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Hey guys,
I am looking into getting the Sony Xperia Z3. I just have one quick question.
A while back I purchased the Xperia Z (C6602) from sony directly and I used it on tmobiles network. After purchasing the phone I found out that tmobile sold the (C6603). These phones are similar, however they do have different specs.
My main question is, is there any difference between the Xperia Z3 that tmobile is selling compared to the Xperia Z3 that is sold directly by sony? (other than the available colors)
Thank you for your help!!!
jroberts1030 said:
Hey guys,
I am looking into getting the Sony Xperia Z3. I just have one quick question.
A while back I purchased the Xperia Z (C6602) from sony directly and I used it on tmobiles network. After purchasing the phone I found out that tmobile sold the (C6603). These phones are similar, however they do have different specs.
My main question is, is there any difference between the Xperia Z3 that tmobile is selling compared to the Xperia Z3 that is sold directly by sony? (other than the available colors)
Thank you for your help!!!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/help/t-mobile-z3-unlocked-z3-t2872122
Two things primarily: The T-Mobile model has 32 GB of RAM vs. 16 GB and its bootloader is locked.
Mashuri said:
Two things primarily: The T-Mobile model has 32 GB of RAM vs. 16 GB and its bootloader is locked.
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Also the T-Mobile one has LTE Band 12 which no other model has.
You mean 32gb storage, it has 3gb of ram
Tmobile version has band 12 and wifi calling.
And the T-Mobile is only in black and carrier branding...no thanks!
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Reason I would reccomend, TMO version is the 14 day replacement/exchange period. I went through 3 and on 4th and possibly final one. If you buy from Sony directly you will be stuck without a device for weeks if you send it in due to defects only to probably get a refurbished one.
The TMO emblem is pretty conspicuous unlike Verizon so that should not be an issue.
jroberts1030 said:
Hey guys,
I am looking into getting the Sony Xperia Z3. I just have one quick question.
A while back I purchased the Xperia Z (C6602) from sony directly and I used it on tmobiles network. After purchasing the phone I found out that tmobile sold the (C6603). These phones are similar, however they do have different specs.
My main question is, is there any difference between the Xperia Z3 that tmobile is selling compared to the Xperia Z3 that is sold directly by sony? (other than the available colors)
Thank you for your help!!!
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Try this thread, I have also replied there. There are some differences...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/help/international-d6603-vs-t-mobile-d6616-t2915894
abhinav.tella said:
Reason I would reccomend, TMO version is the 14 day replacement/exchange period. I went through 3 and on 4th and possibly final one. If you buy from Sony directly you will be stuck without a device for weeks if you send it in due to defects only to probably get a refurbished one.
The TMO emblem is pretty conspicuous unlike Verizon so that should not be an issue.
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I think you mean to say "inconspicuous" . Anyways I agree, looking at it, it's also a much lighter shade of gray/white than the Xperia or Sony logo, so it actually blends in quite well. There's also no T-Mobile branding on the front, which is really nice.
Hardware differences:
32GB Storage
T-Mobile Branding on back
Band 12
Software:
Bloat: http://imgur.com/oXLCzjj
Bloat not removed: wifi hotspot needs hotspot on plan, Device Unlock
Bloat that needs PM BLOCK: CarrierIQ
No bootloader unlock
I believe only the T-Mobile version has wifi calling.
You can opt out of Carrier IQ, the bloat is not so bad actually fewer than most carriers and they can all be disabled. For the extra 16GB its worth it. Only thing for you to care about is the boot-loader unlock. WiFi calling is also a plus.
I'm contemplating a Z3 this month (Price drop when the Z3+/Z4 is released.) I'm seeing multiple model numbers for the Z3 & I need to know which one is best. I'd prefer one that's root-able and LTE enabled. Root should be easy with an international phone with the unlockable bootloaders. Is there a 32 MB variant?
Also do these models overheat and shut down the camera sensor like it did on the Z2 (I had it)? Currently using a Note 4 but I need a water proof phone for vacation coming next month!
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I'm contemplating a Z3 this month (Price drop when the Z3+/Z4 is released.) I'm seeing multiple model numbers for the Z3 & I need to know which one is best. I'd prefer one that's root-able and LTE enabled. Root should be easy with an international phone with the unlockable bootloaders. Is there a 32 MB variant?
Also do these models overheat and shut down the camera sensor like it did on the Z2 (I had it)? Currently using a Note 4 but I need a water proof phone for vacation coming next month!
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About model number there is a thread here on xda as for all rest, just short info: bootloader you need to unlock only...only if you want custom kernel, 32 GB is only T Mobile version as I read...it does overheat while recording 4K video (depending on environment temperature it can go from under 5 min, to unlimited on north pole LOL)...
nedooo said:
About model number there is a thread here on xda as for all rest, just short info: bootloader you need to unlock only...only if you want custom kernel, 32 GB is only T Mobile version as I read...it does overheat while recording 4K video (depending on environment temperature it can go from under 5 min, to unlimited on north pole LOL)...
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Does the T-Mobile variant have locked boot loaders? D6603 is the international 16GB model and I think the TMo is D6616... I'll have to find that thread somewhere...
ZPaul2Fresh8 said:
Does the T-Mobile variant have locked boot loaders? D6603 is the international 16GB model and I think the TMo is D6616... I'll have to find that thread somewhere...
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6603 is international version...most common but mine bootloader can not be unlocked (says that in secret menu)...
I have the D6616 and love it but it only has 3 LTE bands and I believe most of them are the same as AT&T except it is missing one LTE band for AT&T, so for compatability sake get the international version D6603 and yes it's boot loader unlock able if you get unbranded version.
D6603 has only 16GB but better AT&T network compatability along with unlockable bootloader vs the D6616 whose only advantage is 32GB storage.
ZPaul2Fresh8 said:
I'm contemplating a Z3 this month (Price drop when the Z3+/Z4 is released.) I'm seeing multiple model numbers for the Z3 & I need to know which one is best. I'd prefer one that's root-able and LTE enabled. Root should be easy with an international phone with the unlockable bootloaders. Is there a 32 MB variant?
Also do these models overheat and shut down the camera sensor like it did on the Z2 (I had it)? Currently using a Note 4 but I need a water proof phone for vacation coming next month!
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D6603 direct from Sony's store has an unlockable bootloader.
http://store.sony.com/xperia-z3-lte...catid-Android-Smartphone?vva_ColorCode=FFFFFF
I can confirm that this device works GREAT on AT&T - it's been my daily driver since November
Entropy512 said:
D6603 direct from Sony's store has an unlockable bootloader.
http://store.sony.com/xperia-z3-lte...catid-Android-Smartphone?vva_ColorCode=FFFFFF
I can confirm that this device works GREAT on AT&T - it's been my daily driver since November
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Thank you, after reading the loss of some features after unlocking the bootloader I wonder if I should just root it with the bootloader locked?
Entropy, I'll trade you my ATT Note 4 for your D6603 ?
Hi guys. I'm planning on buying an sch-i535 which I know is a US Verizon exclusive phone. my question is, can I use it with GSM (SIM) generic European bands?
and does CyanogenMod support it on GSM. are there any restrictions of using it on GSM, like being able to only use 2G mobile data. or can I tune it to be just like a normal S3. I like this model only because it has 2GB of RAM. And I'm trying to mainly use it with CM12.1 as I hate Samsung's stock ROM.
Please guys reply quickly as I'm talking to the seller now and I want to confirm. thank you
karim-ps said:
Hi guys. I'm planning on buying an sch-i535 which I know is a US Verizon exclusive phone. my question is, can I use it with GSM (SIM) generic European bands?
and does CyanogenMod support it on GSM. are there any restrictions of using it on GSM, like being able to only use 2G mobile data. or can I tune it to be just like a normal S3. I like this model only because it has 2GB of RAM. And I'm trying to mainly use it with CM12.1 as I hate Samsung's stock ROM.
Please guys reply quickly as I'm talking to the seller now and I want to confirm. thank you
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A few things to consider before buying this variant would be if the bootloader is indeed unlocked. If not you will not be able to run CM on a locked bootloader.
I've used my old S3 on a GSM carrier here in the states with no issues however it needed a CDMA sim card to work properly. I know you can choose which network you want to use and there may even be an option for a specific type of mobile data used, sorry I haven't been on the stock rom verizon uses in quite a long time. Personally I would look for an unlocked phone. This may be SIM unlocked via the factory but I've seen a lot of people use it internationally and have tons of issues with it
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Yes. there seem to be tons of issues with this model, I already have an I9300 and an Xperia Z2 which is an astonishing phone, I only like Samsung because of the strong developers contribution and development support in general as I'm a super used, besides, I like the small form factor of the S3 and it's pocket-friendly size and weight. I'm not gonna consider this i535 due to all the hassle it's gonna leave me with . Thank you very much, I'll try to look for an I9305 or even an S4
karim-ps said:
Yes. there seem to be tons of issues with this model, I already have an I9300 and an Xperia Z2 which is an astonishing phone, I only like Samsung because of the strong developers contribution and development support in general as I'm a super used, besides, I like the small form factor of the S3 and it's pocket-friendly size and weight. I'm not gonna consider this i535 due to all the hassle it's gonna leave me with . Thank you very much, I'll try to look for an I9305 or even an S4
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I'n my opinion it's a better option to stay away from this variant
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Hey all,
So Handtec just released what version they will be getting and its the E6603, seems to have all the bands necessary for AT&T. There is also a E6653 available from Clove, I looked at the developer thing from sony, there seems to be no difference in the bands. So what is the difference in model number.
With that said... I have been rocking an iPhone 6 Plus the last year. This is my first iPhone and while it is nice. I have been itching to get back to Android. I got an invite to buy a Oneplus 2 and bought it, now I'm regretting it. The sony seems like the device to get, I rocked the z3 for about a month when it came out. I have thought of using the Oneplus for a month until the Z5 comes out, but not sure... Thoughts?
only difference as far as the whitepaper goes is that the e6603 supports cat4 LTE, and the e6653 supports cat6
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Do we know which one will have an unlockable bootloader? Or is it too early to know?
Uclydde said:
Do we know which one will have an unlockable bootloader? Or is it too early to know?
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none of these seem destined to head to T-Mobile as a specific variant, so both can probably be unlocked, as per usual.
Ordered E6653 today, will be here next week.
HELP???
I live in the usa,and ordered the e6603 from handtec. Should I get the cat 6 capable e6653 from clove instead? Also I can't seem to find that model on clove.
mas5acre said:
I live in the usa,and ordered the e6603 from handtec. Should I get the cat 6 capable e6653 from clove instead? Also I can't seem to find that model on clove.
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Really a personal choice. If the only difference is cat 4 or cat 6 LTE it doesn't really matter. I ordered E6653 because its available now from a seller I have dealt with on numerous occasions in Taipei.
I assume this topic also goes for the compact models as the white paper shows the same differences. Still torn between z5 and compact but was considering doing it now from probably the same eBay seller. I'm in the USA anything I need to worry about ordering one of those phone such as it being stuck on another language or being locked (if they claim its unlocked which I do believe it is)
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I use eBay seller 23port. I have purchased a few phones from them and never had an issue. Always brand new unlocked devices. Shipped today, arriving Wednesday.
Are we able to use the cat6 lte on cat4 network? At&t still doesn't have a lot of cat6 lte band. If I buy E6653, will I be able to use the LTE for AT&T?
bcbulz said:
Are we able to use the cat6 lte on cat4 network? At&t still doesn't have a lot of cat6 lte band. If I buy E6653, will I be able to use the LTE for AT&T?
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Not sure but I'll let you know Wednesday
augie7107 said:
Not sure but I'll let you know Wednesday
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Thank you!!
Is anyone aware of any online retailers that sell the E6653 variant? I can't seem to find any expect bizrus oline which doesn't ship to the US apparent or at least I can't find that option.
For anyone who wanted to know, a reddit user confirmed that the E6653 model is bootloader unlockable.
Any way you could post the link? I've been searching for confirmation on this for days
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Thank you!!
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Device actually arrived yesterday, not bad for shipping from Taiwan on Friday. Anyway, took it out last night and this morning but not getting LTE on AT&T. LTE Discovery app shows band 17 available but the device is not connecting to it. Network setting is 4G preferred. Must have something to do with cat 6 vs cat 4. I am in a fairly rural area in New England. Anyone else get an E6653 on AT&T in a major metropolitan area that can chime in?
Hi guys,
I want to get the HK version of this phone (because general consensus seems to be the Snapdragon is better than Samsung's processor that comes in all the EU models) and I want to have a solid idea of what potential ramifications there are from doing this.
From what I gather, the HK model is SM-S9080.
I'm pretty clear on the ramifications from the actual importing of the device, such as loss of Samsung's warranty and things like that. What I'm struggling with is the technical aspects of it.
I've done some Google-fu to the best of my ability, but I must admit I'm a little overwhelmed by all the technical jargon, numbers, codes, etc that seem to be involved. Hopefully you can help me understand better...
I know that both Samsung Pay and Samsung Member Benefits will not work in the UK, however this does not bother me as I have no intentions of using those anyway.
The network provider I use in the UK is EE and, from what I can tell, the HK model supports all the necessary bands including 5G (source here: https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/GB/samsung-galaxy-s22-ultra ). However, I have heard that 5G could be arbitrarily deactivated in the UK by the software or hardware in the phone or something like that due to the model differences. Is this true?
Will there be any weird branding issues that can't be easily removed? By this I mean is it going to have weird chinese branding that can't be removed without flashing/rooting/etc (I'd personally prefer not to do any of that stuff). Could I just change the language to English and have it be visually indistinguishable from a 'native' UK model?
Will Google Play be affected? I don't know if there are any china-related politics that would impact my ability to use Google's services. Sorry if that is a stupid question.
What is a CsC and will it matter regarding the function of the phone? I've seen this term being used a lot while googling but I have no idea what it means or how exactly it affects the use of the phone.
How would updates work? Would there be any issues on that front?
Is there anything else I need to consider from a technical point of view that I have missed?
Hopefully these aren't stupid questions. Thank you in advance.
arstulex said:
Hi guys,
I want to get the HK version of this phone (because general consensus seems to be the Snapdragon is better than Samsung's processor that comes in all the EU models) and I want to have a solid idea of what potential ramifications there are from doing this.
From what I gather, the HK model is SM-S9080.
I'm pretty clear on the ramifications from the actual importing of the device, such as loss of Samsung's warranty and things like that. What I'm struggling with is the technical aspects of it.
I've done some Google-fu to the best of my ability, but I must admit I'm a little overwhelmed by all the technical jargon, numbers, codes, etc that seem to be involved. Hopefully you can help me understand better...
I know that both Samsung Pay and Samsung Member Benefits will not work in the UK, however this does not bother me as I have no intentions of using those anyway.
The network provider I use in the UK is EE and, from what I can tell, the HK model supports all the necessary bands including 5G (source here: https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/GB/samsung-galaxy-s22-ultra ). However, I have heard that 5G could be arbitrarily deactivated in the UK by the software or hardware in the phone or something like that due to the model differences. Is this true?
Will there be any weird branding issues that can't be easily removed? By this I mean is it going to have weird chinese branding that can't be removed without flashing/rooting/etc (I'd personally prefer not to do any of that stuff). Could I just change the language to English and have it be visually indistinguishable from a 'native' UK model?
Will Google Play be affected? I don't know if there are any china-related politics that would impact my ability to use Google's services. Sorry if that is a stupid question.
What is a CsC and will it matter regarding the function of the phone? I've seen this term being used a lot while googling but I have no idea what it means or how exactly it affects the use of the phone.
How would updates work? Would there be any issues on that front?
Is there anything else I need to consider from a technical point of view that I have missed?
Hopefully these aren't stupid questions. Thank you in advance.
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the csc is the carrier aspect of the phone , ie what bands of each type of network connections are used,and country specific bloatware , the csc is also what carrires the software restrictions based on the laws of the country it is coded for. you would get hongkong specific updates with a csc from that region as far as i can sumise, you may even need to use a hongkong routed vpn to receive them, but again thats a guess
Hi, I've got a 12GB/512GB S9080 on the TGY CSC here in the UK. I'm on O2UK but my 5G works fine. I have no weird carrier branding and I don't get any Chinese characters anywhere. I use Google Pay just fine (never used Samsung Pay on any of my devices)
No issues on updates, in fact I got the latest May update on the 28th of April.
I got this phone through techinthebasket and paid over £300 less than the equivalent Exynos version direct from Samsung.
If you have any questions regarding the device just ask
p.dixon0 said:
Hi, I've got a 12GB/512GB S9080 on the TGY CSC here in the UK. I'm on O2UK but my 5G works fine. I have no weird carrier branding and I don't get any Chinese characters anywhere. I use Google Pay just fine (never used Samsung Pay on any of my devices)
No issues on updates, in fact I got the latest May update on the 28th of April.
I got this phone through techinthebasket and paid over £300 less than the equivalent Exynos version direct from Samsung.
If you have any questions regarding the device just ask
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This is exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks mate.
Funnily enough that's the website I was looking at getting mine from too. I did email them to ask where they source their models from because I've read elsewhere that TGY is ideal for UK use but they haven't got back to me yet (weekend of course). Glad to hear they are selling TGY.
Only question I have would be about techinthebasket themselves. Roughly how long did it take to arrive and did it arrive sealed?
Hi mate, yeah I've used techinthebasket a few times now (I've bought a Note8 and a Surface Pro 4 from them previously) and it does take a little while for the items to arrive, even paying for expedited it still took 5 working days. All items were factory sealed too.
If it helps, I traded the Note8 for the Note9 directly to Samsung when the Note9 came out and I got the full £400 at the time. The SP4 developed the prolific screen shake fault after about a year and Microsoft replaced it free of charge.
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All items were factory sealed too.
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Is this possible? I thought Samsung region-locks their phones until a call is made with a SIM from the 'home' region.
Don't these importers have to open up the box to do this so that you can actually use a UK SIM in it when it gets to you?
p.dixon0 said:
Hi, I've got a 12GB/512GB S9080 on the TGY CSC here in the UK. I'm on O2UK but my 5G works fine. I have no weird carrier branding and I don't get any Chinese characters anywhere. I use Google Pay just fine (never used Samsung Pay on any of my devices)
No issues on updates, in fact I got the latest May update on the 28th of April.
I got this phone through techinthebasket and paid over £300 less than the equivalent Exynos version direct from Samsung.
If you have any questions regarding the device just ask
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You're my savior. Thank you a lot!
Buying it today
arstulex said:
Is this possible? I thought Samsung region-locks their phones until a call is made with a SIM from the 'home' region.
Don't these importers have to open up the box to do this so that you can actually use a UK SIM in it when it gets to you?
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I'm not sure to be totally honest. Both my Note8 and S22U came sealed with what looked like the same seals my Note9 came with directly from Samsung. Maybe techinthebasket open and reseal? Whatever they do or don't do the phone works as expected and didn't show any signs of being opened.
When I first started both phones (without a SIM) they were both in Chinese. When I put my UK SIM in they behave as expected.
The good thing with techinthebasket is that you can only pay with PayPal - as such, if you have any issues you're covered.
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I'm not sure to be totally honest. Both my Note8 and S22U came sealed with what looked like the same seals my Note9 came with directly from Samsung. Maybe techinthebasket open and reseal? Whatever they do or don't do the phone works as expected and didn't show any signs of being opened.
When I first started both phones (without a SIM) they were both in Chinese. When I put my UK SIM in they behave as expected.
The good thing with techinthebasket is that you can only pay with PayPal - as such, if you have any issues you're covered.
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They gotta do what they gotta do, and if that means I get a Snapdragon phone for significantly less than a local Exynos then who am I to complain? Lol.
I just didn't know if they had found some way to circumvent region-locking without opening the box.
Exactly, as I say it's over £300 less for what is technically a better device
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Exactly, as I say it's over £300 less for what is technically a better device
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Too bad that they deliver only in France,UK, Germany and not the rest of Europe...I would instantly sell my S22 Ultra if I have the occasion to buy a Snap S22 Ultra. Also, a big minus: you can't use eSIM which it's a really nice feature.
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Too bad that they deliver only in France,UK, Germany and not the rest of Europe...I would instantly sell my S22 Ultra if I have the occasion to buy a Snap S22 Ultra. Also, a big minus: you can't use eSIM which it's a really nice feature.
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There are plenty of websites out there that deal in grey imports. Unless I'm missing something there are probably sites that do deliver to your country.
I don't know if I'd call lack of eSIM a big minus though. Once I put my SIM card in a phone I pretty much just forget it exists until I buy a new phone. Do people really swap out their SIMs that often that an eSIM really matters?
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There are plenty of websites out there that deal in grey imports. Unless I'm missing something there are probably sites that do deliver to your country.
I don't know if I'd call lack of eSIM a big minus though. Once I put my SIM card in a phone I pretty much just forget it exists until I buy a new phone. Do people really swap out their SIMs that often that an eSIM really matters?
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If you're travelling in a country that doesn't support Roaming, then yeah, it's a good feature
The S9080 is dual SIM so you can still use a local SIM as well if you're traveling...
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The S9080 is dual SIM so you can still use a local SIM as well if you're traveling...
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It's easy to say this, but I do prefer esims since I can purchase them online and I don't need to lose time in stores to purchase it.
I'm sure a saving of over £300 would offset the minor inconvenience. Personally, I have a tariff that gives me free roaming in Europe and the USA amongst others so it's a non-issue for me
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Hi, I've got a 12GB/512GB S9080 on the TGY CSC here in the UK. I'm on O2UK but my 5G works fine. I have no weird carrier branding and I don't get any Chinese characters anywhere. I use Google Pay just fine (never used Samsung Pay on any of my devices)
No issues on updates, in fact I got the latest May update on the 28th of April.
I got this phone through techinthebasket and paid over £300 less than the equivalent Exynos version direct from Samsung.
If you have any questions regarding the device just ask
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First time reading 5G working on the SM-9080 outside of Hong Kong. What speeds are you registering?
p.dixon0 said:
I'm sure a saving of over £300 would offset the minor inconvenience. Personally, I have a tariff that gives me free roaming in Europe and the USA amongst others so it's a non-issue for me
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Yeah, I would save, but I would also throw money since no warranty it's provided to me
Also Widevine L3, so yeah, a big trade-in for some of us...I'll wait for the Honor Magic 4 Pro and get that device since it's superior.
About the same download speed as 4G+ for me, the upload speed is double though.
As a side note. This it's on O2UK in the North East of England in my house, where O2UK say there is poor 5G coverage.
robi101012981 said:
Yeah, I would save, but I would also throw money since no warranty it's provided to me
Also Widevine L3, so yeah, a big trade-in for some of us...I'll wait for the Honor Magic 4 Pro and get that device since it's superior.
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There's a year warranty provided by techinthebasket.
All my streaming services work as expected so not bothered about Widevine.
I'll continue to enjoy my phone while you think of another put down and wait for your superior device.