Hey guys!
I've got the i-mate Jam... can I install the S100's ROM on it?
What's the difference between these two device's ROM?
There are quite a number of threads discussing this. Basically they are almost the same. It's more on what additional software is in the Extended ROM. I've used both I-mate and Qtek ROMs in many instances but see no big difference. I immediately make the BigStorage ROM and install Extended ROM software that I like.
How can I make the BigStorage ROM? What is this?
Sorry boys, I'm new to PDA I tyry to gain more infos as possible
Thank you
The standard configuration of a Jam/S100/Mini is that a certain amount of storage memory is reserved for carrier/brand configurations and is totally inaccessible to the user. The BigStorage ROM is a hack which gives the user access to this storage for installing software to this memory area keeping the main memory area more free for running programs. It also becomes more flexible since the user can decide which carrier/brand configuration apps to install. There are many threads about this topic, or checkout the topic "Upgrade to 1.13 WWE in 10 easy steps".
As always suggested, please search more on this topic and before you decide to jump into the band wagon, be sure to make a backup of your data and current ROM.
Thank you zerimar, you're very polite to explain me the way.
The point is that here all the users knows a lot about the PDA, how is its internal structure and what kind of tricks we can do to take it @ best.
I'm novice and I'd like to read a very small and concise guide that can explain me the basic things like how much amount of ROM we have instaled and if it is simply flashable (as "storage") or only during flash-upgrade, how it is divided and what tasks any section has, where stores WM and where the other custom software from carriers ("third part").
If it it possible to update olny some parts of the ROM a time.
Thank you for support and answers (could be very short)
Search!
Excuse me, search for what (which search key?)?
May I've to read all the forum?
All Your questions are already answered across this forum
All you have to do is to use the SEARCH option because everything is already answered across this forum. If you dont like to read, imagine if You need to write!... LOL
Seriously: Please how You ask somebody to write if You are not willing to read... :wink:
Hi,
For the rom-layout go to the wiki, it contains a complete description. & yes you can update eg. the splash-screen & radio separately.
You must use sd-flash method or shippedlrom method to apply BS.
Howto's are available in other threads, like the one suggested earlier.
Cheers, M
hello there!
i am new (4months) to this forum and i have some questions.
i red the wiki. but still some things are very unclear.
but my biggest problem si that i can't figure out how many versions of WM6 are there. all i count is:
1. Midget_1990 v.1.0
2. Universal WM6 Pro ROM
3. Jwrightmcps ROM update 2.02.02
4. Jwrightmcps ROM Update 2.02.00 WEE
5. WM6 CHT/.../DUT with Radio 1.15.00 from Darkforce
are there any others ???
i appriciate all the users that took part of those releases, i realy do appriciate their work, but i think this forum is a little bit unorganised.
wouldn't it be better to name all the WM6 versions in the same way like:
1. [WM6] [Midget_1990] [1.0]
2. [WM6] [Jwrightmcps] [2.02.02]
3. [WM6] [Jwrightmcps] [2.02.00]
etc.....
or something like this, somename that includes the version, the build number, the os number, and put them sepparatly on the top of the forum (sticky).
and i would suggest to keep modifying the first reply from the topic. the one that includes the description of the version and to add all the things that are discovered by users.
sometimes it takes 20 pages to get and to read a reply that says something that really matters to you. the rest is just "thank you" replies.
for example, if you want to use an certain program you might spend a few days reading the topic and find out that you shouldn't have upgraded your device because u cannot run the program.
i personally don't understand what is "Universal WM6 Professional ROM".
from the name of the thread, it is not verry relevant who build it.
and also why is this one "professional"? i would call "professional" the WM6 release from an official source like HTC.
i don't want to offend anyone with this topic.
i just struggle to understand for 2 weeks what is going on with al these versions.
and i hopped that at some point, someone will make a conclusion about evry WM6 version, something like:
"version no.1 crashes evry 20min, etc...
version no.2 doesn't have videocall, msn chat, office, etc...
version no.3 is the best of all but still hasn't got a videocall function. this can be fixed with the cab provided in the topic (link), etc..."
again, i hope noone is offended by my post.
i trully appriciate all your work, but i just think that it needs to be just a little bit organised. all that hard work and sleepless nights of the authors, need to be a little more easy to read.
thanks in advanced for your time and your understanding!
The answer my friend is blowing in the wind
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307625
Hewlit said:
hello there!
i am new (4months) to this forum and i have some questions.
i red the wiki. but still some things are very unclear.
but my biggest problem si that i can't figure out how many versions of WM6 are there. all i count is:
1. Midget_1990 v.1.0
2. Universal WM6 Pro ROM
3. Jwrightmcps ROM update 2.02.02
4. Jwrightmcps ROM Update 2.02.00 WEE
5. WM6 CHT/.../DUT with Radio 1.15.00 from Darkforce
are there any others ???
i appriciate all the users that took part of those releases, i realy do appriciate their work, but i think this forum is a little bit unorganised.
wouldn't it be better to name all the WM6 versions in the same way like:
1. [WM6] [Midget_1990] [1.0]
2. [WM6] [Jwrightmcps] [2.02.02]
3. [WM6] [Jwrightmcps] [2.02.00]
etc.....
or something like this, somename that includes the version, the build number, the os number, and put them sepparatly on the top of the forum (sticky).
and i would suggest to keep modifying the first reply from the topic. the one that includes the description of the version and to add all the things that are discovered by users.
sometimes it takes 20 pages to get and to read a reply that says something that really matters to you. the rest is just "thank you" replies.
for example, if you want to use an certain program you might spend a few days reading the topic and find out that you shouldn't have upgraded your device because u cannot run the program.
i personally don't understand what is "Universal WM6 Professional ROM".
from the name of the thread, it is not verry relevant who build it.
and also why is this one "professional"? i would call "professional" the WM6 release from an official source like HTC.
i don't want to offend anyone with this topic.
i just struggle to understand for 2 weeks what is going on with al these versions.
and i hopped that at some point, someone will make a conclusion about evry WM6 version, something like:
"version no.1 crashes evry 20min, etc...
version no.2 doesn't have videocall, msn chat, office, etc...
version no.3 is the best of all but still hasn't got a videocall function. this can be fixed with the cab provided in the topic (link), etc..."
again, i hope noone is offended by my post.
i trully appriciate all your work, but i just think that it needs to be just a little bit organised. all that hard work and sleepless nights of the authors, need to be a little more easy to read.
thanks in advanced for your time and your understanding!
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wm6 professional ala wm5 pocket pc
wm6 standard ala wm5 smartphone
this is the new naming convention used by M$
there is PDAVIET rom, helmis rom leo's rom and probably rom released by couple of other people
i guess the reason why you see different nomenclature used for the rom is because all rom makers usually work independently.(though i really like your idea)
as for some app being incompatible with one given rom... well i guess i have seen some people claiming that a particular rom broke an application while some one else will say that it works...and frankly speaking the rom makers can not update their bug log just because one guy claims so...
tailazoom said:
The answer my friend is blowing in the wind
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307625
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i'm sorry but i don't really understand what to read at that link.
could you be more specific?
Hewlit said:
hello there!
i personally don't understand what is "Universal WM6 Professional ROM".
from the name of the thread, it is not verry relevant who build it.
and also why is this one "professional"? i would call "professional" the WM6 release from an official source like HTC.
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The link is concering the discussion on the what you called professional rom, the do or don't release of HTC wm6 build for the Universal and the hesitating behaviour of many rebranders.
it`ll get easier
The forum is diverse, this is a good thing, just a little confusing at first.
Also, as i understand it, english isn`t always the first language of all it`s members.(but all who post,post in english, for which i am profoundly grateful )
Goodluck neighbour....
I Agree with HewLit...
ordering them with tags like
[OS][author][version] would make it way easier to find new releases...
so ive been using death rom V2. now im test out others right now i have garmin DK 1.2 on my phone and i noticed it doesn't have my fav feature. on my head set i press a button and say call house. and it calls, no prerecording or training. can i add that feture to any rom? what is name of program i need. or if possible link plz.
thank u
It's Microsoft voice command V1.6.19209 what u are searching for
You can also post your question in the Garmin Rom thread. It may be a Rom issue.
its just not M$ voice command its also Cybertron Voice Dialer that comes with shipped roms depending on which provider releases the rom. Most cooks leave M$VC out of roms because its software you have to pay for and some MOD's do not like when you put it in a rom since its illegal technically but CVC is provided for free so it can be left in the roms.... To those that posted above me please check your facts before posting false info
PS- You can not provide a link to the software since that would be considered WAREZ on this forum... This is a very grey line since some cooks seem to have special rights around here and leave M$VC in the roms they cook and mods say nothing
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its just not M$ voice command its also Cybertron Voice Dialer that comes with shipped roms depending on which provider releases the rom. Most cooks leave M$VC out of roms because its software you have to pay for and some MOD's do not like when you put it in a rom since its illegal technically but CVC is provided for free so it can be left in the roms.... To those that posted above me please check your facts before posting false info
PS- You can not provide a link to the software since that would be considered WAREZ on this forum... This is a very grey line since some cooks seem to have special rights around here and leave M$VC in the roms they cook and mods say nothing
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Was not posting "false info", more like incomplete info..
But thx for adding
There are MSVC, Cyberon VC and Cyberon Voice dial. Among Cyberon VC, there are multiple languages (English, Cantonese, Mandarin .... etc)
Therefore, it's a personal preference what the chief would put in (or simply don't put in). I personally dislike MSVC because it's a resource hog and not as good as Cyberon VC for non-native English user.
Austinsync- I respect that you are a valuable member of the forum. As usual, you gave an excellent response to the OP. I do wonder what facts need to be checked. As AcidCool said, his reply was incomplete but not incorrect. Were you referring to my post? In which case, where did I go wrong?
OP- I checked the Rom threads and it looks like the Death Rom has an icon for MS Voice Command but I am not 100% sure. The HTC Voice Dialer was taken out of the Garmin Rom. Since we don't know what it was that you liked in the Death Rom we are at a loss to try and help you find it. Maybe you can give us some more specific information. As far as I know, the HTC Voice Dialer is not warez. I am sure Austinsync will correct me if I have gone astray.
MSVC is not included in all roms because it has not been released on an "official" rom yet. The new AT&T test roms have it included, and since there are several roms using that build they also have it included. Hopefully soon it will be included in a shipped rom, and then it will be available for download as a cab, and much easier to find.
jackleung said:
There are MSVC, Cyberon VC and Cyberon Voice dial. Among Cyberon VC, there are multiple languages (English, Cantonese, Mandarin .... etc)
Therefore, it's a personal preference what the chief would put in (or simply don't put in). I personally dislike MSVC because it's a resource hog and not as good as Cyberon VC for non-native English user.
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U are indeed right about resource hog part.. deinstalled it saves me about 20% memory.. going to try that cyberon VC memory wise
Hello fellow Chefs..
I know all of you are probably busy, but I hope you'll read this.
For few months I have this idea, which seems I can't do myself (mostly lack of time, as well as resources and knowledge of few things).
Since first time I read about UC, I knew what I wanted to do: a basic, simple ROM version, without *anything* added. Just plain OS, nothing else.
Basically it can be described in one sentence:
Less cooked-in, More by User.
Less is More.
The idea was the same as behind UC - let the USER customize it the way he wants during flashing or after every hard reset.
Call it "cooking without cooking"
I did it, but the time took me to finish it made it old and obsolete build.
I was going to do new one when I received 20748 from Akadonny, based on the same principle, but I realized it'll take me too much time again.
So here is passing the idea to you:
If you have some new good base, beside cooking your usual ROMs, perhaps consider making one small extra "basic" ROM?
You may ask why.
Well, you can see the answer in post of each and every ROM thread. Johnny wants NETCF3.5 cooked-in while 888 dont want it Johnny2 ask for game, Johnny3 asks to remove this, another wants that to be added and so on and on. You get the idea, I think
No one needs exactly the same features as another person.
Sure, continue making your own "custom-featured" ROMs with your selection of custom cooked-in add-ons (ie latest Garmin's ROMs with his own cool icons, or sakajati's cool looking ROM with cooked-in Manilla 2D). Many people have no slightest idea how to even change their wallpaper, so obviously all they want is "ready to go", fully pre-loaded and fully pre-configured ROM.
But also there are people who know how to use UC to its full extent, including loading their own settings XMLs and their own selection of software.
They don't need all those extra nifty perks you guys cook-in in every ROM.
And very often the settings you guys have cooked-in make problems for them. Don't misunderstand me here: it is great for most average people when you cook-in features they can't or don't know how to add. But not everyone needs it. Hence the idea - make an extra version of ROM, *without* all your usual extras, perks, and whistles, don't cook-in anything there, and let the user choose what to add with UC. Yes, I noticed that for some Chefs the art of cooking is some sort of competition - "I add this first, I do that better," and so on... well, making a "basic" ROM can be and is competitive as well! If you need "competing adrenaline" think of it that way: can you "shave" the base as much as other Chef and still have it fully working? Or maybe you can make it even smaller without sacrificing any functionality? (thats just example)
Anyways, I know it is doable.
And I know many people would thank you that
Whats more, cooking just a 'basic' ROM (without anything that can be installed later during UC) and relying on UC afterwards, makes it much better than spending time on setting up everything you would have cooked-in.
Why to do it?
Because once user have all his usual programs "moved" from having them cooked-in onto the Storage Card (and installed from there with UC), as well as all his settings etc in the XMLs on Storage Card, it is oh-so-damn-easy for every one to update their phone to the latest build version without loosing any of their programs, features or settings!
Lets say (this is just for example) that I have sakajati's latest 20749.1.4.0 build on my phone, but Garmin posted today newer 28000.1.5.0 build, so by flashing newest Garmin's ROM no one would loose any of their programs or settings they had on sakajati's ROM because they all would be installed again to Garmin's ROM with UC.
It would also eliminate dilemma users often have, like (again - its just example) "I like icons on Garmin's ROM, stability of sakajati's ROM and the way my GPS works so fast on XyZ's ROM, too bad I can't have all of them in one". Well, it is possible actually, but it takes Chef's to swallow a bit of our pride
Wouldn't it be great?
All it takes is Chefs making "on the side" extra lean/small/basic/whaetever-you-call-it version of their ROM, and accompany them with extended cabs packages rather than cooking it all in (where possible, of course), and the users themselves keeping all their extras (software, settings etc) on their Storage Card ready to be installed again and again every time they flash their phone with new ROM or if they just hard reset it....
I know I would like that, and I'm sure there are more people
Any takers to this idea?
Thank you for reading such long post
BTW
I started to play with something like that based on 3.29 from Akadonny.
If you want to see what I mean, it is in my shared files (\Private folder, "eLMO_3_29_..." ROM)
(NOTE: it is not finished, its work in progress, so it works partially, but I have no time to work on it now so most likely I'll never finish it - because probably again by the time I'll have it ready there will be 100 newer builds 'on the market' and it will be obsolete by then ).
A good idea would be
Edit: PPCKITCHEN NOW HAS KAISER SUPPORT...WOOT!
Old:
I seriously love the PPCKitchen cooking utility...So, if I knew how to sign and stuff, I could code it...so if anyone wants to get in contact with me.
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Hello fellow Chefs..
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natalic said:
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Originally Posted by -888-
Hello fellow Chefs..
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I seriously love the PPCKitchen cooking utility...So, if I knew how to sign and stuff, I could code it...so if anyone wants to get in contact with me.
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Seems like what you quoted is all what you read from my post
I just completed cooking what is essentially the 2nd version of my very first ROM. It all started out of a perceived demand for AT&T's Official 6.1 ROM, but without the ton of crap they put in it.
After I released V1 of my ROM, people seemed to be quite impressed with it, and quite frankly I was shocked, since it was my first attempt. Non-AT&T users then started asking about a version of the ROM without AT&T settings, so for V2 I released an HTC build based on their Official WWE ROM.
Both the AT&T and HTC ROMs are considered out of date by current build numbers, but since they are true Kaiser ROMs, I was able to avoid a lot of the minor issues that tend to show up in ROMs using bases ported from other devices.
In an attempt to appeal to as many people as possible, I produced 6 different versions (3 from AT&T and 3 from HTC) of V2.
The "Base" ROM included the bare-minimum. The only changes made were updating the camera and album, and adding a 10-button Comm Manager.
The "Base+HTC Home" is exactly as above, but with HTC Home added.
The "Loaded" ROM is a build very similar to what I use on my Tilt.
All of the ROMs were also made to be UC-compatible, so that anyone who flashed them could easily install all their apps not included in one of the various builds.
Once V2 goes final, I'm going to figure out the whole "upgrading base versions" thing, and start to experiment with newer builds.
NotATreoFan said:
The "Base" ROM included the bare-minimum. The only changes made were updating the camera and album, and adding a 10-button Comm Manager.
The "Base+HTC Home" is exactly as above, but with HTC Home added.
The "Loaded" ROM is a build very similar to what I use on my Tilt.
All of the ROMs were also made to be UC-compatible, so that anyone who flashed them could easily install all their apps not included in one of the various builds.
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Congratulations on your new ROMs!
I'm sure I will try them when I have some more time, perhaps this weekend.
I remember your previous ROM v1 was very nice (yeah Im a ROM-junkie haha).
but regarding the subject.
I think you misunderstand me.
If I may take the example of your "Base ROM" because that's exactly what I'm talking about (same goes for example to Garmin's "naked" ROM; Garmin if you read it here is my explanation to what we were discussing when I had to leave earlier):
Camera - there are versions 4 & 5 available, and it perfectly works when installed separately, so it doesn't have to be cooked-in in a "base" ROM. Having "your" version already cooked-in actually prevents anyone using this ROM from installing any other Camera version...
Album - same as above. There are few different version of v.1 & v.2, each one of them has different size and slightly different option. Why it has to be cooked-in if it perfectly works when installed with UC?
Comm Manager - again, same as above. Especially this one, where there are more versions of this app than anything else, 3-button, 4-button, 6-button, 8-button, 9-button and 10-button versions available, and some with different "subversions" as well (different look/skins).
Give users of your "base" ROM freedom of choice and let them choose which version they want, DON'T cook those in!
Yes, you should include them in a "regular" more-less featured ROM, by all means they should be there, but IMHO for a "base" or "basic" ROM there should be only a minimum or basics, or the stuff that have to be cooked-in to work.
I started this thread not only because I was going to make it myself, but also because I noticed that so many ROMs I have tried in past few months are almost as bloated as official HTC ROMs, and almost all light/slim/small/naked/base ROMs that I've seen, with very few exceptions, are far from being really lite or small.
No.
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Seems like what you quoted is all what you read from my post
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No. When I quoted the whole text I got issues...Sorry if I missunderstood by the way.
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No. When I quoted the whole text I got issues...Sorry if I missunderstood by the way.
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I've check this PPC Kitchen you wrote about (IMHO its a complete OT here). I dont know how it works and is it any good, but seems like it may be handy for less-knowledgeable people who want to avoid any command-line work but still would like to play own Chef's game Perhaps you should start new thread about it.
Nice idea but...
The reality is that chefs are cooking their roms to some extent for their own preferences, and then to a large extent to what most people want. I find it unlikely that there are many users like you who would prefer to have virtually everything stripped out of a rom. I agree it is nice to have a light rom w/o many programs, but in my experience most of the lite roms, or super lite roms have only some bare minimum program. (dialer, sql, netcf sometimes, office on occasion)
I truly think that users such as yourself need to get into the kitchen as you will never truly satisfied with someone else's work. This is not meant as a dig, but rather that you love to have your rom tweaked out just the way you want it. There will always be a few chefs who release the kinds of stripped down roms you're looking for, but i really doubt you will ever see most chefs releasing that kind of rom simply because it really isn't want most people want. I personally think a better solution is if more of the programs included were uninstallable. That way a user like yourself could remove those programs you do no want, then run your UC and have all your settings and programs just the way you wanted them, but also appeal to those users who want the rom to have at least a few of what they might consider the essentials.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
scotchua said:
The reality is that chefs are cooking their roms to some extent for their own preferences, and then to a large extent to what most people want. I find it unlikely that there are many users like you who would prefer to have virtually everything stripped out of a rom. I agree it is nice to have a light rom w/o many programs, but in my experience most of the lite roms, or super lite roms have only some bare minimum program. (dialer, sql, netcf sometimes, office on occasion)
I truly think that users such as yourself need to get into the kitchen as you will never truly satisfied with someone else's work. This is not meant as a dig, but rather that you love to have your rom tweaked out just the way you want it. There will always be a few chefs who release the kinds of stripped down roms you're looking for, but i really doubt you will ever see most chefs releasing that kind of rom simply because it really isn't want most people want. I personally think a better solution is if more of the programs included were uninstallable. That way a user like yourself could remove those programs you do no want, then run your UC and have all your settings and programs just the way you wanted them, but also appeal to those users who want the rom to have at least a few of what they might consider the essentials.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Ah no scotchua, I *don't* use completely stripped-down ROMs at all, ever
I doubt anyone does.
I load plenty of apps, probably more than most of the average people - I always have almost 500MB of programs on my SD (and none of those are any games!) and even though I install everything as much as I can to SD, I still get 50-70MB of stuff into Main Storage as well.
But all of them are *my* choices, almost all of them I have installed with UC.
Thats the beauty of UC which many Chefs seem to underappreciate.
I'm not against having any additional software, Im just saying that if Chefs would utilize UC more instead of cooking-in the apps that can be perfectly installed with UC, it would give more power to everyone - and make the ROMs more customizable than they are now.
As in the NATF's previous post example, he already denied users of his "Base" ROM their choice of Camera, Comm Manager and Album apps.
Would his "base" ROM be anything worse if those 3 apps wouldn't have been cooked-in but given to users as an option in extended cabs package? It wouldn't, and actually his ROM would have been even more versatile and customizable, because the same apps could be installed with UC by those who don't want anything else, while other versions of those could be installed by those who wanted something else.
I understand what youre saying - I agree it is "Chef's choice what ingredients they put in". But I'm not talking about show-off ROMs like ie sakajati's first kaiser ROM with Manilla2D, I'm talking about *base/small/lite* ROMs.
IMHo its some kind of misconception of what lite ROM is if anyone calls ROM "lite" yet half of *major* programs are already cooked-in.
I personally think a better solution is if more of the programs included were uninstallable. That way a user like yourself could remove those programs you do no want, then run your UC...
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I see here you partially see what Im talking about.
Unfortunately it doesnt work this way.
First, for any program to be uninstallable, it has to be installed from a cab. Therefore the cab have to be cooked-in. That takes space and would make any ROM more bloated than official ROM. take for example just few major apps like NETCF, WMLive, Office - just their cabs would still chomp out some 12-15MB of ROM, even if you would uninstall them, because you can't "uninstall" the cab itself, it will always be there in the ROM taking space. Thats worse than having them cooked-in.
But please follow me one step further.
Since you agree that it is better solution to have such uninstallable, the solution is exactly what Im talking about: anything that don't need to be cooked-in (in order to work properly) should go as a cab to storage card (instead of ROM as you suggested) and be installable/uninstallable from there.
Thats all it takes.
Less cooked-in = More.
With ie Camera app cooked-in you can't install any newer version on top of it.
With Album cooked-in you can't install newer version over it.
With Comm Manager cooked-in you can't install different version over it.
Almost every major program, when cooked-in, cannot be upgraded with newer version (or older if someone prefers it).
D3D drivers are almost released daily. What is the point to cook them in if by the end of the week there probably will be newer version? (and we all know that out of anything else we do want latest drivers always)
Those are just few examples.
Why should we force users to flash entire new ROM if all he wants is different Camera apps (for example)?
Solutions is moving all those programs to xtended cabs on SD and having them installed with UC , which would make them all not only perfectly uninstallable, without taking any space in the ROM when not installed or uninstalled, but they will be also easily upgradeable.
For half a year or more we have this perfect solution to all of it: UC
and almost nobody takes advantage of its great possibilities
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I chopped the other to save space. It's not that i don't understand what you're talking about, and i do conceed i forgot that those cabs have to be stored separately on the rom, and it would be very bloated in that case.
The reality is that the type of rom you are wanting is really not desired by the majority of users here. I think that most chef's just aren't going to want to put out 3 versions of every rom they do. Hopefully one will take your words to heart though, as that would allow you the type of roms you are looking for. I just really don't believe that there are enough users who want those last few items stripped from the rom. i have been using UC since it was first released, and i think it's a wonderful tool. I love lite roms as well, for the reasons you stated. I do; however, realize that i'm more the exception rather than the rule. The majority of users can't even be bothered to look for a program, or figure out where to go to uncheck they proxy lol. I actually prefer to have a few things cooked in, for example sql and netcf. Not because i can't install them myself, but rather because if i don't install them first and separately then i seems to have issues with some of my programs.
I agree that installing programs to the SD card is the way to go. It allows you to never have to enter your settings again for so many programs. Recently it seems that I have been having a lot of issues with the files being corrupted however, which has actually been a source of frustration to me.
Anyway, I guess my point is that I understand what you're getting at, and i can see why it's appealing to you. I just don't think there's enough users who feel that same way to warrent the extra work required for the chefs. It is an interesting idea an maybe some others will come in here and prove that i am wrong for thinking so. This is an excellent discussion point, and your ideas are well thought out articulated. IT should be a useful discussion.
scotchua said:
I chopped the other to save space. It's not that i don't understand what you're talking about, and i do conceed i forgot that those cabs have to be stored separately on the rom, and it would be very bloated in that case.
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I chopped it as well, youre right -no need to repeat it all everytime we reply
Thank you. Im glad we're on the same page
I do understand that such "real lite" ROMs would be for just a fraction of people.
But I think it would change if this idea would spread.
because lets face it - for Chefs there will be absolutely no difference if the same programs that they cook-in would be attached as some extended cabs package to their ROM. Actually it makes cooking the ROM even easier
Its the same programs and features, but instead of having them cooked-in they can come as cabs to be installed with UC.
If Chefs would do this, at first probably there would be many people not understanding it and asking "what the hell is this UC and why do I have to extract second rar to my storage card" and so on. But once they would try it I'm sure even an average non-tekkie user would see the advantages: new Camera app has been ported from some OMNIA II ? No problem - uninstall the one you have and install new one. Don't like it? Uninstall new one and install old one back. Very much like on your standard computer. Thats the main advantage I see in "UC-ing everything".
Because I don't know about everyone else, but I sure have been always pisssed that if I want to change any of the major apps I have to reflash entire ROM!
Hopefully one will take your words to heart though, as that would allow you the type of roms you are looking for.
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Its not for *me*! I use my own ROM since I learned on Alex's kitchen... but yes, I would love to see such lite ROMs from other Chefs since we have some great talents here.
And please remember Im not saying that all ROMs should be made to have everything from UC, but the "lite" ROMs certainly should. No n00bs go for "lite" ROMs, thus it is safe to assume that all the "lite" afficionados here are at least accustomed with UC
Welp, the best solution is to create a base rom as clean as possible, then you pack all the cabs into exe installer file that runs on PC using any pocket pc installer creator. Set options to this installer so user can pick which cabs they want to install.
I might implement this on my future rom release (HyperDragon IV)
Nice idea -888-
for me, Creating ROM, means creating a choice for user,.
But some of the user, would like to use just what was included in the ROM itself,.
so for me, the best solution was making sveral variants,.
-888-,
I do like lite roms the best. Kyphur got me started in my quest to build the lightest, but fully functional rom. But even then there are some that prefer something not so lite. No matter what you do you will never satisfy everyone.
CRCinAU has a ROM for the Hermes which he calls 'Naked', which starts off with a base ROM. But he includes a utility that allows the user to pick which apps/utilities to add to the ROM after the user has the ROM up and running. Maybe that may be a concept to transfer to the Kaiser ROMs. Additionally, any apps/utilities that wouldn't be on this 'list' can still be installed by the user the old fashioned way.
Sorry, just thought I'd bring this up. I'm not a chef, although someday I'd like to learn how to cook up my own!
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CRCinAU has a ROM for the Hermes which he calls 'Naked', which starts off with a base ROM. But he includes a utility that allows the user to pick which apps/utilities to add to the ROM after the user has the ROM up and running. Maybe that may be a concept to transfer to the Kaiser ROMs. Additionally, any apps/utilities that wouldn't be on this 'list' can still be installed by the user the old fashioned way.
Sorry, just thought I'd bring this up. I'm not a chef, although someday I'd like to learn how to cook up my own!
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Hermes have extended ROM, and it will be very easy to popping up the choice for user to install, with mortscript,.
but not kaiser, kaiser dont have that, so the only way of UC, was putting .cab inside storage card
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Hermes have extended ROM, and it will be very easy to popping up the choice for user to install, with mortscript,.
but not kaiser, kaiser dont have that, so the only way of UC, was putting .cab inside storage card
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what do you mean the kaiser doesnt have mortscript?
also, i think that tier autoinstall fits this category perfectly
I'm just layman user like most users here,and I think i very much agree with Scot. You see,if user like us were left to our own choice of how to install and make certain must-have apps (for us), like office mobile, windows live, etc, it will give the chef lots of headaches in replying "i try to install it but it wont work, you must help me... bla... bla... bla",since we don't even care that we have to install netcf first. Not to mention that installation of netcf itself is not as problem-free as most layman will think.
So most of the times i saw our chefs have to cooked some apps in to ensure it works so he will only be bothered by questions about more unspecific apps like beejive,arabizer,tomtom,igo,etc. It'd save him from standard apps question.
Although i must admit that your idea is very great,and very appealing to most advanced users. But maybe if chef should release this kind of ROM,it must be in separated dedicated thread with big bold warning letters:
"Please DO NOT TRY to flash this version of ROM if you don't even know how to customize things on your own. Any questions arised from ignorance will not ever be replied!!".
But from my observation here,even when warned harshly, there will always be ignorant people to give you nightmares, LOL =D
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what do you mean the kaiser doesnt have mortscript?
also, i think that tier autoinstall fits this category perfectly
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No sir, i mean kaiser dont have extended ROM,.
Base/Clean ROM would be great
I've been here 'lurking' for a while and have been trying to find time to start cooking ROMs , but I must agree w/ 888 that sharing clean/base ROMs would be a great idea.
Personally I've moved from UC to Sashimi to configure my builds post flash as I find its much more robust than UC. The only potential downside to Sashimi vs UC is you have to invoke it post refresh whereas UC is loaded automatically for the ROMs where it is enabled.
However I rather enjoy the flexibility to see what the 'naked' rom can do before I add my apps and configs to it.
The chefs here are WAY beyond helpful, but I think it would be a great thing to have the bare bones type of rom that those w/o time to be chefs can still uninstall/install their favorite and or latest/greatest versions of the updated apps that seem to come out frequently.
Also by not cooking things in they can be upgraded when a potential improved version is available.
I'm still searching for the ultimate ROM, but that may be a long search. Each ROM I've seen and or installed has had its benefits and 'challenges'.
Just my twenty or so cents.
I am a complete noob to kitchen and cooking. I have seen quite a few WM 6.5 based kitchens and roms available on this forum. The ones that have caught are eye include
TPC and Joshkoss Collaborative 6.1 and 6.5 Kitchens for Noobs
TPCElite series V9 wm6.5 23009
erviuskitchen
bepe kitchen
osKitchen Kaiser (fe~ROM kitchen)
PPC kitchen (seen elsewhere via google)
I wanted to understand what is the best kitchen to start with? Do they all offer the same functionality? Could I for example start with any of these kitchens and end with a rom like TPC Elite?
Thanks for your help
Neil
There is one basic difference - type of using it.
From commandline (eg adding packages by hand)
With GUI (you click what you want to have there)
If I take it by order:
TPC and Joshkoss Collaborative 6.1 and 6.5 Kitchens for Noobs - commandline only, copying and such is done by hand
TPCElite series V9 wm6.5 23009 - it is ROM, not kitchen!
erviuskitchen - visual, has a hell lot of options
bepe kitchen - I don't know this one
osKitchen Kaiser (fe~ROM kitchen) - Easy to use with GUI
PPC kitchen (seen elsewhere via google) - I don't know this one too
You should try all of them and stick with one you like the most or write your own in the end.
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I am a complete noob to kitchen and cooking. I have seen quite a few WM 6.5 based kitchens and roms available on this forum. The ones that have caught are eye include
TPC and Joshkoss Collaborative 6.1 and 6.5 Kitchens for Noobs
TPCElite series V9 wm6.5 23009
erviuskitchen
bepe kitchen
osKitchen Kaiser (fe~ROM kitchen)
PPC kitchen (seen elsewhere via google)
I wanted to understand what is the best kitchen to start with? Do they all offer the same functionality? Could I for example start with any of these kitchens and end with a rom like TPC Elite?
Thanks for your help
Neil
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bepe's kitchen is the best, all the others suck and the builders should be run off the forum.
Is that what you want to hear ? Think about what you are asking before starting a new thread asking people hold a " Miss XDA-Kitchen " pageant.
If you are too lazy to read all about cooking and what you need to do it and what kitchen includes what. And who's kitchen will best suit your needs, then you are not ready to cook.
You will probably just brick your phone from not doing enough research, and be back here asking for help on how to unbrick your phone.
The wiki has a section on cooking as do all of the kitchens you mentioned.
I will leave you with a hint:
If you want your rom to turn out exactly like TPC's Elite series, guess whose kitchen you should use.
Harsh but to the point, way..way..too many new thread starts lately in the development forum . " Help me " " which is the best " " point me to where to find this " We should just have a general " my time is way more important than yours is/was so I don't what to search, I don't want to read , I don't want to learn, I want you to put it on a plate for me " section. The Mods can cut down the name of the new section if they want to
@ OndraSter
Thanks. I started with downloading ppc kitchen (http://ppckitchen.org/). Although extremely impressive with live updates feature for ingredients, the last kaiser rom in this kitchen is still 6.1.
I am now downloading your kitchen to give it a go. Its impressive all the tweaks you have added to it.
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bepe's kitchen is the best, all the others suck and the builders should be run off the forum.
Is that what you want to hear ? Think about what you are asking before starting a new thread asking people hold a " Miss XDA-Kitchen " pageant.
If you are too lazy to read all about cooking and what you need to do it and what kitchen includes what. And who's kitchen will best suit your needs, then you are not ready to cook.
You will probably just brick your phone from not doing enough research, and be back here asking for help on how to unbrick your phone.
The wiki has a section on cooking as do all of the kitchens you mentioned.
I will leave you with a hint:
If you want your rom to turn out exactly like TPC's Elite series, guess whose kitchen you should use.
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Good job i have no stitches to break
Always guranteed a laugh from denco7
denco7 said:
bepe's kitchen is the best, all the others suck and the builders should be run off the forum.
Is that what you want to hear ? Think about what you are asking before starting a new thread asking people hold a " Miss XDA-Kitchen " pageant.
If you are too lazy to read all about cooking and what you need to do it and what kitchen includes what. And who's kitchen will best suit your needs, then you are not ready to cook.
You will probably just brick your phone from not doing enough research, and be back here asking for help on how to unbrick your phone.
The wiki has a section on cooking as do all of the kitchens you mentioned.
I will leave you with a hint:
If you want your rom to turn out exactly like TPC's Elite series, guess whose kitchen you should use.
Harsh but to the point, way..way..too many new thread starts lately in the development forum . " Help me " " which is the best " " point me to where to find this " We should just have a general " my time is way more important than yours is/was so I don't what to search, I don't want to read , I don't want to learn, I want you to put it on a plate for me " section. The Mods can cut down the name of the new section if they want to
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Good job i have no stitches to break
Always guranteed a laugh from denco7
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ily guys THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BEST KITCHEN, your best bet is find a kitchen for newbs. and know that "whats the best" threads are forbidden(not allowed) on this site best I remember as well. correct me if im wrong guys.
Bepes is the best though. Easiest for everything. XIP porting is cake everything about it is "easy"
Ok so i have stirred up some controversy. Perhaps I should have asked what the easiest kitchen is for first timers rather than the best.
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Ok so i have stirred up some controversy. Perhaps I should have asked what the easiest kitchen is for first timers rather than the best.
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Better question
They all have their +++++ , I started out with Alex's kitchen. bepe's is easy.
As I said , if you like TPC's rom, use TPC'/Josh's kitchen. Shane and Josh are the best when it comes to helping people with a genuine " amor " of rom cooking.
neilverma said:
I am a complete noob to kitchen and cooking. I have seen quite a few WM 6.5 based kitchens and roms available on this forum. The ones that have caught are eye include
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Some questions,
did your device as Hardspl ?
did you've already flashed your device with an oficial ROM ?
did you've already flashed a cooked rom ?
Seems that you want to jump all the steps an go to the cooking process, please read, read, read, understand first the ROm structure and after that how a kitchen works and whats the impact of the diferent parts in the rom
Without that will be very dificul to made one flashable ROM, and a brick might be an easy step
It's all personal preference. I started with JK & TPC, and then hopped to Ervius!
But I had been cooking before I started cooking for Kaiser, so I had some experience.
Ondra's looks real simple, and has GUI in it. So it might be the place where I would start and learn, and then explore more options once you get the jist of it!