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[Q] HTC one X for $230 a good deal from newegg?

Newegg has the HTC ONE X for $230.
is that even worth buying at this point?
heres the link
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875502142
Thanks in advance!
ill give thanks to all relevant answers!

I still think this phone is fantastic. It could use a little more RAM perhaps but in everyday situations I can't fault it.
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Agree w/ Tim here, but for that price you can go to swappa and get a nice Nexus 4. Same screen res, camera (even though ours is better), and screen size. Also, the n4 is a little more future proof w/ 2 gigs of ram and a s4pro chipset.

4ty-phive said:
but for that price you can go to swappa and get a nice Nexus 4. Same screen res, camera (even though ours is better), and screen size. Also, the n4 is a little more future proof w/ 2 gigs of ram and a s4pro chipset.
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Sounds like you are comparing specs and not actual quality. Just because the screens have equal resolution, does not by any measure mean they will have the same image quality. HTC displays blow away LG any day. One X had the best display on any smartphone in its time, and probably only surpassed by the display on the One. In general, LG hardware is consistantly underwhelming. Folks comparing the One X to even the Nexus 5 have mentioned the One X has slightly better display, camera, and speaker; and that the N5 is only an upgrade in terms of the processor and RAM.
That said, whether the deal mentioned by the OP is a "good" one or not is completely subjective. Depends on your personal situation and expectations. If you are on a budget and not eligible for any type of carrier subsidy, the One X is still a decent phone for that price. On the other hand, in a few months it will be 2 years old (a long time in the smartphone world) and HTC (as well as Samsung) will likely be releasing their new flagship, 2 generations newer than the One X. Personally, I don't usually buy tech that is even 1 generation old, much less 2. But again, it depends on how much you are willing to spend on a device, and what you expect out of it.

Well, wouldn't your use of "quality" is also subjective? I mean I'm pretty sure there are people out there that would say the n4, sg3, or some other high-end device (at the time) has better "quality" than our phone. So, yes I did refer to specs because it's not subjective. The OP will have to consider the "quality" factor that you mentioned. However, the OP will also have to consider updates that may or may not come to the phone. HTC has already proven that our phone is not a priority any longer. So we have to depend on the community for said updates. Google, on the other hand, will still continue to update the n4 couple more iterations (I'm assuming here), hence why I used "future proof". Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the "quality" of this phone. It's why I purchased it a little over a year ago.

Yeah, I've been looking for a reason to warrant spending the hundreds to upgrade this phone, but its proven fruitless .
With that given, I wouldn't buy it new now for $240. You can get the LG Optimus G 970's for less than that and they're quad core, with 2gb of ram and have expansion port.

its a gr8 phone if u can manage with stock android 4.2 sense 5 wch is really good...... thr is plenty of dev support for kitkat n ahead bt u cannot rely on future... for me its still better option than moto g r nexus 4 purely for its quality...

4ty-phive said:
Well, wouldn't your use of "quality" is also subjective? I mean I'm pretty sure there are people out there that would say the n4, sg3, or some other high-end device (at the time) has better "quality" than our phone. So, yes I did refer to specs because it's not subjective. The OP will have to consider the "quality" factor that you mentioned. However, the OP will also have to consider updates that may or may not come to the phone. HTC has already proven that our phone is not a priority any longer. So we have to depend on the community for said updates. Google, on the other hand, will still continue to update the n4 couple more iterations (I'm assuming here), hence why I used "future proof". Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the "quality" of this phone. It's why I purchased it a little over a year ago.
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Is quality subjective? To some extent yes. But you can read in review after review that HTC's displays are superior to just about any in the industry. Some might find the over saturated colors on the Samsung OLED screens to be more to their liking. But LG displays, I don't think you will find too many folks that think they are better than HTC.
Its just a peeve of mine when consumers fall for the marketing gimmick of touting nearly meaningless specs/stats. MPs on a camera and resolution on a screen do not in any way guarantee that the actual image quality is good. Things often sound great on paper, and less so in real life. And while the quality is somewhat not quantifiable, it is also not always completely subjective.

OK. To the OP, I apologize for getting off track. I will answer your question directly: no, I don't think spending $230 on this phone is a good idea. I wouldn't pay more than $160 brand new. There are better alternatives out there for the money. You should consider your what you want out of your perspective device and consider your options.

Opinion: Samsung’s Galaxy Note is the iPhone of the Android world

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)

sohebq said:
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
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Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.

^^
Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
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sohebq said:
^^
Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
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Former S user using Note 3 and more then happy, next phone will be a Note series, S series no more thanks.

xclub_101 said:
Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.
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What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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dakunclear said:
What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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A lot of that is not a matter of "being faithful to the brand" but instead a combination of a very minor part of that plus:
- no alternative to S-Pen
- no alternative phablets with microSD + replaceable battery + enough mass to have both a decent accessory market and a decent ROM prospect in the future (if you think that Samsung is not great with the updates consider that most of the Chinese stuff never gets any update and are never supported by something like CM).
That being said - the Note line is not the main cash-cow, 3-5 million units is very little compared to 50 million units; it is far from zero so it is a pretty lucrative niche, but still not in the first line, and the way I see the evolution of things with Samsung I would expect that S5 mini might get a lot more attention from a certain segment of the market (but that depends a lot on the specs and even more so on the price).

It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.

Robster83 said:
It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.
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Very true. I do miss the size of the smaller phones though. But when it comes to reading and watching media, note is brilliant
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"Skate where the puck’s going, not where it’s been.”
- Wayne Gretzsky

How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.

ShadowLea said:
How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
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IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:

htc9420 said:
IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:
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I hate Windows phone metro style
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ShadowLea said:
How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.
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I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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LiMz said:
I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)

ShadowLea said:
You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)
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iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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LiMz said:
iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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"Skate where the puck’s going, not where it’s been.”
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Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.

ShadowLea said:
Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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Speaker sound is "muffled" that's for sure, and the volume a bit low... Even my previous S3 sounded better, especially when applying the volume increase MOD (Ahhhh... miss the root features, :crying... I know it's too much to ask for apart from all the premium features, but another speaker on the top would have given the sound a great stereo, surround feel

ShadowLea said:
Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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LiMz said:
I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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Dual 4MP, not familiar with that system, but it's still a 1/3.0" sensor. The problem is they make smartphone CMOS from the rubbush left over from the plate they use to make the rest of the sensors. Middle bit of the plate is the best and goes in a Full-frame, next the APS-C, then the lower end DSLRs, then the high end compacts, then the low end compacts, and whatever is left over is used in smartphones.
So even with 100Map ,you'd still get the aquarel effect, blur, noise and colour issues. We're quintessentially dealing with rubbish.
Wait for a few of the serious picture tests, they might give a better indication.

imho the only android device that competes with an iPhone is the Google nexus series . Apple is a lot better than Samsung quality wise , also their warranty is a lot less a hassle , Sammy has lost its way and is actually writing its own version of the communist manifesto.

Despite KNOX and things like cheap plastic, I still like Samsung for many reasons. They will always create products that will fit users need and they will present it that way. For those who are not on note series considers it huge in size, not pocket friendly and so on. But those who have used it knows that this is true class of Samsung and this is to be kept. I have seen many S series users moving away from Samsung but hardly saw anyone from note series to move. This is Loyalty.

Oneplus 5 VS S8+

i think it's so great that the oneplus 5 is so fast compare to s8 .
HTML:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO0kuUXpaPA

Yeah its much faster. Of course that has nothing to do with the fact they are fiddling the benchmarks. Nope nothing at all.

Plus the fact that the OS that runs on the OP5 is lighter than Touchwiz.

the S8 is like the Ferrari of phones and One Plus is like the SSC of phones..

ewokuk said:
Yeah its much faster. Of course that has nothing to do with the fact they are fiddling the benchmarks. Nope nothing at all.
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They are fiddling benchmarks, but it doesn't have anything to do with real world usage. The ONLY area where it has any sort of effect is when running a benchmark application to get a score, no benchmarks are showed in the video. It is a dirty trick, especially when Oneplus was checked for doing it only a couple of months back, and they still continue to cheat their customers unfairly. Samsung did it 3-4 years ago, and have never done it after getting checked for it once back then.
If opening like 20 apps one after one in a hurry (and having them all open instantly when you return to them 10 seconds later) is what matters to you in a phone, then the OP5 is perfect for you. But it simply doesn't have the polished and thought out design that the S8 has, the S8 software is designed to be a smooth continuous experience, while the OP5 software is basically stock Android with tweaks. There is no always on display, no fancy animating wallpapers, no fancy transition animations or themes, it's a bare user experience. I much prefer to have my phone look like an eye candy sitting on the table and have the beautiful syncing infinity wallpaper, over having that small bit of extra performance that only rarely comes in use.
Then the biggest difference, the display. The OP5 bezels on the bottom and top are massive, and I don't think that I could ever go back to a phone with a design like that after using the S8+'s MASSIVE infinity display with tiny bezels. After the price increases to the Oneplus line every year, it's becoming more and more unclear whether it's a flagship killer priced phone, or a flagship priced phone. You could easily get a price discounted S8 for the price of the 8GB RAM OP5 model (which has absolutely no advance over the 6GB model btw, because the amount of background processes is still limited to the exact same amount as the 6GB model to save battery). It of course would have been great to have the extra 2GB of RAM for the S8, but I haven't had a single problem with the amount so far, a lot is still free after having tons of apps open.

No contest, I'd take the S8 over the Oneplus 5 if they were giving it away. A very shady company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

S8+ over OP5:
battery life
screen size
screen resolution
camera
build
ip68
sd card (i am not sure that the op5 has it)
slim bezels
OP5 over s8+:
faster
charges faster
almost stock (for those who prefer stock)
in overall the S8+ is a more compelling choice....it almost has everything you want in a phone....but it's a bit expensive

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I just got a 8 ram 128 G version of OP5 and as I was going back and forth between the OP5 to the S8+ , I immediately put the OP5 down and decided to return it. The OP5 is so backwards in its build, no matter how fast it is (not much more than S8+) the S8+ is too superior in it's overall presence to deny.

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Thank you .

Me too, tomorrow will return op5.
S8 plus is better so far
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Sold my 3t a month ago so I could buy the OP5, missed the pre-sale by a couple hours... Since then have been looking at the pixel XL and s8+ until the official release of the OP5 on the 27th, after consideration and research ordered and s8+ for $600 pre owned. For only $60 more than the 128gb OP5 I was going to get I'll take the more premium flagship (camera and display on the S8+ won me over). My 3t was incredibly smooth and very good at multitasking so hopefully my s8+ will fare as a nice alternative upgrade. However I will miss the custom rom community in the meantime

I would love to buy the oneplus 5, but I'd also love to buy the Xiaomi 6, the Oppo whatever, Next Moto, Lenovo, and LG. Anyway, I admire the 1+ company and am thankful they have made such a positive impact. The back of their new phone simply looks amazing - it's hands down the best back. Better than the Huawei, Xiaomi, Samsung, and Iphone (that it apparently copies). It just looks sexy good. However, I'm not interested because I have invested in the s8+. I simply like that screen. When you engineer something like that, you deserve my hard earned. However, I really hope people still buy the one plus, xiaomi, etc because it always pushes those boundaries. I am so thankful Android exists, otherwise I'd be one of those strange beasts with an unlocked apple ... urggh.

I bounced between the these 2 a lot. I liked the familiar look of the OP5 (physical-ish home button), and I liked the speed and dual camera. On the other end I like the experience that Samsung creates in its devices. I finally settled on an unlocked SD S8+ since Samsung was willing to give me $300 off if I traded in any working smartphone (100 off plus 200 trade in). Now that my order is in limbo (backorder fml), I keep looking at the OP5 wondering if I chose the wrong phone, but with all of the disappointment surrounding it, and all of the exchanges that people are having to make, I'm glad I went with the S8+.

i bet anyone if i took off animations and my s8 plus, i would beat any oneplus in a speedtest. add if i were to doze all apps i would beat it better. those tests are designed to assure higher marks in a test on purpose. give it a month and it will be so laggy, it will be like a rubber band outstretched. wait for it, backup is coming, REVENGE OF THE NOTE 8 COMEBACK.
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galaxyYtester said:
They are fiddling benchmarks, but it doesn't have anything to do with real world usage. The ONLY area where it has any sort of effect is when running a benchmark application to get a score, no benchmarks are showed in the video. It is a dirty trick, especially when Oneplus was checked for doing it only a couple of months back, and they still continue to cheat their customers unfairly. Samsung did it 3-4 years ago, and have never done it after getting checked for it once back then.
If opening like 20 apps one after one in a hurry (and having them all open instantly when you return to them 10 seconds later) is what matters to you in a phone, then the OP5 is perfect for you. But it simply doesn't have the polished and thought out design that the S8 has, the S8 software is designed to be a smooth continuous experience, while the OP5 software is basically stock Android with tweaks. There is no always on display, no fancy animating wallpapers, no fancy transition animations or themes, it's a bare user experience. I much prefer to have my phone look like an eye candy sitting on the table and have the beautiful syncing infinity wallpaper, over having that small bit of extra performance that only rarely comes in use.
Then the biggest difference, the display. The OP5 bezels on the bottom and top are massive, and I don't think that I could ever go back to a phone with a design like that after using the S8+'s MASSIVE infinity display with tiny bezels. After the price increases to the Oneplus line every year, it's becoming more and more unclear whether it's a flagship killer priced phone, or a flagship priced phone. You could easily get a price discounted S8 for the price of the 8GB RAM OP5 model (which has absolutely no advance over the 6GB model btw, because the amount of background processes is still limited to the exact same amount as the 6GB model to save battery). It of course would have been great to have the extra 2GB of RAM for the S8, but I haven't had a single problem with the amount so far, a lot is still free after having tons of apps open.
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THIS REPLY IS THE SANEST LOGICAL RESPONSE TO REALITY.why even compare oneplus to the top dog for now. note 8 is next ad infinitum.
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they are fiddling benchmarks, but it doesn't have anything to do with real world usage. The only area where it has any sort of effect is when running a benchmark application to get a score, no benchmarks are showed in the video. It is a dirty trick, especially when oneplus was checked for doing it only a couple of months back, and they still continue to cheat their customers unfairly. Samsung did it 3-4 years ago, and have never done it after getting checked for it once back then.
If opening like 20 apps one after one in a hurry (and having them all open instantly when you return to them 10 seconds later) is what matters to you in a phone, then the op5 is perfect for you. But it simply doesn't have the polished and thought out design that the s8 has, the s8 software is designed to be a smooth continuous experience, while the op5 software is basically stock android with tweaks. There is no always on display, no fancy animating wallpapers, no fancy transition animations or themes, it's a bare user experience. I much prefer to have my phone look like an eye candy sitting on the table and have the beautiful syncing infinity wallpaper, over having that small bit of extra performance that only rarely comes in use.
Then the biggest difference, the display. The op5 bezels on the bottom and top are massive, and i don't think that i could ever go back to a phone with a design like that after using the s8+'s massive infinity display with tiny bezels. After the price increases to the oneplus line every year, it's becoming more and more unclear whether it's a flagship killer priced phone, or a flagship priced phone. You could easily get a price discounted s8 for the price of the 8gb ram op5 model (which has absolutely no advance over the 6gb model btw, because the amount of background processes is still limited to the exact same amount as the 6gb model to save battery). It of course would have been great to have the extra 2gb of ram for the s8, but i haven't had a single problem with the amount so far, a lot is still free after having tons of apps open.
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me too, tomorrow will return op5.
S8 plus is better so far
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Sold my 3t a month ago so I could buy the OP5, missed the pre-sale by a couple hours... Since then have been looking at the pixel XL and s8+ until the official release of the OP5 on the 27th, after consideration and research ordered and s8+ for $600 pre owned. For only $60 more than the 128gb OP5 I was going to get I'll take the more premium flagship (camera and display on the S8+ won me over). My 3t was incredibly smooth and very good at multitasking so hopefully my s8+ will fare as a nice alternative upgrade. However I will miss the custom rom community in the meantime
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i got my s8+ new on offered up for $500 unlocked version with purchase receipt. but if u really want a deal. u can get urs for $525. using the trading in samsung. head over slickdeals they have a thread all about. u purchase the phone for $525 ($425 for regular s8) when un receive the phone. u ship. back. any old funcionable cell phone. it could be a $10 prepaid phone.

Definitely an appealing phone. Strongly considering ditching my S8+ for it. I just can't get over the bloat, duplicate apps and Touchwiz/Samsung experience. It is better this time around but still just seems extremely excessive. Never had a pure android experience or even remotely near it. Very tempting.

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Definitely an appealing phone. Strongly considering ditching my S8+ for it. I just can't get over the bloat, duplicate apps and Touchwiz/Samsung experience. It is better this time around but still just seems extremely excessive. Never had a pure android experience or even remotely near it. Very tempting.
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I seriously wouldn't bother. The Pixel was supposed to be the fastest experience and pure unbloated lag free time, but it wasn't.
Samsung S8+ (Especially the Xynos version) is the most polished and fastest experience you'll get on a phone, and the op5 camera won't impress.

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I seriously wouldn't bother. The Pixel was supposed to be the fastest experience and pure unbloated lag free time, but it wasn't.
Samsung S8+ (Especially the Xynos version) is the most polished and fastest experience you'll get on a phone, and the op5 camera won't impress.
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I already have. I couldn't decide between the Huawei P10 Plus and the OnePlus 5, so I ordered both with the intention of comparing them to the S8+ and sending back whatever phones don't impress (or since the S8+ is beyond return date just selling it off since it's perfect condition).
The P10 Plus already came, and it beats the holy hell out of the S8 in terms of camera (for my use, anyway). The android experience is as bloated or maybe even more so on the Huawei than the S8, but it has less lag and performance glitches and more of the bloat is removeable along with about an hour more SOT than the S8+ in my usage so far. So the S8+ is already out of the picture. OnePlus 5 should arrive either today or tomorrow. I've heard about issues with the camera, but have also seen that areas it underperforms against current flagships are virtually all in low light (which doesn't matter for my use) and most are patchable things so it's not a total write off to me. Most folks so far seem to prefer it over everything else in daylight unless they're wanting a wide angle, which again, isn't a problem for me. The only huge issue I've seen is a lack of OIS making trouble with 4k video, which I don't use, and it beating out the others using the EIS in 1080 (which I do use).
It's not that the S8+ is a bad phone to me. Just most of the things it has that make it unique are gimmicky. I don't use any of the advanced features, the edge display or the duplicate software. It underperforms in practical use compared to lesser hardware and since I don't use the things that make it unique, I can't justify it.

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I already have. I couldn't decide between the Huawei P10 Plus and the OnePlus 5, so I ordered both with the intention of comparing them to the S8+ and sending back whatever phones don't impress (or since the S8+ is beyond return date just selling it off since it's perfect condition).
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I suppose you already received your OP5. Could you please give your opinion on OP5 vs S8 & OP5 vs P10?

Why so much hate for the 3 XL ?

Wow the Pixel 3 XL is getting bagged and dogged on left and right as if it's the worst smartphone ever made. Yes it could have been designed better for sure. Try to go the more minimal notch like Essential or something, and no bottom chin, do the stereo speakers like the HTC 10, or and the iPhone XS, and Note 9's, do, etc... to allow a more full screen design. Yes give us 6GB RAM.
Mainly in tech forums I keep reading so much hate for the Pixel 3 XL;
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pixel-3-pixel-3-xl.2106788/page-68#post-26666374
And YouTube channels dogging on the phone big time
But I still wouldn't go iPhone, just not an iOS fan whatsoever. And Samsung Touchwiz not my thing either. So if I hate the iPhone, don't like Galaxy phones and the Pixel 3 is sub par, what's the other options? I wish we had a third option, a Windows Surface phone or something.
Oh well, I still have my White Pixel 3 XL on order, and not changing. Yes the notch is ugly, and more RAM would have been nice, but I still value stock Android, updated directly and quickly from Google, and the smooth fluid vanilla UI, and the amazing camera, and A+ rated display, and IP68 rating, and wireless charging. Maybe I'm a sucker, but that's my choice.

Honestly, I didn't even notice the notch when I was checking out the display phone at Verizon. I love the feel of the phone, very well balanced and light compared to my old Nexus 6. Can't wait to get my phone call on Thursday (I hope) to come and pick up my phone.

I think manly they are charging Flagship prices but not delivering on flagship hardware /specs compared to whats already on the market and instead are betting on software to carry them. Now i love pure android how its meant to be not a fan of all tweaks each manufacture adds to the phone, If Samsung offered a note 9 /S9 pure (ie stock android no mods) i think the pixel would be left in its dust. The Pixel's have always seemed to be a generation behind. I love my pixel 2 xl i know i just wanted something more to go with the great feel of stock android and what not. maybe next year, i have my 3 XL ordered and will use it for a week or two to see if its worth the upgrade over my 2 XL

How would I have like to see Google design the Pixel 3 XL? Well on a realistic manner not some unrealistic futuristic design but a realistic version could have been a cross between like the LG V30 shape and size with the minimal bezels but give it the Essential notch and stretch the screen out on the top and bottom. And then do the stereo speakers like on the Note 9 or iPhone so they don't have to be front-facing, and allow for full display with almost no bezels at like 6.2" or so. And give it 6GB RAM. And a bigger 4,000MaH battery.

At the end of the day, for October 2018, I still think FOR ME, the Pixel 3 XL is the best phone out.
- Stock vanilla Android is my bread and butter OS. I go back to owning the Nexus-One when it was new, then waiting in line for the Nexus-S at launch. I just have a thing for stock Android, all other versions of Android just irritate me, or frustrate me.
- Updates first and quickly
- A+ rated display
- Best camera
- Wireless charging now
- IP68 rating is nice
- Phone can easily be rooted, mainly for the best ad blocking and Substratum themes
No other phone right now interests me. The Note 9 or S9+ ? Not at all, no way, Lagwiz still exists no matter what people say. The LG V40, yeah that's cool, but not a fan of the LG skin, and they suck at updates. iPhone XS Max looks super cool, a very beautifully built device, really liked it a lot, but man I hate iOS, and on the XS Max the OS looks out of place, dated like something from a decade ago. OnePlus 6T, yeah will be a great phone, but they always skimp somehow.
Is the Pixel 3 XL the best phone of 2018 ? NO, not at all. But for me a stock Android nerd, it's really the only option.

Yeah if the Iphone XS Max ran android it would be a dream phone lol IMO ... That said i do think the Note 9 Running stock android with all the software options of the pixel 3 would be a great option as well .

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Don't read Mac/Apple websites for reviews on Android devices. They are quite happy being locked into their apple ecosystem and will never appreciate the open source model of a pixel device.

No hate here, just wish the display was LARGER......Note9/V40 temp me with their larger displays......but I can't get away from pure google... C'mon google, 6.5 next year!!!

Why the hate? Did you notice that big black malignancy at the top of the screen? What about specs that are less than impressive? My guess is the answer is right there between those two things. Flagship means flagship, you want to charge this kinda money you need some wow factor and the ability to say you're second to none and have that hold water.
These devices don't give me that vibe. Too me they're like the second toughest guy on the block saying "Look, I can juggle!" As to the former enough has been said about it. I personally found my Best Buy experience to fall between what some said. At points when I was busy manipulating the GUI I forgot about it completely. Any time I stepped back from specific tasks the thing jumped out at me, it was like getting mugged with an ugly stick every timei looked at the phone as an object.
Yeah, I'm stupid so I'm still thinking about buying even though I'm not convinced I won't be sorry.

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I think manly they are charging Flagship prices but not delivering on flagship hardware /specs compared to whats already on the market and instead are betting on software to carry them. Now i love pure android how its meant to be not a fan of all tweaks each manufacture adds to the phone, If Samsung offered a note 9 /S9 pure (ie stock android no mods) i think the pixel would be left in its dust. The Pixel's have always seemed to be a generation behind. I love my pixel 2 xl i know i just wanted something more to go with the great feel of stock android and what not. maybe next year, i have my 3 XL ordered and will use it for a week or two to see if its worth the upgrade over my 2 XL
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I don't agree with this at all. The pixel 3 xl has a Samsung screen which looks amazing (and I bet is par or at least close to what you see on a Samsung phone), it has the latest Quallcom processor, the best cameras and software, same day updates, wireless charging, front facing speakers, I mean, what else does it need to be 'flagship specs' to you? What, because it only has 4 GB of RAM? That's literally the ONLY thing I can come up with, and that's only because many OEM's have stuffed more RAM in their phones this year. And honestly, it's not really necessary, at least not for 90% of people who use smartphones. Sheet, iPhones only have 4 GB or RAM. They only had ONE GB or RAM for a looonnnggg time. No one complained about that.
To me, this is a premium flagship, no question. The hate is mostly the RAM and notch. It's superficial. Last year it was the blue shift. Which, I think that plus the terrible quality control was actually warranted. This year, it's not much to hate on. Either you like it, or don't get it. And you can hide the notch. Either way, I'm excited about it coming today. I LOVE 2 xl, but I'm definitely ready for this upgrade, even though I was very on the fence before I checked one out in the store. My point here is, people are going to hate on something every time. Every time. If you don't like something, don't get it. It's really that simple.
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I don't agree with this at all. The pixel 3 xl has a Samsung screen which looks amazing (and I bet is par or at least close to what you see on a Samsung phone), it has the latest Quallcom processor, the best cameras and software, same day updates, wireless charging, front facing speakers, I mean, what else does it need to be 'flagship specs' to you? What, because it only has 4 GB of RAM? That's literally the ONLY thing I can come up with, and that's only because many OEM's have stuffed more RAM in their phones this year. And honestly, it's not really necessary, at least not for 90% of people who use smartphones. Sheet, iPhones only have 4 GB or RAM. They only had ONE GB or RAM for a looonnnggg time. No one complained about that.
To me, this is a premium flagship, no question. The hate is mostly the RAM and notch. It's superficial. Last year it was the blue shift. Which, I think that plus the terrible quality control was actually warranted. This year, it's not much to hate on. Either you like it, or don't get it. And you can hide the notch. Either way, I'm excited about it coming today. I LOVE 2 xl, but I'm definitely ready for this upgrade, even though I was very on the fence before I checked one out in the store. My point here is, people are going to hate on something every time. Every time. If you don't like something, don't get it. It's really that simple.
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I was simply stating why i think so many people hate the new pixel 3 xl from reading it sure does seem like a lot don't like it.
I agree the screen looks great but it should since they woke up and used a Samsung panel this time yay , my issue with it is its basically the same size as the 2 xl when you look at the usable part of the display and that is kinda disappointing to me i wanted a screen the size of the note 9 / XS max on the pixel 3 xl instead they went with a huge notch that takes away from the phone in stead of adding to it i honestly think they would have been better with out it at all, in person the notch isn't bad at all its big but once you play with it for a bit i didn't notice it as much and i don't mind the bottom chin as people call it since i love front firing speakers always hated cupping the end of the phone to direct the sound lol . They added an extra front camera and notch but no type of face id another missing feature that would have been a great addition to the pixel but we got wireless charging back so i guess its a trade off.
I said nothing about the ram because i think that's a mute point for most for the exact reason you said, apple has had little ram for a long time there is a difference between the two since apple designs the cpu they can help optimize it for the amount of ram they are using but mostly they iOS optimized for how it can handle the ram. google does the same with the pixel, most of the other phones need the extra ram because all the bs they add uses so much of it. for me as of now my daily usage on my 2 XL is 2.4-3.2 or so, 4gb is enough for me in 6 months that may not be the case but i doubt it
everyone has different ideas of what makes a phone flag ship quality or not, so this is just my opinion and you can agree or not for me i feel they could have done better and they came up a bit short compared to other phones only time will tell though and i still cant wait to get mine and use it to see if its worth the upgrade from the 2xl or not for me.

Nah, I don't buy it. Flagship is flagship. Almost flagship if it weren't for one big weakness is not flagship, it's second rate. I'm one of those people that can take advantage of more than 4 gigs of ram, I'm currently using 3.2 at home which is about average for me but usually hit in the upper 4s, lower 5s at work. Go ahead and name the one phone which is claiming flagship status and charging flagship prices but does not have me covered? See where I'm going?
Flagships is flagship, not second best with software optimization that every rooted oneplus will have installed not too far down the road on a phone that costs little more than half the price. Yeah, I'm talking about the camera. Still perhaps best in class overall but more than one reviewer has noted that telephoto shots lag behind other flagships including the fruit devices. They need to up their game here, flagships don't polish turds, they deliver the best hardware and polish that.
One that doesn't bother me in the slightest that I noted is the phones perceived build quality is a step behind Samsung and Apple. I cant point to one particular thing, either of those two just felt a little more expensive. As I said, I don't care because the phone will go into a case and I wont see it again until I give it to one of my kids or grand-kids in the spring.
So yeah, to me it feels like it's not quite up to flagship par except in price. It's all those things combined that give me that impression. And yeah, I'm still thinking about buying it, last night I got as far as putting it in my cart. Pixel has always been more the whole than the sum of its part, they are satisfying to own even if some things about them are underwhelming. The doubletake on the notch has me spooked though, when I was moving around the GUI it faded out of existence but when I just looked at the phone I kept doing this "whoa, what the hell were they thinking" thing. Cant figure out if that's ever going to go away or if it's going to be like a sore tooth. Still, buy in or not I'll never really consider it flagship hardware and every redraw I get will remind me of it should I start to forget.

The flagship price, the poor software utilization of the notch, the smaller battery and 4 GB RAM were the deal breakers.
The Note 9 is every bit as fast as the Pixel 3 XL, has a much better screen, better battery and SPen for the same price. The Pixel 3 XL may very well be a great phone but when priced with the Note 9, it needed SOMETHING to justify the price. Also, one can easily get a great condition LG V35 ThinQ or S9+ with better specs for hundreds less. Once the price drops, then it might be a better competitor.

For me a premium device needs to last me 2 years and be a useful companion for the duration.
The phone needs to be well built to last, have a good screen and the hardware features need to be ergonomic.
In addition to this the phone must have quick, well thought out software that ties in nicely to my favourite services.
For me, my best option is the Pixel 3 XL. I was considering the new Mate 20 pro as it is very similar in price here in the UK but there is now way I'll be putting up with their software and clutterware for two years. I'm also put off by their storage media and awful to uae, curved screen.
The pixel is getting stick for having underwhelming specs but this is a very short-sighted view unless your sole purpose for the device is to run benchmarks. People needs to evaluate what they use their phones for and what they need to achieve that.
I'm running the original Pixel XL 32Gb and it is still fantastic for all of my everyday uses. My wife is in fact selling her Samsung s9 and will be having my Pixel now that I've upgraded to the 3 XL.
Just as a side note, iPhones are brilliant for many as they offer a great experience across their devices and therefore are useful for their duration. This is more important than having a 40MP camera and 8Gb of RAM for the vast majority.

A lot of that was subjective: I find the Apple experience awful, spread it out across more devices and I call that cancer. I have to say however that your concept in general is on the mark in that the experience is what matters rather than the numbers. It's a fair summation.

for the peeps that hate on the notch and the ram .. just go buy the OnePlus 6T and be done with it

It's all just opinion as we have stayed here. The easy to pick on parts of any product is the visual appearance and listed specs. The new pixel XL appears to be poor in this area for a lot of people. Usabilit of the entire package is impossible to judge from online reviews.
If it is anything like the original Pixel, the phone will be great. If it's like my old Samsung phones or my iPhone 7, no thank you.

The phone is what it is. If you don't like it for the way it looks or a feature that it has or doesn't have, don't buy it. If all you have to say is you hate the notch, spare us. There are a lot of phones I don't like. I don't buy them and I don't seek out their communities and complain about them. This forum is here for the people that have the phone, not for those that hate it.

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The phone is what it is. If you don't like it for the way it looks or a feature that it has or doesn't have, don't buy it. If all you have to say is you hate the notch, spare us. There are a lot of phones I don't like. I don't buy them and I don't seek out their communities and complain about them. This forum is here for the people that have the phone, not for those that hate it.
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This! Sooo much this! Last year with the pixel 2 xl, there were so many trolls who had zero intention of ever buying the phone who came onto the forum just to talk sheet. One thread went hundreds of pages. It was ridiculous and stupid. If people like that really have that much time on their hands that they have to go troll things that have nothing to do with them, get a hobby or a life. Seriously. I'm surprised there isn't more yet on here. But, people have only begun to start getting their phones, so, I'm not holding my breath that it won't start.

It still looks like a toy next to any Samsung phones.
My note 9 looks like a monster next to my xl3.
I hate the notch. I'm not those people that will get over it.
I never will.
Anyway, display on xl3 looks great to me.
Camera is amazing.
Anything else

Question P7P is not powerful or efficient at all..

I know that pixels weren't made for gaming, but even the OnePlus sells for less and offers a better chip. And battery on the p7p is mediocre. Not sure if it is just me, but the p7p is just as worse as my p6p. Are you guys satisfied with your P7P or have buyers remorse?
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/google-pixel-7-pro-gaming-benchmarks-are-in-and-theyre-embarrassing

What a ridiculous clickbait article. Dude says that out of the box performance was fine until he maxed out the settings and then it dropped. I mean duh? No **** Sherlock.
Getting tired of these kinds of posts to be honest. Just let us enjoy our phones. We are well aware that you don't like the phone... This is now the second time you have thrown the results from Golden Reviewer's testing in a post and this one is just pure clickbait. We saw the numbers the first time.

My experience has been great so far - frankly I'm not going to let some article outweigh my own personal experience. And if Pixels aren't made for gaming, who in their right mind would buy it for gaming? Of course they'd be disappointed..

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My experience has been great so far - frankly I'm not going to let some article outweigh my own personal experience. And if Pixels aren't made for gaming, who in their right mind would buy it for gaming? Of course they'd be disappointed..
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Right? I think everyone knows the Pixel isn't a gaming focused device but it holds its own regardless. My OnePlus 9... Now THAT phone was an embarrassment for gaming... Even Unity games lagged.

Google isn't trying to build a performance phone. They aren't trying to build a phone that tops the benchmark charts with the fastest chip. They're trying to make a "smart" phone. That is what they are about. That is their niche.
And as far as performance goes, I've never once said to myself while using any Pixel I've owned, "Damn this phone is slow, I need it to be faster. I can't do anything with this thing". Performance is just fine for my needs and expectations.

True, everyone needs to stop reading and trusting articles these days. Check it out for yourself and make your own opinion on your findings.

Honestly I come from a OP 9pro. tmob rooted converted to global, and I have to say it was not a good phone, very glitchy, overheated all the time cam was meh and bat was worse.

These games are all optimized for Snapdragon chips and google falls 5 fps short to the s22 ultra. I call that a win actually

The pixel 7 pro can game just fine, and I'm very happy with it. I came from an oneplus 10 pro and even if the oneplus 10 pro has a faster chip, the Tensor g2 has better cooling and therefore have a more stable performance for a longer period of time when gaming.
And if I'm not mistaken, the snapdragon 888 gen 1 in the oneplus 10 pro, dosent run at full speed by default to avoid thermal throttling.

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The pixel 7 pro can game just fine, and I'm very happy with it. I came from an oneplus 10 pro and even if the oneplus 10 pro has a faster chip, the Tensor g2 has better cooling and therefore have a more stable performance for a longer period of time when gaming.
And if I'm not mistaken, the snapdragon 888 gen 1 in the oneplus 10 pro, dosent run at full speed by default to avoid thermal throttling.
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Yeah the 8 Gen 1 in the OP10P has the X1 core disabled by default. Same for the 888 in the OP9/9P. Meanwhile Tensor G2 packs two X1 performance cores and has no default throttling.

Sounds like pixels aren't meant for you my dude. Return it and go with a phone that'll make you happier! My P7P has fixed my gripes with the P6P and I'm happy. The biggest thing being the modem and heat.

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True, everyone needs to stop reading and trusting articles these days. Check it out for yourself and make your own opinion on your findings.
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I'll keep reading articles (and forums) and use common sense to cut through the chaff.
Seems like a lot of chaff out there (including forums).

I fell into this trap of articles and reviews as well. After a few days of this, I said f***k it, and ordered one today. I'm not a reviewer, I'm just a regular dude, so these "test" don't apply to me in the real world. And at the end of it all, if I don't like the device, I'll get rid of it and get something else.

I'm not doing benchmarks, and I know what to expect from this kind of chipset and I'm happy with P7P. I prefer features what you can do with P7P instead of high benchmark scores.

Playing games on phone is actually weird for me and I don't understand that. For that you have PCs and consoles. And playing games on Pixel? is there a way to say this politely? Probably not. Overall this is great device and I don't have any issue with performance when doing things this device was built for.

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Playing games on phone is actually weird for me and I don't understand that. For that you have PCs and consoles.
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This, 100%.
OP, please stop these kinds of posts and sell the phone if you don't like it. I'm getting tired of seeing all this negativity here.

At first I was hesitant to get the P7P because of the hardware but then I realized that the hardware has little to do with the experience you have with the phone.
You don't buy a car solely because it has the highest number of power. The interior matters, the feel, and also how well it can utilize that power.
I haven't had any performance issues with this phone. Granted, I don't game, but just using the phone there are no hickups or frame drops, everything launches quickly, and it's responsive.
I feel the same about the pixel watch.. Reading all these articles it makes you think that these products are trash and outdated.
Just get the phone and try it out. You like it? Great. You don't? Then send it back.
If the fact of having the newest SoC is important, then these products might not be for you, until they improve.
I feel the same about high refresh displays for example. I'd never buy a phone which costs more than 500€ which didn't have a high refresh display. Yet most people don't care and buy 1150€ Apple phones which still use 60Hz displays.
I don't see as many people complaining about that.

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I feel the same about high refresh displays for example. I'd never buy a phone which costs more than 500€ which didn't have a high refresh display. Yet most people don't care and buy 1150€ Apple phones which still use 60Hz displays.
I don't see as many people complaining about that.
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Yeah, exactly. But they probably don't know, what they are missing. But once you try higher refresh rate, you don't want to go back

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At first I was hesitant to get the P7P because of the hardware but then I realized that the hardware has little to do with the experience you have with the phone.
You don't buy a car solely because it has the highest number of power. The interior matters, the feel, and also how well it can utilize that power.
I haven't had any performance issues with this phone. Granted, I don't game, but just using the phone there are no hickups or frame drops, everything launches quickly, and it's responsive.
I feel the same about the pixel watch.. Reading all these articles it makes you think that these products are trash and outdated.
Just get the phone and try it out. You like it? Great. You don't? Then send it back.
If the fact of having the newest SoC is important, then these products might not be for you, until they improve.
I feel the same about high refresh displays for example. I'd never buy a phone which costs more than 500€ which didn't have a high refresh display. Yet most people don't care and buy 1150€ Apple phones which still use 60Hz displays.
I don't see as many people complaining about that.
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I thought iPhones are 120hz now? Are some models still 60hz?

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I thought iPhones are 120hz now? Are some models still 60hz?
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Only Pro and Pro Max, 14 and 14 Plus have 60 Hz