for the moment I've simply copied some non-Marketplace apps to the storage card and placed shortcuts into the /Windows/Start Menu folder on the device memory. Only thing is the icons dont show, anyone have any ideas please?
Thanks.

[Q] Rooting, Custom ROMs and Available Internal Storage

Hi there!
If I root my Nexus S, will it then be possible to see what's going on in the internal storage? My phone is acting rather strangely when it comes to the internal storage. When I delete an app's cache (from Settings/Apps) the indicated space does not get freed up. On the contrary, an equivalent amount of space gets subtracted from the indicated amount of free internal storage! On most occasions when I uninstall an app the space gets freed up. However, recently I had 300 MB available when I installed Chrome browser. That took up about 50 MB, so I had a remaining 250 MB available. I uninstalled it again and now I only have 200 MB free. I often get notifications that there is too little storage space available when updating rather small apps (typically less than 20 MB).
With a rooted phone, will I be able to see what's going on and easily locate and delete redundant files? (Back in the days I felt I had a lot better control and overview over my Pocket PC. With my Android I struggle to make sense of what's going on. Well, not that I´m going back...)
I'm not really asking for a quick solution to the problem because it seems from other discussions that this isn't possible. But I'd like to avoid running into the same problem again after a hard reset, rooting, or ROM change.
Cheers,
Larry
Nexus S I9023 (unrooted)
Jelly Bean 4.1.2

hey Larry,
first of all after you're rooted you can see all of your files and folders from...well..root directory
before doing so i'd try to move apps to SD or from SD depends where the low space is: http://i.stack.imgur.com/Aof9r.png

Hi eytan!
As I said, I'm short of internal storage. I've already moved just about everything possible out of the internal memory. Moving programs out of internal storage does result in more internal storage (as long as there's something left to move). However, this does not explain why my internal memory is disappearing. I ought to have a lot more available internal memory - at least 400 MB.
Yes, that's what rooting does. Maybe I should have elaborated a bit... Will it make sense without extensive knowledge of the Android system. It seems like instead of cache (and certain programs like chrome browser) being deleted they are somehow being copied within the internal storage. I was wondering if I would be able to locate this - find some folder that has grown 50 MB in case of the google chrome uninstallation. Or will all this data be stacked up in some sort of system file that isn't accessible.
- larryvega
Nexus S I9023 (unrooted)
Jelly Bean 4.1.2

well, you can always search your phone by folder size and locate the origin of this.
i guess your best chances are at DATA folder, just be careful and make sure you delete only things your'e sure that are already uninstalled and just have "leftovers"