Ok, ok, I know this topic has been debated to death and anyone who posts topics relating to WM5 on a Magician usually get flamed big time but I am willing to stick my neck out just in case it might hold some promise, so here it goes...
Is it possible to flash WM5 on a Magician with Big storage and using DocTools to appropriate extra storage space for the OS? I realize that it would leave very little for program memory but in theory it should work.
What do you think?
xb, the problem isn't the lack of space. It's that the WM5 drivers for the Magician do not exist anywhere. The hacked roms that were made available on this board for other devices happened to be leaked betas or similar, where the original companies HAD gone to the effort of making the drivers. They could very easily make the drivers for the Magician. But we can't.
As such, it's like trying to put Windows Vista on a Windows 3.11 box without new drivers. Most of the 3.11 hardware might work without new drivers, but then again, most of it might not.
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what if you use the Charmer ROM?
As far as I know, internally Charmer is very different compared to Magician. They use different processor, and different ROM structure.
Try this threat
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=24965&start=125&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
I see. Oh well. C'est la vie...
Why didn't you ask that in an EXISTING thread?
I just can't believe these people. :x For sure we all dream of having WM5 on a Magician, but it has already been discussed a million times that it's not possible.
Forget winmo5, I'd like to see Symbian on my Magician.
This is about as likely, however.
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Forget winmo5, I'd like to see Symbian on my Magician.
This is about as likely, however.
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SYMBIAN?? Buy a nokia phone then...
Why bother with S60? Windows mobile is way more powerful...
Symbian doesn't hang as often as WinDOS mobile, true. It also has less footprint, true.
However, different Symbians are NOT interoperable, and different versions of the same Symbian are NOT backward compatible. You can NOT use a Nokia N71 app on an N80 the way you could use an app from an O2 xda in an O2 mini. This is WAAAAY more closed a platform than WinDOS mobile 5.
(I know this because I was roped in to find my Nokia 80 friend some apps. A Nokia N phone was a previous choice I had once before I got my Mini through a better deal.)
Attempted backward compatibility is the reason for half of the crashes out there, btw. The score is skewed in Symbian's favor only because it eschews backwards compatibility completely.
Symb's about as valuable an OS as what you use in any ordinary mobile phone. In which case you might as well buy an ordinary mobile phone.
I've never seen my PocketPC/Windows Mobile phones hang spontaneously as a result of the OS.
Remember guys, that WinCE/WinMob is very distinct from the implementation of drivers and mods made by the OEM. I'm using a Mio A701 right now, and the (alpha/beta?) ROM I'm using is very unstable, and it makes you realise just how stable the Magician is.
I use an enormous amount of DIY mods and non-commercial code, and it makes me realise that crashing the phone is usually the result of badly coded software, not a badly implemented core OS.
So, blame your operator, or HTC, or whoever made the software you're running, before you can say categorically that the OS is as at fault.
I used the p900 for a year, and still love it - my modfied version was still more satisfying then any PocketPC I've used
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However, that's as a simple phone. What I can do with a PocketPC, its potential (as a result of a very potent and under-used OS) is enormous. So, make it your own, program your own stuff, and be happy. Symbian might have the same potential but each to his own.
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bah for me i want to try Linux on my magician but ONLY if i can come back to Windows Mobile 2003 SE just for see if Linux is okay for the "phone part" i have buy the magician for the phone too lol not only for the PDA use.
I have search long and i have see it's not possible to upgrade the magician for windows mobile 2005 i have tried the upgrade but i have see it's not for the magician the first time i have say: "mmmm why stopping upgradding? it's say ... haaaa it's for hymal ok not for me " (lol) so now i search some tricks, update, mods, unlock with the registry but it's hard to find
Hey Mr. Vi Jay ... I'm really curious about what you did modifying your SE P900 ... Appreciating what you did for UNI community I belong to for some time now - I'm really curious if you did any "beyond the additional software" mods to SEP900 system.
Do you have any info, links... maybe I would manage some more time to mod my good old P900 as well???
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Hello,
I just got a Kaiser (German T-mobile's Vario III) a few days ago.
I first encountered the "White screen" problem while trying to flash the HardSPL.
So I tried the JumpSPL (Which worked), then did the HardSPL Flash via the RUU update.
Afterwards I flashed the DCS 1.7 ROM... And I noticed my phone is SLOW. I mean very slow. It takes about 120 seconds to boot, the TouchFLO Cube runs VERY slow (And very unresponsive as well, its REALLY hard to get it to pop up and turn).
The camera (For taking pictures) is also really slow, but weird enough, not always, sometimes it will go down to 0.5 FPS, sometimes it will run fine.
I am sure my old wizard performed much better than this Kaiser. Did I do something wrong? Is there a way I can benchmark the performance and compare it to other user's phones?
Thanks!
UPDATE:
OK, so far I've found out two things that made my TyTN II so much faster:
1- My SD card was not properly formatted. (This worked with both my 2GB and 4GB MicroSD Cards! Both from Kingston.) My file system was incredibly slow. To fix this (And I mean really fix, this made my phone's file system SO much faster (According to SPB Benchmark)) Go here: http://www.sdcard.org/about/downloads/
Download and install the formatter, do a quick format with the option "FORMAT SIZE ADJUSTMENT" on. (Dont be a jackass and remember to back up your data first... formatting will wipe all your data on your card).
2- .NET Framework was installed but apparently, not set to be running.
I went to do a registry edit under: \HKLM\Software\Microsoft\.NetCompactFramework\
The entry (Name) "3.5.7283.00" (Which I believe is my .NET version's number) was set to (Data)0, I changed it to 1.
Still, I am under the strong impression that my TYTN's CPU is VERY sluggish, anybody has more tweaks like this?
A clue?... anybody?
Did you ever HARD RESET at the alignment screen after the flash and before the initial setup?
This is really hard to find, as it's scattered in a bunch of threads, so I won't tell you to 'READ' like I have in other recent threads...
However, it has been posted that WM6.1 for some users is SLOW compared to 6.0. For some users it's unbearable, and for others it's just fine.
One of the reasons might be that WM6.1 has debugging features enabled as it's not a shipping ROM but a leaked beta.
BTW, others have also stated that 6.1 is sluggish only for the first couple of hours (possibly after the debugging code has finished initializing, etc) and works as fast or faster than 6.0 (although the benchmarks say otherwise).
So you may just want to hang on for a couple more hours before reflashing...
Hope this helps!
@P1Tater:
Yes - I did hard-reset, I actually flashed the rom (DCS 1.7) 3x (Following the recommended flashing/hard reset procedures) to make sure I was following the steps.
@Alex:
Thanks alot for being leinent and not just saying "Use the search!" , the search in this forum can be a true PiTA.
What you wrote about the WM6.1 does make sense, yet... since we all have the same hardware, and we all follow the same procedures... shouldn´t we all have very similar (If not the exact same) results?
Right now Im trying to get this SPB Benchmark running (http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/) The "Home user" version of their benchmark seems to be free, will you guys care posting your results so I can compare?
I'll post mine ASAP.
Here, I got a direct dload link: http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/downloads/benchmark/SpbBenchmark1.6_setup.zip
Thanks again!
Kraion said:
@P1Tater:
Yes - I did hard-reset, I actually flashed the rom (DCS 1.7) 3x (Following the recommended flashing/hard reset procedures) to make sure I was following the steps.
@Alex:
Thanks alot for being leinent and not just saying "Use the search!" , the search in this forum can be a true PiTA.
What you wrote about the WM6.1 does make sense, yet... since we all have the same hardware, and we all follow the same procedures... shouldn´t we all have very similar (If not the exact same) results?
Right now Im trying to get this SPB Benchmark running (http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/) The "Home user" version of their benchmark seems to be free, will you guys care posting your results so I can compare?
I'll post mine ASAP.
Here, I got a direct dload link: http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/downloads/benchmark/SpbBenchmark1.6_setup.zip
Thanks again!
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We have benchmarks posted in a ton of threads too. Early ones show 6.1 as being slower than 6.0 by about 5% to 10%. I haven't kept up on this as of late though...
FYI, I know dutty put out some benchmarks for a 6.1 ROM that he couldn't release that was leaked and Microsoft actually told XDA-Developers to *REMOVE* it. I think this one was an non-debug version, because Microsoft hasn't asked us to remove any of the other 6.1 ROMs released by tuspidin, which we are all using variants of now...
Alright, im going to look around then.
Will still post mine here, just for the hell of it...
About Microsloth:
How come they are so picky about this? We all have "Licences" for WM, don't we? - If im not mistaken, both HTC and most mobile carrier providers will offer free upgrades of WM to their customers, so why bug xda about offering alternate versions of licenced products?
Kraion said:
Alright, im going to look around then.
Will still post mine here, just for the hell of it...
About Microsloth:
How come they are so picky about this? We all have "Licences" for WM, don't we? - If im not mistaken, both HTC and most mobile carrier providers will offer free upgrades of WM to their customers, so why bug xda about offering alternate versions of licenced products?
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I think Microsoft decided to say that if a LEAKED WM6.1 comes out, it's going to have our debug phone home code in it, so they can gather useful customer feedback.
I had a thread about that too. I didn't go into depth about conspiracy theories though, since it was focused more towards other chefs, and i try to avoid sounding like a kook instead of a cook
Oh, as for why things perform at different speeds for different people, that depends on how each individual perceives the linear progression of the fourth dimension within our three dimensional world. (edit2: Excuse me as I remove my quantum mechanic bong from my arse...)
This is the reason why I believe in benchmarks over any individual's perceptions...
Alright, I ran that benchmark thingie, and judging by the results, I think there's definitely something wrong with my device/config:
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My file system seems fubar... I have a 4GB Kingston MicroSD card in it (That I formatted on my Laptop before copying the data I had backed up on it).
Help! Any ideas?
(Bump!) - Need feedback please!
Anybody?...
Fix Posted!
Or at least I think the drivers are in there. Props to hdubli for dumping it.
http://rapidshare.com/files/103706855/Part02.rar.htm
So, XDA Masters, can you guys please play with this and see what you get in terms of Qualcomm MSM7200 drivers? Apparently, the Sedna has the same chips as the Kaiser but it actually has the drivers that the Kaiser lacks.
EDIT: I suggest no one here brags to the online press yet so that Qualcomm doesn't get mad too soon
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5100 vs 400. Speaks for itself.
Please, don't post if you aren't going to be helpful. There are 30 pages already & suffice to say that the vast majority are worthless crap.
Let's save some pages for development. The more crap that get's posted the less continuity there is in the information.
or better yet, if someone was able to locate the files in this rom and create a working cab! that would be great!
Hope at last?????
If you would like to see all of the spb benchmark tests for the HTC SEDNA 6500; visit this site- make up your own mind on what this means. To me it is pretty conclusive.
These are the benchmark tests for the Sedna-
http://www.google.com/translate?u=h...notice-87P4.html&langpair=es|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
Even the reviewers on the site commented on the unique graphical benchmarks as compared to other msm7200 chipsets
UPDATE: If there are any more p6500 users at this forum, we need you to dump your rom so we can analyze it for drivers; Also it would be helpful if you could run spb benchmark tests on your device to confirm the results of todosmartphone.com.
SWEET find bro! hopefully a lot of good will come out of this.
Taken from the site
Also noticed this from the site.
Emphasizes the graphics performance of the PDA which seems to include, for firn, ATI drivers that we take in the absence TyTn II and Cruise. Or it or have improved quite graphics performance of the PDA. In the rest of comparative speed does not stand out especially being in most cases almost tied with her cousin the HTC Pitt.
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that was translated by google from spanish---- so if you want the actual words and not the butchered translation just go to the site and check it out....
Does look super promising though!
so ...this means what
Alright guys, shhh. Nothin more us n00bs can really do so lets sit and wait patiently till a pro takes a look at this...
could this be what we have been wating for? calling the best of xda! we need like a bat signal or something ill be checking back ever half hour till this thing is confirmed one way or the other.
nice find props to those who pulled it
Let the hacking begin xD!
xmoo said:
Let the hacking begin xD!
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We need to keep a quiet and steady approach to all this. When it's accomplished, I soon hope to see enhanced performance on my Sprint Mogul and across all devices with MSM7200 and MSM7500 chipsets.
Thanks!
Hope it works!!!!
Thank you !
default_d3m.dll and htc_d3dm.dll are identical to Kaiser's AT&T 1.62 ROM (WM 6.0 OS 5.2.1622). DDI.dll is different, with the P6500 version being ~2K larger.
I've discovered it's not as simple as just replacing DDI.dll on a Kaiser. I just tried and it hung at the splash screen, so I had to hard reset.(If you want to try too, install the attached cab at your own risk. I'm just happy I didn't try to cook this in ) This isn't unusual, as I seem to recall reading about Chainfire having similar experiences with the LG KS20 DDI.dll.
It looks like we'll need someone like cmonex, Olipro, Pof, jwocky2001, Nushrike, Chainfire or anyone else blessed with ASM skills or device driver hacking to make this work. If any of you need more files to work with and don't feel like dumping imgfs, shoot me a PM and I'll send you any files you require.
Good luck!
i downloaded file just in case qualcomm wants us to pull this from xda.
i have it stored to my pc if we need this file again uploaded.
Thanks alex,
this shall help speed up the proccess of fixing the drivers, if possible of course.
DDI.dll is version 0.92, isn't it pretty old ?
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DDI.dll is version 0.92, isn't it pretty old ?
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It's stamped with whatever build version it was (e.g., AT&T 1.62 has version 1.62, AT&T 3.14 = 3.14), so I'd guess that this is ROM 0.92 for the Sirius. It's missing the XML file found in Kaisers that indicate the version in the OEMVERSION directory. (It could be somewhere else, but I haven't looked.)
FWIW, all the files in the OEM directory are dated 09-09-07 or 09-10-07. Not sure if that matters or not, especially if the benchmarks are valid...
i tried to install it with total commander.....got through boot screen but now the black screen of death....have to hard reset now......dam it......still working on solution
IMHO, HTC could NOT make it to work on the KAISER/TOUCH... and so on, so they said, screw it, and move on w/o the driver.
I just got it and it works !!!
get it here : http://get.skyfire.com/
Screenshot :
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not working yet for OMNIA
Hi,
unfortunately not working on OMNIA screen
only supporting 240,320,480,640
Working well in the UK on my hermes. No need for fake American phone numbers.
Edit:
No sound on videos. Anyone else have this issue, or is it just me?
I am sure it is a good browser. The thing that just bothers me, is, that everything is rendered at the SKYFIRE servers - now, for getting the web content including flash, jave and multimedia on my phone ... well, excellent job! However, I have some security concerns regarding online banking and other stuff I do in the web, so, I most likely won't use it because of the rendering / generating of code at the Skyfire server!
Sure, the developers will tell me "It is 100% save" but then, ... I guess you got my point?
<Just my personal opinion - I am sure lots of users will be happy with Skyfire!>
which version is it? is it different from the beta versions like 0.8xxx (i guess it is something like that)
Its still a beta, version 0.85.0.7927. Seems about the same, but there's no need to log in.
jez83uk said:
Working well in the UK on my hermes. No need for fake American phone numbers.
Edit:
No sound on videos. Anyone else have this issue, or is it just me?
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Yep, sound is also not working for me
Still no multi-tab pages?
No Good for WVGA.
no mulitab but you can download stuff now
Works well on MDA Compact 4, nice to have full video etc when on wifi. Might be able to finally uninstall Opera mini (though it has been a good browser!!).
Works awesome on my HTC Wizard
Two nights ago I got bored with my htc wizard, had only wm5. I googled htc tweaks and found xda... my personal heaven now. two days later I have a phone I'm actually interested in.. with Wm6, SKYFIRE ( totally cool ) and a bunch of other apps I never knew existed. I didnt find a thread to say thanks to xda developers... but thanks... really.
btw, can anyone tell me what direction to step in if I want to learn about programming and writing software like the cool stuff I found on xda please?
Daniel
Skyfire's sound problem
There are no sound on athena x7501.
Just used it again, and the sound is now working. I didn't change anything, so it must have been a server issue.
2ndhandcowboy said:
... can anyone tell me what direction to step in if I want to learn about programming and writing software like the cool stuff I found on xda please?
Daniel
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The easiest way to get started is VS2008 but it is also commercial!
The good: It has a very nice user interface, excellent editor for writing code (with VISUAL Editor, so, not only script based) and finally as well a WINDOWS MOBILE EMULATOR integrated, so, you won't mess up your real device in case you make a mistake!
Besides that, VS2008 features different programming languages: Basic, C#, C++, Java - if you really want to program professionally, the only way to go would be C++. Other than that, I would recommend get started with Visual Basic - the language is easier to learn.
My recommendation:
Download one of the VS2008 EXPRESS Editions - it is freeware! Make some simple Windows desktop programming to get familiar with the interface and the programming language you have chosen. Join as well the MSDN Forums, hang out at www.codeproject.com - a great place snd source for programming techniques and code samples - and if you're finally still interested in programming, get the commercial version of VS2008 and start programming as well for PDA and Smartphone - it is really fun, trust me!
Sure, some people might come up now with the good old "It is .NET!" arguement, well, sure it is .NET! .NET is part of Windows since Windows XP SP1 and now also fully integrated in WM6.1, so, no big deal! For older platforms, the .NET distributables are available for free download.
However,
Try out cool stuff like this, go through the code to understand what it does, program your own little helpers and once you master it, you will have an easier intro to non-.NET C++ programming (which then will provide you with the full power of programming. The reason why I recommend VS2008 at first, it is very easy for non-Programmers to do stuff in there. You will in addition find millions of places / forums with how-to's.
If you make a quick jump to C++ directly (non-VS) then you most likely will get frustrated very soon since documentation and everything else is mostly written for people who know C++ inside out - VS takes you into the programming world slightly and there is much more help and lots of beginner guides available - this is why I recommend it to beginners, not to promote .NET.
The most unexpected and wonderful thing happened to Magician user is WM 6.5! (Thanks to Cotulla's brilliance). Thought that we can use this tread to post the list of software’s found working or interesting links for WM 6.5 specific themes/software, tweaks/ registry settings specific to get to once needs or any other related to R1 WM 6.5 on Magician.
1) PIM Backup working nice
2) SPB back up working
3) MS Voice command 1.6 not working properly
4) TCPMP working nicely (using the one posted in Cotulla's 3.03 thread one)
5) Resco explorer working fine
6) Second today working fine
7) Memory maid working fine
8) I used to use pocketnav for closing apps now it is spoiling the beauty so checking if ay other can be used to actually chose between close and minimise
Updated on 1-sep-09** This has everything one can use to make their R1 look beautiful http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=511052
@@ I come here for adding water....
xiaojin1985 said:
@@ I come here for adding water....
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Sorry Xiaojin did not get the context, if it is on missing Magicain set and SD card keep alive, they are like drivers and primary ones for the ROM itself so not listed
I mean that I go to your thead for just adding water @@
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BTW do you play Plants vs Zombies?
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I mean that I go to your thead for just adding water @
BTW do you play Plants vs Zombies?
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You know the best Xiaojin on Magician after Cotulla, i am seeing 6.5 for the first time , than you.... no searching for above game
So do I,ha ha...
I have started a research for CHOME before,but I found it is too hard to write my plugin for it.
j_svas said:
Thought that we can use this tread to post the list of software’s found working or interesting links for WM 6.5 specific themes/software, tweaks/ registry settings specific to get to once needs or any other related to R1 WM 6.5 on Magician.
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Yes this definitely would be interesting and also can be used to lure 64M magician users to upgrade.
At present I see no software I need that runs only in WM6.5 but not 6.1, and I use SPB Mobile Shell 3.0 so shell isn't big issue to me.
By the way XiaoJin and/or other expert with experience in upgrading ram (in China), (1) how much and (2) how many percentage that my Magician will survive with the ram upgrade, in Guangzhou? - Any referral
After upgraded, and if everything works, I think the only problem with Magician is no wifi. Though in China again I don't mind, to make all our oversea friends envy, I use China Mobile CMNET RMB$6/10MB per month package (RMB$6 is less than 1 USD) GPRS and that works great with email and stuff.
In Guangzhou:
RAM Chips - 20CNY,you need 2 chips,40CNY
Tech for upgrade - 10~~~50CNY,dependented on the man you find.
RAM費用系20文一顆，要兩顆，甘既系話你要出40文
之後你要溫個師傅幫升級，人工費大概系10文至50文之間咯
anybody saw 1024mbit chips, which can be installed to Magician board?
so 256 mbytes in common. maybe Samsung have such?
Unfortunately I have searched detail about Infineon chips before I upgraded to 128M....Also I want a bigger one so I searched many information about this.
The biggest model for Magician and other device with PXA27x is HYB25L512160AC-7.5.
It is a 512MBit(64MBytes) SDR chip,and there are no another stable chips with bigger size
Up to 1024MBit are DDR chips,which can't place in Magician board
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db1-8d964fc91eafe25c7fda0248887ec565.jhtml
I heard Samsung have chips which can be installed instead of Infeon.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productList.do?fmly_id=136
I found this datasheet
I will search more...
HYB25L512160AC-7.5 is a chip with 54-pin FBGA...
http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/H/Y/B/2/HYB25L512160AC-7.5.shtml
adding to the list of softwares
SPB pocket plus works fine
Second today works gr8
Ftouch SL works nice
Resco explorer works fine
I googled and could not find any nice Widgets for wm 6.5, any one have an idea and also in today's items we have one item called Windows default, similarly any other nice 6.5 today themes/ pluging like this ?
seems only 512 mbit chips
xiaojin1985 said:
In Guangzhou:
RAM Chips - 20CNY,you need 2 chips,40CNY
Tech for upgrade - 10~~~50CNY,dependented on the man you find.
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Thanks XiaoJin for your info.
I am aware that my magician will not be stable after the ram upgrade.
You speak Cantonese quite well. haha.
升級有風險，要三思，不過如果師傅技術好就無事
6.5 themes and plugins
Updated on 1-sep-09** This has everything one can use to make their R1 look beautiful http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=511052
I need a second phone, I want it to have windows mobile, and I want it very very small.
Requirements: small size, touchscreen, small size, windows mobile, and small size
Any suggestions ???
Thanks !!
PS: It MUST be VERY small
Go to this page, and input your desired specifications. Hit "Start", and look at the results. In my test search for a device like the one you requested, I checked "Mini Device", set "Operating System" to "Windows CE", checked the box that says "Integrated Cellular Phone", and set "Pos. Device" to "Touchscreen". Searching with those terms should return devices that match what you want. Hope you find what you're looking for.
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Go to this page, and input your desired specifications. Hit "Start", and look at the results. In my test search for a device like the one you requested, I checked "Mini Device", set "Operating System" to "Windows CE", checked the box that says "Integrated Cellular Phone", and set "Pos. Device" to "Touchscreen". Searching with those terms should return devices that match what you want. Hope you find what you're looking for.
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Actually that was the last page in my browser before hitting the "new thread" button here @ the "ole trusted" xda-devs forums
Yes, tech specs can be compared there, but the in-hand feel of a given device is somehow subjective (slim and not tall, but wide, vrs a small foot print front-looking thicker device, etc), so I wanted to hear some user oppinions
Thanks anyway !!
Will keep searching, and will take your advice regarding those parameters
I think the HTC Niki was quite small with a 2.6" screen, but the sliding keyboard might make it a bit fat.
Isn't the Diamond 1 small enough???
gtrab said:
I need a second phone, I want it to have windows mobile, and I want it very very small.
Requirements: small size, touchscreen, small size, windows mobile, and small size
Any suggestions ???
Thanks !!
PS: It MUST be VERY small
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Hi,
What about this one?
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Oops! I think it´s not touchscreen... and no HTC
http://cellphones.engadget.com/2006/02/28/axia-launches-a308-worlds-smallest-windows-mobile-phone/
Diamond 1 is the smallest useable winmo device.
khsbenny said:
Diamond 1 is the smallest useable winmo device.
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Yes, it definitely is the smallest one. Unfortunately also regarding the battery. With 900mAh it is way to little.
the diamond 1 is a very good device and its small the only thing bad about it is the crap CPU , it become hot when charging or playing with the phone and its also slow, in other word 528mhz FAKE
HTC Touch Cruise 09 is also the best qvga windows mobile out there
Pantech has a tiny phone
I think the Pantech Matrix Duo is a tiny WinMo phone, about the smallest I've seen, but I'm also pretty sure that it's not touchscreen. You can see more on it at the AT&T site, which is where I found it at.
thanks to all for your suggestions and comments
Maybe the Neonode N2 is the smallest one? Last week i saw a new one at ebay.de from a powerseller for 69,90€ (buy it now). It has a 2" touchscreen.
http://www.neonode.com/
HTC Jade
Try Jade. Its small and pocketable. I have it for almost a year now.
ehm, he wants a WM Phone.
Master_H said:
ehm, he wants a WM Phone.
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Where is the problem? The HTC JADE and the NEONODE N2 are both Windows Mobile devices... So what???
bieza said:
Maybe the Neonode N2 is the smallest one? Last week i saw a new one at ebay.de from a powerseller for 69,90€ (buy it now). It has a 2" touchscreen.
http://www.neonode.com/
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are you sure that the n2 runs windows mobile?
Japp I think so, because this is what you can read on several pages:
http://www.neono.de/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonode#N2_Facts
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/neonode-n2-black-unlocked/4505-6452_7-32815659.html#cnetReview
Some Pages say it has WinMO 6.0 Pro and some say it has Windows CE. On youtube you can find videos which shows the Windows CE Interface.