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Is there any way to configure universal for microsoft windows sideshow (in vista)?
kingdomraj said:
Is there any way to configure universal for microsoft windows sideshow (in vista)?
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Umm ..... you might want to stay off smoking the weed for a while because side-show is targeted for quick access to information which are traditionally attained by booting up the machine.
That said, under which scenario would your Universal be powered down whereby you would still demand access to information inside it.
This is ofcourse one interpretation of your query.
The other interpretation is if the Universal is hooked up to your PC / Laptop which is powered down, hence making the Universal device itself immitate as a side-show device.
The problem with this is that:
1. The SideShow Emulation Software for the Universal (which does not exist) needs to be developed
2. The USB, IR, and Bluetooth hardware of the PC / Laptop are the only interfaces to the Universal and all require the PC / Laptop to be powered up.
well in that case go for your second interpretation.. ust to keep you reminded that the new launch ie imate ultimate series due to be launched in Q2/Q3 this year supports this feature (windows side show)
and as far as my knowledge goes sideshow is only functional wen ur pc is on,( may be in sleep mode too)
if you want a link for this piece of information let me know , i ll send it across to you.
too true. One of the Microsoft developers in a discussion on WM6, mentioned the possiblity of other devices being able to use this feature. Realistically if its possible it would be highly in MS interest to do so. Otherwise at this rate, the sideshow feature is pretty useless given the complete lack of devices out there.....but turn your WM6 device into a sideshow compatible device and you watch the platform take off.
kingdomraj said:
well in that case go for your second interpretation.. ust to keep you reminded that the new launch ie imate ultimate series due to be launched in Q2/Q3 this year supports this feature (windows side show)
and as far as my knowledge goes sideshow is only functional wen ur pc is on,( may be in sleep mode too)
if you want a link for this piece of information let me know , i ll send it across to you.
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Well .... is this info not suitable to be posted in this thread? I am sure such information would be beneficial to the masses. I this actually turns out to be true, the USB interface would be the interface of choice between the WM6 device and the PC / Laptop.
That said, I still believe that such a development is useless because of the major flaw side-show has been built on. Yes, I guess I am saying that although side-show is a good idea in general, Microsoft's implementation of it is totally flawed such that side-show is indeed a useless piece of technology.
Here is the reason why:
1. The purpose of Side-Show is to access PC information while the PC is powered-off or in sleep mode. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/details/sideshow.mspx
2. To access PC information, the OS (or part of it) must be in a runtime state. For any part of the OS to be "alive" - the hardware (Processor, RAM, HDD, I/O Devices like the USB Interface, Network Interface, Bluetooth Interface, IR Interface, Sound Card?? ... etc...) must be "alive" as well. Setting the Network Interface to be alive even when the device is powered down is a simple configuration change in the BIOS. But for the HDD - this is completely impossible with today's technology. For part of the OS to be alive, a flash based device must be at the PC's disposal. This could means SSD Disks or a sizeable on-board (mainboard) FLASH. Intel's Robson component in the new Processors could also work since it is no different from an on-board FLASH. As for the other intrface devices (USB, IR, Bluetooth, etc..) being supplied with power when the whole device is powered down, again - today's mainboards just cannot do it.
3. The nail on the coffin fo SideShow is "POWER" - as in electricity. With so many portable devices sufferring from short lifespans-per-battery-charge, SideShow will drain the lifespan even further. Here is a scenario, you bought the ASUS W5fe laptop - the first one with a SideShow dedicated secondary display. This laptop has a runtime battery life of 3 hours (this is already a highly overestimated figure). With the machine powered down but side-show activated - the laptop's battery still continues to drain. Its power level can be determined directly on the sideshow display, but its drainage is dependant on how you use SideShow.
After reading the following reviews:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebooks/review/2007/04/25/Asus-W5Fe-Windows-Sideshow-Notebook/p1
http://eng.mobile01.com/newsdetail.php?id=3388
I believe that the USB interface despite being the interface of choice with the Universal, is rather impractical. A Bluetooth interface would instead be the preferred choice, but this seems rather even more impossible as far as the PC's mainboard is concerned. The reviews above have already cited USB issues when the machine is in Sleep Mode and SideShow is active which confirm the mainboard problems I have highlighted in previous posts. Additionally, the reviews refuse to put figures of power consumption and instead simply mention "lower power consumption" repeatedly. I would not be suprised if the lifespan per-battery-charge of the machine is something like 3.5 hours assuming 3 hours is the longest lifespan when the machine is fully powered up. Yes, I am saying that I am expecting the Asus machine to be marginally more "power efficient" under sideshow operation with the machine in sleep-mode, that it becomes irrelevant in the big picture.
One thing for sure is that without massive investment in the SideShow hardware required on the PC - SideShow is totally useless with today's machines already in the market.
I have a delivery for a Dell XPS M1710 machine due next week and this new machine is already incapable of accomodating SideShow.
Sideshow will wake the PC up to update info on the device.
If you have a digital photo frame that supports sideshow applets, it's irrelevant if works via wifi, bluetooth, or usb, it will recieve an update from the PC when it wakes up.
I haven't seen any Microsoft documentation to state it manages to do all of this in a sleep mode, it simply wakes up from sleep mode to update, then goes back to sleep.
That said though, I do think it's a bit pointless on a PocketPC device, you already have time, date, photos, weather, calendar & mail, as well as RSS feeds, and that covers nearly all the applets that can run on sidebar, and therefore sideshow.
I'm sure there may be a handful of users here that have a genuine need for something like this that they could not do on the pocketpc itself, but I think most people want it simply because it's an option. I also bet most of those people would get bored of it very quickly once they realise it's easier to just do it on the PPC in the first place.
One other major feature of Windows SideShow is the ability to control Windows Media Center remotely. I for one like the idea of using my Universal as a remote for my HTPC, being able to view the TV guide on my device, schedule shows to record and change the music that's currently playing for example.
MS Announced at MEDC there will be SideShowPPC
Hey,
MS reckon they are producing a software solution.
Over here: http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/showpost.aspx?postid=1660169&siteid=1
I kinda hope it works over wifi, or internet, so it can be used on the go. Seems to be a few gadgets popping up now for sideshow, too.
poedgirl said:
One other major feature of Windows SideShow is the ability to control Windows Media Center remotely. I for one like the idea of using my Universal as a remote for my HTPC, being able to view the TV guide on my device, schedule shows to record and change the music that's currently playing for example.
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Urm, not quite, the only thing SideShow adds is the ability to have a screen on the media centre remote, and therefore see things like tv guides on that.
All of the remote control functionality has been around since 2004 since Windows Media Centre came out.
The SideShow would give a display to your remote control, it would not make a display device into a remote control.
What did you guys say?
I'm not an expert, but I think this should be put in Off Topic
When I browsed here, I was looking for a way to make my Trinity to act a bit 'SideShowy', not an explanation of what SideShow is! So does someone have a clue that's NOT Off Topic?!?
Official client from http://www.vollee.com/secondlife
If you have trouble downloading, choose following version. I have removed AT&T signature (the client is in Java). Works on HTC Kaiser (non AT&T). You have to switch to landscape to play.
http://rapidshare.com/files/120027655/second_life_wm.rar
Tried it on an ETEN X800 and get the message "We cannot authenticate your player".
Also it doesn't strech to 640x480 so only part of the screen is shown.
Critical_Impact said:
Tried it on an ETEN X800 and get the message "We cannot authenticate your player".
Also it doesn't strech to 640x480 so only part of the screen is shown.
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You have to fill out their form to get yours TOKEN and OUSN (phone number). Then you can replace these parameters in JAD.
sorry to bump this thread but the rapidshare version does not work. it keeps saying cannot connect
If you try to visit the manufacturer's website you will notice that Vollee does not exist anymore.
The software was not an SL client, but actually a terminal-software. The actuall SL-Client was running at Vollee's server and it would just stream the image to your PDA, receiving in return your inputs.
This is regarded as being the future of gaming - you carry a small client, while the game itself is hosted and rendered at the manufacturer.
The obvious side effect is that you need to pay for the service and there is practically no way around that.
You can try to setup something similar, though, by installing SL on your home PC, together with a VNC server. You need to adjust the screensize proeprly and then you access your PC through a PocketPC version of VNC...
Cheers,
vma
out of all the vnc clients and servers ive tried the best for windows mobile to use for secondlife would be the remote desktop however on a lot of versions of windows it wont work unless you have a professional version of windows. and sound does work as well for it so u can hear voice but u will need a fast computer and phone for it to be an optimal experience
Remote Desktop only allows 16 bit color resolution, while Secondlife only starts if you are on 32 bit color resolution. Back then I did not find any way of getting around this, except using VNC instead.
Cheers,
vma
hey
help im new at this but i would love to play second life on my windows mobile phone can you explain how this would be done step by step?
wisconsinated said:
out of all the vnc clients and servers ive tried the best for windows mobile to use for secondlife would be the remote desktop however on a lot of versions of windows it wont work unless you have a professional version of windows. and sound does work as well for it so u can hear voice but u will need a fast computer and phone for it to be an optimal experience
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Yes i would like to know how i can run 32-Bit for my remote desktop on my HTC HD2
From what i have read i have only seen posts that allow you to go too 24-bit on XP.
But i have not managed to get that working though. My remote desktop on my Mobile phone still only allows me to go to 16-bit which is just horrible looking and doesnt allow allot of things too work.
Maybe there is a alternative program that does allow 32-bit?
Or a way to get my windows standard remote desktop to go that high?
Hopefully you guys know a way to get this working!
Cheers
You can't use Windows Remote Desktop Connection (aka RDP).
You MUST use VNC.
Install a VNC Server like UltraVNC or TightVNC on your PC and a VNC client on youer Windows Mobile phone.
Let me tell you upfront: it sucks. Too much lag, constant crashes of VNC on the mobile phone, too small a screen and the lack of keyboard makes the experience a really bad one. Much better to use Messenger straight away.
Cheers,
vma
Please can someone upload the file again? the two link are not more available, I woul like try second life on my PDA, thank you
vma said:
The software was not an SL client, but actually a terminal-software. The actuall SL-Client was running at Vollee's server and it would just stream the image to your PDA, receiving in return your inputs.
This is regarded as being the future of gaming - you carry a small client, while the game itself is hosted and rendered at the manufacturer.
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I really can't wait until stream gaming is improved, no longer would game development for mobile be entirely OS/hardware dependent.
I want only use chat of second life on my pda how can I download the software, please?
Is there an application for the TP which allows for the device to be used as a HID over Bluetooth to control a desktop PC?
there are programs that let you control your desktop PC in various ways, but nothing specific for TP or the keyboard
Wow great idea, that would be nifty on my CarPC! I'm always looking for a smaller keyboard to fit there...
Can't be that hard, I'm sure someone can do that, with all the specialists we have here in this wonderful community
"can't be that hard"?
How did you come to this conclusion?
Educated guess? Or just guess?
Well it would need to modify a little bit the bluetooth stack and emulate a HID keyboard, I guess.
Tonight I'm the Jeremy Clarkson of the day, with his most famous quote: "how hard can it be?!" when obviously it is very hard to do...
So I absolutely don't mean it is an easy thing to do, but I'm sure some experts in XDA-Dev are skilled enough to do it.
Hey, a man can dream, right?
Another option is to use a program like VNC to pilot your pc from the your raphael.
Used to do it with my old ppc (Toshiba e830). This works only if the computer you want to control is also in the same network (connected either through LAN cable or wifi).
Yes, I'm aware of a number of remote control solutions, but they all require an application to be run on the PC to be controlled. I'm really looking for a solutions which is purely based on HID. Like the Sony Ericsson remote control feature on the new phones. Great for presentations and Media Player. Any ideas?
Not exactly what you were talking about but...
http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/
About the size of a lighter, and you can use it for you phone as well. (Picture attaching your phone to the TV in the back. Using your bluetooth to open a program on it. Then typing away on the scren with this "futuristic keyboard from the stars!!".... or something like that.)
that must be one of the most useless gadgets ever created
huge initial "wow" factor, but that is all
Useless? I don't know... over priced, and unnecessary maybe, but a portable full sized keyboard doesn't seem useless to me.
Have you tried it?
I have. Very stupid to tap a plain table, since you cannot feel anything (even the separation of the buttons) you make 60% mistakes.
Also, it is not even portable! You need a large flat surface to put it and to let it throw its beam.
(and one more thing to recharge)
I stand by my original wording.
nethopper said:
Yes, I'm aware of a number of remote control solutions, but they all require an application to be run on the PC to be controlled. I'm really looking for a solutions which is purely based on HID. Like the Sony Ericsson remote control feature on the new phones. Great for presentations and Media Player. Any ideas?
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Well, HID implementation in Windows also includes programs and services that start with your windows. So if you have to install only 1 program to make it run I don't think it is a big deal.
It's 3 years I use my main computer this way. As I have a projector and don't want to start it every time I installed VNC server in my main computer (freeware) and VNC client in both my laptop and PPC, and it works pretty well (especially with Vista on my laptop, it runs pretty smooth).
@NLS:
Hmm, well from that description I will have to agree with you and add useless to my definition of the product as well.
@nethopper:
Yeah if you were looking for remote solutions I would suggest Logmein.com (the free version because I am cheap). If you want something that purely converts your phones keyboard into a computer keyboard... I found ( http://en.handybyte.com/cat/system-utilities/communications/blueremote/ ) for palm devices, this ( http://en.handybyte.com/cat/system-utilities/enhancements/ppc-tablet-remote-control-suite/ ) for ppc but over TCP/IP instead of bluetooth, and a patent showing that someone *Microsoft* is working/has worked on the idea ( http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0120448.html ) so the search continues
@FlippyTK: I'm aware of the VNC solution, but I'm really looking for something as slim and elegant as the software on the SE phones. There are situations where you don't want or can't install anything on the host PC.
@NetApex: Thanks, for the links. The MS patent is strange, how could they file something as obvious as this? There must be prior art... But the patent might be the reason why such a software does not exist. I guess everybody is afraid of the MS lawyers...
I'll keep searching, please let us know if you have the solution...
I'm not sure a pure HID solution is possible. If the Raphael keyboard is indeed a HID-capable device, then the phone itself is its host. Since you would have to go through the host (in this case, WM) to access the bluetooth stack, the most direct solution is a software "pass-through" program.
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The SE solution is using bluetooth HID emulation, so I will take a look into that.
For now, the TCP/IP solution shouldn't be a problem: you can setup a bluetooth PAN for TCP/IP connectivity.
For reference, one software that is closest to what you have in mind is Synergy, a similar host/client pass-through program that allows you to use one keyboard/mouse on multiple networked computers (without using hardware KVM switch, etc). It's only Windows/Mac/Unix, no PPC client, but maybe it will help point you in the right direction.
I found the following article which gives a nice overview of remote control solutions:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/cms/blogs/3/remote_media_controllers_for_windows_mob
The software from Jerom does a nice job (http://www.jaylee.org/RemoteControl/) and I used it on my Prophet for some time. It requires for a small program to be installed on the host and it is easy to set up. But I had it hang a few times (typically in the middle of a management presentation) and therefore I abandoned it. The SE solution I had before was absolutely reliable and that's why I look for something similar for WM.
In principle, the solution is simple: Implement a HID device driver and pass key/touches to it. I did some programming for WM devices but I never tackled the bluetooth stack... there is a significant hurdle - otherwise someone else would have done this app already. ;-)
that would be cool
using the phone to open an app that is named "operate as bluetooth keyboard" and clicking start to take control of a home theater PC using teh TV as your monitor and the desktop media PC as the CPU and just using your phone as nothing more than a keyboard would be pretty slick.
golympio said:
Wow great idea, that would be nifty on my CarPC! I'm always looking for a smaller keyboard to fit there...
Can't be that hard, I'm sure someone can do that, with all the specialists we have here in this wonderful community
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If you are so much interested in a small portable keyboard, why dont you try diNovo Mini from logitech http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboards/&cl=roeu,en
Quite cool. I use it for my Media Center!
Cyber-mate said:
If you are so much interested in a small portable keyboard, why dont you try diNovo Mini from logitech http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboards/&cl=roeu,en
Quite cool. I use it for my Media Center!
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That is cool, but also pricey
UP!!!!!
I am looking for a way to use my PDA as an input device for my desktop PC.
Preferably I would want a software I can run on my PDA, that would simulate a bluetooth HID keyboard to the desktop PC. Is there such a software?
Failing that is there a server/client based application that transmits keystrokes over a network connection (bluetooth PAN)?
I am currently using VNC to use my PDA as an input device, but I want a clean solution that only transmits keystrokes to the desktop PC and not display back to the PDA.
Thanks for your advice.
Does nobody else need this functionality?
An interesting idea!
There's a driver doing exactly the opposite here
I'd like to see this implemented
Salling Clicker
Not excacly a bluetooth HID keyboard profile, but Salling Clicker can do this. The downside to using Salling Clicker is that you need their software on the PC, but it gets the job done, none the less
http://www.salling.com/
I am also looking for this functionality. Did you try the "salling clicker" software, is it what it should do?
I wrongly assumed "use PDA as HID input" would be standard feature in Windows Mobile; it would be perfect to be able to use your PDA as both "touchpad" and/or keyboard through bluetooth for e.g. your HTPC... I sure hope somebody will be able to create a small software addition for Windows Mobiel (especially for Touch Diamond in my case).
I asked the same question a while back.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483392
I am using GRemote at this very moment. Thanks for pointing me to your thread, this seems to be almost the app I am looking for !
I searched this now for a few days on the web. I found plenty of programs doing lots of things coming close to what I am looking for but nothing exactly what I am looking for that would work.
I am looking for a program that turns my HD2 into a native bluetooth mouse. I don't need any remote control or remote desktop stuff, I want my HD2 to look like a regular mouse connected by bluetooth.
I found plenty of remote control apps, that would require a server installed to the computer I want to control with my HD2, however this is exactly NOT what I am looking for. I want to control any computer that supports generic bluetooth input devices, no matter if Windows, Linux, Mac, whatever without installing any additional software to the computer.
I found two programs, that claim to do that (mobileSRC RemoteMobile and MobileMouse) but neither will function on the HD2. RemoteMobile does not seem to support the Widcomm Bluetooth Stack and MobileMouse is not usable, because it's not designed for WVGA (at minimum, I cannot get past the Licence Disclaimer after starting the app, because I do not reach any controls to do so).
Is there anything out there that would do what I am looking for on a HD2?
+1 Looking for the same
http://gbmsoftware.com/
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http://gbmsoftware.com/
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oh yeah, this is what I was looking for, thank you very much!
Which irony: I am still looking for what I described in my first post - and while I was searching for a program capable of doing this once again, I stumbled across my own old thread here
Sadly gdayhtc's solution wich seems to make 2 die 4 happy is exaclty what I am *not* looking for. I was aware of GRemote when I wrote this posting in january already. The point is, you need to install a server application on the host you want to use your phone with. The "talking" is done between the application on the phone and the server on the host as regular network traffic. This is not what I am looking for. What I am looking for is an application that basicly says "Hi [whatever operating system you are], I am a regular bluetooth mouse! Go ahead and load your appropriate drivers, so I can talk to you (just as any other bluetooth mouse would do)!" - and if there are Bluetooth touch pads, that the phone could emulate, that would be even better Basicly the phone will promote another bluetooth service to other devices that do a bluetooth service lookup stating that it can be a bluetooth input device. I can't believe nobody did something like that! Besides having to poke around in some bluetooth input device standards it seems like the much cleaner and more appropriate approach to use your phone as an input device over bluetooth compared to what GRemote and the others are doing.
I don't think there is such thing as a 'generic' blue tooth mouse (please correct me if I am wrong).
If you get a logitech one, it still loads its appropriate driver for the operating system you are using. Same for DELL (both use setpoint) and I'm sure Microsoft (and for the different models, there may be different drivers).
What I think you can best hope for is somebody to emulate one of these 'drivers', but at the end of the day, I would assume that some driver will have to be loaded on your pc/server.