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What is the difference between these two phones (if any) and what are the differences between them and the Wizard?
Iy would be great if someone (e.g HTC) had a simple features comparison on their website but I guess that is asking for a little too much!
it's the same device... just different name
dcdivenut said:
What is the difference between these two phones (if any) and what are the differences between them and the Wizard?
Iy would be great if someone (e.g HTC) had a simple features comparison on their website but I guess that is asking for a little too much!
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http://europe.htc.com/products/tytn.php
here you can find all specs
well it just mean that htc will not be using their internal code name
as the name they will be selling their devices retail
Rudegar said:
well it just mean that htc will not be using their internal code name
as the name they will be selling their devices retail
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yes they are planning from now sell also under the brand name HTC
The TyTN is the HTC branded Hermes. T-Mobile will call it the vario II, Orange the M3100 or something and HTC names it's own device the TyTN. They are all the same hardware, only software can differ from carrier to carrier, the same as in the past with Qtek, I-Mate, T-Mobile etc. HTC chose not only to produce the Hermes, but to market the device under their own brand name as well as the TyTN.
The main differences with the Vario I are UMTS, HSPDA ready, better camera, extra cam for video telephone, jog dial and different design and button lay-out.
Dopod call Dopod 9000 or CHT9000 came out Taiwan market today,price will be NT$25,800.00 about US$800.00.
http://shopping.pchome.com.tw/dopod/detail.php?pid=AZV00183
sorry that is Chinese.
Koksie said:
The TyTN is the HTC branded Hermes. T-Mobile will call it the vario II, Orange the M3100 or something and HTC names it's own device the TyTN. They are all the same hardware, only software can differ from carrier to carrier, the same as in the past with Qtek, I-Mate, T-Mobile etc. HTC chose not only to produce the Hermes, but to market the device under their own brand name as well as the TyTN.
The main differences with the Vario I are UMTS, HSPDA ready, better camera, extra cam for video telephone, jog dial and different design and button lay-out.
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I started doing some digging and I am now wondering if it is really better than the Wizard. Here is what I found (warning - this is to the best of my knowledge and my uasge for the device may vary from yours so as always YMMV)
Here are the pros...
Faster processor (nice and sweet!)
more connectivity (nice if cingular gets the network up!)
Better camera (although this is a wash for me since I don't use the camera for anything close to serious.)
Jog dial - might be nice
Washes
Screen size and quality - same (not that it is bad now though)
Size - About the same. TyTN is a little longer but a bit narrower and not as deep.
Memory - Same with 128/64 and I was hoping this would be better.
Cons
Weight - The TyTN actually weighs more (26g) than the Wizard or at least the 8125 version. Not a huge deal but would be nicer to go the other way, especially if the extra weight is for a second camera for videophone that I will never use!
Micro SD - This is debatable but I see three negatives here... MicroSD does not have the capcaity that MiniSD does and I will have to get all new cards. Also mini sd is $34 for 1GB and micro SD is $47 or 38% more expensive (from new egg) If at least the tradeoff was a siginificantly smaller form factor then I would say it was okay but that is not the case so why!
odd Headphone jack - Okay, most people probably use bluetooth anyway so who cares about a hard jack, but why make upgrading any more costly than it is now. If it is to get a higher sound quality, who cares since with the reduced storage space of Micro SD it is not like you can load up 320 kbps mp3s anyway!
So basically my question is why would most people upgrade? This seems like a mild improvement at best with enough potential cons to make it a no go. That is really disappointing!
well my two cents on the Wizard and the Hermes ....
before the Cingular 8125 came out or any of the HTC Wizard flavors were available in the US, the Hermes has been in the news so i myself was planning to get an O2 XDA mini S (which i was planning to use in California) to somewhat replace my XDA Exec, I read about the Hermes and told myself to hold off and wait for the 3G version of the Wizard ... Note that the processor's clock speed is twice of the wizard ... Note also that the same Hermes CPU has been compared equal or better than the XDA Exec's Intel XScale 520Mhz CPU ...
If you are using the Cingular network then you might want to go get the Hermes maybe around the end of the year since 3G won't be available until then for Cingular ... while T-Mobile, well forget it, they won't roll out 3G in the next 2 years or so ...
It's just disappointing that we in the US are behind in mobile phone technology ... yeah we're catching up but we're still behind ....
For me the biggest plus is the UMTS. in Holland we have a 9.5 euros per month data plan with unlimited GPRS/WIfi/UMTS. A nice offer to go with the Hermes. You are right that the extra weight and the micro SD are cons, but since I hav not yet invested too much in mini SD that is not really an issue for me. Neither is the headset plug, I use the standard ones or a BT headset, so no biggie for me, especially since the Hermes will feature A2DP. And the extra weight is not important for me, I'm strong enough for the extra 26 gr.
The faster processor and the jog dial alone are worth the upgrade for me especially since it will not cost me much. Maybe 200 euros with a 1 year extension, so that's reasonable (Vario I only cost me 84 euros with a 1 year extension for 22.5 euros per month). UMTS is enough to really make the decision easy for me, let the Vario II arrive!
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Note that the processor's clock speed is twice of the wizard ...
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Partly true. The Mhz of the Hermes is twice as much and that might mean that the clock speed is doubled, but the overall speed and performance is not necessarily twice as high.
Different architecture makes an OMAP processor not easily comparable to an XScale or Samsung processor, at least not just based on Mhz. OMAP is double core and other architectural differences make the comparison above too simplified. You can compare it to the AMD and Intel processors, different Mhz (Ghz) but equal or better performance.
Anothe example are the MP in a digital camera. Just the amount of pixels does not mean much, 6 MP camera's with inferior lenses and chips may perform worse than 4 Mp camera's with better lenses and chips. We see it everyday in our beloved HTC devices, 1.3 MP in a Wizard sounds nice, but I know vga (300k) camera's that make better pictures than the Wizard.
Don't get blinded by the Mhz of the processor, that's all I want to say.
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for me umts is the plus
and the cam is the thing i care little about
the quality of cmos cams which are used in mobiles
because the ccd which real dig cams use, use too much power
is poor even if it's 10MP
their problem is not pixels but colours and light sensitivness
imho they can only be used to photo poor pictures of loch ness
and ufo's and then you can mms the photo to your friends or something
I think the first CCD phone/pda was announced this week. The Qool Labs QDA Icon http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/handhelds/0,39001708,39260541p,00.htm
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Don't get blinded by the Mhz of the processor, that's all I want to say.
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But it's really fast. I have both, wizard and hermes.
Hi Raskal,
I know you are a big and busy man, but pls find some time to reply to my PMs sent to u..
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Hi Raskal,
I know you are a big and busy man, but pls find some time to reply to my PMs sent to u..
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resend again, i deleted a bunch of pm
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Koksie said:
Don't get blinded by the Mhz of the processor, that's all I want to say.
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But it's really fast. I have both, wizard and hermes.
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Gotta be I guess...
Hermes is the project CodeName
Typically, when hardware or software products are originally developed, the engineering group chooses a code name for the project/product, so that (1) it will be easily spoken and recognized which project you're talking about in daily conversation (within the circle of people involved in it), and (2) to make it harder for competitors to initially figure out what the project is about if they hear the name. Hermes was HTC's code name for the development project for a device whose derivatives were ultimately produced under a variety of different Marketing Names for HTC's distribution partners (eg, O2, Vodaphone, Cingular, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc). Recently, HTC decided to distribute a Hermes version under their own marketing brand ("HTC Tytn", and developed a reseller distribution channel for that brand outside of their original wireless carrier partners.
Another example of this that many folks have already heard of: Microsoft's code name for the development of a future operating system project that they started back around 2001 or so was "Longhorn"; the resulting product(s) from that project is about to ship now as "Vista". BTW, an interesting bit of trivia on this one: the MS engineering team that develop Windows were being taken to Whistler/Blackcomb ski resort in BC once per year (perk) to party & relax. So when it came time to come up with a code name for the next version of Windows to develop, they chose "Whistler" (the products coming out of this project were eventually given the names by Marketing as "Windows XP" and "Windows Server 2003"). Shortly after the Whistler project began, they also began the development of Whistler's successor, and gave it the code name of "Blackcomb" (which is the twin mountain at the ski resort next to Whistler Mountain); however, the development timeline for the original specs of Blackcomb was underestimated, feature-creep also set in which lengthened completion even more, so it became apparent that an "interim" version of Windows needed to be released before Blackcomb was ready. At the ski resort' base village, the gondola lift stations for the two mountains are a short walking distance apart, and in-between them is a bar called the "Longhorn Saloon", so they named this "in-between" development project Longhorn; as mentioned above, the Marketing name assigned to the products from this project is Vista. Meanwhile, further delays and problems plagued the Blackcomb project, so another project & code name came into existence "Vienna", and it is now uncertain whether project Blackcomb will continue or if Vienna takes its place (probably the latter). The Vienna code name came about because it is one of the cities of the world with a spectacular vista (view). Just goes to show that there are usually interesting stories behind how the development groups choose project code names, and how creative they can be. Makes you wonder what the story is behind HTC choosing the "Hermes" name, huh?
I too have both the Wizard (Cingular 8125 version) and a new HTC Tytn version of Hermes. The most important differences to me are:
> A2DP/AVRCP, and it works! (supports stereo Bluetooth headphones)
> Jog-dial (I'll use keys before stylus any chance I can get)
> Faster processor (Need for Speed)
> 2mp camera (I've rarely used a phone camera in the past because of low-res/poor quality, but now we're getting into the ballpark of acceptable quality pix)
> teleconferencing camera on the front (curious about using a potentially very cool feature as teleconferencing continues to grow among my friends & family)
> UMTS/HSDPA (Need for Speed again). Browsing with Edge is a pain in the *ss. I've become addicted to UMTS in my notebook computer wireless card...almost like DSL, and now I can actually USE the phone for browsing. I'm a "blue-side" (ATT Wireless) Cingular customer, fortunate to have UMTS around me here.
> I think the Tytn is immediately superior to the Wizard phones over-all. Worth getting one now, instead of waiting for UMTS network completion.
I concur with the previous poster about the Tytn shortcomings, in particular:
> No 2.5/3.5mm headset jack (the HTC guys that decided that one should be hung by their tongues); I'm building an adapter right now so that I can hopefully use some decent headphones & mike (the earbuds/mike that comes with the phone is crap)
> headphone connector (miniUSB) is located in an unusual location, such that third party carrying cases' made for the installed base of popular HTC phones (eg, Vaja) now have the headphone hole cut-out in the "wrong" location (ie, can't listen to mp3 music via wired headphones when the phone is in the case, unless you butcher the case to make a hole in the "right" location)
> boring aesthetic design...in a world where Motorola, Sony and now even
Samsung are leading the market in sexy styling, the HTC phones are looking pretty staid & grim.
> When is a Windows Mobile phone going to get a reliable voice-dialer, like that of the Treo (had one of those before the Wizard)? This thing is a deaf & dumb when it comes to voice recognition!
> the freakin' dial-pad buttons are STILL too small (Wizard has same problem)! I'm constantly fat-fingering the wrong keys on the screen, and I'm tired of using my fingernail to dial...does anyone out there have a better dial-pad that takes up most of the screen that can be loaded into this thing?
Hello!
Maybe someone have some arguments or idea which option is better.
One option is PDA with Phone module like HTC products. I don't mean Smartphones
Other one is to have separate Mobile Phone with Bluetooth and PDA where each device have related features.
There are advantages and disadvantages for each of options.
For example if you have "all in 1" device. It (at least my) sometimes hangs and software phone doesn't start but it dosen't mean that radio part doesn't work. At end you can totally loose some incoming call or SMS but caller/sender will think that you have received it. I can't say that I have lost many calls but it happens. Other disadvantage is that usually for "all in 1" devices features is low to average.
Other option is with 2 devices. There is some disadvantages too. First of all you have to carry two devices, you have to take care for both devices, follow battery charge. You have to find where to put both of them in some pocket or on belt. Other thing is that Bluetooth have to be switched on in both devices for all the time or much longer time. Probably it is not good idea.
I'll be happy to read some comments
Well as one who has both regular PDA and Phone PDA (see my sig) I can say this:
Depending on your use of the PDA part you may not loose any calls, but you have to be careful what you run on it. I do agree though that the phone part is less stable then on regular cell phone.
As for "low to average features" here I have to disagree. My Jamin is not and never was "top of the line" device yet it has WIFI G, BT 2.0 and 2MP camera. Granted the processor is a bit slow but it does the job without guzzling down the battery. Plus the device is very compact overall (an important feature for cell phone replacement in my opinion)
If you look at newer devices HTC has finally got the point with HERMES and put in a 400MHz processor. O2 now has some non HTC phones with 520 MHz processor and new generation of ARM base CPU that go as high as 1.2 GHz is just around the corner.
All in all if you need the functionality of the PDA for your business affairs or online stuff (not just navigation, music and games) I think a combine device beats having a regular phone plus PDA almost in every respect.
As for smartphones (actual smartphones with win mobile but no touch screen) they are the compromise. They sacrifice some of the power of the PDA to give you a fully stable phone module just like a regular cellphone.
But in the end to each his own so the choice of Phone PDA / smartphone / PDA + regular phone is an individual thing.
I've been using the setup with one pda and one cell for a couple of years until I changed it when buying the wizard a couple of months ago. And today I wouldn't want to go back to carrying two devices. The pdaphones have come a long way and I don't feel that they're a compromise any longer. Sure, the wizard doesn't have the 3d acceleration etc like some of the pdaonly devices yet for me it's quite enough.
And they way companies through out phones today(half-done) they just as easily hang and you miss calls and text's.
I'm sticking with the pdaphone
OK Thanks guys
I assume from replies that it is better if in one device is all features and of course it sounds logical.
About features. I was looking around to find some PDA phone with not much features together. Or better say didn't find with features I have in "must" list. And I think it is nothing mega.
Ah yes currently I have wizard which seems starts to show up some I suppose aging "features".
I'm rather business user, main applications is e-mail, calendar and office applications. Of course not only business apps.
Main feature I really need in new device is VGA screen because with my current qVGA screen is tricky to look at spreadsheet or some word document.
Other is faster CPU than Wizard has, sometimes that slowness it is really annoying.
And at least a bit larger user available internal flash/ram.
If in it would be GPS module it would be ideal, but ir isn't required.
G - WiFi.
QWERTY - not required but good to have.
Currently in market there is no much devices with such features. All devices I like is with note "early 2007". I'm not sure my current device will last so long. And of course no info about prices
Actually, aside from GPS, HTC Universal answares to just about everything on that list. It's not a new device, but it is 3G and VGA plus it has the biggest screen of all phones to date 3.5'
Some upcoming VGA models will have a 2.8' screen which means true VGA (what you get when you cancel out pixel doubling with something like OzVGA) will be practically useless as you will need a microscope to read the text.
Check out the upcoming O2 Flame, I'm definitly saving myself for that one
OK my employer made decision without my assistance
After in some urgent situation I was unreachable due to my wizard hang I just got phone. As employer pays for my bills (lucky me) I have no choice.
Now I'm happy or "happy" Nokia 6230i owner.
Let's see after some time
Thanks for answers!
Hi,
Ive decided to go with Wm over UIQ3/S60 due to more software.
Ive never had a ppc, but i expect to do some tinkering in terms of software and maybe custom rom's
Turns out that choosing the os was the easy part.
Im now faced with hardware dilemmas. Sorry if this is long, but i dont want to throw away 400$ or more on a phone that may not meet my expectations
1. The devices i looked at range from 200mhz omap to about 500mhz from various chip makers. How noticeable is the cpu speed if a phone has the same ram?
2. Next is Ram, how important is it to have 128 megs??
3. last is Rom, how useful is this- cant u just dump progs to the expandable memory card. performance wise how diff are progs installed on the rom verses the expandable memory?
phones i am considering are gsm: htc touch, touch cruise, SE x1, asus p527/p750, lg ks20, glofiish x650/x600, toshiba g810, gsmart i3xx?, samsung i780. How crippling is the htc driver problem?
a) i kinda want my phone to have some metal on the case- will it get less scratches?
b) how useful are phones with just direction and 2 buttons-send/end call? how useful is a 9# keypad in real buttons? seems redundant with soft key option
c) Am i better off with the cheaper options to get used to wm rather the go for a more luxury option?
I plan to keep the phone for about 3 years.
also how useful is the wifi versus data plan( i am in Ontario Canada)?
i plan to use it to call long distance in Canada via Voip, as i am around wifi hot spots often.
Thank you to all who give me some input.
I'll chime in where I can:
2. Very important. I find that 64 is not enough and 128 is too much. If they made 96MB RAM it would be perfect. But noone does that I know of. Better to have too much than too little. Battery life will suffer a little (less power used for less memory).
3. It's pretty important. I have 256 MB ROM and after everything I only have 128 free. If you only had 128 to begin with, who knows how much you'd be left with? Some apps need to be installed in ROM and not Storage Card. Get 256 if you can.
b) I never really use any buttons other than on/off and talk/end. I have a hardware button setup for the today screen, which helps me because I use it alot.
Hope that helps!
That clears it up thank you wildcard.
Ths could eliminate some phones from my list.
Could anyone clear up processor speed for me, does it really make a diff given enough ram?
Also out of the phones I mentioned, is there a clear choice that satisfy me- ignoring the phones not yet released( x1, g810)?
Is there an gsm htc touch clone from o2 or whoever that mimics the CDMA version ( 400mhz, 128 ram)?
Don't take this as entirely factual but:
-64mb RAM is good, but I could have used 128mb. Battery life is affected, but I don't know how much.
-CPU probably has some effect, but 400mhz is standard and fine. 200mhz is probably much slower.
-There is no 400mhz/128MB RAM Touch clone for GSM
-Apps run faster from ROM. With only system utilities on my device and with the ROM made spring clean, I could not have more than 32 out of 49MB of free RAM left. 64 is really small, 128 is a minimum if you don't want to count on your card or keep extra fonts/voice commands/media.
-You MUST have Wi-Fi. What kind of sane Canadian would rely on data... probably a filthy rich one! Rogers is about to bring affordable unlimited data soon tho, but they say it will be for "a selected list of phones" which will probably exclude the very phones that need it IMO. iPhone whores...
-If you're not sure about Windows Mobile, try an emulator (found on microsoft website using google) for developers and surf around. It's far from what you can actually do with your device but it helps you see what it's all about.
You might want to try PalmOS if Wi-Fi and web browsing is not a necessity. I changed to WM and would never switch back, but some did the opposite and loved it.
Suggestion:
-TyTN / TyTN II have plenty of buttons+hardware keyboard, great for playing video game ROMs and games in general, but makes the device much thicker. You will love having lots of hardware buttons (one for flashlight, another for calendar then another for...)
-HTC Touch. It must be slower, but if you remove web browsing, heavy customization and the like, it will be a nice pocketable device. It's so damn cute compared to my fat TyTN (which I love). It only lacks more buttons and some power under the hood.
Thanks again.
Rogers has some sort of Rogers Vision Plan that includes data for 7$ still dont know much about it, its all new. I'd rather not pay anything extra LOL.
www.tryphone.com has a preview of palm os, but that doesnt interest me.
I couldnt figure out the windows mobile simulation from microsoft, but i did use a htc briefly in a store.
Anyways from whats been posted:
Avoid 200 mhz
Avoid anything less then 128 ram
Avoid anything less then 256 rom
This basically leaves HTC, Samsung, toshiba, Hp 610 and upcoming expensive X1.
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From what i understand Rom flashing is basically reinstalling WM and bundling less progs with it? Am I correct?
Could any one point me into the direction of more info on ROM flashing?
How hard is it to make a custom Rom from scratch in case I go with a non HTC phone i.e. Samsung/ Eten / Asus .. i gather the other communities dont have it as rich as this one.
Avoid LG KS20 !
Hello andrey08,
There is one thing I can tell : do not buy a LG KS20 !. It is plagued by totally flawed display drivers : many GAPI apps do not work, and most DirectDraw ones do not.
Moreover, LG stripped from the ROM QTV support, so you will not have hardware accelerated video playing.
There is also a problem with the microphone while phoning, which stops functionning while switching between GSM and 3G bands.
Finally, their customer support is even worst than HTC's since they always pretend not being aware of these problems and do not plan to release a new ROM to correct anything when asked (since there is no problem according to them...).
I'm the poor owner of this piece of crap, and can not even resell it since it would be scam (you can't not even rely on it to phone !).
You can search the internet to confirm what I say : european forums are full of messages of angry customers. Our problem is that we can not have class actions in europe as in the US, and it is not an easy task to individually sue vodaphone or LG.
Lastly, concerning HTC recent products : if you read this forum, you will find that recent MSM7xxx HTC products are plagued by a very slow display. Compatibility and applications support seems OK though.
what about screen type
i know VGA is 4 times the display ability of QVGA, however whatsthe draw back of VGA
do all programs run on both VGA/Qvga screens??
whats the issue with video play back??
andrey08 said:
what about screen type
i know VGA is 4 times the display ability of QVGA, however whatsthe draw back of VGA
do all programs run on both VGA/Qvga screens??
whats the issue with video play back??
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I would go for a VGA phone every time, but the advantages are relatively subtle.
Most QVGA programs will work on VGA, either because they are natively supported, or they use pixel-doubling.
You won't notice much of a difference for most of the built-in programs apart from smoother fonts and cleaner icons. This can be hacked using something like realVGA, but I find the icons get too small for practical benefit, although YMMV.
VGA, however, definitely comes into its own when you are web-browsing or using the remote desktop client, because the increased resolution means that you can get a near-desktop experience.
The disadvantage is that VGA displays theoretically sap more battery, although I haven't found this to be a problem in practice. Video playback is also more dependent on what hardware you have on the device and whether there is any acceleration.
ZSX said:
I would go for a VGA phone every time, but the advantages are relatively subtle.
Most QVGA programs will work on VGA, either because they are natively supported, or they use pixel-doubling.
You won't notice much of a difference for most of the built-in programs apart from smoother fonts and cleaner icons. This can be hacked using something like realVGA, but I find the icons get too small for practical benefit, although YMMV.
VGA, however, definitely comes into its own when you are web-browsing or using the remote desktop client, because the increased resolution means that you can get a near-desktop experience.
The disadvantage is that VGA displays theoretically sap more battery, although I haven't found this to be a problem in practice. Video playback is also more dependent on what hardware you have on the device and whether there is any acceleration.
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Also make sure you read my (W)VGA-related articles & reviews - from MWC, I've posted a LOT on the brand new / forthcoming VGA devices (for example, the i-mate 9502, the x7510 etc)
andrey08 said:
Hi,
Ive decided to go with Wm over UIQ3/S60 due to more software.
Ive never had a ppc, but i expect to do some tinkering in terms of software and maybe custom rom's
Turns out that choosing the os was the easy part.
Im now faced with hardware dilemmas. Sorry if this is long, but i dont want to throw away 400$ or more on a phone that may not meet my expectations
1. The devices i looked at range from 200mhz omap to about 500mhz from various chip makers. How noticeable is the cpu speed if a phone has the same ram?
2. Next is Ram, how important is it to have 128 megs??
3. last is Rom, how useful is this- cant u just dump progs to the expandable memory card. performance wise how diff are progs installed on the rom verses the expandable memory?
phones i am considering are gsm: htc touch, touch cruise, SE x1, asus p527/p750, lg ks20, glofiish x650/x600, toshiba g810, gsmart i3xx?, samsung i780. How crippling is the htc driver problem?
a) i kinda want my phone to have some metal on the case- will it get less scratches?
b) how useful are phones with just direction and 2 buttons-send/end call? how useful is a 9# keypad in real buttons? seems redundant with soft key option
c) Am i better off with the cheaper options to get used to wm rather the go for a more luxury option?
I plan to keep the phone for about 3 years.
also how useful is the wifi versus data plan( i am in Ontario Canada)?
i plan to use it to call long distance in Canada via Voip, as i am around wifi hot spots often.
Thank you to all who give me some input.
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I heartily recommend the MWC-based handset reviews I've posted in the last week into this very forum (i-mate, HP, Samsung etc)
Thanks i'll chekc it out.
im considering either an Eten x650 or MWg Atom V
reviews and such look good for both
Yeah anyways, I was on youtube and found some guy who a touch diamond clone from this site. The phone actually looked like the touch diamond and it ran windows mobile with touch flo(I think) in his video review. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ga-D15eqw
The site also sells that Touch HD clone too, and alot of other clones including stuff running windows mobile. I might want to buy something on there one day, so I just came here to see if it's a good site.
It isn't clones but device with similar layout.
D'rath
Are these phones good?
Lied to me about Ciphone C6A CPU (really K3 360mhz)
I recently (11/17/09) purchased an iPhone clone from fastcardtech.com. After doing a good deal of research on the forums I could read (english) I decided this was a good smartphone to purchase and fastcardtech had a fairly competitive price.
Before buying the phone I sent several messages asking for more details about it and one of my big concerns was the CPU processor speed. To run Windows Mobile 6.1 app smoothly you need to have a decent CPU in your phone. At this point in time that to me would be 400mhz or faster. They assured me more than once that it comes with a Samsung 2443c 450mhz processor. And to get a CPU that fast at the price they were offering was a pretty good deal so I made the purchase. Incidentally the CPU speed is boldly advertised on their site:
http://www.fastcardtech.com/goods.php?id=2623
Phoned arrived fairly quickly from the factory in China and it came with all advertised accessories looking brand new so high scores for this company right out of the gate. I went ahead and put some of my favorite apps on the phone which include SK Tools so I could run their CPU benchmark tool. Basically it compares the phones CPU to a list of other already indexed CPUs from other phones. And guess what my CPU ends up scoring lower than the Samsung 2442 (400mhz) processor! Unsure what to make of this score I go the device information panel on the phone at it does indeed tell me I have a Samsung 2443c 450mhz inside. Still I am obviously suspicious based on the score so I decide to join a few forums in Chinese and wade through the translated threads to see what I can dig up.
After a great deal of research I uncover that pretty much everyone in China who owns a Ciphone C6 knows that it comes with a Hisilicon-K3 360mhz CPU! Unbelievably the manufacturers of this phone have blatantly modified the device info panel to mislead someone about the real CPU. So I ended up with a CPU that is not only considered inferior in quality to the Samsung CPU, but also runs almost 100mhz (25%) slower. Another trick I discovered is that some of these companies are starting to overclock the CPU inside so it will meet the expected speed advertised, but it is still not the advertised CPU inside and clearly overclocking any CPU is going to reduce its life expectancy and that of the battery.
A few of the forums I am referring to are:
http://bbs.shanzhaiji.cn/forumdisplay.php?fid=37
http://www.mobileuncle.com/forum-59-1.html
http://www.cifans.com/forum/ ( this one has an english speaking section)
What really upsets me about this whole process with fastcardtech is how willing they were to lie to me and 1000's of other customers. They post responses to the questions they are asked on the main page so everyone can read them. However they only post public responses that they WANT to be seen. This where I asked my CPU question and where they publicly responded yes it is a Samsung 2443c CPU inside. Because so many folks in China know what the real processor is in this phone I do not for a minute believe fastcardtech when they tell me they were not aware of this fact. And since they have yet to update their listings to reflect the truth about the K3 process they willingly continue to keep the lie going for profit.
BTW if anyone is interested have added a YouTube video showing how to upgrade the memory for this phone in which I also warn people about the real CPU inside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnSFL4pB2ns
In the end I did get a great smartphone but it does not run at the speed advertised and therefore will never run some of the apps I had planned on installing. And that type of blatant misrepresentation cannot go unanswered as I am certain it is happening with other phones being sold on the fastcardtech site.
At the end it goes without saying but here it comes anyway, buyer beware! Do thorough research before buying a Chinese smartphone including on sites in Chinese using a tool like Google translator.
Thanks, Mike
yes, HiSilicon Hi3611 360Mhz.. it's nice actually and i have one
DONT TRUST THE BENCHMARK ON SK TOOLS lol IT TOLD ME MY TOUCH HD HAS A LOWER INDEX SCORE THAN A HTC WIZARD WICH IS OBVIOUSLY CRAP
How's the overall performance on this phone? The only reason I like this phone is the screen size and it GPS. Does the Ciphone C6A have any screen issue? Is playback smooth for Real Video RMVB? I saw some comments on the board that the speaker sound pretty scratchy.
dadicer that is sad indeed... But as I am looking to buy a T3232+ and got to fastcardtech, searching through their listings made me want to trust them. They do have a T3232 claiming to be 624MHz, but they clearly state that it is faked by the manufacturer and runs at 460MHz. They also have another, saying it's a true PXA310 624MHz. (Here forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5198223 you can see it's in fact faster than a Fujitsu-Siemens N560 (it's a PXA270 624MHz). So, I believe it's true.
I have seen them saying the same thing about real speeds lower than claimed on other phones, too. I hope it was just the one you bought, though even that is bad!
Overall, I hope it's trustworthy enough, cause I'm gonna use it real soon... Only thing that gets on my nerves is they don't accept PayPal for $300+ orders...
C6A is the best of all.. 3.5" very smooth.. with GPS(working with garmin too ) 360Mhz with default driver.. 460Mhz with modified driver.. working with wm 6.5 28005 build.. rmvb, wmv, avi is real smooth even with 360Mhz.. yes sound is scratchy if you max out the setting in wm registry and volume unless you reduce the wm registry setting
Sunno s880
I have a sunno s880 from Fastcardtech and it is ferry basic phone.
camera is 3M pixel not 5, gps and wifi works well, comes only with wm6.5 no other software included, so i have installed SPB Mobile Shell TomTom core player and opera with runs well, littelbit slow now and then.
hardware info says it has a Marvell PXA310 cpu at 1GHz
but i don't believe that, is there a tool to check this.
case feels a bit cheap and the sound is not very loud, screen is ok a little bit dark in sunlight.
it has Marvell on 806MHz
Dirk38 said:
I have a sunno s880 from Fastcardtech and it is ferry basic phone.
camera is 3M pixel not 5, gps and wifi works well, comes only with wm6.5 no other software included, so i have installed SPB Mobile Shell TomTom core player and opera with runs well, littelbit slow now and then.
hardware info says it has a Marvell PXA310 cpu at 1GHz
but i don't believe that, is there a tool to check this.
case feels a bit cheap and the sound is not very loud, screen is ok a little bit dark in sunlight.
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You can use SKTool as stated in the 2nd post of this thread...although it was said the benchmark is not totally reliable.
Question about the phone though, does it has a light senor, proximity sensor and g-sensor/accelerometer??
do not buy clones, buy original!!!
Avoid future problems
nice phone
I bought a iphone clone from fastcardtech.com,many classmates of mine thought it is a real iphone,lol.I really like this phone.
Good site
I HAVE BOUGHT a Yophone V3 PHONE " on their website and it is a good phone
From the guys 3 days ago.
I 'm so excited abou that !!!
I like it very much.It has TOM CAT WASH SEXY
They promised to send me some gifts too,
nice site
this website is cool. I have been bought a cellphone here before. Onmatter the sales services ,shipment,quality,or price ect., are satisfactory to me. If I have some problem of the prduct, just I make a phonecall or send a message, the missionary can solve the problem for me at once.because they offer 24hours sercives
How is M 98 ?
I just see the "M 98 " of this site ,it looks nice ,I would like to read throughly understanding of this phone .Have someone ever bought this phone ?
Could you please tell me your shopping experience about it if you have bought it ?
Thanks a lot .
Yes
I just saw some nice ,cheap phones on fastcardtech.com
And they are many Android phones ,
Anyone who want to go with me?
Comparing with other sites ,this site is better .I think .
tablet
I ordered a tablet from fastcardtech.com,the price is low.it runs fast,I downloaded my games in it,I enjoy this tablet.
nice site
i got a phone from them before, at first, i worried about my phone, is it can come to my house safety? the quality is good? are they a cheater..many image on my mind. but after goting the phone, it was worth buying, as it was cheaper for me and the quality is alse good for me. althought it was a little late to come to my house. i like it
I won't call this so much of a "dream phone" post, as it is a serious suggestion to any hardware devs that may scour smartphone forums, such as these. Anyway, I recommend that the following be implemented as a minimum/standard in future flagship devices (in no particular order)...
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[B]Compass[/B], hardware
[B]3D[/B] acceleration [I](Working, that is. ::ahem:: HTC!! ::hem::)[/I]
[B]TV-out, 720P[/B] [I]([B]1080P[/B], preferably)[/I]
[B]Capacitive[/B] screen [B][I]WITH[/I][/B] [B]stylus[/B] solution [I](Which we all know to be in the works, at least by HTC)[/I] with [B]magnetic sensor[/B] [I](a la Touch Pro)[/I]
*MP camera with [B]autofocus[/B], [B]flash[/B], [B][I]AND at least[/I] VGA video recording[/B]
[B]Stereo[/B] device speaker(phone)
[B]TRACKBALL (!!!)[/B] [I](If you're gonna take D-pads away, THROW IN A TRACKBALL. I mean, look how little space it takes up)[/I]
[B]G-Sensor[/B] [I](And, more responsive. I don't know if hardware or software's to blame here)[/I]
[B]Light/Proximity Sensor[/B]
[B]802.11 a/b/g/n[/B] [I](I want [B]COMPLETE[/B] Wi-Fi connectivity)[/I]
[B]USB Host[/B] capabilities
[B]QWERTY[/B] keyboard [B][I]WITH[/I][/B] [B]offset keys, "Ctrl", "Tab"[/B] and [B]Fn-key NumPad layout[/B] [I](a la at&t's iteration's of HTC flagship devices)[/I]
[B]3.5mm audio output[/B]
[B]IR[/B] (Give me back the capability of using my device as a remote control...[B]DAMMIT![/B] And, with decent [B]range[/B])
[B]Tilting screen[/B]
And, let's not forget...[B]Thin[/B]ner is [I]always[/I] [B]BETTER[/B]
The cool thing about this list is it isn't OS-specific (aside from hardware key requirements), so I feel these should, no MUST be implemented in future WM6.1/6.5/7 and Android devices. Bluetooth's a given, and I'm sure it'd be 2.0 or higher. CPU and RAM I've left out because these can, should, and will vary, however I'd say the numbers oughta be appropriate for a flagship business/multimedia/gaming, overall high-end device. But, I'd imagine 1GHz and 512MB is a nice sweet spot. microSDHC is another given, as is aGPS. I'd really only wanted to emphasize the main varying factors.
Anyway, anyone, myself included, would be willing to pay top-dollar for such devices, I'm sure... No, I'm lying. I'd still try to find the very best bargain I could to spend THE very least possible, but that's besides the point. Feel free to chime in everyone.
It wouldn't hurt if it were a CDMA worldphone, either
Yes, because you can have a qwerty keyboard in a really thin device! What's the point of HD TV-out if you can only record at VGA?
YES!
Except:
- no TV-out
- mono speaker
- mini-USB for power
- a screen that is actually readable in sunlight not like the ****ING CRAP HTC STICK US WITH
- a CPU that can actually handle the software/OS on the device
- how about some decent memory. The iPhone has 16GB+
- a decent price ($200 max with contract)
- decent battery (1 day HEAVY, HEAVY usage - 2+ days light usage)
And there should be 3 form factors for this device:
- iphone
- iphone with a slide out qwerty (which should not add more than 0.2mm)
- blackberry
coolVariable said:
- iphone with a slide out qwerty (which should not add more than 0.2mm)
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Yeah, because you ought to be able to fit a sliding mechanism, keys, and mounting hardware in 200 microns!
Seriously, you can put whatever you like in a list like this, but you can't change the laws of physics (and what you're requesting would require that...)